Marvel Cinematic Universe

Ehhhhhhhh, not saying I'm against it (far from it), but the Disney-Fox deal ISN'T done yet. They still need to get it approved in other countries before they can really go nuts.

Anyway, since they haven't been brought up: Disney CEO Bob Iger talks lots of things, including Marvel things.

Namely:

• He wasn't part of the decision to fire James Gunn since he was on vacation when it happened, but the proposition to fire him was a unanimous decision from executives and he just okayed it.

• But on the upside, he says with certainty that it makes sense for Kevin Feige to oversee the X-Men once they get absorbed into the MCU.

Speaking of Kevin, he's getting the BAFTA's Albert R. Broccoli Britannia Award!

I honestly don't want the X-Men/Mutants to make their way into the MCU.

There's a lot of great characters there, and potential interaction with other heroes in the setting, but thematically, including the mutants and their baggage is going to result in a mess, specially at this stage with a thoroughly established MCU.

Not saying it can't be pulled off. Just that I very much doubt they will.

Sure, but it still makes sense to allow Feige to make the decision how to deal with them. There is already enough of a split between Marvel Studios and Marvel TV, there is really no need to keep another one between Marvel and Fox.

I think that if you want to run with the mutants as a metaphor for the underprivileged, a TV show would be a better place to do that than a film. Films are very event-driven. There's no space to really show day-to-day discrimination because we have two hours to tell the story of the giant super-robots trying to commit genocide against the entire species.

A movie is the story of one BIG THING that happened to the protagonist one time. It's a unique circumstance; an interruption from their day-to-day. A TV show is the story of the protagonist's life; it is their day-to-day.

Conversely, if you don't want to run with the mutants as metaphors and just want them to be a superteam that blows people up with awesome powers... I mean, we already have the Avengers, so I'm not sure what that really adds.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 20th 2018 at 10:10:27 AM

I watched Thor 1 a few weeks ago and just finally got around to watching Dark World again. Man, Ragnarok puts a lot things (mostly regarding Odin) in an interesting context.

Like when Frigga is talking to Loki in prison and asks him about the lives he took on Earth, and Loki tries to deflect by saying, "A mere handful compared to the lives that Odin himself has taken." After finding out that Odin ravaged the nine realms and forced them under his rule, then took their resources for himself...

I genuinely wonder how much Frigga knows about Odin's history. We know from Thor's line about having a half sister in Infinity War that she isn't Hela's mother, so it's possible that she's in the dark like everyone else about Asgard's/Odin's past.

After Frigga's death Odin says that he's willing to spill as much Asgardian blood as it takes for him to get revenge against the Dark Elves. It kind of makes me wonder if Frigga was a Morality Pet for him.

I don't think that Loki really knew all that much about the dark past of Asgard, considering how concerned Odin was with papering it over, but what it certainly puts into perspective is Odin's reaction to Thor's attack on the Ice giants. To him it must have looked as if Thor was slipping away on the same path Hela took.

Well, Hela and he himself.

@Tobias: well, by that argument we might as well not adapt any other superhero team, and I want my Ultimates, damn it!

Really, though, there's a ton of really interesting stories of the X-Men that don't necesseraly need to fit the whole "mutants as metaphor" (which I personally don't think is quite as necessary today as it was back when Claremont reimagined the team). The Brood, Mutant Massacre, Dr Sinister, hell, maybe even a decent adaptation of Age of Apocalypse that doesn't take place in the main timeline, and therefore can show all the awesome stuff in full, like Nightcrawler duelwielding cutlasses!

Edit: I, for one, am against Magneto showing up in a Scarlet Witch series, because that generally ends with Wanda having all of her characterization erased and replaced solely on her relationship with her dad, and the biggest reason I like MCU Wanda is how some of her other stuff is finally being put in the spotlight.

Edited by HailMuffins on Sep 20th 2018 at 1:34:27 PM

I just want to see Rachel Summers show up in some form of animation or tv or movie without being a glorified cameo like she did in the 90s X-Men cartoon. If Feige's the key to that, then let it be.

Edited by Dr.XXX on Sep 20th 2018 at 12:48:07 PM

Frankly, I am not sure why so many people are so obsessed with Wanda being Magneto's daughter. I mean, I get it, it is part of the comics, but, well, there are a lot of things in the MCU which are not part of the comics or have been changed (Bucky being the same age as Steve, Peter Quill's whole origin story including the identity of his father, Jarvis being an AI, pretty much the whole relationship between Thor and Loki, just to mention a few), and most of the time it is for the better.

The question is if it makes sense for the MCU, and I don't think the Mutants themselves make sense for the MCU, unless they are put into a parallel universe. Frankly...this might actually be a good idea. Do a high quality X-men live action show under the control of Marvel Studios. Do it in Harry Potter style and explain at one point that this is a reality in which the Kree never came to earth, hence the mutant gene developed naturally, which in turn wrote the whole history of earth. And if the show is successful, you can announce a huge crossover event for the movie in which the Avengers end up dimension hopping, hence encountering the X-men from another reality.

Edited by Swanpride on Sep 20th 2018 at 10:04:55 AM

It's been my belief for a while that Magneto is an albatross around the Maximoffs' necks

And anyway people are too hung up on the biological parents being the real ones. Even before assorted retcons, Django Maximoff was the dad that raised them

Magneto did shit child rearing but people want him to just swoop in once the twins are grown to be their "real dad"

Fie on that

Hell, the comics retconned away Magneto being the Maximoffs' father. And it's telling imo, that there's more clamouring for him to be a part of the Maximoffs' lives than for him to be with Lorna who is still his biological kid. Why not just stick to the two characters part of the same franchise.

Captain Marvel garnered 109 million views across all platforms in its first 24 hours.

It's also #11 at the all time viewed in 24 hours online list.

Well, not bad. There is certainly interest. Now the movie has to get good wom. Someone mentioned in a comment section that the test screenings for Captain Marvel were positive, but I haven't found a proper source for it, so this might just be a rumour.

Its the principle of the thing.

When Marvel was forcing the Inhumans down our throats they turned the Maximoff's into Inhumans for cheal MCU synergy.

I'm all up for introducing Magneto just to prove you can't pull that bullshit EVER.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 20th 2018 at 10:52:22 AM

The Maximoffs were never made into Inhumans in either the MCU or the comics.

Edited by windleopard on Sep 20th 2018 at 11:01:54 AM

That was just a paranoid fantasy that some people had

In fact, was any non-Xmen mutant besides Daisy Johnson rewritten into an Inhuman?

Axis was where it all started.

I'm not making this shit up.

It's kinda funny because for years Quicksilver was more tied to the Inhumans than he was to mutants

And Wanda had her mutant power replaced by whatever Chthon waned when she was born or is it

Not making what up? What does Axis have to do with anything?

Well Axis revelead that they weren't actually related.

And a later storyline in Uncanny Avengers stated that their powers came from tampering from the High Evolutionary or something like that.

I miss when their powers came from being children of The Whizzer. What a gloriously goofy time.

They've been associated with the High Evilutionary since they had an origin and Wanda's powers were the result of unnatural tampering since said origin

If anything the High Evolutionary kidnapping babies and experimenting on them is more on brand than just helping ditch some babies that his cow midwife let in while he was gone

In any case, I'm pretty sure saying that the Maximoffs were retconned into Inhumans is straight up false.

As long as we're talking, I want to say it's bullshit that Tommy of the retroactive soul babies had super speedy powers instead of density powers

They're retroactive soul babies so genetics don't enter in to it! Why would he have his uncle's powers! One of the soul babies should have had Vision's powers, cowards!