Marvel Cinematic Universe

Except Turk is still a piece of shit human trafficker, so no.

Comic relief or not, Turk is still a dirtbag.

Cottonmouth should have thrown him off the roof, too.

Turk is a dirtbag who gets constantly shat on by the universe, and that's alright by me.

I don't understand the love for Turk when his first scene is him being an accomplice in human trafficking.

Because it's funny watching bad stuff happen to him.

I feel like that scene was a mistake, actually - it doesn't really gel with the more comical portrayal of him in later appearances.

You'd be surprised how often people can enjoy villains and supporting characters (since Turk is in no way a villain any more) who are awful human beings, if those characters are simultaneously butt monkeys and losers who are constantly and righteously shit on by life. Part of the fun seeing those characters constantly get what's coming to them.

I mean, some of the most famous instances of such characters in tv history were the literal Nazis from Hogan's Heroes. People loved Col. Klink. They wouldn't love him if he were in any way successful.

edited 4th May '18 10:01:53 PM by KnownUnknown

Francis Ford Coppola, the director of The Godfather, got to see an early cut of Black Panther[1]. His favorite part was the revelation scene and asked to have the film rewinded to that part upon finishing it.

Dunno if Hogan's Heroes is the best example given it's considered fairly dated now due to said comedy, if memory serves. I could be wrong.

edited 4th May '18 10:34:57 PM by AdricDePsycho

Again, Turk is human garbage, so it's funny and satisfying to watch him get fucked by life at every turn.

I mean, it's funny to see him humiliated constantly but I keep going back to his intro scene and feeling a bit creeped out at the guy. Maybe it's partially from how jarring it is, I don't know.

Klink is a bad example, since his main motivation was always "I don't want to end up at the eastern front" with an occasional bout of ambition thrown in. You never see him being actually cruel to the prisoners and what is there in terms of cruelty is plaid for laughs.

To be honest, I had totally forgotten that Turk was involved in the human trafficking ring...he has been presented as a small time criminal for so long.

Re the article: As usual, clickbait based on someone's else's work. I went back to the source (in this case Variety), and what they actually say is that creating an universe is simply not the answer for every property, but that writers should look for new inventive ways of storytelling. They also talk about Netflix.

But to me the interesting part of the article is that they openly admit that they went through great length to hide details from Infinity war, down to outright lying to the audience. I think we should keep this in mind regarding Avengers 4. They WILL lie to us.

Reading that about Killmonger's mom is really sad, especially since it means that in context what T'Chaka did cost Killmonger not just his father but also his chance at getting his mother back. I wonder if Killmonger knew about that plan.

edited 5th May '18 8:31:38 AM by AlleyOop

Not really. It's one of those sitcoms whose humor everyone continues to reference even to this day. And in terms of premise, the "dashing heroes against inept oppressors/monsters" gag hasn't really gone anywhere - it was popular long before the series started, and it's still popular now.

Sitcoms - especially the popular ones of that time period - don't really get dated in that way, due to the way their humor is endlessly recycled into the humor of series today. Heck, there was a popular cartoon series from my own childhood that recycled the Nazi characters from that series wholesale, but just made them Soviet parodies instead.

And even so, Hogan's Heroes isn't a great example because it's a lone popular show with humor that still gets referenced, it's a great example because it's one of a lot of different portrayals that exemplify the idea: getting away with portraying Nazis by turning them into jokes was extremely popular in the years after WW 2 - and the treatment of the Nazis in that time is in large part a codifier for the concept of "villains who would be monstrous if they weren't hilariously inept" in modern popular culture, because it's the way Hollywood approached attacking them and their ideology.

edited 5th May '18 9:09:47 AM by KnownUnknown

Worth noting is that the plan at the beginning being one to rescue Killmonger's mom means Zuri knew full well he was leaving Erik orphaned when he left to Wakanda.

What a dick.

This guy made a hydraulic Hulkbuster (no spoilers, just a Hulkbuster).

So the other day I watched Ant-Man and...it was fine. Like, "fine" in the way that it's a passable way to spend two hours of your afternoon, but it didn't leave any sort of emotional impact on me. Scott is the best dad in the MCU (although considering his competition, that's not saying a whole lot). Also, Luis is the greatest, and should be on the Avengers. He may not have the skillset that most of the non-powered Avengers do, but he's a lot of fun. Anyway, I'd give it like a 6 out of 10. Fun at times, but pretty forgettable overall.

I put Antman as the limit of Marvel: any movie better than antman is good(not excellet but good) and any other movie worst than Antman is awfull.

For me Ant-Man marks the threshold of separating great from just good or worse. It's very formulaic but nevertheless solid and enjoyable throughout. Any movie that's better than it is amazing, and any movie that's worse than has some kind of major flaw, whether moderate (Thor 1, Iron Man 3, TIH, etc.) or severe (Doctor Strange, Thor TDW, etc).

edited 5th May '18 3:41:54 PM by AlleyOop

Honestly, that even the movies generally considered the bottom rung of the MCU are still pretty decent speaks volumes of the quality control.

I wouldn't particularly call Age of Ultron or The Incredible Hulk decent by any measure of the word.

Age of Ultron is decent, TIH is not. The only MCU movies I would never want to rewatch are Thor 1 and 2 and TIH. Age of Ultron I might consider it.

edited 5th May '18 4:34:32 PM by Sigilbreaker26

Age of Ultron is obnoxious and bloated as all hell, a rewatch is painful. Thor is at least fun. The Dark World, I'd only leave on in the background while I'm listening to an album or something.

I thought Hulk was OK if boring. Ultron was heavily flawed but still had some moments worth watching, as did even Thor TDW. And Doctor Strange was utterly boring to me, but functional as a movie, just very derivative and pointless in light of Ant-Man and the first Iron Man already existing.

I mean they still function on a very basic level. They have severe writing flaws, but they are still competently made. That's more than can be said for a lot of bad movies out there. *cough*JusticeLeague*cough*.

edited 5th May '18 4:37:15 PM by LordVatek