Jurassic World

The Indoraptor would willingly and happily wear Majora's Mask, even knowing full well what it does. Unlike the Skull Kid who didn't seem to know the full extent of the mask's evil, and mostly wore it because he was still upset over the loss of his friends. Because he was an idiot. And didn't try connecting with people who lived in the area after the giants went to sleep.

Making friends is hard when everybody thinks you're an asshole just because you act like an asshole

I'm going to see the movie next week. I get the feeling from all the criticism that I won't have to worry about seats then.

I definitely wish they'd allowed the Indoraptor to not be the bad guy for a change. The first two movies treated the dinosaurs as animals. Then the next two created horror monsters. This one COULD have flipped that mold, painted the humans as THE bad guys, and had the Indoraptor and his heightened emotional intelligence be a vengeful monster killing off the criminals. And then stalking the streets killing and eating other bad guys when he got loose.

Think less a mount for Majora's Mask and more Batman's noble steed. I'm only half joking. They could have broken the mold there.

The raptors were treated as monsters in the first movie

Less than in the books but there's still the definite sense of "fuck you specifically humans"

More monsters than animals. As easy a meal humans make, they still went out of their way to open doors and go on the visitor center to eat people instead of running off into the jungle to make a lot of lesbian babies

Also they left an arm lying around just for a jump scare

They did more than that-they ripped people apart, into enough pieces they were clearly mutilating bodies after the fact, yet not eating most of the bodies. The original batch of 8 raptors were basically serial killers with near-human intelligence.

In the movie?

Sorry, should have specified in the book. The Movie Raptors are basically just exceptional predators with a strong prey drive.

And little to no self preservation

Damn fools attacked a motherfucking T. Rex

They overestimated the strength of their pack, but it's not actually unheard of for large enough packs of smaller predators to team up against a larger one.

To be fair, everything was new to them

Their world experience consisted of humans (edible) and cows in slings (mostly edible)

If you remove the malice ascribed to them, predators are often shy to attack something they don't understand because injury can spell long lingering death by starvation

There's triceratops and brachiosaurus but they're big beefy bastards and a smart predator would go for the known quantity

Clearly they were getting overconfident by the time they met Rexie though

edited 25th Jun '18 5:47:25 PM by Bocaj

Welp, I just read that Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom is performing well at the box office so at least it has got that going for it.

... which is nice.

Yeah, it's safely past its break-even point, marketing included.

It probably wouldn't do as well as the first one though.

Speaking of which, I noticed in the movie that the Indoraptor is like the worst tracker ever, but when I thought about I realized it probably didn't have much training since they just kept it in a cage cattle prodding it.

On a similar note, it never went and hunted down that man they marked in the demonstration. What a useless weapon. In addition to the fact that, you know, in order to give it an order you have to be already pointing a gun at the person you want killed. Seems like there'd be a simpler process at that point.

In fairness in fairness it was a prototype

I wonder why In Gen decided to make the Indorator male.

So they could breed him with Blue, apparently.

Blue is too good for him.

Indoraptor and Blue mating.

...I'm not sure if I should find that amusing, horrifying, or disgusting.

To hell with it, I will do all of them at the same times.

Regarding to the novelization's version of the raptors, here's Muldoon's perspective:

Muldoon worried even more about the velociraptors. They were instinctive hunters, and they never passed up prey. They killed even when they weren't hungry. They killed for the pleasure of killing.

However, the wild raptors in the novel seem to tolerate the humans. They don't attack Grant and the others, and are more concerned of getting on to the boat to the mainland. Even the epilogue hints that though some of the raptors might have escaped, they seemed to focus on crops and livestocks rather than human prey.

The wild pack of raptors in Nublar was more animal like than the eight clones. In Sorna, the wild animals were all insane killers (literally, they had a degenerative disease that killed the older animals so the packs never learned proper behaviors).

The raptors in all of the movies save 3 and the new trilogy were ALWAYS portrayed as monsters.

So the new trilogy is not doing anything the first three movies didn't do with its portrayal of the dinos.

I just saw the new one...

Going to be honest, I thought it was a really dumb movie.

The entire plot premise is done within the first 30 mins and more or less just a first act set up when it could have easily been... well, the entire movie.

I thought Claire's sudden jump to "SAVE THE DINOS" was a bit sudden compared to where she ended last movie. It just seemed... a bit too extreme of a 180 and I was disappointed that there's no reference to her sister's family, even if a throw away line, and nothing about what kind of fallout there was from the first film.

Oh no. A bunch of mercs working for a multi-billionaire. I wonder who the bad guy will be.

Lockwood, you idiot, telling the murderer to pick up the phone and call police himself when you have no way to defend yourself or do anything. Idiot.

Also, Am I supposed to know who Lockwood is??? Forgive me since my memory of the names from the original films are a bit dated, but I couldn't place where he fit into things and it felt like 'Remember The New Guy' to me.

And BOY could I not find a care in the world about the 'cloning his daughter' plot twist. Because it feels dumb, I really have no context for a lot of the things building up to it (The daughter went to the park once but never gets touched upon again, then they mention that the human cloning is what severed the Lockwood-Hammond friendship but we're never given further context, etc). It feels like that plot twist is ONLY in there to justify why the girl will free the Dinos at the end. Because they're both clones. Never mind we could have gotten to the same point on the logic of "I'm a scared little girl watching my favorite nearly extienct animals die and this entire night is already horrifically traumatic to me" and we would be at the same point.

Her being some dead-daughter clone NEVER comes up again. It is only there to inform her choice. That's it. You could cut it and lose nothing.

Never mind I was angrily whispering to just free the Herbivores and you're damn problem is solved.

The characters have to act like COMPLETE idiots and the plot has to bend itself in loops to make the Indo Raptor scary. Bad Guy who collects dino teeth finds a dino he's never seen before in a cage? Got to take that tooth so it can escape. Auctioneer has perfect opportunity to LOCK the cage while the Indo Raptor is feasting on the first guy? Nope! And then the Indo raptor breaks the Elevator but... suddenly appears several floors higher moments later after eating FIVE HUMANS? Gah. Plot, you're trying to make this thing scary and instead you're making your characters look like idiots.

Also the ammount of times that "We're cornered. Quick! Release a dino!" is a solution is dumb. No, you didn't solve the problem. You just made a BIGGER problem.

I don't know how we're supposed to feel about the ending either. The movie feels like it wants me to go 'LOOK AT THE BEAUTIFUL FREE DINOS!' and all I can think of are the hundreds of dead people that'll be popping up because a little girl couldn't watch the most dangerous animals on earth die. Instead of, just, freeing the safer ones?

Wasn't there some plot point that the foliage on the islands were specifically genetically modified to feed the dinos since their food sources died off ages ago and they wouldn't be able to survive on modern flora and fauna? Welp. They're all dead anyway in Northern California!

It just felt dumb. The Volcano killing that last long neck on the dock was the only scene I actually felt emotionally invested in anything.

Lockwood is a new character in the canon, but he is based of the concept of Hammond having a business partner that handled the science aspect when InGen was founded. The two characters take very different paths past that basic premise, so that's probably why they named the new character something else.

I was very intrested in Lockwood and his past history with Hammond and personal reasons for his genetic research so I was really upset when he got killed in the second act. Between him and Marsani, I really wish this new trilogy would stop killing off the rich guys after they are established as likeable and before we get to know anything about them.

About your second to last point no, you are remembering wrong. The animals were not being fed modified plants. They had a problem producing an aminoacid that they insterted into their regulated food supplies, but turns out the herbivores can just forage certain plants to get it, and the carnivores just get it from consuming the herbivores. Them being lose in mainland is not going to affect them at all (also a plot point from the first book, which strongly implied raptors -possibly other species too- were lose in Costa Rica).

edited 26th Jun '18 3:00:44 AM by MrSeyker

So, Lockwood ISN'T a name drop from some previous movie??? Then what the heck was the point of the 'She went to the park once' line and showing the original Visitor Center model? I took that to mean the daughter was someone from the first movie and cue the audience in for people who don't remember. But, then the 'Maisie is a clone of her mother' plot point hit and I realized that wouldn't make sense since, if she was a first movie character, anyone cued in would have caught onto the plot twist way too early.

Well Weekend is over and it's made 150 Million in its opening weekend in north America (Original did 220 Million) confirming the suspected trend of "Will do well, but not as well as the first"