DEATH BATTLE

Does she at least have verbal estimates of her strongest state's power?

Cell's Solar Kamehameha is never demonstrated, but I maintain that the fact that he says he can do it and the half-dozen characters capable of sensing how much power he's putting into his attack never refute the assertion validates that it's totally a thing he can do.

This position is controversial, of course, but it's mine and I'd be willing to apply the same logic to Ryoko if the show ever had an informed character make a statement on what she can do.

Ryo-ohki, who is Ryoko's cabbit Companion she syncronizes with, point blank tanks a multi galaxy destryoing bomb◊.

When any one has 10 Light Hawk Wings, Ryoko included, it is the maximum limit one can use before the entire universe collapses into itself.

Very nice. Yeah, that trumps the shit out of anything 18 can do.

And the Light Hawk Wings are typically associated with her character?

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 12th 2019 at 10:51:24 AM

Ryoko and Ryo-ohki ar edefinitely some fo the strongest mortals in the series.

Above her, however, are not only her mother Washuu, and the other 2 Chousin, but their are The D's who rule over all of dimensional space. Starting from D4- d22, they are 4th dimension-22nd dimensional gods, and the Chousin are hyperdimensional, technically 23rd dimensional gods.

Then there's Kami tenchi, who's the true level of power Tenchi will eventually possess, who's so powerful that the 23rd dimensional chousin are to him as they are to regular 3rd dimensional mortals.

...Yeah, there's a reason the top tiers of Tenchi are some of the most broken fictional characters ever.

Again, nearly everything regarding Ryoko’s full power are hypothetical. It’s stated she can tap into the power of the Light Hawk Wings, but she never actually does it. If we’re talking on-screen teats only, then technically Sasami is one of the strongest characters in the series due to her link with Tsunami.

She literally has a form where she uses the Light Hawk Wings.

You can infer by the other characters that use them that she's in their level of power.

If anyone has seen both Jackie Chan Adventures and Grappler Baki then I propose that Hak Foo fight Yujiro Hanma. On the basis that:

• they're hammy, spiky-haired martial artists with Charles Atlas Superpower
• have beaten a fictional version of a famous fighter
• wrecked the protagonist of their respective shows in their first encounter

Edited by Soble on Jan 13th 2019 at 5:14:58 AM

As I understand it, Yujiro (who is the father of the Main character) is essentially 100% invincible within the universe of Baki isn't he?

He never loses, and seemingly can't lose ever, and every character is trying (and failing) to surpass him, his son included.

Hak Foo is good but he's taken his losses. Observe:

Thank you for sharing Angry Crow.

Hak Foo waffles too wildly and too often between unstoppable Elite Mook and totally stoppable Jobber. Like, when he's supposed to be badass, he's really badass. But then he's simply not when the plot doesn't need him to be.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 13th 2019 at 5:52:13 AM

Yujiro Hanma is one of those characters that can only lose a Death Battle if his opponent was too powerful for him to begin with.

I think Yujiro’s highest feat was stopping an earthquake by punching it.

Though because he’s an Invincible Villain he hasn’t really gone all out aside from getting a little serious with Baki & Miyamoto Musashi.

To be honest, a big problem I have with Baki is that every character, even the irrelevant ones feel like nothing can kill them due to how much punishment they can take. I've had very little reason to see more of Baki after I saw the Netflix anime because of it.

Ya know I think the only character who actually died that’s apart of the main cast in recent memory is Retsu.

And that was in the first Baki-Dou which is the 6th or 5th seiries.

Though he got his leg eaten by Pickle the caveman in Son of Orge, the seiries preceding Dou.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 13th 2019 at 7:57:08 AM

Man, this only makes sense in context because I checked out the wiki page for Baki.

And it's still really weird.

The issue with Baki is that (probably cause of its continuous serialization after over 20 years) its kinda schluging around. The only semblance of an actual story is Baki avenging himself & surpassing his father, & he still hasn’t done it with their only fight ending in Yujiro still beating Baki handily but giving him some props for making him put in some effort for the first time in a while.

Plus Yujiro’s status as an Invincible Villain can be a detriment to the story. He constantly worfs fan-favorite & hyped characters like Olivia or Retsu’s Kaioh Master. It’s not even good worfs, he just makes them all look like bitches which can get insulting if your attached to a particular character & because worfs like that just aren’t fun.

Hell the worfs transfer to other characters. Baki-Dou can be summarized as Miyamoto Musaahi cloned back to life kicking everyone’s asses just like Yujiro does & the second Dou seiries is already doing that with the first sumo wrestler as well. Pickle a frozen caveman brought to life was a subplot in Son of Ogre & the subplot was pretty much everyone gets wrecked by Pickle after picking a fight with him. He even defeats Baki & escapes Son of Ogre unharmed & unbeaten despite eating people’s limbs & actually raping a reporter on live-television with no one able to stop him just because he was too strong.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 13th 2019 at 11:11:42 AM

So, more of the same problem I already had with what I saw on Netflix. Man, I used to think it was good too.

I think it’s recomended you stop at a specific series.

There’s 5 of them, Baki the Grappler, New-Grappler Baki, Baki: Son of Ogre, Baki-Dou, & Baki-Dou II.

I’ve heard you should end with Son of Orge cause the climactic fight is Baki vs Yujiro & even if Baki doesn’t win there’s at least some sense of finality even if it’s unsatisfactory.

I think the recent anime covers the second seiries.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 13th 2019 at 8:54:55 AM

Now that Tenchi Muyo was brought up, how about Ayeka vs Lum Invader? Alien princesses from the original harem anime.

Lum has a lot of the same powers as Ryoko doesn't she?

I know she flies and can electrically shocked people, but I think she also teleports and floats through walls.

Don't quote me on those last two though.

I'm sure Ayeka can't fly; in all the times I've seen her fight Ryoko, she's always been ground based.

True, but I think Ryoko is way too powerful for Lum. Ayeka would be a closer fight. Plus, different skillsets tend to make fights more interesting imho.

Ok. It's been a while. Aeka / Ayeka has force fields, and might be stronger than a normal human (since she fights Ryoko quite regularly, even if the latter mostly holds back), but I don't know what else she has in her arsenal.

Not clear on all of Lum's powers either besides the Electricity and Flight.

A couple Pokemon vs League of Legends matchup ideas...

-Diancie vs Skarner. Battle of the crystalline creatures that have the duty of protecting their kind [going by Diancie's movie characterization]. Plus it has a cute vs cool dynamic going for it, kinda like Yoshi vs Riptor, Pikachu vs Blanka, Raven vs Twilight Sparkle, etc.

-Meloetta vs Sona. Elegant, green haired music based fighters, one relying on musical instruments, the other on singing.

The thing about Aeka, at least the time we see her fight Kagato in the OVA, is that she cannot take a hit worth a damn. Kagato basically force-pushes her away at the start of the fight and it knocks her out, and a single blast from Kagato later in the fight manages the same, and it’s one she manages to block with a force field.

It's really just that. And I don't remember her flying very fast, either (I think she may have kept up with a flying motorcycle at one point, but it's been a while since I've watched the show).

On the other hand, even if Urusei Yatsura isn't an action Anime, it is filled with slapstick cartoon physics, and a running gag in which that over-the-top violence is taken literally. For example, Shinobu's habit of throwing heavy objects at perverts is treated in-universe as a feat of super strength. Similarly, Ataru's ability to shrug off those heavy objects is treated in-universe as a durability feat, to the point that his classmates freak out when he shows up in class with a bandaged arm ("Is there even anything in this world that could break his arm!?").

So it's possible that Lum might have some sort of crazy feat somewhere in there.

Heh. Didn't think of this one.

• Daisy Johnson from "Agents of SHIELD" vs Emma Swan from "Once Upon A Time."

spoilers for both shows

• orphans who grew up to be better people than their parents
• both owned by Disney, and both reinterpretations of the source material in some way (Daisy's ethnicity and parentage, Emma being the daughter of Prince Charming and Snow White)
• both discovered some incredible power that turned them into a powerhouse (Daisy becomes an Inhuman, Emma accepts that she is the Savior)
• Both were the subject of a prophecy (Daisy destroying the world, Emma freeing Storybrooke)
• first thing Dark Emma did was petrify someone; Daisy's powers came about after she was petrified by an alien device/chrysalis/The Diviner
• raw science vs raw magic
• both involved in a relationship with their show's antagonist (Grant Ward, Kilian Jones) who later underwent a Heel–Face Turn (Framework Ward, Kilian being Emma's love interest)
• both became evil and gained a Fan Nickname (Crazy Daisy, Dark Swan)

And funny enough I lost interest in both of these shows around their third seasons.

Edited by Soble on Jan 15th 2019 at 8:01:07 AM