I thin we should include characters who aren't so much disliked as they are uncared about, but if we start to include characters that fans actually like, then the trope would encompass any time any character ever was praised.
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The trope isn't about praising in general. It's about continuous or frequent praising. It the trope was just about characters praising other characters, it would be People Sit On Chairs, whether it were restricted to Wesleys or not.
edited 16th Sep '11 9:53:00 PM by Insignificant
Wouldn't it be more out of place praising than continuous praising?
What do you mean by "out of place praising?"
edited 16th Sep '11 10:28:23 PM by Insignificant
Well, it's naturally to say that someone's an ace pilot right after they land or whatever, right? So not shilling, even if it happens a lot. Just... annoying, most likely.
When I think of shilling it's more like the established characters start talking about how awesome someone is without having a really good reason as to why. They may even be able to back it up, and it might not be too jarring, just that we're hearing a lot of praise for someone we have not seen in action.
This trope is currently defined as "praising characters the fanbase hates." "Praising characters for no reason" would be a whole different trope entirely.
edited 16th Sep '11 11:33:45 PM by Insignificant
Well, we're planning to remake it in some way or another to be about general Character Shilling are we not? Or is that going to be done separately? Having two shilling tropes seems pointless.
Bumping for a few more votes.
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I don't see an option for "cut the blasted thing" so it is hard for me to decide how to vote. I tend to be against any trope that claims to speak for "the fandom".
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Well, we should probably get more votes. The lead option is at a closely contested +2, which isn't very good.
Looks like "rename and redefine" is starting to get a significant lead - gonna bump this so it can get some more votes.
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Based on the conversation in the thread for The Wesley [1]
, I came up with an alternative proposal. Merge the two tropes and rename the combined trope Creator's Pet. It can encompass the full aspects of both tropes, since we seem to have agreed that it's hard to have a Wesley that isn't shilled in some way — it's part and parcel of the concept.
Then we can make a separate trope for Shilling A Character or whatever.
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Yeah, I should have mentioned that I added it. My bad.
edited 20th Oct '11 12:19:42 PM by Fighteer
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It looks like a new crowner option was added for that, for anyone who wasn't posting in the thread.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
This looks like it's ready to call.
Might want to hold off a bit on calling this one — it's tied to the crowner for the The Wesley TRS thread, and that one is new.
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The crowner is 18:4 for merging. We'll call this tomorrow afternoon assuming no change.
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Calling at 19:4. Locking the crowner. Let's start working on the merge. We need an updated definition for Creator's Pet and someone to go through all the duplicate examples. Volunteers?
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Added: I created a Sandbox article for Creators Pet and trimmed out a lot of extra text in the description, while adding the requirement that he be talked up by the other characters.
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I think we have to remove the quote, which lampshades Executive Meddling and scrappiness but not the Creator's Pet. Apparently, the creators dislikes that scrappy as much as fans did.
It's also hard to defend the picture as anything more than a face with a caption.
Crown Description:
Shilling The Wesley is supposed to be about shilling characters that are reviled by the fanbase (hence the trope's name containing a reference to The Wesley), but it is misused to mean shilling any character, hated or not. Related: The term "The Wesley" is character-based and is not in common use as we define it. TV Tropes is, in fact, the originator of the term as we use it. Note: The TRS thread and crowner for The Wesley are here
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^ As I understand it, being a Wesley requires that the character be important to the plot or have large amounts of story-focus, while Shilling the Wesley is when characters in the work make remarks that Wesley is a great guy. Thus, it should be possible to have a wesley who is not being shilled (by the definition of the trope).
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