Naruto

An alternate step 1 is having Sakura accomplish fucking anything during the Wave Arc.

The thing about Naruto's interest in Sakura being based in rivalry with Sasuke never made sense to me, because there's nothing differentiating Sakura from anyone else in his mob of unrequitedly-pining fangirls.

Seriously, knock it off with your 'rewriting the manga' hyperbole. You're being incredibly reductive and ignoring my points.

But we see that those things didn't enable him to master the Rasengan.

After the two year time skip, he still can't use the Rasengan one-handed.

After the Sage training, he still can't use the Rasengan one-handed. So neither of these improved his chakra control enough for it, and then we don't really see him train his chakra control until he just does the one handed Rasengan against Obito.

Edited by Saiga on Jul 5th 2018 at 7:02:48 PM

No, I'm answering your points. You are simply not engaging with what's in the manga to create a fallacious argument.

Neither of those are true so I am done arguing with you.

Good. Saves me the trouble of refuting it.

You weren't really doing a good job of refuting it in the first place snake.

We can agree to disagree on that. Won’t really alter that no actual facts were being presented against my points.

No there were examples & facts, you just keep saying its all bullshit.

Such as the fact Naruto is never seen or mentioned to be working on the Rasengan & only ever uses it right when suddenly in a powered-up state completely unrelated to mastering the Rasengan.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 5th 2018 at 2:13:36 AM

No. I was answering with specific examples. Saiga was just ignoring entire arcs of the manga. Claiming “but super modes” ignores the entire training arc to get them and what they entailed. Also ignores the hard work during that training.

So sorry but not seeing where there were good counters there and saying ‘reductive’ doesn’t improve an argument.

I mean we see Naruto working on a rasengan during the wind training. And in Sage Mode. Like explicitly.

Edited by Lightysnake on Jul 5th 2018 at 2:20:55 AM

Naruto is basically the equivalent of a ninja cram student.

He works hard but only in specific moments & every other time he slacks off until he’s forced into another time-constrained scenario.

That type of “hard work” is not the good kind.

His interest in Sakura just being part of his rivalry with Sasule was a The Last movie retcon. It was never a thing before then.

The first chapter she shows up in is all about Naruto being jealous of Sasuke and disguising himself as him to talk to Sakura. Sasuke was the thing between them from the beginning.

I think that's a good characterization of him when he's 12. He's not really shown slacking when the Chunin Exams get going. In the FRS arc, the Pain arc and the Kyuubi control arc he trains his ass off.

Nah he stays pretty samey, he just has the benefit of a lot of individuals telling him when to train & how too as well as events happening close to each other that it appears he’s always training.

Hidan & Kakuzu Arc: Naruto you need new jutsu, here’s how you can use shadow clones to do things quickly.

Pain Arc: Hi Naruto nice to meet you as a result of Jiraiya’s death, would you like to train under me?

War Arc: Naruto since your gonna be bunking with Killer Bee for the time being because of the war it be fucking moronic if you don’t take pointers from the guy on how to control your tailed beast.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 5th 2018 at 4:14:34 AM

Yeah, but he's not slacking off in between those. He's usually on missions or improving otherwise. He takes some downtime, but that's not exactly unreasonable.

Yeah, but why disguise himself to talk to Sakura specifically rather than Ino or mob girl #3, who are also crushing on Sasuke in the face of his utter indifference? He was mooning over her before teams were announced, so it can't be that she's the only one on Sasuke's team.

Frankly, I don't know why he couldn't have just had a crush he moved on from without splattering the Sauce all over the issue.

Because the Sauce is all consuming. The Sauce is, by far, the most important part of the show, the lore, the characters, the plot, the artwork, the music, your life, absolutely everything.

The Sauce is Love. The Sauce is Life.

The Sauce is an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us; it binds the galaxy together. The Sauce must flow.

I’m now reminded of that Adult Swim commercial about the sauce that everybody loved so much it caused the apocalypse.

I see no issue here. He was never a "book smart" kind of guy, so it's a good thing he had guys like Kakashi and Jiraiya around to guide him along. And crises tend to facilitate more urgent training.

..Been a while since I've been in the Naruto thread. I've put this video in a bunch of other threads, and this is the last one (because it's probably a bit much):

I gotta say, I expected him to say worse about the series, but he kinda sums up my feelings in the end. Naruto started strong (if not imperfect) but stumbled hard at the end. Due to my massive bias in the series, I'm not exactly an impartial judge on the issue, but his talk about Rock Lee is spot on I'd say.

Let's instead talk of how Orochimaru confirms in Bolt he's been male, female, and non-human.

We saw literally all of those to didn't we?

People have assumed in other places it doesn't count when he makes them his meatsuit.

And tbh the only nonhuman thing he's possessed was Zetsu since he referred to it as otherworldly.

I mean he was a writhing mass of snakes wasn't he?