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* When this troper first heard of [[spoiler:Fritz's Red Riding Hood Curse]], they were confused as to how it translated to [[spoiler:Varg being an obedient servant to the witch who cursed him]]. After all, if it was just an obedience spell, couldn't they have just used it on [[spoiler:Fritz]] in the first place instead of just going to the trouble of cursing him?
** The curse ''was'' how they were using it on Fritz. [[spoiler:There were some things, like helping his father overthrow the king, that he rebelled against doing so strongly, that they had to draw out his negative traits and create a JekyllAndHyde situation to get him to obey. The goal was that Varg would eventually suppress Fritz and be all that remained.]]
** The curse ''was'' how they were using it on Fritz. [[spoiler:There were some things, like helping his father overthrow the king, that he rebelled against doing so strongly, that they had to draw out his negative traits and create a JekyllAndHyde situation to get him to obey. The goal was that Varg would eventually suppress Fritz and be all that remained.]]
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* When this troper first heard of [[spoiler:Fritz's Fritz's Red Riding Hood Curse]], Curse, they were confused as to how it translated to [[spoiler:Varg Varg being an obedient servant to the witch who cursed him]]. him. After all, if it was just an obedience spell, couldn't they have just used it on [[spoiler:Fritz]] Fritz in the first place instead of just going to the trouble of cursing him?
** The curse ''was'' how they were using it on Fritz.[[spoiler:There There were some things, like helping his father overthrow the king, that he rebelled against doing so strongly, that they had to draw out his negative traits and create a JekyllAndHyde situation to get him to obey. The goal was that Varg would eventually suppress Fritz and be all that remained.]]
** The curse ''was'' how they were using it on Fritz.
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** It's not totally clear if Rod really knew that the tenebrarum bearer had the power to lift curses. Personally, this troper here thinks that he simply didn't know how much powerful the tenebrarum bearer was. [[spoiler: The way he got so sad when Lucette begged him to accept her help and then he outright told her that there was nothing she could do to save him, it makes me think that he was unaware about the bearer's powers.]] Still, if he really didn't know that, we have to wonder why Parfait didn't tell him about it, since she knew the conditions of his curse. But this troper here thinks it's more likely that Parfait simply didn't tell him about it than the idea that he simply gave up despite being aware of the bearer's powers.
* In some routes Delora tells Lucette that the original purpose of the fairytale curse was to help teach humans how to be better, and it was actually a benevolent action to help them EarnYourHappyEnding, just using Hans' stories as window-dressing. However, in different routes Delora and Parfait will instead tell Lucette that as soon as the fairytales were published witches were immediately hunted and [[spoiler:Hildyr]] then created the fairytale curse to punish humans. So which is it?
* In some routes Delora tells Lucette that the original purpose of the fairytale curse was to help teach humans how to be better, and it was actually a benevolent action to help them EarnYourHappyEnding, just using Hans' stories as window-dressing. However, in different routes Delora and Parfait will instead tell Lucette that as soon as the fairytales were published witches were immediately hunted and [[spoiler:Hildyr]] then created the fairytale curse to punish humans. So which is it?
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** It's not totally clear if Rod really knew that the tenebrarum bearer had the power to lift curses. Personally, this troper here thinks that he simply didn't know how much powerful the tenebrarum bearer was. [[spoiler: The way he got so sad when Lucette begged him to accept her help and then he outright told her that there was nothing she could do to save him, it makes me think that he was unaware about the bearer's powers.]] powers. Still, if he really didn't know that, we have to wonder why Parfait didn't tell him about it, since she knew the conditions of his curse. But this troper here thinks it's more likely that Parfait simply didn't tell him about it than the idea that he simply gave up despite being aware of the bearer's powers.
* In some routes Delora tells Lucette that the original purpose of the fairytale curse was to help teach humans how to be better, and it was actually a benevolent action to help them EarnYourHappyEnding, just using Hans' stories as window-dressing. However, in different routes Delora and Parfait will instead tell Lucette that as soon as the fairytales were published witches were immediately hunted and[[spoiler:Hildyr]] Hildyr then created the fairytale curse to punish humans. So which is it?
* In some routes Delora tells Lucette that the original purpose of the fairytale curse was to help teach humans how to be better, and it was actually a benevolent action to help them EarnYourHappyEnding, just using Hans' stories as window-dressing. However, in different routes Delora and Parfait will instead tell Lucette that as soon as the fairytales were published witches were immediately hunted and
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** It's not totally clear if Rod really knew that the tenebrarum bearer had the power to lift curses. Personally, this troper here thinks that he simply didn't know how much powerful the tenebrarum bearer was. [[spoiler: The way he got so sad when Lucette begged him to accept her help and then he outright told her that there was nothing she could do to save him, it makes me think that he was unaware about the bearer's powers.]] Still, if he really didn't know that, we have to wonder why Parfait didn't tell him about it, since she knew the conditions of his curse. But this troper here thinks it's more likely that Parfait simply didn't tell him about it than the idea that he simply gave up despite being aware of the bearer's powers.
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** It could completely depend on what route you choose as to what the truth is. Viorica's wedding date and whether or not Hildyr can be resurrected at all also change depending on the route.
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** It could completely depend on what route you choose as to what the truth is. Viorica's wedding date and whether or not Hildyr can be resurrected at all also change depending on the route.route.
** This troper here thinks that the fairytale curses are an specific type of curses, but there are other curses beside the fairytale ones. These other curses existed before the witch hunt.
** This troper here thinks that the fairytale curses are an specific type of curses, but there are other curses beside the fairytale ones. These other curses existed before the witch hunt.
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** Lucette was 13/14 when her mother died, though all the flashbacks show her no older than ten or so. We know Hildyr tampered with her memories a lot. It's very possible Lucette is just not clearly remembering what happened around that time.
** WordOfGod says that the timelines run differently in each route.
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* In some routes Delora tells Lucette that the original purpose of the fairytale curse was to help teach humans how to be better, and it was actually a benevolent action to help them EarnYourHappyEnding, just using Hans' stories as window-dressing. However, in different routes Delora and Parfait will instead tell Lucette that as soon as the fairytales were published witches were immediately hunted and [[spoiler:Hildyr]] then created the fairytale curse to punish humans. So which is it?
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** Likely he didn't want to make her feel guilty about it and felt it was "too late". Plus he wasn't telling people about his curse. It's also possible it would be impossible to tell Viorica, be it Rod himself or anyone else. Rod never ''does'' directly tell anyone that he'll die. The Mermaid was never able to tell the Prince who and what she was, after all. It would at least somewhat explain the odd choice to give him the Mermaid's Curse and taking his voice (which is never noted to be espeically remarkable), rather than giving him a curse based on a different fairytale.
* In some routes Delora tells Lucette that the original purpose of the fairytale curse was to help teach humans how to be better, and it was actually a benevolent action to help them EarnYourHappyEnding, just using Hans' stories as window-dressing. However, in different routes Delora and Parfait will instead tell Lucette that as soon as the fairytales were published witches were immediately hunted and [[spoiler:Hildyr]] then created the fairytale curse to punish humans. So which isit?it?
** It could completely depend on what route you choose as to what the truth is. Viorica's wedding date and whether or not Hildyr can be resurrected at all also change depending on the route.
* In some routes Delora tells Lucette that the original purpose of the fairytale curse was to help teach humans how to be better, and it was actually a benevolent action to help them EarnYourHappyEnding, just using Hans' stories as window-dressing. However, in different routes Delora and Parfait will instead tell Lucette that as soon as the fairytales were published witches were immediately hunted and [[spoiler:Hildyr]] then created the fairytale curse to punish humans. So which is
** It could completely depend on what route you choose as to what the truth is. Viorica's wedding date and whether or not Hildyr can be resurrected at all also change depending on the route.
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* Why didn't Rod just ask Viorica to push her wedding back until Lucette's 18th birthday passed? I mean, sure, it'd be embarrassing to admit the nature of his curse but surely Viorica wouldn't mind holding back the wedding a couple days if it meant her childhood friend wasn't going to die. I could understand early on, if he thought Lucette simply wouldn't care to break his curse once she was able, but after her CharacterDevelopment it should have been the obvious solution.
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* Why didn't Rod just ask Viorica to push her wedding back until Lucette's 18th birthday passed? I mean, sure, it'd be embarrassing to admit the nature of his curse but surely Viorica wouldn't mind holding back the wedding a couple days if it meant her childhood friend wasn't going to die. I could understand early on, if he thought Lucette simply wouldn't care to break his curse once she was able, but after her CharacterDevelopment it should have been the obvious solution.solution.
* In some routes Delora tells Lucette that the original purpose of the fairytale curse was to help teach humans how to be better, and it was actually a benevolent action to help them EarnYourHappyEnding, just using Hans' stories as window-dressing. However, in different routes Delora and Parfait will instead tell Lucette that as soon as the fairytales were published witches were immediately hunted and [[spoiler:Hildyr]] then created the fairytale curse to punish humans. So which is it?
* In some routes Delora tells Lucette that the original purpose of the fairytale curse was to help teach humans how to be better, and it was actually a benevolent action to help them EarnYourHappyEnding, just using Hans' stories as window-dressing. However, in different routes Delora and Parfait will instead tell Lucette that as soon as the fairytales were published witches were immediately hunted and [[spoiler:Hildyr]] then created the fairytale curse to punish humans. So which is it?
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* Why didn't Rod just ask Viorica to push her wedding back a few days until Lucette's 18th birthday passed? I mean, sure, it'd be embarrassing to admit the nature of his curse but surely Viorica wouldn't mind holding back the wedding a couple days if it meant her childhood friend wasn't going to die. I could understand early on, if he thought Lucette simply wouldn't care to break his curse once she was able, but after her CharacterDevelopment it should have been the obvious solution.
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* Why didn't Rod just ask Viorica to push her wedding back a few days until Lucette's 18th birthday passed? I mean, sure, it'd be embarrassing to admit the nature of his curse but surely Viorica wouldn't mind holding back the wedding a couple days if it meant her childhood friend wasn't going to die. I could understand early on, if he thought Lucette simply wouldn't care to break his curse once she was able, but after her CharacterDevelopment it should have been the obvious solution.
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** The way this troper understood it was that it was less about Varg being magically inclined to obey, and more about Varg being a version of Fritz with a moral compass that would match his father's plans. Basically in every route but his own, Varg rebelling against Mythros/Alcastor was actually his ''Fritz'' personality seeping through. The difference in Fritz/Varg's route that causes his full HeelFaceTurn is that Lucette manages to reach ''both'' personalities.
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** The curse ''was'' how they were using it on Fritz. [[spoiler:There were some things, like helping his father overthrow the king, that he rebelled against doing so strongly, that they had to draw out his negative traits and create a JekyllAndHyde situation to get him to obey. The goal was that Varg would eventually suppress Fritz and be all that remained.]]
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** The curse ''was'' how they were using it on Fritz. [[spoiler:There were some things, like helping his father overthrow the king, that he rebelled against doing so strongly, that they had to draw out his negative traits and create a JekyllAndHyde situation to get him to obey. The goal was that Varg would eventually suppress Fritz and be all that remained.]]]]
* Why didn't Rod just ask Viorica to push her wedding back a few days until Lucette's 18th birthday passed? I mean, sure, it'd be embarrassing to admit the nature of his curse but surely Viorica wouldn't mind holding back the wedding a couple days if it meant her childhood friend wasn't going to die. I could understand early on, if he thought Lucette simply wouldn't care to break his curse once she was able, but after her CharacterDevelopment it should have been the obvious solution.
* Why didn't Rod just ask Viorica to push her wedding back a few days until Lucette's 18th birthday passed? I mean, sure, it'd be embarrassing to admit the nature of his curse but surely Viorica wouldn't mind holding back the wedding a couple days if it meant her childhood friend wasn't going to die. I could understand early on, if he thought Lucette simply wouldn't care to break his curse once she was able, but after her CharacterDevelopment it should have been the obvious solution.
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** The blurb for the game describes that it takes place "Four years after the end of the Great War and the loss of (Lucette's) mother", pretty overtly suggesting that the great war itself only ended around the time Hildyr 'died'. That in itself begs the question of how on earth the kingdom managed to pull itself together so well in those short four years but it means Hildyr wasn't sitting around years after the war doing nothing.
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** Agreed, certain routes seem to take place over longer amounts of time than others. Specifically, the first three take place and end just ''before'' Lucette's 18th birthday, while the unlockable routes stretch past it. However, they all seem to start at the same time.
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** I thought it was just that how long time passed depended on the routes.
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** I thought it was just that how long time passed depended on the routes.routes.
* When this troper first heard of [[spoiler:Fritz's Red Riding Hood Curse]], they were confused as to how it translated to [[spoiler:Varg being an obedient servant to the witch who cursed him]]. After all, if it was just an obedience spell, couldn't they have just used it on [[spoiler:Fritz]] in the first place instead of just going to the trouble of cursing him?
** The curse ''was'' how they were using it on Fritz. [[spoiler:There were some things, like helping his father overthrow the king, that he rebelled against doing so strongly, that they had to draw out his negative traits and create a JekyllAndHyde situation to get him to obey. The goal was that Varg would eventually suppress Fritz and be all that remained.]]
* When this troper first heard of [[spoiler:Fritz's Red Riding Hood Curse]], they were confused as to how it translated to [[spoiler:Varg being an obedient servant to the witch who cursed him]]. After all, if it was just an obedience spell, couldn't they have just used it on [[spoiler:Fritz]] in the first place instead of just going to the trouble of cursing him?
** The curse ''was'' how they were using it on Fritz. [[spoiler:There were some things, like helping his father overthrow the king, that he rebelled against doing so strongly, that they had to draw out his negative traits and create a JekyllAndHyde situation to get him to obey. The goal was that Varg would eventually suppress Fritz and be all that remained.]]
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* Is it multiple past or something? In Fritz path, the birthday comes a lot sooner than in any other routes.
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* Is it multiple past or something? In Fritz path, the birthday comes a lot sooner than in any other routes.
** I thought it was just that how long time passed depended on the routes.
** I thought it was just that how long time passed depended on the routes.
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** Fridge brilliance if that means she lost the war, became weak just like Parfait does, then planned her revenge through Lucette. Her last act is powering the crystal in order to be revived again.
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** Fridge brilliance if that means she lost the war, became weak just like Parfait does, then planned her revenge through Lucette. Her last act is powering the crystal in order to be revived again.again.
* Is it multiple past or something? In Fritz path, the birthday comes a lot sooner than in any other routes.
* Is it multiple past or something? In Fritz path, the birthday comes a lot sooner than in any other routes.
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* The war seemed to end while Lucette is still a child yet Hildyr only 'died' four years ago. Does that mean she just lost the war and do nothing for years, except preparing Lucette to be her obedient daughter?
** Fridge brilliance if that means she lost the war, became weak just like Parfait does, then planned her revenge through Lucette. Her last act is powering the crystal in order to be revived again.
* The war seemed to end while Lucette is still a child yet Hildyr only 'died' four years ago. Does that mean she just lost the war and do nothing for years, except preparing Lucette to be her obedient daughter?
** Fridge brilliance if that means she lost the war, became weak just like Parfait does, then planned her revenge through Lucette. Her last act is powering the crystal in order to be revived again.
