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Neutral characters that have an optimistic and kind-hearted personality, and being presented positively in nature.

This work is a proposed Trope, Tropers can vote and offer feedback in the comments section below.
Proposed By:
ChocolateElemental on Nov 28th 2018 at 12:14:09 AM
Last Edited By:
ChocolateElemental on Jan 4th 2019 at 10:34:32 AM
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Neutral characters that have positive personality traits can be polite, fair, forgiving, optimistic and even peaceful in nature, even though they are still neutral in terms of morality. They do, however, have certain other neutral traits besides positive ones, but the positive traits usually overshadows the neutral personality traits.

In comparison to neutral characters who have a serious personality set, they are introduced on a positive note, whereas serious neutral characters are the direct opposite, or just introduced apathetically. But like any other neutral character, they prefer not to take any side during conflicts. Instead, they'll try to peacefully end them, or else they will become more threatening to everything else. Characters of this trope also tend to not judge people rudely at all, unless they've been treated in a bad way.

Moreover, neutral characters of this trope tend to not take provocation lightly at all, as they will indeed turn against those that do. Still, they maintain holding positive personalities in one hand, while holding any one of the neutral alignments in the other. Lastly, this trope can also fit with neutral characters that have multiple personalities (namely having a rude side and a kind-hearted side) can tend towards this, especially neutral characters that Took a Level in Kindness for whatever reason.

In terms of limits, neutral characters who became kind-hearted can qualify for this trope, but if they become part of either of the good alignments at the same time, they wouldn't fit here. Moreover, the neutral character of this trope mustn't be a Wild Card character, otherwise they won't technically fit here, since this mainly focuses on the ones that don't take sides during a conflict, instead, they only try to help put a peaceful end to both sides.


Anime & Manga

  • In Bleach we have Kisuke Urahara. In terms of personality he has an optimistic and kind-hearted persona which he can use as not only his charisma, but to also use it for good customer service. The Elephant in the room however, is that his alignment is technically Chaotic Neutral. At the time he was trying to help Rukia, he is truly responsible for causing the Soul Society conflict to begin whenever he had decided to insert the Hogyoku inside of her, due to the fact on how potentially dangerous it is, thus getting himself exiled from Soul Society. Despite his past questionable actions, he's still a valuable ally to Ichigo Kurosaki and Rukia Kuchiki.
  • Zeno from Dragon Ball Super qualifies as this. He is depicted as being kind-hearted, happy, playful and cute in nature, though he's actually responsible for erasing universes, despite having various good reasons for doing so, even though he isn't a proclaimed fighter.
  • In Fullmetal Alchemist, Truth is a monotheistic deity of the entire omniversal realm, and also predates all of creation. While it was responsible for creating and ruling absolutely all kinds of realities as a whole, it punishes both good and evil individuals once they violate the laws of alchemy and/or the universal laws. However, it is known to be fair and infinitely kind-hearted as well. This was proven when Edward Elric successfully "defeats" Truth by simply letting up alchemy as he does have friends, which Truth is happy about, guides Edward to the exit, and politely leaves Edward forever.
  • We have the most iconic character from Elfen Lied, named Lucy. To summarize her traits, she has multiple personalities, such as her cold side, but the most dominant one is her optimistic personality. While she is an anti-heroine and also a psychotic combatant, she still remains neutral due to the fact her split personalities have separate codes of morality.


  • In Marvel Comics we have the Chaotic Neutral Deadpool, also referred to as Wade Winston Wilson. In terms of his personality, Wade is openly optimistic in nature and he is a professional at breaking the fourth wall, and he's also a comedic character at best.


  • From Forgotten Realms, the Luminous Being/Dungeon Master can also be an example of this trope, as he is a monotheistic deity who is not just only all-cold, but he's also all-forgiving, and all-kind-hearted at the same time, which is quite unusual for a personality trait. Even though he's a monotheistic god, he's responsible for enforcing laws upon all of creation in the omniverse, which makes him a neutral character.
  • Fate/strange fake has Flat Escardos, a cheery magus who happens to be the Master of Jack the Ripper. He tries to keep civilians out of the crossfire, holds his teacher in the highest esteem, and wants to make friends with every Servant of the Holy Grail War. His Idiot Savant tendencies combined with his unusually nice demeanor are so unnerving to the magus community that his own parents tried to murder him for it. At the same time, his neutrality and ambivalence towards concepts of "good" and "evil" are considered disconcertingly alien. The only reason why he hasn't done something amoral is because of his adherence to the values instilled in him by Lord El-Melloi II.


  • In Star Trek: The Next Generation we have Jean-Luc Picard, who is a Lawful Neutral captain of the U.S.S. Enterprise. He is normally portrayed as a serious individual, however he's kind-hearted enough when he's not doing his job at all.

Western Animation

  • In Winx Club we have Sibylla, a purely neutral Fairy who doesn't take sides in matters of morality. At the same time, however, she's actually the most polite of all of the Fairies and is a really fair individual. The reason why she's neutral is the fact that she is the embodiment of justice, meaning she wouldn't technically join the side of good or evil at any time.
  • In My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic, we have Chancellor Neighsay. Ever since the beginning of the eighth season of MLP: FIM, he was portrayed with a racist personality towards non-pony races, but as of episode twenty six, he had Took a Level in Kindness after proven how wrong he was about non-pony races being dangerous threats to Equestria if they ever use friendship against it as he had stated at one point. He genuinely apologizes to Twilight's students, also explaining that non-pony individuals are capable of learning about friendship, even if the process is slow in terms of their understanding.
    • Next up we have Discord, who is a chaotic deity that decides to wreck havoc throughout Equestria. In the past he was Chaotic Evil, then right up to the point of being Chaotic Neutral, at least after being freed a second time. At this stage, he was not technically rude as he was originally, but he still uses his powers like a child's plaything from this point going forward.
  • The Justice League version of Amanda Waller starts off as a ruthless individual (though that doesn't change the fact that she's neutral) who makes sure that her country is kept safe and stable. Like her mainstream counterpart, she views both evil and good as assets, which in its own term, meaning she views both sides as equal. Overtime however, she had Took a Level in Kindness during the episode Epilogue, where Terry had decided to interrogate her about Bruce Wayne being his genetic father. After he learnt the truth that Amanda Waller is the true mastermind at the time she tried to create a new Batman, Amanda herself had comforted him, stating that while she did do certain actions that are considered immoral just for the sake to keep the country safe, she actually committed benevolent ones too.

Indexes: Morality Tropes

Feedback: 42 replies

Nov 28th 2018 at 12:42:22 AM

Looking better! I'd say that the description may need some tweaks though, such as where you describe neutral characters as "amoral" (which is different from being uninvolved in conflict) and the entire first paragraph is...very weirdly written. I know what you're going for, but you could take it out and not really change anything at all.

Nov 28th 2018 at 2:01:16 AM

Some Word Cruft, too.

I'd like to edit those out but I don't have the time currently

Nov 28th 2018 at 2:24:18 AM

  • Capitalized the title so the proposal can be launched properly.
  • Changed multiple examples of poor grammar throughout the proposal to correct English, including a comma splice.
  • De-capitalized (Monotheistic Deity).
  • Corrected punctuation (added missing commas).

What work is the Tabletop Games example from?

Nov 28th 2018 at 3:00:10 AM

OP Chocolate Elemental: As you can see from my edit reasons above, you have serious problems with English, including grammar, punctuation and capitalization. The moderators of TV Tropes require tropers to use proper English. If you add any new material to or edit an existing TV Tropes page, you should assume they will suspend you from editing. Your only chance to avoid being suspended is to post all such edits and additions on the Get Help With English Here thread for proofreading first, until you learn proper English skills.

Nov 28th 2018 at 3:59:47 AM

Neutrality Is Positive makes it sound to me like An Aesop that you should never take sides to get ahead in life, because "positive" does not just refer to personality, but also to moral judgment. Since the laconic speaks of "optimistic and kind-hearted personality", how about using the term "nice" instead, because it is more strongly associated with personality? A title like Neutral Nice would not only be short and alliterative, it would also play off similar trope titles, like Neutral Good, Neutral Evil, Omnicidal Neutral, etc.

Nov 28th 2018 at 3:37:35 AM

Many thanks for the help everyone.

Nov 28th 2018 at 8:17:29 AM

Fate Strange Fake has Flat Escardos, a cheery magus who happens to be the Master of Jack the Ripper. He tries to keep civilians out of the crossfire, holds his teacher in the highest esteem, and wants to make friends with every Servant of the Holy Grail War. His Idiot Savant tendencies combined with his unusually nice demeanor are so unnerving to the magus community that his own parents tried to murder him for it. At the same time, his neutrality and ambivalence towards concepts of "good" and "evil" are considered disconcertingly alien. The only reason why he hasn't done something amoral is because of his adherence to the values instilled in him by Lord El-Melloi II.

Nov 28th 2018 at 4:09:16 PM

Uh, that trope doesn't seem to exist.

Nov 28th 2018 at 6:53:34 PM

Yes, it was Koveras's suggestion for a name. It hasn't been used yet, which means you could use it for this draft.

Nov 28th 2018 at 8:49:36 PM

Well, if we're leaning to "neutral side guys who's nice" then I'm gonna go with "Neutral Nice" as well.

Nov 30th 2018 at 3:50:24 PM

Uh, how come there's no hats or bombs?

Nov 30th 2018 at 3:58:15 PM

'Cuz people just don't think it's ready to launch but also don't think it should be discarded?

Dec 1st 2018 at 11:43:31 AM

Hmm. Okay, Zero's example is confusing, you talk about how kind and sweet and neutral he is...but then explain that he's destroyed several universes in a fit of rage. That doesn't sound kind by any stretch of the definition- I'm sure he's a neutral figure, but kind people usually aren't associated with an awful temper, unless it's a Beware The Nice Ones situation, but that isn't how the example reads if that is the case. A handful of other examples also read like shoehorns where you're trying to convince the audience they fit the trope even if they aren't actually all that kind.

Fix these examples, either by rewriting them to better prove they're examples or remove them, and I'll give a hat- at the moment, though, you're not ready.

Dec 1st 2018 at 6:24:22 PM

^ From what I can get, Zeno's usually nice unless someone angers him - and he (IIRC) wouldn't get easily angered. Someone messing with 6 universes at once is definitely a bad thing and logically would anger him, the Top God. That someone - Zamasu - can't be killed unless the universe(s) that he controlled get destroyed, so it's an unavoidable thing.

The example focused a bit too much on him destroying 6 universes, though.

Dec 1st 2018 at 6:44:59 PM

^ Yeah, I'm not saying he (or other examples) don't fit, but they have to be rewritten if they do.

Dec 3rd 2018 at 12:29:08 AM

War Jay, I just want to let you know that I have changed the Zeno example, but can you please clarify the other examples that need to be fixed?

Dec 3rd 2018 at 6:05:49 PM

The Lucy example doesn't quite explain how she's neutral (not wanting to go on rampages when she isn't provoked does not make a character neutral, just... well, not a crazy person). It also only claims she's optimistic, instead of, well, kind.

The Luminous Being seems to fit, but I don't see how being "all cold" has anything to do with the trope. Might it be a holdover from the last draft?

Chancellor Neighsay spends the entire non-spoilered portion of the example describing him as a racist, and only describes his kinder traits in the spoiler. I also don't see how he's neutral, all you talk about in the example is him being an asshole who eventually turns kinda nicer and isn't mean to everyone he meets.

Dec 3rd 2018 at 10:03:46 PM

Live-Action TV

Dec 5th 2018 at 10:19:38 AM

It should be noted to all people that whenever you want to add a bomb or hat, it should be advised to explain your reasons why. Just to give you all a heads up.

Dec 5th 2018 at 10:25:29 AM

Aye, I'd like for hat/bomb reasons to be required, but alas...

In any case, I'm not sure why you accepted the Riverdale example? It doesn't explain how Veronica is neutral, just that she's nice... And I can see you tried to fix Chancellor Neighsay, but it'd be better to rewrite it entirely to make it more concise.

Dec 5th 2018 at 2:23:50 PM

Would that be better, I just rewrote it as of now.

Dec 5th 2018 at 3:59:31 PM

^^ Veronica doesn't count. She isn't a bystander and at least tries to do some good. (She recently put her ass on the line for Archie vs. her dad.)

Dec 5th 2018 at 5:27:50 PM

Still poor form to hide the relevant information behind a spoiler, but maybe it can't be helped.

Dec 6th 2018 at 7:49:19 AM

Alright, I've removed the spoiler tag.

Dec 18th 2018 at 10:47:13 AM

Regarding the update, I'm thinking I should bring up a problem I've noticed- one that isn't caused by the update but makes me feel I should mention it.

This is too broad. I don't know if that's really the proper word for it, but it's all I can really think of at the moment, so bear with me. It's just... this is too inclusive. For example, you had accepted the Riverdale example before we asked you to remove it, and that was just sort of... "a character is nice". In some of the examples I'm still not super seeing how the character is neutral or how they're nice without you having to explain in painstaking detail how and why they fit, which shouldn't have to happen (of course we need context but there's a difference between adding sufficient context and having to spend the whole time explaining why a character does indeed fit the trope). There just doesn't seem to be any line where you say "this doesn't fit".

Dec 18th 2018 at 1:28:39 PM

But that Riverdale example was removed, so why still bother? Is there other problems that should be mentioned? But, TBH with you, I don't see the issue with overly specific detail, it's a tool to add more quality, not just make it worse.

Dec 18th 2018 at 5:54:08 PM

Its not about adding more detail but about why you need to add detail. Tell me; are you explaining everything the way you are because you just want to, or because you want to justify adding characters who could very easily be called mean or non-neutral?

Tropes are flexible, but they aren't unbreakable. They need limits.

Dec 18th 2018 at 11:03:54 PM

^^ There's such a thing as "bogus context", you know.

Dec 19th 2018 at 2:29:12 PM

So what can I do to make it better?

Dec 19th 2018 at 6:08:39 PM

You need limits, and you need to be able to identify which characters are and are not within those limits. What those limits are is up to you, but you need to set a standard for what "nice" and "neutral" actually means in this context and how nice and neutral the characters have to be. In my opinion characters who were once jerkasses and the like should not be allowed unless their new nice side is VERY nice, but it's up to you- there just has to be a limit SOMEWHERE.

Dec 20th 2018 at 1:25:14 PM

Another question I should ask, now that you put the limit focusing on how the character absolutely must be neutral... what does neutral in this context mean? See, the issue with alignment is that some of it can be pretty subjective. Neutral can mean anything from "a Wild Card who plays both sides" to "someone who just doesn't get involved in the conflict". In a Slice Of Life like MLP, what makes Chancellor Neighsay neutral?

Dec 24th 2018 at 2:37:03 AM

There we go, updated the info again.

Dec 24th 2018 at 7:59:46 AM

^^ From the updated description, neutral here means "someone who is outside of any "sides" of the conflict, who may or may not try to end it peacefully".

Dec 24th 2018 at 10:47:39 AM

A'ight, good to see the update, looking better.

Jan 2nd 2019 at 12:52:31 PM

I think I have to recreate this trope again, since the number of bombs are making this look undesirable.

Jan 3rd 2019 at 3:08:18 PM

You know what might help? Walking away from this idea for just a bit and contributing to other TLP drafts. You can learn a lot about what makes a good and bad draft through getting experience helping other people with their own drafts, which might be the best idea at the moment because as hard as you've been working on this draft you still don't seem to have a full understanding of the situation— which can very easily be fixed through doing what I just suggested.

Jan 4th 2019 at 8:01:18 AM

OK then. I'll leave it for now. But I have another trope planned however, and this time it's associated with quality, known as Quality Redemption. To basically put it, this YMMV-only trope is about quality in some poorly done things that has been upgraded to good quality. This trope is not a concept at all, it's an already existing one, since it happened to company-brand items, various TV Shows alike, films, video games, and the list goes on.

Most of all though, I just want to say that I'm trying to listen to your feedback and trying my hardest to create trope articles, but I am a bit saddened that some of my tropes didn't see the light of day. I mean, I was listening to your feedback, but I feel like I've failed miserably. My only complaint with this site though, is that adding trope articles is like a voting ground, and it doesn't operate like any normal wiki. Unlike Wikipedia and the Fandom Wikia sites that allow you to add articles freely, this site is the total opposite sadly, and I'm mainly pointing out the problem with the TLP feature. I mean, while I sort of understand that it's made to prevent poorly made articles being added, it's honestly bit of a let down.

As far as I'm concerned, we already have an article deletion option here as far as I'm concerned, so, is that not enough to work with? Don't get me wrong though, I do like this wiki, but I just wish that this site would change to a much better standard like the Wikipedia site and the Fandom Wikia site have in common.

Jan 4th 2019 at 10:18:59 AM

Well, this wiki operates entirely by consensus to be sure that we have the best possible articles; see, the TLP wasn't always a requirement, it was an optional but recommended path to making tropes. Unfortunately the tropes that come without being sent to the TLP tended to be very weak and in desperate need of the Wiki Magic the TLP provides, if they didn't need automatic Trope Repair Shop action or an outright cut instead.

I won't pretend the TLP isn't broken as all hell, there are so many problems with it, but it being required isn't one of them- honestly the system is broken in the way that low quality articles can still make it through for various reasons, which is the opposite of why the TLP exists at all.

That said, the only articles that require TLP are trope and administrivia ones. Work pages and subpages for said works are a free launch, that is, you don't need the TLP to make them.

Make no mistake though, the TLP is extremely helpful- browse through some discarded drafts and see the sort of things that would've been tropes if the TLP didn't need to exist.

Jan 4th 2019 at 10:34:32 AM

Or, to put it another way, the TLP is a drafting and perfecting platform where people can iron out and build up trope ideas, or clean out any bad ideas. It's less a vote and more just a way to make sure our new tropes are good, with the help of the community.