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4	* AdaptationDisplacement:
5	** Although X-23 was first introduced in ''X-Men: Evolution'' and the series continues to have a sizable fanbase, her comics iteration is by ''far'' better known, and tends to influence most other AlternateUniverse versions. For example, her depiction in ''Film/{{Logan}}'' draws significantly from ''ComicBook/X23InnocenceLost'' and ''Target X''.
6	** As an extension of that, most mainstream audiences are more familiar with the character as a Spanish-speaking child over the white teenage girl/young adult woman in the comics. This also extends to the nature of the character herself, with many filmgoers surprised to see her deep hesitation towards killing, which is a direct contrast to the film version, though this is consistent with Laura's upbringing as a remorseless killer who only learned humanity after escaping the facility.
7	* BaseBreakingCharacter: Much like her [[ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} father]], Laura has generated a bit of divisiveness among the fanbase.
8	** Some readers view her as a CreatorsPet, claiming that whenever an X-book is taken over by Christopher Yost and/or Craig Kyle, X-23 is promoted to a lead role at the expense of other characters (in Kyle's case, this is not entirely unfounded), and because she's also often considered an A-List character rather than B- or C-List as is the case with most teenage heroes. Some ''New X-Men'' fans in particular accuse her of leading to Wind Dancer being written out of the series so Laura could jump in and take her place as Hellion's {{Love Interest\|s}} at the same time Yost and Craig took over. Defenders will point out that while X-23 eventually ''did'' eventually develop as a romantic interest for Hellion, her stint in the book also began with her on the receiving end of a fair amount of bullying on his part (particularly over her being a clone) so she didn't really "jump in" and replace her (although Hellion does bully basically everyone not in his clique, which included Wind Dancer). Additionally, defenders will point out that other characters still received a substantial amount of focus during her time in the book, particularly Surge, Pixie and Mercury.
9	** [[LegacyCharacter Laura's taking on the Wolverine name and cowl]]. Readers are starkly divided between those who love the idea and those who hate it, with almost no one in between. Supporters generally find it a natural development of her character, and put Laura forward as the most appropriate choice of all the potential candidates. Those against it tend to vary more widely: those who prefer for Laura to stand on her own merits and fear her unique personality will get lost or overwhelmed as Wolverine, those who hate the concept of Legacy Characters in general with no particular opinion one way or another on ''who'' is taking on the role, many who would rather Logan just be brought back to life, those who would have preferred another character (such as Daken, Sabretooth, or even Old Man Logan), and those who just flat-out hate her character altogether.
10	* BrokenBase:
11	** Laura's evolution from ''ComicBook/{{NYX}}'' to the present as led to divisions among the fanbase. While many have embraced her development as an example of one of the few characters in the Big Two who have ''actually'' undergone real and lasting CharacterDevelopment — from a virtually feral youth and introverted killer suffering from depression and esteem issues, to an emotionally and socially functional woman capable of forming relationships, and who has evolved into TheCape (despite still being willing and able to kill when she has no other choice) — others argue that this development takes away from what made her X-23 in the first place, and want to see a return of her ruthlessness as a killer, and her darker and troubled persona, sometimes arguing in favor of [[ShooOutTheClowns killing Gabby]] to make it happen. There's also some middle ground with calls for a more balanced approach; allowing Laura to have grown and developed, but bringing back her darker traits (such as her goth look) and making her kill more readily.
12	** Additionally, how she's been handled by her major writers has proven a specific point of contention.
13	*** Some fans are strictly of the opinion OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight, and treat [[WordOfGod Craig Kyle]] (and to a lesser extent his frequent writing partner Chris Yost) as the only ''true'' depiction of the character. However Kyle is just as frequently accused of making her a CreatorsPet, and has drawn some criticism for attempting to control a character he hasn't written for over a decade (see below).
14	*** Marjorie Liu's writing has proven polarizing, with some declaring the character peaked during her run. Others dismiss her presentation as dry and emotionless, unfavorably declaring her depiction as "Robo-Laura," with very little middle ground.
15	*** [[ComicBook/AllNewXMen Bendis and Hopeless]] receive the most consistently negative response; with Bendis accused of making her just another generic teen superhero, while Hopeless' handling of her relationship to Warren and making her the "Wolverine" of the team[[note]]by which he means a snarling BloodKnight charging into fights without thinking ahead first[[/note]] has been sharply criticized. They do have some defenders (with Bendis often of the DamnedByFaintPraise variety of "At least he isn't Hopeless") but are largely shouted down by the detractors.
16	*** The response to [[ComicBook/AllNewWolverine Taylor's]] writing may be the most divisive. Although most found him an improvement over Bendis and superior to Hopeless, others dismissed him as continuing on the track of making her just another generic young woman or worse, "Logan With Boobs." Some felt Taylor did an admirable job bridging Liu's depiction with character development into a healthier and more emotionally stable young woman. Others that he ignored or dropped the darker elements of her personality entirely and coddled her too much. He's also been accused of CharacterShilling at Logan's expense. Some readers argue that his depiction of Laura is just ''boring'' and lacks any sort of distinct personality to set her apart, and object to him resolving many of her ongoing plots, such as killing Kimura and ridding her of the Trigger Scent. Others found both stories were already played out and were due to be done away with, anyway, and that Laura needed to grow past her withdrawn and depressive period.
17	*** The only writer who has so far avoided much of this debate has been Tamaki, but only because she spent less time with the character in a run that has been largely dismissed as SoOkayItsAverage. Most of the divisiveness of her run depends on whether readers enjoyed Taylor's depiction, since Tamaki's book is often viewed as simply a continuation of ''All-New Wolverine''.
18	** Craig Kyle remarking on Twitter he intended for Laura to come out as gay quickly proved divisive among the fanbase, and hasn't relented since.
19	*** Some take WordOfGod exactly as it is: If her creator says it, then it's so and everything else is wrong (especially as Kyle himself stoked such a response by claiming it to be the "true story"). However others point out that WordOfGod is not as important as what's actually on the page, referring to other author intentions that never came to pass.[[note]]IE, Claremont intending Sabretooth to be revealed as Logan's father.[[/note]] Furthermore, Kyle had not written X-23 for over 10 years by that point, and the character is owned by Marvel, leaving the level of control Kyle ''actually'' has over her identity significantly in doubt.
20	*** While some readers have used this as fuel for subtext in scenes such as Jubilee drinking Laura's blood, others have pointed out that Kyle never actually wrote such scenes himself. The only romantic development he ever wrote for her was with a male, and no groundwork was ever actually laid supporting such a direction was ever planned. Contrast this with the outing of Northstar, which was a part of his characterization from his first appearance.
21	*** Others have argued against Kyle's remarks as a case of TrollingCreator, due to the context of other negative comments he made about her character development around the same time[[note]]IE, his general disapproval of her taking on the name Wolverine, or responding to Laura learning she shares Sarah's DNA with a [[ComicBook/CerebusTheAardvark Dave Sims]] panel sharply criticizing how the major publishing houses "steal" characters from creators and develop them in violation of their wishes[[/note]] as an attempt to gain some measure of control over the character by enlisting the fanbase to pressure Marvel.
22	*** In some cases the debate has reached [[UsefulNotes/LogicalFallacies strawman]] levels, with accusations being leveled that anyone objecting to Kyle's remarks — ''whatever'' the reason — are simply homophobic on one side, while on the other it has been taken up by the similar Comicsgate-style attacks against diversity in general.
23	** The reveal that there where two Laura"s Talon who is the original Laura who was trapped thousands of years in the vault, and her younger clone who has the memories and personality of Laura before she enter the vault. To start well there our some fans of the paring her relationship with Synch has been controversial . With many fans criticizing it for coming out of no where since they barely knew each before going into the vault,and since talon life know seems to revolve around synch with her seemingly no longer caring about any of her friends or family from her previous life. With some fans going as far as to say that talon exist solely to be synch girlfriend. The way young Laura has been written is controversial also. Well many fans like her more relaxed and laid back attitude other critzie it for departing to much from her characterization in previous arcs featuring Laura with her being meaner, more brodding , and a nastier person. With some going as far as to say that she is basically just a female Logan.
24	* CrackPairing:
25	** With ComicBook/SpiderMan. There's a large group of people on Website/FourChan who thinks they're cute together.
26	** Also with ComicBook/TheIncredibleHulk, mainly due to a scene in the ''VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom3'' intro where [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doarx57Leyg he catches her]] after she's thrown across the room by ComicBook/{{Magneto}}.
27	** The cover to ''All-New X-Men'' #20 (see BrokenBase above) takes full advantage of {{Rule 34}} and {{Rule 63}} to add fuel to the fires over the popular [[HoYay Wolverine/Cyclops]] CrackPairing. Their actual chemistry on-panel only contributed to its popularity over the ultimately canon relationship with Warren.
28	** The reveal that Laura and "Kid" Cable will be starring in ''[[ComicBook/DawnOfX Fallen Angels]]'' together has already sparked shipping for many of the same reasons as Laura and Teen Scott.
29	* CreatorsPet: It's ''very hard'' to argue that she is not this to creator Craig Kyle. He has even gone on the record referring to himself as an "overprotective mother" of her in interviews, and almost every X-Men thing he's ever written heavily features her (the exception is ''Amazing X-Men'', because that team was directly opposed to the team Laura was on at the time). Furthermore, Kyle has not been hesitant when it comes to criticizing developments he doesn't agree with, (such as Laura taking on the Wolverine name, or retcons establishing that Laura shares Sarah's DNA) or attempting to wield WordOfGod about her character to establish himself as the only one who knows her "true story."
30	* CriticalDissonance: Although Laura taking on the Wolverine mantle makes for a BrokenBase among readers (including the character's own fans), critical reception to the debut issue of ''All-New Wolverine'' has been universally positive.
31	* EnsembleDarkhorse: The first X-Man after ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} to have her own page on this site (and one of the few to have her own series). Even when she joined the New X-Men, she was easily the most popular character. For a while, she was the ''only'' X-Man with her own page, but now ComicBook/{{Storm\|MarvelComics}}, ComicBook/{{Cyclops\|MarvelComics}}, ComicBook/{{Dazzler}}, ComicBook/XMan (and ComicBook/{{Magneto}}, if you count him) have gotten in on the act.
32	* {{Fanon}}:
33	** Before they gave her the name Laura in the comics, some WesternAnimation/XMenEvolution fanfic writers would give her many different names, different from fic to fic. Some still do. Also, as it was never stated in the show, many speculate as to whether she has metal bones or not (she doesn't in the comics due to never taking the full Weapon X treatment, but in the show she was shown to).
34	** Although not stated in the books at the time, it became incredibly popular among fans to explain Laura's StrongFamilyResemblance to Sarah being as a result of Sarah using her own genetic material to repair the damaged DNA samples, thus making her Sarah's ''genetic'' daughter as well. While this theory was refuted by WordOfGod, [[spoiler:''Adamantium Agenda #4'' ultimately made it AscendedFanon.]]
35	** Another popular one is to connect ''Wolverine'' #80 with X-23 as either the first mention or outright appearance, because the villain of the book holds up a vial labeled "Logan X," with a second label reading "23." Thus, the argument that Laura first appeared as a material sample a full ''ten years'' before she was actually created by Kyle and Yost. This is a particularly dangerous one, as it's frequently used by speculators to drive up their sale price for an otherwise insignificant issue of that series because of the value of "first appearance" issues. As with the above about her connection to Sarah, this one is refuted by WordOfGod, with Kyle directly cautioning fans to avoid the issue.
36	* FandomRivalry:
37	** Fans of X-23 have begun developing one with fans of ComicBook/OldManLogan. Although it initially began rather one-sided, with Old Man Logan fans often disparaging of X-23 and ''All-New Wolverine'', X-23 fans were generally neutral or enjoyed both characters. However this has recently shifted, with X-23 fans viewing Old Man Logan as undermining Laura's role as Wolverine by getting much more focus by writers in events, and outside the X-Men books in general. The fact that Logan will be appearing in ''three'' team books and his solo under [=ResurrXtion=], while Laura only has her solo, has only further fueled the resentment.
38	** One is also intensifying between fans of Laura and Logan Classic, particularly those who want him back and resent her taking on the cowl, for whom ''any'' insinuation that Laura may be superior in some way (whether in ''or'' out of universe) serves as a BerserkButton leading to them lashing out.
39	** A strong cross-continuity rivalry exists with fans of [[ComicBook/Batgirl2000 Cassandra Cain]]; both characters have very similar in-universe backgrounds and skill sets, and [[UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny "Versus"]] threads between the two inevitably get ''very'' heated.
40	* FanNickname: Still referred to more often than not as Girlverine to this day, for [[RuleSixtyThree obvious reasons]]. Even ''more'' now that she's taken the Wolverine name on herself. The latter has also given rise to X-Verine.
41	* FanWank: A throwaway panel in ''Wolverine'' #80 (1994) features a scientist holding a test tube labeled #23. It's ''incredibly'' popular to twist this into being Laura's ''true'' "first" appearance in the books, despite the fact it predates her creation by Kyle and Yost by a decade, has ''nothing'' to do with the process for how she was originally created in-universe, is outright {{Jossed}} by her origin book, ''and'' isn't acknowledged by Marvel itself. Nonetheless, it doesn't stop it from popping up every now and then on Wikipedia (at which point it immediately gets removed).
42	* HilariousInHindsight:
43	** Laura dating Teen!Warren becomes this when you remember that, during her earliest appearances in ''Uncanny X-Men'' under Claremont, Laura is frequently shown aping ComicBook/{{Psylocke}}'s mannerisms in the [[FunnyBackgroundEvent background]]. Lampshaded by ''[[http://40.media.tumblr.com/cf23cc1fdc11df10db5701ff466785e2/tumblr_o0rspybXCP1sp1wslo1_1280.jpg Waiting For The Trade]]''.
44	** In the 2011 episode of ''WesternAnimation/TheSuperHeroSquadShow'', "Too Many Wolverines!", one of the Wolverines is X-23 dressed in the classic Wolverine suit. Fast-forward to 2015 when Laura [[LegacyCharacter takes up the Wolverine mantle]]...
45	** In 1990, Marvel introduced a character called “Wolverina”, a female equivalent to Wolverine who presented herself as his long lost cousin, in the satirical ''What The..?'' series. She was a parody of WolverinePublicity and the trope of long-running male superheroes being paired with younger, DistaffCounterpart sidekicks (i.e. ComicBook/{{Supergirl}} and ComicBook/{{Batgirl}}). Fourteen years later...
46	* IKnewIt: ''Hunt for Wolverine'' confirms the long-held theory that Sarah Kinney contributed to Laura's genetic makeup, making Sarah and Logan Laura's biological parents. This also explains why Laura has a different eye color than her supposed genetic template.
47	%%* LauncherOfAThousandShips: The girl ReallyGetsAround in the fandom considering she's only barely had an official relationship in the books.
48	* MyRealDaddy: Craig Kyle and Christopher Yost created her, but didn't introduce her to the Marvel Universe (she's a CanonImmigrant), putting her in the hands of Creator/JoeQuesada and later Creator/ChrisClaremont, probably with the intention of invoking this trope; when it didn't work, they started writing her themselves. While their take was seen as superior to Quesada's and Claremont's and laid groundwork on the character, it still had its share of problems. It was Marjorie Liu's run on Laura's solo title that definitely did a lot to make fans like a character that had previously (often derisively) been called Girlverine and Mary Sue.
49	* OlderThanTheyThink: A year before Laura Kinney, there was Avery Connor, also a teenage OppositeSexClone of Wolverine with his healing factor and fighting ability, but not his Adamantium claws. She appeared first ([[OneEpisodeWonder and only]]) in Creator/GregRucka and Creator/YoshitakaAmano's picture-novel ''Elektra & Wolverine: The Redeemer''.
50	* PanderingToTheBase: At least according to the people on one side of the BrokenBase, who view the X-23 character with more than a little bit of scorn. A blatant RuleSixtyThree character with a past somehow even ''more'' traumatic and convoluted than Logan's sounds like the stuff of a JournalRoleplay character, yet not only does X-23 exist, she is also very frequently used and promoted as an A-tier character. The rationale behind this, X-23's naysayers argue, is drearily predictable: if WolverinePublicity is a golden goose, why not clone it and get twice the golden eggs for the price of one? It's been downplayed in more recent years, but back in the first couple of years of her existence X-23 was also very heavily featured, to the point where it was very hard to argue against her being a CreatorsPet. And of course there's the more recent arc where she's [[TakeUpMySword taken up Wolverine's role and codename]].
51	* PortmanteauCoupleName:
52	** Helix has been widely adopted when discussing Laura's relationship with Hellion.
53	** [=Cyx-23=] has also been thrown about for the shipteasing between Laura and Teen!Scott in ''All-New X-Men''.
54	** And now Larren for the Laura/Teen!Warren relationship.
55	%% * QuestionableCasting: X-23 didn't debut in the comics; she debuted in the 2000s cartoon ''WesternAnimation/XMenEvolution'', and who did the showrunners cast as the first to embody the personification of broken, savage rage? Creator/AndreaLibman. Yes, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT9rhmzdZJ4 THAT Andrea Libman]].
56	* ShipToShipCombat: [[ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} Just like her daddy]], Laura gets a fair bit of this, mainly between Helix (Hellion/Laura) fans, [[HoYay Laura/Jubilee]] fans, and fans who don't see her as having interest in relationships whatsoever. Also toss in Kimura, Gambit, Finesse, Mercury, Dust, Elixir, Fantomex, and more crack pairings such as Wither, Spidey, Hulk (see CrackPairing above) and even Deadpool. There's even more than a few fans who [[IncestYayShipping ship her with Daken]] or ComicBook/{{Sabretooth}}. And now {{Rule 63}} and time travel is enabling the Scott/Logan CrackPairing to live vicariously through [[ComicBook/AllNewXMen Laura and Teen Cyke]] (not that it stops anyone from shipping her with the ''adult'' Scott, too). The cover to ''All-New X-Men'' #30, and Laura's night out with Teen!Warren, has sparked shipping for ''that'' pairing, as well (and more than a few jokes over the idea of Laura moving through the ''entire'' O5. Yes, even [[HoYay Jean]]). In fact it's amazing Quentin Quire's Stepford Cuckoo-induced ImagineSpot of himself flirting with her in ''ComicBook/WolverineAndTheXMenMarvelComics'' #4 hasn't created ''that'' pairing ([[{{Rule34}} yet]]).
57	* TheWoobie:
58	** Even taking the whole "[[TykeBomb raising a child to be an assassin]]" thing into consideration, Laura's upbringing was far harsher than it had to be. And this is on top of repeated YankTheDogsChain and FromBadToWorse moments every time it looks like she might have a chance to turn her life around. The poor girl just can't catch a break!
59	*** IronWoobie: Despite just how badly Laura wants a normal life, she ''will'' keep on fighting to protect others because she ''must''. Recruiting her for ComicBook/XForce was acknowledged to be a tremendous mistake for her well-being by everyone involved, but Laura still accepted the position anyway, and has proven time and again her willingness to sacrifice herself for others.
60	*** StoicWoobie: Despite all she's been through, though, Laura seldom actually talks about it. But mostly because her emotionally-abusive upbringing has left her with a poor understanding of ''how'' to express herself, to the point that she frequently [[SelfHarm cuts herself]]. When she ''does'' [[NotSoStoic break down]], she's prone to bouts of severe if not suicidal depression.
61	** Hellion during the Babysitting arc of the Liu series. He's barely holding it together emotionally while teetering on the edge of a HeroicBSOD, and no one — not even Laura, ''one of his best friends'' (to say nothing of his sort-of girlfriend) — are actually ''helping'' him cope with it.
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65	* BrokenBase: The Babysitting Arc of her solo series has proven ''highly'' contentious among readers, usually depending on whether they're [[PortmanteauCoupleName Helix]] shippers or not, but even that isn't a firm dividing line:
66	** Some readers believe Hellion got exactly what he deserved, noting how he was trying to force Laura into a relationship she clearly didn't want, and his actions throughout the story line just made the situation they were in increasingly worse and more dangerous. They cite his bullying, JerkAss behavior from ''New X-Men'', and argue that he's behaving as if he's entitled to her even though she doesn't owe him anything. His final words to her, and the way he stalked her in the subsequent issue, further sour their opinion of him.
67	** The main counter points to this by those who objected to the story line are:
68	*** Hellion's bullying in ''New X-Men'' has been significantly overstated. Their first meeting happened when Julian was in the midst of an argument with his ''then'' sort of girlfriend, Wind Dancer, and he snapped at Laura when Sofia stormed off. A few snarky comments aside, their subsequent interactions were not hostile at all, and Julian stood up for her when Emma Frost tried to have her taken out of the tryouts for the new X-team.
69	*** His behavior is also almost a complete reversal of his personality during "The Killing Dream," when Julian was acting much more within his typical character. The difference has come to the point where opponents of the arc argue Julian's situation was outright poorly handled. In particular, they note that he killed Karima -- at ''Karima's own request'' -- to protect his friends and prevent her from killing all of them. He's subsequently treated like a monster by everyone, including ''Wolverine'' and ''Gambit'', despite both being guilty of far, ''far'' worse. Both even try to ''actively'' keep Hellion away from Laura. Rather than getting him help for the HeroicBSOD he's in following ''Second Coming'' and Karima, he's treated as a villain in the making.
70	*** Laura's own behavior is called out. Not only was she supposed to be his best friend, if anyone should understand the situation Julian is in now it should be her. Her cold rejection of what many believe are attempts by Julian to reach out to her for support coping with his situation has been decried as horribly out of character. This is particularly egregious since during ''New X-Men'' Julian was one of the first people to ''actively'' try and show her she was more than just a killing machine.
71	** In the end, most Helix fans haven't forgiven Liu for breaking them up. Readers who don't like the Helix pairing, and particularly can't stand Hellion as a character (and a smaller minority who are fans of Hellion but hate Laura) generally tend to embrace it. Others -- even Helix fans -- argue that Laura was in no position for such a relationship at that time in her series, anyway, while agreeing it was mismanaged and both Laura and Julian were poorly characterized (and Wolverine and Gambit are ''tremendous'' hypocrites).
72	* DesignatedHero: Laura in her dealings with Hellion in issue 19. It's clear that the audience is ''supposed'' to side with her, and accept that her feelings for Julian have changed, and that she is in the right. However many fans took issue with the fact that Julian TookALevelInJerkass since his first appearance in the series to make the plot work. Additionally, Laura ''was'' behaving cold and unfeeling towards him throughout the arc. Julian only wanted a friend willing to talk to him, and from the very start she turned her back on him.
73	* FanDislikedExplanation: Marjorie Liu's explanation for her "breakup" with Hellion, which isn't helped by the hypocrisy of Wolverine and Gambit over the situation (seeing as they both have done far, ''far'' worse things in their time as X-Men), ''and'' Laura herself being written out of character. It's made more egregious when compared to how Laura and Julian were written in the first arc of the series.
74	* HilariousInHindsight: While trying to seduce her to his side, Hellverine takes the form of (a naked) Cyclops, and approaches her in a very {{squick}}y manner, stroking her face and commenting on her beauty. The scene is presented as very disturbing, but with a healthy dose of romantic subtext. Fast forward to ''ComicBook/AllNewXMen'', and Laura and O5 Cyclops share a mutual attraction (though it's ultimately never acted on).
75	* {{Squick}}:
76	** During one part of "The Killing Dream," Hellverine torments Laura in the form of Cyclops. A ''naked'' Cyclops, who keeps telling her that she's his.
77	** Laura's encounter with her half-brother, {{ComicBook/Daken}}. Once the various double-crossings are out of the way and the pair are forced to work together to take down Colcord, Daken's private thoughts about her after seeing her in action read rather... ''[[BrotherSisterIncest romantically]]''. Of course, this ''is'' {{D\|epravedBisexual}}aken...
78	* UnintentionallySympathetic: In the first issue, Surge's confrontation with Laura is portrayed as her attacking Laura while she's down. While Surge is being insensitive to Laura's struggles & being coerced into X-Force, and she doesn't bring out how X-Force saved her life, she's completely right about Laura. Surge was that Laura had gone back on her personal decision to stop killing. Laura really ''did'' shut them out despite them always helping her before, avoided being with them & didn't seem to care about how they felt. It gets even worse because after this when [[HarsherInHindsight Laura hasn't spoken to them in over a decade since then.]]
79	* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The audience is intended to take Laura's side in her breakup with Hellion, and Julian certainly says some rotten things to her when she dumps him. However everything leading ''up'' to that point in no way justified how she treated him: Hellion was in the midst of a HeroicBSOD after a TraumaCongaLine beginning with losing his hands during ''Second Coming'', and continuing through the fallout of his killing Karima. When Laura meets him at the school, he's been locked in his room as punishment for his actions, (even though he did the only thing he could to stop her, ''at Karima's own request'') and is desperately seeking ''someone'' to just talk to him and support him as he struggles to hold himself together. Instead she comes by just to say "hello" and then leaves him again. He spends the entire rest of the arc just trying to reach out to her, only to get continually rebuffed, even though at this time she was ''supposed'' to be one of his best friends (to say nothing of his kinda-sorta-girlfriend). It doesn't help at all that he's being treated like a monster by Wolverine and Gambit for doing the same sorts of things they've spent most of the series helping ''Laura'' cope with. In the end, it only makes her look every bit as cold and unfeeling as he accused her of being, and Logan and Remy just look like hypocritical jackasses.
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84	* ItsTheSameNowItSucks:
85	** There's an odd case blending with TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Together, this was the response by many X-23 fans upon learning the new book would be under the ''X-23'' name, and that Laura was giving up the Wolverine cowl. In particular, fears that StatusQuoIsGod would see Laura returning to using "X-23" as a code name and undoing all of her character development led to backlash before it was revealed whether she would actually be using the name in the book, or if it's just being used on the cover for branding. Additionally, this comes in spite of reassurances by writer Mariko Tamaki that ''X-23'' will be building on the development begun by Tom Taylor in ''ComicBook/AllNewWolverine''.
86	** Most of the stories are covering ground already explored by ''All-New Wolverine'', leaving many fans with a feeling that the book is simply treading water until the relaunches after ''Age of X-Man''.
87	* HilariousInHindsight: [[spoiler:The first arc concludes with Sophie's spirit killing Esme and expelling her from Gabby's body. The two formerly-deceased Cuckoos then die again for good. And then ''[[ComicBook/HouseAndPowersOfX House of X]]'' reveals that Sophie and Esme are among the dead mutants who were resurrected by Krakoa.]]
88	* NightmareFuel: The positively ''chilling'' KubrickStare and SlasherSmile [[spoiler:Esme in Gabby's body]] sports in issue 4 when [[spoiler:she reveals herself to the Cuckoos, confirming their device successfully transplanted her consciousness]].
89	* SoOkayItsAverage: The general consensus of readers. While the artwork met with universal approval and the writing has been well-received by fans, most have found the stories themselves to be too "safe" and uninspiring. That the series also treads ground previously covered by ''All New Wolverine'' rather than doing anything new has also fed into this reception.
90	* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The general reaction to issue 6 is that the concept of Gabby attending a normal high school (and Laura teaching in said school) was a rich font for potential character development that ultimately went unexplored in favor of a [[BreatherEpisode light one-and-done]] detective plot.
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