History YMMV / X23

* EnsembleDarkhorse: The first X-Man after ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} to have her own page on this site (and one of the few to have her own series). Even when she joined the New X-Men, she was easily the most popular character. For a while, she was the ''only'' X-Man with her own page, but now ComicBook/{{Storm}}, ComicBook/{{Cyclops}}, ComicBook/{{Dazzler}}, ComicBook/XMan (and ComicBook/{{Magneto}}, if you count him) have gotten in on the act.

** Laura's evolution from ''Comicbook/{{NYX}}'' to the present as led to divisions among the fanbase. While many have embraced her development as an example of one of the few characters in the Big Two who have ''actually'' undergone real and lasting CharacterDevelopment — from a virtually feral youth and introverted killer suffering from depression and esteem issues, to an emotionally and socially functional woman capable of forming relationships, and who has evolved into TheCape (despite still being willing and able to kill when she has no other choice) — others argue that this development takes away from what made her X-23 in the first place, and want to see a return of her ruthlessness as a killer, and her darker and troubled persona, sometimes arguing in favor of [[ShooOutTheClowns killing Gabby]] to make it happen. There's also some middle ground with calls for a more balanced approach; allowing Laura to have grown and developed, but bringing back her darker traits (such as her goth look) and making her kill more readily.

*** [[Comicbook/AllNewXMen Bendis and Hopeless]] receive the most consistently negative response; with Bendis accused of making her just another generic teen superhero, while Hopeless' handling of her relationship to Warren and making her the "Wolverine" of the team[[note]]by which he means a snarling BloodKnight charging into fights without thinking ahead first[[/note]] has been sharply criticized. They do have some defenders (with Bendis often of the DamnedByFaintPraise variety of "At least he isn't Hopeless") but are largely shouted down by the detractors.
*** The response to [[Comicbook/AllNewWolverine Taylor's]] writing may be the most divisive. Although most found him an improvement over Bendis and superior to Hopeless, others dismissed him as continuing on the track of making her just another generic young woman or worse, "Logan With Boobs." Some felt Taylor did an admirable job bridging Liu's depiction with character development into a healthier and more emotionally stable young woman. Others that he ignored or dropped the darker elements of her personality entirely and coddled her too much. He's also been accused of CharacterShilling at Logan's expense. Some readers argue that his depiction of Laura is just ''boring'' and lacks any sort of distinct personality to set her apart, and object to him resolving many of her ongoing plots, such as killing Kimura and ridding her of the Trigger Scent. Others found both stories were already played out and were due to be done away with, anyway, and that Laura needed to grow past her withdrawn and depressive period.

*** Others have argued against Kyle's remarks as a case of TrollingCreator, due to the context of other negative comments he made about her character development around the same time[[note]]IE, his general disapproval of her taking on the name Wolverine, or responding to Laura learning she shares Sarah's DNA with a [[Comicbook/CerebusTheAardvark Dave Sims]] panel sharply criticizing how the major publishing houses "steal" characters from creators and develop them in violation of their wishes[[/note]] as an attempt to gain some measure of control over the character by enlisting the fanbase to pressure Marvel.

** With Franchise/SpiderMan. There's a large group of people on Website/FourChan who thinks they're cute together.

** The reveal that Laura and "Kid" Cable will be starring in ''[[Comicbook/DawnOfX Fallen Angels]]'' together has already sparked shipping for many of the same reasons as Laura and Teen Scott.

** Fans of X-23 have begun developing one with fans of Comicbook/OldManLogan. Although it initially began rather one-sided, with Old Man Logan fans often disparaging of X-23 and ''All-New Wolverine'', X-23 fans were generally neutral or enjoyed both characters. However this has recently shifted, with X-23 fans viewing Old Man Logan as undermining Laura's role as Wolverine by getting much more focus by writers in events, and outside the X-Men books in general. The fact that Logan will be appearing in ''three'' team books and his solo under [=ResurrXtion=], while Laura only has her solo, has only further fueled the resentment.

** A strong cross-continuity rivalry exists with fans of [[Comicbook/Batgirl2000 Cassandra Cain]]; both characters have very similar in-universe backgrounds and skill sets, and [[UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny "Versus"]] threads between the two inevitably get ''very'' heated.

** Laura dating Teen!Warren becomes this when you remember that, during her earliest appearances in ''Uncanny X-Men'' under Claremont, Laura is frequently shown aping Comicbook/{{Psylocke}}'s mannerisms in the [[FunnyBackgroundEvent background]]. Lampshaded by ''[[http://40.media.tumblr.com/cf23cc1fdc11df10db5701ff466785e2/tumblr_o0rspybXCP1sp1wslo1_1280.jpg Waiting For The Trade]]''.

** In 1990, Marvel introduced a character called “Wolverina”, a female equivalent to Wolverine who presented herself as his long lost cousin, in the satirical ''What The..?'' series. She was a parody of WolverinePublicity and the trope of long-running male superheroes being paired with younger, DistaffCounterpart sidekicks (i.e. ComicBook/{{Supergirl}} and Comicbook/{{Batgirl}}). Fourteen years later...

* ShipToShipCombat: [[ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} Just like her daddy]], Laura gets a fair bit of this, mainly between Helix (Hellion/Laura) fans, [[HoYay Laura/Jubilee]] fans, and fans who don't see her as having interest in relationships whatsoever. Also toss in Kimura, Gambit, Finesse, Mercury, Dust, Elixir, Fantomex, and more crack pairings such as Wither, Spidey, Hulk (see CrackPairing above) and even Deadpool. There's even more than a few fans who [[IncestYayShipping ship her with Daken]] or Comicbook/{{Sabretooth}}. And now {{Rule 63}} and time travel is enabling the Scott/Logan CrackPairing to live vicariously through [[ComicBook/AllNewXMen Laura and Teen Cyke]] (not that it stops anyone from shipping her with the ''adult'' Scott, too). The cover to ''All-New X-Men'' #30, and Laura's night out with Teen!Warren, has sparked shipping for ''that'' pairing, as well (and more than a few jokes over the idea of Laura moving through the ''entire'' O5. Yes, even [[HoYay Jean]]). In fact it's amazing Quentin Quire's Stepford Cuckoo-induced ImagineSpot of himself flirting with her in ''ComicBook/WolverineAndTheXMenMarvelComics'' #4 hasn't created ''that'' pairing ([[{{Rule34}} yet]]).

* HilariousInHindsight: While trying to seduce her to his side, Hellverine takes the form of (a naked) Cyclops, and approaches her in a very {{squick}}y manner, stroking her face and commenting on her beauty. The scene is presented as very disturbing, but with a healthy dose of romantic subtext. Fast forward to ''Comicbook/AllNewXMen'', and Laura and O5 Cyclops share a mutual attraction (though it's ultimately never acted on).

** There's an odd case blending with TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Together, this was the response by many X-23 fans upon learning the new book would be under the ''X-23'' name, and that Laura was giving up the Wolverine cowl. In particular, fears that StatusQuoIsGod would see Laura returning to using "X-23" as a code name and undoing all of her character development led to backlash before it was revealed whether she would actually be using the name in the book, or if it's just being used on the cover for branding. Additionally, this comes in spite of reassurances by writer Mariko Tamaki that ''X-23'' will be building on the development begun by Tom Taylor in ''Comicbook/AllNewWolverine''.

** The reveal that there where two Laura"s Talon who is the original Laura who was trapped thousands of years in the vault, and her younger clone who has the memories and personality of Laura before she enter the vault. To start well there our some fans of the paring her relationship with Synch has been controversial . With many fans criticizing it for coming out of no where since they barely knew each before going into the vault,and since talon life know seems to revolve around synch with her seemingly no longer caring about any of her friends or family from her previous life. With some fans going as far as to say that talon exist solely to be synch girlfriend. The way young Laura has been written is controversial also. Well many fans like her more relaxed and laid back attitude other critzie it for departing to much from her characitzation in privious arcs featuring Laura. With some going as far as to say that she is basically just a female Logan.

* WhatTheHellCastingAgency: X-23 didn't debut in the comics; she debuted in the 2000s cartoon ''WesternAnimation/XMenEvolution'', and who did the showrunners cast as the first to embody the personification of broken, savage rage? Creator/AndreaLibman. Yes, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT9rhmzdZJ4 THAT Andrea Libman]].

** Laura's encounter with her half-brother, {{ComicBook/Daken}}. Once the various double-crossings are out of the way and the pair are forced to work together to take down Colcord, Daken's private thoughts about her after seeing her in action read rather... ''[[BrotherSisterIncest romantically]]''. Of course, this ''[[AnythingThatMoves is]]'' {{D|epravedBisexual}}aken...

** Although X-23 was first introduced in ''X-Men: Evolution'' and the series continues to have a sizable fanbase, her comics iteration is by ''far'' better known, and tends to influence most other AlternateUniverse versions. For example, her depiction in ''Film/{{Logan}}'' draws significantly from ''Comicbook/InnocenceLost'' and ''Target X''.

* CommonKnowledge:
** Everyone knows that Laura is Logan's OppositeSexClone...except she isn't. Sarah Kinney contributed to her genetic makeup, meaning she's not a clone at all, but rather the biological daughter of Logan and Sarah.
** Also, everyone knows that X-23 means she's the 23rd attempt to clone Logan. Except not. X-23 means she's the 23rd attempt at a ''female'' clone, but there were many more attempts to create a male clone before her.

* PanderingToTheBase: At least according to the people on one side of the BrokenBase, who view the X-23 character with more than a little bit of scorn. A blatant RuleSixtyThree character with a past somehow even ''[[UpToEleven more]]'' traumatic and convoluted than Logan's sounds like the stuff of a JournalRoleplay character, yet not only does X-23 exist, she is also very frequently used and promoted as an A-tier character. The rationale behind this, X-23's naysayers argue, is drearily predictable: if WolverinePublicity is a golden goose, why not clone it and get twice the golden eggs for the price of one? It's been downplayed in more recent years, but back in the first couple of years of her existence X-23 was also very heavily featured, to the point where it was very hard to argue against her being a CreatorsPet. And of course there's the more recent arc where she's [[TakeUpMySword taken up Wolverine's role and codename]].

* ShipToShipCombat: [[ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} Just like her daddy]], Laura gets a fair bit of this, mainly between Helix (Hellion/Laura) fans, [[HoYay Laura/Jubilee]] fans, and fans who don't see her as having interest in relationships whatsoever. Also toss in [[FoeYay Kimura]], Gambit, Finesse, Mercury, Dust, Elixir, Fantomex, and more crack pairings such as Wither, Spidey, Hulk (see CrackPairing above) and even Deadpool. There's even more than a few fans who [[IncestYayShipping ship her with Daken]] or Comicbook/{{Sabretooth}}. And now {{Rule 63}} and time travel is enabling the Scott/Logan CrackPairing to live vicariously through [[ComicBook/AllNewXMen Laura and Teen Cyke]] (not that it stops anyone from shipping her with the ''adult'' Scott, too). The cover to ''All-New X-Men'' #30, and Laura's night out with Teen!Warren, has sparked shipping for ''that'' pairing, as well (and more than a few jokes over the idea of Laura moving through the ''entire'' O5. Yes, even [[HoYay Jean]]). In fact it's amazing Quentin Quire's Stepford Cuckoo-induced ImagineSpot of himself flirting with her in ''ComicBook/WolverineAndTheXMenMarvelComics'' #4 hasn't created ''that'' pairing ([[{{Rule34}} yet]]).

* HilariousInHindsight: While trying to seduce her to his side, Hellverine takes the form of (a naked) Cyclops, and approaches her in a very {{squick}}y manner, stroking her face and commenting on her beauty. The scene is presented as very disturbing, but with a healthy dose of FoeYay. Fast forward to ''Comicbook/AllNewXMen'', and Laura and O5 Cyclops share a mutual attraction (though it's ultimately never acted on).

* HilariousInHindsight: [[spoiler:The first arc concludes with Sophie's spirit killing Esme and expelling her from Gabby's body. The two formerly-deceased Cuckoos then die again for good. And then ''Comicbook/HouseOfX'' reveals that Sophie and Esme are among the dead mutants who were resurrected by Krakoa.]]

*** In some cases the debate has reached {{Strawman|Argument}} levels, with accusations being leveled that anyone objecting to Kyle's remarks — ''whatever'' the reason — are simply homophobic on one side, while on the other it has been taken up by the similar Comicsgate-style attacks against diversity in general.

* ShipToShipCombat: [[ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} Just like her daddy]], Laura gets a fair bit of this, mainly between Helix (Hellion/Laura) fans, [[HoYay Laura/Jubilee]] fans, and fans who don't see her as having interest in relationships whatsoever. Also toss in [[FoeYay Kimura]], Gambit, Finesse, Mercury, Dust, Elixir, Fantomex, and more crack pairings such as Wither, Spidey, Hulk (see CrackPairing above) and even Deadpool. There's even more than a few fans who [[IncestYayShipping ship her with Daken]] or Comicbook/{{Sabretooth}}. And now {{Rule 63}} and time travel is enabling the Scott/Logan CrackPairing to live vicariously through [[ComicBook/AllNewXMen Laura and Teen Cyke]] (not that it stops anyone from shipping her with the ''adult'' Scott, too). The cover to ''All-New X-Men'' #30, and Laura's night out with Teen!Warren, has sparked shipping for ''that'' pairing, as well (and more than a few jokes over the idea of Laura moving through the ''entire'' O5. Yes, even [[HoYay Jean]]). In fact it's amazing Quentin Quire's Stepford Cuckoo-induced ImagineSpot of himself flirting with her in ''ComicBook/WolverineAndTheXMen'' #4 hasn't created ''that'' pairing ([[{{Rule34}} yet]]).

* SoOKItsAverage: The general consensus of readers. While the artwork met with universal approval and the writing has been well-received by fans, most have found the stories themselves to be too "safe" and uninspiring. That the series also treads ground previously covered by ''All New Wolverine'' rather than doing anything new has also fed into this reception.

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* CompleteMonster: Zander Rice again. See YMMV/InnocenceLost for details.

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** As an extension of that, most mainstream audiences are more familiar with the character as a Spanish-speaking child over the white teenage girl/young adult woman in the comics. This also extends to the nature of the character herself, with many filmgoers surprised to see her deep hesitation towards killing, which is a direct contrast to the film version.

** Also, everyone knows that X-23 means she's the 23rd attempt to clone Logan. Except not. X-23 mean she's the 23rd attempt at a ''female'' clone, but there were many more attempts to create a male clone before her.

* CommonKnowledge: Everyone knows that Laura is Logan's OppositeSexClone...except she isn't. Sarah Kinney contributed to her genetic makeup, meaning she's not a clone at all, but rather the biological daughter of Logan and Sarah.

* WhatTheHellCastingAgency: X-23 didn't debut in the comics; she debuted in the 2000s cartoon ''TVseries/XMenEvolution'', and who did the showrunners cast as the first to embody the personification of broken, savage rage? Creator/AndreaLibman. Yes, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT9rhmzdZJ4 THAT Andrea Libman]].

* CreatorsPet: It's ''very hard'' to argue that she is not this to creator Craig Kyle. He has even gone on the record referring to himself as an "overprotective mother" of her in interviews, and almost every X-Men thing he's ever written heavily features her (the exception is ''Amazing X-Men'', because that team was directly opposed to the team Laura was on at the time).

** Laura's evolution from ''Comicbook/{{NYX}}'' to the present as led to divisions among the fanbase. While many have embraced her development as an example of one of the few characters in the Big Two who have ''actually'' undergone real and lasting CharacterDevelopment — from a virtually feral youth and introverted killer suffering from depression and esteem issues, to an emotionally and socially functional woman capable of forming relationships, and who has evolved into TheCape (despite still being willing and able to kill when she has no other choice) — others argue that this development takes away from what made her X-23 in the first place, and want to see a return of her ruthlessness as a killer, and her darker and troubled persona, sometimes arguing in favor of [[ShooOutHeClowns killing Gabby]] to make it happen. There's also some middle ground with calls for a more balanced approach; allowing Laura to have grown and developed, but bringing back her darker traits (such as her goth look) and making her kill more readily.

*** Marjorie Liu's writing has proven polarizing, with some declaring the character peaked during her run. Others dismiss her presentation as dry and emotionless, unfavorably declaring her depiction as "Robo-Laura" with very little middle ground.

*** The only writer who has so far avoided much of this debate has been Tamaki, but only because she spent less time with the character, in a run that has been largely relegated to SoOkayItsAverage.

*** While some readers have used this as fuel for subtext in scenes such as Jubilee drinking Laura's blood, others have pointed out that Kyle never actually wrote such scenes himself. The only possibly romantic development he ever wrote for her was with a male, and no groundwork was ever actually laid supporting such a development was ever planned. Contrast this with the outing of Northstar, which was foreshadowed from the character's introduction.
*** Others have argued against Kyle's remarks as a case of TrollingCreator, due to the context of other negative comments he made about character development around the same time[[note]]IE, his general disapproval of her taking on the name Wolverine, or responding to Laura learning she shares Sarah's DNA the week before with a [[Comicbook/CerebusTheAardvark Dave Sims]] panel sharply criticizing how the major publishing houses "steal" characters from creators and develop them in violation of their wishes[[/note]] as an attempt to gain some measure of control over the character by enlisting the fanbase to pressure Marvel.

** Fans of the character are sharply divided on the character's evolution over the years, and in particular how she's been presented by different writers.

** There's an odd case blending with TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Together, this was the response by many X-23 fans upon learning the new book would be under the ''X-23'' name, and that Laura was giving up the Wolverine cowl. In particular, fears that StatusQuoIsGod would see Laura returning to using "X-23" as a code name and undoing all of her character development has led to backlash before it was revealed whether she would actually be using the name in the book, or if it's just being used on the cover for branding. Additionally, this comes in spite of reassurances by writer Mariko Tamaki that ''X-23'' will be building on the development begun by Tom Taylor in ''Comicbook/AllNewWolverine''.

* BrokenBase: Craig Kyle remarking on Twitter he intended for Laura to come out as gay quickly proved divisive among the fanbase, and hasn't relented since.
** Some take WordOfGod exactly as it is: If her creator says it, then it's so and everything else is wrong (especially as Kyle himself stoked such a response by claiming it to be the "true story"). However others point out that WordOfGod is not as important as what's actually on the page, referring to other author intentions that never came to pass.[[note]]IE, Claremont intending Sabretooth to be revealed as Logan's father.[[/note]] Furthermore, Kyle had not written X-23 for over 10 years by that point, and the character is owned by Marvel, leaving the level of control Kyle ''actually'' has over her identity significantly in doubt.
** While some readers have used this as fuel for subtext in scenes such as Jubilee drinking Laura's blood, others have pointed out that Kyle never actually wrote such scenes himself. The only possibly romantic development he ever wrote for her was with a male, and no groundwork was ever actually laid supporting such a development was ever planned. Contrast this with the outing of Northstar, which was foreshadowed from the character's introduction.
** Others have argued against Kyle's remarks as a case of TrollingCreator, due to the context of other negative comments he made about character development around the same time[[note]]IE, his general disapproval of her taking on the name Wolverine, or responding to Laura learning she shares Sarah's DNA the week before with a [[Comicbook/CerebusTheAardvark Dave Sims]] panel sharply criticizing how the major publishing houses "steal" characters from creators and develop them in violation of their wishes[[/note]] as an attempt to gain some measure of control over the character by enlisting the fanbase to pressure Marvel.
** In some cases the debate has reached {{Strawman|Argument}} levels, with accusations being leveled that anyone objecting to Kyle's remarks — ''whatever'' the reason — are simply homophobic on one side, while on the other it has been taken up by the similar Comicsgate-style attacks against diversity in general.

** Others have argued against Kyle's remarks due to the context of other negative comments he made about character development around the same time[[note]]IE, his general disapproval of her taking on the name Wolverine, or responding to Laura learning she shares Sarah's DNA with a [[Comicbook/CerebusTheAardvark Dave Sims]] panel sharply criticizing how the major publishing houses "steal" characters from creators and develop them in violation of their wishes[[/note]] as an attempt to gain some measure of control over the character.
** In some cases the argument has reached {{Strawman|Argument}} levels, with accusations being leveled that anyone objecting to Kyle's remarks — ''whatever'' the reason — are simply homophobic on one side, while on the other side it has been taken up by the similar Comicsgate-style attacks against diversity in general

* CrackPairing: With Franchise/SpiderMan. There's a large group of people on Website/FourChan who thinks they're cute together.

** The cover to ''All-New X-Men'' #20 (see BrokenBase above) takes full advantage of {{Rule 34}} and {{Rule 63}} to add fuel to the fires over the popular [[HoYay Wolverine/Cyclops]] CrackPairing.