Line #9 YMMV/Homeworld


1	* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: Two in [=HW1=]:
2	** The GhostShip from the ''Sea Of Lost Souls'' appears with no foreshadowing, receives no explanation and is promptly forgotten. One would expect it to receive some contextualisation like the Turanic Raiders or the Kadeshi, but there is none. One would expect that the fact that the ship isn't destroyed but left deactivated would end up being a major ChekhovsGun, especially within the context of the Bentusi mentioning they are uniquely vulnerable to it, but there is nothing. Even when ''Cataclysm'' rolls in and a faction similarly ancient as the Ghost Ship with similar abilities (and similar effect on the Bentusi) is introduced, no connection is drawn. The only lasting effect on the game is that the Kushan gain some technology from it, which doesn't even have anything to do with the Ghost Ship's unique gimmick.
3	** Approaching the Hyperspace Inhibitor at ''Tanhauser Gate'' triggers a cutscene showing Taiidani harvesters operating at the centre of the gate. It is shot beautifully and has a unique, haunting piece of music attached to it. One would expect some grand reveal or a twist to take place in a sequence like that, but there is not a single piece exposition and the cutscene doesn't even trigger a new series of events.
4	* BreatherLevel: After each level of ''[=HW1=]'', the player can choose to sit around and do whatever they like, such as collect resources or build ships. In addition, a few missions (such as missions 09 and 11) feature very little in the way of combat or difficulty compared to the previous mission(s). The game drew some criticism for how long these breather segments could last.
5	** ''Homeworld 2'', on the other hand, removed manual exiting of a mission zone in favor of just giving all the resources that were left in the area, then leaving--[[FridgeLogic even when it made no sense]], such as being given thousands of kilometers worth of unharvested resource pockets while ''fleeing an explosion that creates a massive spacial hazard, with seconds to spare.'' The remastered version of the first game does this as well.
6	** One of the points where ''Cataclysm'' was praised was the option to increase time-flow by up to 800%, as it stuck to the first game's way of dealing with mission endings (though it often left the player with a significantly stronger force coming after their hide, as an incentive to move on.)
7	* BrokenBase: Several, and all are violent. The most notable are listed below:
8	** People who consider the first game to be the only good one or the only one that matters in terms of story.
9	** There is a large divide involving ''Cataclysm'', mainly stemming from it's tone as a CosmicHorrorStory. From those who greatly enjoy it's amazing story and makes a good part of the ''Homeworld'' universe, and those who are so horrified by it's dark and terrifying tone that they [[FanonDisContinuity refuse to even consider it canon]]. It gets even messier when several sources from people in the ''Homeworld'' franchise can't seem to get into a combined consensus if it's canon or not.
10	** The divide between those who like ''Homeworld 2'' and those who don't.
11	** The divide between those who believe the Kadeshi were wiped out, and those who believe they are still alive.
12	** There is a significant amount of debate over whether using the Salvage Corvette is "fair" or not.
13	** The remastered version is already engendering this, with cries of TheyChangedItNowItSucks echoing far and wide over issues as important as the altering of significant game mechanics in [=HW1=] to ones as pointless as the sounds of various weapons in either game. The latter has already received a patch.
14	* CompleteMonster: [[BigBad Emperor Riesstiu IV the Second]] is TheCaligula of the Taiidan empire. Before the events of the game, he was a corrupt and unstable ruler whose brutal policies have reduced his empire to a mere shell of its former self. When the Kushan unknowingly violate a treaty forbidding them from developing space technology, a treaty long forgotten by everyone except historians, Riesstiu orders the genocide of the entire Kushan civilization and has his fleet [[DoomedHometown firebomb their planet Kharak]], [[ManOnFire roasting alive untold millions]]. He then broadcasts the footage all across his empire, threatening hundreds of worlds with the same fate. When the peaceful Bentusi give aid to the Kushans, Riesstiu orders his fleet to attack one of their motherships, intent on slaying everything on board. When the Kushans arrive at their true home world Hiigara, he {{mind rape}}s fleet control Karan S'jet, and then personally attempts to finish the very genocide he started. Seeking power at the expense of everything that lives, Riesstiu is [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating reviled throughout the galaxy]].
15	* CriticalDissonance: ''Homeworld 3'''s release was met with "generally favorable" critics reviews, sitting at 78% on Metacritic, whereas the audience score was the exact opposite at just 33% ("generally unfavorable"). On Steam it launched with an aggregate review score below 50% and stabilized at barely above 40% in the weeks that followed, making it by far the lowest-rated entry in the series.
16	* DemonicSpiders: The Keepers in ''[=HW2=]''. They're carrier-sized battlecrusiers with two fast-firing ion cannons, armor that shames anything you've got and then some, the ability to launch powerful drone fighters that can take incredible punishment, the ability to go to hyperspace and bounce to the other side of the field should those fighters be destroyed (where it will launch ''more''), and finally the ability to phase out of the game itself and return with full health should you damage them enough. It's intentional, of course, as both instances of them appearing are siege missions and you're not supposed to win, just hold out until the plot lets you proceed.
17	* DifficultySpike: Mission 3, Sarum, complicates the situation enormously. With only 14 fighter squadrons and 12 Corvette squadrons, you have to defend a Shipyard against boarding frigates, destroy three enemy Carriers which are pouring said frigates down on you as well as fighter squadrons for cover, and--if you have not engaged in SequenceBreaking--defend your {{Worker Unit}}s. You do have the ability to build {{Weak Turret Gun}}s and Flak Frigates, but you're unlikely to have enough resources to do this as you lose forces to attrition.
18	* EnsembleDarkhorse: The Kadeshi. Despite appearing in only two missions from the first game [[spoiler: and possibly getting completely wiped out by the player]] they are quite popular.
19	* FanonDiscontinuity: ''Homeworld 3'''s plot, characters and writing - perceived by many fans of the original games as immature, disjointed and nonsensical - quickly resulted in a majority of players disavowing this game from the wider canon, preferring to pretend it was never made in the first place.
20	* [[{{SugarWiki/FunnyMoments}} Funny Moments]]: You wouldn't expect one in the dead-serious ''Homeworld'' franchise, then you have Karan Sjet's VA Heidi Ernest coming in with a ''seriously'' [[{{Main/Adorkable}} adorkable]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhBRjQDYAN4 outtake reel.]]
21	--> "That's my huge pet peeve, I have to say, with [[{{Franchise/TombRaider}} Lara Croft.]] With those things, she couldn't swim. She'd just keep floating onto her back and floating up to the top."
22	--> "Once you have pointed the pointer at the point, and you're ready to point it, [[{{Main/Beat}} (beat)]] point!" (giggling)
23	--> "I'm gonna mouse over that enemy ship, just watch me! Ya ugly cheese-eater!"
24	--> "To apply mousse (moose?) to your enemy ships..."
25	* GameBreaker: The Salvage Corvette in the first game went OffTheRails quite quickly, as it could steal the enemy's GameBreaker ships. The first major example was the Kadeshi multi-beam frigates, which can shred pretty much anything because they have ''four'' {{Wave Motion Gun}}s, while the most expensive ship the Kushan could build at the time only had two. The research-station mission had valuable capital ships cut off from any reinforcement by a super nova, making it (relatively) easy to capture large numbers of them--but the worst was Mission 14, with dozens and dozens of Ion Cannon Frigates ripe for capture (the last one was intentional on the developers' part, given what you have to blow up in the very next mission).
26	** Also in the first game, the Minelayer Corvette can be devastating. By just placing a squadron of those on the enemy's approach route and placing their mines, you can devastate ''any'' enemy attack, including the infamous [[ColonyDrop motorized asteroid aimed at your mothership]] (makes [[ThatOneLevel one of the most difficult missions]] into a near cakewalk).
27	* GoodBadBugs: Homeworld has both the F2kzzzz and "probe bomb" tricks, which both exploit different bugs for viable strategies in the game.
28	** The F2kzzzz glitch basically puts several different command queries for scouts together to make them flying ninjas of doom. First, you press the F2 key, which sets the scouts to evasive, making them slightly faster for a cost in firepower. Then, you press "k," which initiates the kamikaze attack. Normally, this would be lethal, but by then pressing "z" repeatedly on the keyboard, you initiate a special Up to Eleven ability for scouts that makes them even faster, so fast in fact, that they prove too agile to die. As a result, the scouts become nigh impossible to kill and trail closely behind enemy fighters, shooting the entire way.
29	** The probe bomb trick takes advantage of the unusually wide area of effect for scuttling a probe, thereby enabling you to kill any number of unfortunate strike craft to wander in range.
30	* HilariousInHindsight: In the original ''Homeworld'' game, the main antagonist is a galaxy-spanning dystopian empire which responds to any planet which opposes them by deploying an atmosphere-destroying device and is ruled by a very long-lived Emperor who seems to possess psychic powers. [[VideoGame/DawnOfWar Guess what game Relic made a few years later?]] Possibly crosses over with ShoutOut, given the circumstances.
31	* MemeticBadass: In some communities, [[GameBreaker Salvage Corvette]] from the first ''Homeworld''.
32	* MoralEventHorizon: Taiidan forces cross this when they destroy Kharak and its whole population, for the crime of returning to space, based on the treaty that was made ''millennia ago''. It's so bad that captain of operation is heavily implied to be tortured to death for information by survivors [[NothingIsScarier and the fate of the crew is unknown...]] The Taiidan Empire rises in rebellion when word spreads.
33	* {{Narm}}: [[spoiler:"Bring Sajuuk to bear!"]]
34	** The [=NAGGAROK's=] 30 second long BigNo. (It's been suggested that this isn't really the ''Naggarok'' screaming, but every Beast ship in the Galaxy [[spoiler: feeling the pain of being lobotomized by the ''Naggarok'''s destruction.]])
35	** After ''HW 1'' and ''HW 2'''s collected, professional and - at worst - ColdHam dialogue from allies and enemies alike, the unhinged ranting delivered by the Incarnate Queen in ''HW 3'' was met with overwhelming scorn from much of the fan base, with many comparing it to a toddler throwing a tantrum. The bizarre cutscenes that came with it only made it that much worse.
36	* NightmareFuel: What The Beast does with whatever organic matter it makes contact with. Especially in the case of the Bentusi who [[spoiler:are not merely killed and reduced to biomass but instead remain alive and conscious inside the infected ships due to them being integrated into their vessel circuits, much like Karan is one with the Mothership]].
37	** Made even more scary with the resulting distorted DeathCryEcho of the victims in your radio ''which sounds like the crew had just been assimilated!''
38	* SpiritualLicensee: The game was originally intended as a ''Series/BattlestarGalactica1978'' game but it did not work out in the end, forcing Relic to alter the universe and characters slightly. The story is still there though.
39	** Somehow the game also taps into the feel of the re-imagined BSG despite predating it: The game's mood and the heavy spirituality matches the re-imagining more than the original BSG. Same with the physics and the way ships do battle. Arguably, ''Homeworld'' is the combination of the more fantastic elements of the original BSG (aliens, wave motion cannons, an evil Empire) and the more stylistic elements (lack of goofiness, a more serious mood, spiritual feel, the way battles are conducted) of the re-imagined BSG. And it works!
40	* SurpriseDifficulty: The first two missions in ''[=HW2=]'' consist of "Build a ship! YIPPIE HOORAY!" ... Then "build a building, build some ships, kill an enemy scout" ... Then the third mission is "Destroy an enemy fleet twice your size on one side of the map, while ''another'' enemy fleet just as large warps in on top of the ''only mineral field'' on the map, killing your miner and thus preventing you from building another fleet, while your main fleet is wholly occupied with the first fleet."
41	* ScrappyMechanic: The dynamic difficulty system in space-based installments of ''Homeworld'' has been known to annoy some players. Trying to amass large fleet can result in the game spawning even more hostile ships in the amount that make the missions much harder to compete against you.
42	* SignatureScene:
43	** ''Homeworld'': "Kharak is burning." The player comes home to find the construction yard from two missions ago is a wreck, and the planet below has been bombed to oblivion by unknown aggressors. The only thing the player can do is fight off a mere two enemy frigates and then slowly collect some surviving cryogenic trays, listening to a haunting, sorrowful background track and Fleet Command stoically counting the number of survivors from the trays.
44	** ''Cataclysm'': The opening of mission 4, marking the CosmicHorrorReveal. Having taken the mysterious beacon pod aboard the ''Kuun-Lan'' for study, strange power fluctuations are noticed coming from the ship's research module, followed by biohazard warnings across all the lower deck modules. It quickly becomes apparent that ''[[TheVirus something]]'' hitched a ride inside the pod and is now slaughtering its way through the ''Kuun-Lan'', flooding the comms with the screaming of its victims. The research director begs the captain to jettison all the lower modules before the whole ship is overrun, and the assembly soon careens off into space, still broadcasting the shrieks of the damned.
45	* TaintedByThePreview: Many fans have already written off the Homeworld series as doomed after finding out Gearbox obtained the rights to the series. Considering that Gearbox has never worked on an RTS before, and considering the arguably poor quality of some of their more [[VideoGame/DukeNukemForever recent]] [[VideoGame/AliensColonialMarines games]], these fans have plenty of reason to fear. It's been somewhat alleviated by the fact that Gearbox opted to pass development to Blackbird Interactive, which is made up of many of the original game's developers.
46	* ThatOneLevel:
47	** The convoy escort mission in Cataclysm most notably. The catch, it is not exactly hard at all, but rather the high amount of NightmareFuel involved.
48	** "Help us! ''HELP US!!!''"
49	** Asteroid mission 6 in [=HW1=]. It's boring, long, and without any enemies to fight or engage with, just destroying asteroids that don't fight back. It's little wonder that the demo of [=HW1=] skipped the mission and replaced it with a special "Assault on the Turanic Raider Homeworld" mission. This mission is much more difficult in the remastered version. When asteroids are destroyed they split, and the new asteroids have to be manually targeted or your ships will just ignore them even as they are killed by them requiring a lot of micromanagement when the targetable and harvestable chunks get mixed in together. The mission also starts with the first wave of asteroids right on top of you, without enough time to get your ships in position.
50	** The Remaster version of Mission 16 is effectively impossible on the first try. Not only are you immediately attacked by three large fleets, they all ignore the rest of your fleet to single-mindedly target the Mothership. Unless you had your fleet mix specifically set up ahead of time and use SequenceBreaking to give orders before the briefing starts you'll lose the level before your Strike Craft are launched. If you make it past the first three minutes it's a complete cakewalk, but your must first last three minutes.
51	** In [=HW2=], Mission 3, you exit a jump to hyperspace and find that the shipyard that you ''need'' to continue the plot of the game, is under attack by the Vaygr. You set up a forward asteroid mining operation, then kick the shipyard's attackers out. Then... the Vaygr warp in and attack your (likely undefended) little mining operation, and shortly after you repair the shipyard, '''THREE VAYGR CARRIERS''' warp in and use Infiltrator Frigates to board the shipyard. The new Carrier you get has ''barely'' enough time to make Marine Frigates, and if you don't you'll have to give it a Fighter facility, then make bombers and try to take out as many Vaygr Infiltrator Frigates as you can. Most often, the Shipyard is taken over and begins the self-destruct sequence. You now have '''FIVE MINUTES''' to get all the Infiltrators and then make more Marine Frigates while also making more bombers to get all the carriers, ''then'' make Interceptors to help the bombers take down the assault craft which guard the carriers and make swiss cheese out of your bombers, and, if you're unlucky, your Interceptors. All the while you have very limited resources and ship selections to work with. Later on it actually gets ''easier'', for some.
52	** Mission 5 in the first game was no cake walk either. The Taidan have a carrier and two destroyers with frigate escorts at a point where you can only build frigates. You have also just learned to make ion frigates recently so you will not have more than 2-3. Unlike every other mission in the game, the Taidan act smart about your salvage corvettes and will drop ''everything'' in order to turn around and kill them before they get to latch onto their ships.
53	** In [=HW2=], the mission "Thaddis Sabbah" is a freaking nightmare if you built up your fleet beforehand. The games DynamicDifficulty scales the defending fleet to be far more powerful than your own; a fully maxed-out player fleet will yield an utterly gargantuan Vagyr fleet even before Makaan shows up, sometimes producing over 10 battlecruisers (to your 2, [[ArbitraryHeadcountLimit natch]]). Expect the battlefield to be littered with derelicts before you're done.
54	** If you thought that "Thaddis Sabbah" was nightmare, try the very next level with full fleet. You warp in, see '''TWELVE''' battlecruisers, that are packed in one large group which will mow through almost all of your fleet before (and if) you manage to take them all down. Ah, and after that the only thing left to do is destroy that massive horde of rocket frigates that attacking the gates that are vital to mission. By time you are through with battlecruisers, usually 34 of the gate systems HP is already gone.
55	* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The Remastered version of Homeworld 1 made a number of changes to allow cross-game multiplayer. Fighters got it worst; they no longer hold formation in combat and were made much less durable, making them almost useless after the earliest parts of the campaign. Frigates were also made into glass cannons which Destroyers can easily pick off before they even come into firing range, and are only useful in large numbers. These changes completely invalidate most strategies from the original version.
56	** Formations (and tactics, which were missing) were re-added in a large patch, fixing many of the issues with fighters. Frigates remain somewhat more fragile than in Homeworld 1, but have been [[https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4a53qqlAgPOWVdzQ1lfMlFVLTQ/view rebalanced to fit a more suitable role.]]
57	** And while there hasn't been an official update since, the [[https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1190476337 Players]] [[https://www.moddb.com/mods/homeworld-remastered-players-patch Patch]] steps up and not only basically fixes nearly ''everything'' (seriously, [[https://github.com/HW-PlayersPatch/File_Share/blob/master/ChangeLists/2.3%20Players%20Patch%20-%20Full%20Change%20List.md look at the changelog for patch 2.3]]), but also adds a bunch of new options, including the option to scale the DynamicDifficulty however you please.

Context YMMV / Homeworld