Line #43 YMMV/TheHuntForRedOctober


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2	* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
3	** The movie seems to imply that the real reason for Ramius defecting was less anger of his wife's death and more [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight concern]] over the fact that the Red October's primary purpose would be to start a nuclear war due to its stealth. In that context, Ryan's [[AdaptationExplanationExtrication comments]] about Ramius's wife are more that he no longer has any reason to go back home.
4	** It could also be said (based on both the book and the film), that the death of Ramius' wife by an incompetent/drunk, Party-connected doctor got him 90-95% of the way there, then seeing the plans for the Red October filled up the defection meter the rest of the way, as he recognized how destabilizing this new sub design would be for world peace.
5	* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: Creator/TomClancy really struggled to get the book published, dealing with massive publisher disinterest. He finally tried taking it to the Naval Institute Press, for whom he had previously written a number of nonfiction articles, and they agreed to print it as their first-ever foray into fiction. The novel turned into a surprise bestseller after President UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan read it and spoke in favor of it.
6	* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Courtesy of Music/BasilPoledouris. Particularly the Soviet-like choirs of "Hymn to Red October" and "Ancestral Aid".
7	* BrokenBase: Don't expect a fast or easy argument between whether the book or the movie is better. Both are quite well known and well regarded in spite of some notable plot and character differences
8	* CommonKnowledge:
9	** "Sean Connery plays a Russian sub commander". Except Ramius is Lithuanian, which is a key plot point in his defection. So, he is a commander of a Russian sub, but not a Russian commander of a Russian sub. (It's like a "large animal hospital" - is it a large hospital, or a hospital for animals that are large?)
10	** Much of this confusion comes from the fact that the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was technically [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin many different republics unified under a single soviet]], which was a type of governing council. Each of the republics (to include Russia) had their own soviets, though all were subservient to the Supreme Soviet. So technically, the Soviet Union wasn't just Russia, and not all Soviets Russians, although in practical terms Russia more or less ruled the Soviet Union and dominated it demographically and culturally by a very large margin, leading to the common conflation in the West. This also led to the weird but important historical footnote that the last country to declare independence from the Soviet Union was Russia, at which point the USSR effectively disintegrated.
11	* DesignatedVillain: Strictly speaking, none of the antagonists (Putin, Loginov, or Tupolev) do anything particularly villainous apart from being barriers between the heroes and their goal of seizing a Soviet warship and her payload of thermonuclear warheads.
12	** Putin doesn't even get the opportunity to choose before he is killed in cold blood before he can learn of the plot. [[DirtyBusiness Ramius goes so far as to apologize to him in his dying moments.]]
13	** Loginov is doing his duty to try and stop the ''Red October's'' disloyal officers from defecting to the United States after Ramius has murdered Putin.
14	** Tupolev may not even know that Ramius is trying to defect, and most likely has been told he is going to [[GeneralRipper attempt a rogue strike]], and is thus likely racing to [[HeroOfAnotherStory prevent World War III and millions of needless deaths.]]
15	* EnsembleDarkhorse: Jones among the American sailors, Captain Borodin among the Russian defectors and Dr. Petrov among the non-defecting Russians.
16	* FirstInstallmentWins: Widely regarded as the best novel -and film- of the Ryan-verse, if not Creator/TomClancy's best (in contest with his second published novel, ''Literature/RedStormRising'')
17	* GeniusBonus:
18	** "I have become Death, destroyer of worlds", an "ancient Hindu text", was also uttered by Oppenheimer during the explosion of the atomic bomb (a fact to which Ramius alludes in the film).
19	** It's mentioned early on in the film that orders have come down directly from the USSR's leader, UsefulNotes/KonstantinChernenko, for the Soviet navy to find and sink the ''Red October'', which is treated by the American characters as a sign of how dire the situation is (before Jack [[SpottingTheThread spots the thread]] and realizes that Ramius actually intends to defect). In real-life Chernenko was in extremely poor health throughout his brief tenure as Soviet leader[[note]](Something which then-Vice President UsefulNotes/GeorgeHWBush saw first-hand at the funeral of Chernenko's predecessor, UsefulNotes/YuriAndropov, and thus wasn't much of a secret even in the west)[[/note]] and delegated most of the important decisions to his subordinates, indicating just how serious things were if the Soviet military actually thought it important enough to be worth bothering him with.
20	* HarsherInHindsight:
21	** The fate of ''Konovalov'' in the book is very close to that of ''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kursk_submarine_disaster Kursk]]'', right up to the rescue buoy being stuck.
22	** Jack's uneasiness with handling a gun, coupled with Ramius explicitly warning him, "Be careful what you shoot at", is quite uncomfortable after Creator/AlecBaldwin fired a gun that was accidentally loaded with real bullets while making the film ''Rust'', killing the cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injuring the director Joel Souza in October 2021, and was later charged with accidental manslaughter. As an eerie coincidence, Hutchins grew up in Murmansk, the site of ''Red October'''s launch within the film.
23	* HilariousInHindsight:
24	** The Soviet [[ThePoliticalOfficer political officer]] who is named ''[[UsefulNotes/VladimirPutin Putin]]''. Who bears a striking resemblance to ol' Vlad, as well as him having been a KGB officer in his youth.
25	** [[spoiler: [[{{Retirony}} Borodin's last words, "I would like to have seen Montana."]]]] A few movies later, [[Film/JurassicPark he did]]. And 28 years later, he still wanted to have [[Film/PeterRabbit a rabbit]] cooked.
26	** Ryan sees the saboteur and remarks "The cook. It's the Goddamned cook!" is funny because just two years later there was [[Film/UnderSiege a major naval movie where the saboteur military cook was the good guy]].
27	** In one scene, Mancuso says "Central Intelligence Agency? Now, there's a contradiction in terms." Creator/ScottGlenn, who plays Mancuso, would star in ''Film/TheBourneUltimatum'' as [[TheManBehindTheMan CIA director Ezra Kramer]]. On top of that, the CIA director he replaces from ''Film/TheBourneSupremacy'', Martin Marshall, is played by Creator/TomasArana, who plays Loginov here (a ''Russian'' secret agent).
28	** It can be funny to see Creator/StellanSkarsgard and Creator/TimCurry act together here as Curry had just starred as Pennywise in ''Film/It1990'' and Skarsgard's son [[Creator/BillSkarsgard Bill]], who would later play Pennywise in ''Film/It2017'', was just born. Even funnier is that, in the film and book, Pennywise comes out of hiding every twenty-seven years and Bill Skarsgard played the role exactly twenty-seven years later. Additionally, Skarsgård's character would find himself at the bottom of the sea, just like [[Franchise/PiratesOfTheCaribbean Bootstrap]].
29	** Ramius says "A little revolution now and then is a healthy thing." A year later, the USSR and the Steel Curtain collapses, with students tearing down the Berlin Wall.
30	** Creator/GatesMcFadden, already known for playing [[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration Dr. Beverly Crusher]], plays Cathy Ryan. In "Film/JackRyanShadowRecruit," Jack himself would be played by [[Creator/ChrisPine Captain]] [[Film/StarTrek2009 Kirk.]]
31	* IdiotBall: An ''Alfa''-class nuclear attack submarine is by design both extremely swift and nimble, whereas the ''Typhoon''-class (the largest submarine class ever built) are half as fast and not nearly as maneuverable. Despite this, at several points in the final battle the ''Typhoon''-class ''Red October'' (while operating on a skeleton crew) outmaneuvers the ''Alfa''-class ''Konovalov'', even managing to get behind the ''Konovalov'' without its captain even noticing. This is analogous to a Lamborghini being outmaneuvered by a school bus, and basically only possible because the ''Konovalov'''s captain is both an "arrogant ass" and colossally incompetent.
32	* MagnificentBastard: [[TheAce Captain Marko Ramius]] is a genius Soviet naval tactician known as the "[[OldMaster Vilnius Schoolmaster]]" for having trained many USSR naval officers. Becoming disillusioned with the Soviet cause after the death of his wife, Ramius uses the launch of the Red October prototype nuclear submarine and its silent "caterpillar drive" to [[DefectorFromCommieLand defect to the United States]] with the rest of his officer staff after murdering ThePoliticalOfficer by [[MakeItLookLikeAnAccident making it look an accident]] and assuring the crew about the "secret nature" of their mission. Ramius' tactical insight allows him to evade both the Soviet and US navies until he can make contact with Jack Ryan, a CIA analyst who managed to decipher Ramius' real intentions. After evacuating the crew by faking a reactor meltdown and disposing of a GRU stowaway, Ramius manages to turn an enemy Soviet submarine's torpedo against itself and successfully defects with the Red October in tow.
33	* MemeticMutation:
34	** "This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we will be lucky to live through it."
35	** "Give me a ping, Vasily. One ping only, please."
36	** "Russians don't take a dump, son, without a plan."
37	** "You've lost ''another'' submarine?"
38	* {{Narm}}: To some native Russian speakers, Creator/SeanConnery speaking Russian in his trademark Scottish accent is ''hilarious''. It's kind of justified in that Connery's character is Lithuanian, so Russian wouldn't be his native language to begin with. Of course, that still doesn't make sense as Baltic accents (Lithuanian and Latvian) sounds nothing like Scottish. Also, Creator/AlecBaldwin's American accent when speaking Russian is so thick as to be unintelligible.
39	* NightmareFuel: The Political Officer's death. Ramius suddenly grabs him and slam him into the table before brutally crushing his windpipe, leaving him to fall onto the floor where's he's lets out a final breath has his face is contorted in a silent scream.
40	* OlderThanTheyThink: The caterpillar drive is very similar to the 'underwater jet' in ''[[Literature/TomSwift Tom Swift Jr. and His Jetmarine]]'', first published in the 1950s
41	* OneSceneWonder:
42	** Rear Admiral Painter (played by actor and Tennessee senator Creator/FredThompson) has a small, but very memorable role in the film.
43	** Creator/JeffreyJones has two scenes as Tyler, who is a subtle MrExposition for BackStory of the Caterpillar tech.
44	* SpecialEffectFailure:
45	** You can see the bluescreened landscape through Creator/AlecBaldwin's hair at the end of the film.
46	** Also, the torpedoes are all-too-obviously animated. Which just goes to show that even Creator/IndustrialLightAndMagic can have an off day.
47	* StockFootageFailure: During the ComingInHot scene mentioned above, the footage of the "[=F-14=] Tomcat" crashing on landing is actually of an [=F9F=] Panther, [[JustPlaneWrong an aircraft that had been retired for almost 30 years at the time the film was set]]. The crash footage had also previously been used in a number of other films.
48	* TearJerker: [[spoiler: "I would have liked to have seen Montana."]]
49	* UnintentionalPeriodPiece:
50	** It's naturally become quite amusing to see how much Creator/TomClancy gushes over then-cutting edge computing technology in 1984, to say nothing of its prominent focus on the UsefulNotes/ColdWar, which at the time had been seeing the highest levels of hostility since the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962.
51	** Like the novel, the film became an inevitable one as a result of its heavy focus on the UsefulNotes/ColdWar, which was technically still occurring at the time. Although the situation had rapidly deescalated between the novel's publication in 1984 and the film's release in 1990 (with the Soviet Union already being a hair's length away from total collapse), the idea of [[MakeTheBearAngryAgain rogue generals being eager to reignite the flames]] was still an open possibility.
52	** Indeed,the ''Magazine/{{Mad}}'' satire of the film ''at the time'' was called "Search For Last October"!

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