Line #30 YMMV/Titans2018


1	!YMMV Tropes For ''Series/Titans2018''
2	!!The following have their own pages:
3	[[index]]
4	* [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation/Titans2018 Alternative Character Interpretation]]
5	* [[HilariousInHindsight/Titans2018 Hilarious In Hindsight]]
6	* [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic/Titans2018 Unintentionally Unsympathetic]]
7	[[/index]]
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9	!!Other examples:
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12	* AbandonShipping: Many longtime BB/Rae shippers abandoned the ship for this specific iteration of the characters when the actors were announced and a large portion of their fanbase were [[NoYay put off by the large age gap]] between Gar and Rachel's actors. Even fans who ''did'' ship these iterations of the two ended up abandoning ship due to her treatment of him in the fifth episode of season 2.
13	* AccidentalInnuendo: It happens between Kory and Dick, in the episode ''Together''.
14	-->'''Kory''': How did you put it earlier? "We can't fight together unless we know each other's moves", right? So you've already seen mine. Now I wanna see yours.
15	** She actually means Dick's combat movements. They still end up having sex a few moments later.
16	* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: From the second the trailer was released and the infamous "fuck Batman" line was heard, the show was a subject of constant ridicule and hatred with many considering it an overly edgy interpretation of a usually fun teenage superhero team that perpetuates the idea that DC is dark and violent. While it had its critics and never shook off this original impression for some, the show did gain a fan base and went on to last four seasons before reaching what its fans agree was a pretty satisfying conclusion.
17	* AngstWhatAngst:
18	** Two notable expamples with Rachel are how she treats her biological and adoptive moms: with Angela, [[spoiler:Rachel doesn't flinch when she walks past her mother's dead corpse twice, though to be fair it turns out she was working with Trigon all along]]; while Melissa gets it even worse, since the poor woman raised and loved Rachel like she was her own child, fully aware of all the danger involved, yet she is treated as if she never existed by her adopted daughter.
19	** Because of his status as the ChewToy and being OutOfFocus, Gar tends to suffer the most trauma but rarely speaks about it. In Season 1 he is tortured by scientists and ends up violently eating one to escape and in the season final he's [[spoiler:beaten almost to death by his mind controlled friends]]. In Season 2 while he brings up these two things, the writers don't do anything and instead he ends up being tortured again [[spoiler:by Cadmus who brainwash him into being a weapon and killing innocents]]. Also it's never acknowledged that he essentially left his surrogate family to help Rachel, Kory and Dick which is what led to all those other traumatic events, and he never seems to express any regret over leaving the Doom Patrol. Even in Season 4, when he learns that [[spoiler:Dr. Caulder was the one responsible for creating the virus that killed his parents and turned him into Beast Boy as part of his plan to seek immortality]], he gets over the whole ordeal rather quickly.
20	** For someone who gave up on a normal life and trampled on her own moral principles, just to be with "daddy" Deathstroke, Rose shown no sadness over [[spoiler:his demise]], nor any angst or internal conflict for being manipulated by him and being lied that [[spoiler: Jericho is dead, when he is very much alive]]. And she got over her [[spoiler:break up with Jason]], quite quickly.
21	** InUniverse, Barbara and Dick note how Bruce quickly dismisses [[spoiler: Jason Todd's death]] as if it never happened, and revealed he did the same thing when [[spoiler: Alfred and Commissioner Gordon died]].
22	* AntiClimaxBoss:
23	** Trigon, the ancient demon so dangerous that an entire alien race devoted themselves to preventing his return by any means necessary, and achieved an apparent TheBadGuyWins at the end of Season 1... is easily disposed of in the Season 2 premiere with Raven simply [[AssPull pulling a new power out of her ass]] to send him back to his own dimension, or maybe even kill him, it’s really not clear. The show runners revealed this was actually intended to be the Season 1 finale until they decided to go with a cliffhanger ending instead. But still, fans rolled their eyes 9 months for such an obvious conclusion. And it gets even worse in Season 4 when they bring him back...[[spoiler:only for Brother Blood to kill him without much trouble]]. [[SarcasmMode Some all-powerful demon.]]
24	** Then there's Deathstroke, who was quickly set up as the main antagonist of season 2 and his threat was felt even when he wasn't around... [[spoiler:only for him to be killed early into the season 2 finale and replaced as the main antagonist by Cadmus Laboratories, who didn't show up until the season's sixth episode.]]
25	** This happens again in Season 3, though it's not to the level of the previous two due to the lacking physical presence. [[spoiler: Scarecrow]] had been spending half the season cleverly working the Titans, [[spoiler: Jason Todd]] and the entire city of Gotham to dance to their tune, always staying one step ahead. However all it really takes to send it all crashing down is the Titans spending one episode not self-destructing and acting normally for their entire operation to be taken out. The only reason they last to the end of the season is a combination of sheer luck and some XanatosSpeedChess to re-right the ship, but they never feel anywhere near close to the threat they were in the first half of Season 3.
26	* ArcFatigue: Dick's transition from Robin to Nightwing takes about two seasons. It would've happened at the end of the first one had the writers not changed their minds at the last moment.
27	* AssPull:
28	** There was no foreshadowing to Gar being able to turn into anything but a tiger, until he transforms into a snake in the Season 2 premiere.
29	** In "Nightwing", after her HeelFaceTurn, Rose declares that [[FamilyOfChoice the Titans are her true family]]. The problem is that the Titans spent the whole Season 2, being mostly huge jerks to each other, threatening each other or breaking apart because of the lies and other unresolved issues of the past, instead of being the [[FamilyOfChoice surrogate family]] they are supposed to be. Beside, she barely has any screentime with them, except for Jason, Dick and Raven. So, is really hard to see why Rose would join and see them as ''family'', when in this regard [[{{Jerkass}} they]] didn't come off too different from [[ManipulativeBastard Slade]].
30	** Starfire spends most of Season 4 pushing that she has to make a HeroicSacrifice to stop Brother Blood, and in the finale, she does...[[spoiler:only to come back a minute later, perfectly fine, with no explanation given as to how she survived or why.]]
31	* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: ''Titans'' has a rich soundtrack, enough to guarantee its own [[AwesomeMusic/Titans2018 page]].
32	* BaseBreakingCharacter:
33	** Dick Grayson. He's either an interesting take on the character whose troubles of being the protege of a more brutal Batman and trying to heal from that pain, or a very dull take on him that repeats plot points throughout the first season and doesn't offer enough to be particularly likable. Even transitioning into Nightwing, his actions in Season 3 where he took [[SpotlightStealingSquad much of the spotlight away from other characters]] and committed further morally questionable acts like [[spoiler:knocking out Krypto and Conner with Kryptonite]] has caused more turmoil, but whether or not Season 4 walks things back enough is equally as big of a debate.
34	** Rachel Roth. While she's an undeniably sympathetic character, many fans have pointed to her uncharacteristic abuse of Garfield throughout the second season, and seeming lack of real focus in the first season despite arguably being the ''most'' important character story-wise(likely due to the season spending most of its time focusing on Dick) as being good reasons to not like her. Her sorta {{squick}}y romantic subtext with Gar only makes this worse.
35	* BizarroEpisode: The flashbacks in 3x06 involve Barbara working as a thief, despite saying what she wants to do is do real good in the world, and Dick joining her for a two week crime spree where they execute high tech robberies from museums. It is unclear when in Dick's established timeline this takes place, nothing like this has ever been mentioned before, and it does not connect to anything going on in the present, aside from Lady Vic's vendetta with Barbara.
36	* CantUnhearIt: Much like Creator/RonPerlman and Creator/ManuBennett before him, Creator/EsaiMorales’ portrayal of Slade has been praised and been very warmly received by the fan base. Of note is his excellent, very coldblooded and physical performance as he takes the taciturn Slade and makes him terrifying without saying much at all.
37	* CaptainObviousReveal: Given Jason's use of a drug to control his fear, [[spoiler: the reveal that Scarecrow was the one guiding him]] came as no surprise.
38	* CatharsisFactor:
39	** Hank savagely beating his pedophiliac coach, Vincent, to death for [[WouldHitAGirl hurting Dawn]] and [[RapeAsDrama for raping]] [[WouldHurtAChild him as a child.]] After Dawn discovers pictures of kids in his laptop and decides to watch Hank deal with him, his fate was sealed. [[AssholeVictim And. it. is. satisfying.]]
40	** Raven defeating Trigon in the Season 2 premiere, given all the horrible things he and his influence put her through during the entirety of the first season.
41	** For fans who find her to be UnintentionallyUnsympathetic, Gar calling Rachel out on being a {{Hypocrite}} in season 2 episode 5 is this, even if it she immediately lashes out at him again afterward.
42	** Likewise, for those who have a [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation less than positive]] view on Dawn's character, watching Hank realize how toxic their relationship might actually be (coming to the conclusion that they're essentially using each other and crime fighting as unhealthy coping mechanisms for their traumas) and proceeding to [[spoiler:break up with her in order to try and figure things out on his own]] made more than a few fans happy. Watching her angry reaction to [[spoiler:him calling it quits]] is especially fun to watch for those who find her UnintentionallyUnsympathetic.
43	** Bruce [[spoiler: killing the Joker (albeit offscreen) for murdering Jason Todd]]. It's true that he considers this a personal MoralEventHorizon, and he even admits [[spoiler: Joker was cackling that he finally won his little game]], but damn if it wasn't satisfying that [[spoiler: the TropeNamer for JokerImmunity finally got what was coming to him.]]
44	** Gar getting fed up with Kory always attacking him while she's in a trance despite always him trying to help her and the other Titans. The last straw is when she throws him in the trunk of her car and drives him out to the middle of nowhere. He becomes so distraught with all the shit happening that he [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech chews out]] Kory for her and the other Titans not pulling their shit together, which leads to him always paying for it. OOCIsSeriousBusiness at its finest.
45	* CompleteMonster:
46	** [[BigRedDevil Trigon]], BigBad of season one, is the evil, world-destroying demon that the Organization worships, and is actually the [[ArchnemesisDad father]] of Rachel Roth and the source of her dark powers. Trigon seeks to use his own daughter as a gateway to cross back into the world, using his cult of personality the Organization to butcher and torture swathes of people and having her mother Angela Azarath manipulate Rachel into his clutches. Once he crosses through, Trigon proceeds to MindRape almost all of Rachel's friends into his broken slaves, having them beat Gar into a bloody pulp to shatter Rachel's heart before literally tearing Rachel's heart out of her chest. Trigon even breaks Angela's neck to "housekeep" before he prepares to set out to swallow the Earth in darkness, devastating it of life and continuing on to [[OmnicidalManiac destroy all life in the universe]].
47	** "[[Recap/TitansS1E9HankAndDawn Hank and Dawn]]": [[WouldHurtAChild Vincent]], Hank Hall's old [[CreepyGymCoach gym coach]], proves himself [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters far worse]] than even many superpowered characters, preying on his young students to molest them at his whim. Vincent goads Hank's young brother into his clutches by threatening to have Hank expelled from his prestigious school, raping Hank instead when he substitutes himself. A laptop discovered in the present day reveals he has pictures of [[SerialRapist countless other kids]] he'd targeted before him.
48	* CreatorsPet: This accusation has been thrown at Dawn/Dove II starting in season 2. The writers portray her as a [[CharacterShilling pinnacle of morality]], Dick and Hank [[RomanticPlotTumor are both deeply in love with her,]] and she keeps [[CharacterFocus getting inserted into plotlines that have very little to do with her,]] often at the expense of other characters getting screen time during scenes that they should logically be in. Her being portrayed as a MoralityPet to Dick and Hank has been met with eyerolls, due to her characterization coming off far more like an example of ToxicFriendInfluence who encourages them to do questionable things (such as encouraging Dick to "be Batman") only to backtrack when things don't go her way and act like [[NeverMyFault they're the only guilty parties]] despite having [[{{Hypocrite}} previously encouraged their actions or behaviors.]] Tellingly, Season 3 sees this behavior land her in big trouble when her actions [[spoiler: results in Hank's death, which causes her to leave the team almost immediately afterwards, being written out of the series altogether]].
49	* CreepyAwesome: Slade is walking NightmareFuel, but this is the thing that makes the fandom give him the DracoInLeatherPants treatment. His general creepiness, the genuine threat he represents, the psychological traumas he is capable inflicting on others, and the fact he is similar in some aspects with his most [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans2003 popular iteration]] made many people embrace his appearance from the very beginning.
50	* DesignatedHero: Most of the Titans that aren't Gar and Conner tend to fall into this, as many of the characters are often [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic unsympathetic]] due to blaming others for their problems and treating each other unfairly. It doesn't help that despite being a superhero team, they are rarely shown to do anything actually heroic such as saving people and instead a number of them tend to get away with doing a number of questionable things. Season 3 and 4 however does try to avert this, with the first episode showing the team actually fighting crime, though some characters are still difficult to like.
51	* EnsembleDarkHorse:
52	%%** The FauxAffablyEvil Nuclear Family.
53	** Donna Troy's cheerful disposition and PlatonicLifePartners chemistry with Dick had many fans hoping that she'll be a regular for Season 2 - which wound up being the case. And although she drew criticism for some of her actions in the second season, [[spoiler:her death was universally panned, with the hints of [[DisneyDeath her return]] doing little to dispel the backlash from losing her and how she died. Thankfully, season 3 has her back for good.]]
54	** While they only made a minor appearance in one episode, the Doom Patrol were ''beloved'' by viewers. Their eventual spin-off has received nothing but praise from fans.
55	** Garth quickly became a fan-favorite thanks to his NiceGuy personality, and because just being around him [[TheHeart helped the original Titans to act better]]. [[spoiler:His death was not well-received as a result, though most did predict it in advance.]]
56	* EvilIsCool:
57	** ComicBook/{{Deathstroke}} the Terminator made quite the impression on fans thanks to his intimidating presence, his awesome costume design, and his clever manipulation of the Titans without even having to be in the room with them. Naturally, [[spoiler: fans were displeased when he died at the end of Season 2, and hope [[HesJustHiding he's really alive somewhere]]]].
58	** [[spoiler: Red Hood]] manages to show that [[spoiler: Jason Todd]] TookALevelInBadass and really play up his manipulative side by [[spoiler: getting Dawn to accidentally kill Hank through a clever BatmanGambit]]. It also helps that he has an excellent costume design and an intimidating vocal modulator.
59	* FandomRivalry:
60	** To say that fans of the [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans2003 animated series]] have been critical of this series' tone would be a massive understatement. Those defending it have been just as vocal, especially in saying that the series' tone is just as true to the comics and the series shouldn't be expected to copy the animated series, especially when the animated series deviated from the comics in a lot of ways.
61	** There's also a minor one with fans of the DCEU as Ryan Potter had campaigned to play Tim Drake in the solo Batman film and those who are keen on the idea are worried that his role here will prevent him from playing a part in the films. Furthermore, there are a number of DCEU fans upset that the show has been critically praised despite sharing the same dark and gritty first impressions.
62	** The Series/{{Arrowverse}} also came in for some thanks to Warner Brothers inexplicably allowing the show to use Deathstroke, shortly after they'd made a big deal about how ''Arrow'' couldn't use him anymore because they wanted to put him in the DCEU and the fans couldn't possibly accept two simultaneous versions of the character.
63	* FanNickname: Many fans have slapped this show's version of Koriand'r with the unfortunate nickname of "Hookerfire" due to her [[WTHCostumingDepartment poorly-received outfit]] strongly resembling a prostitute.
64	* FriendlyFandoms:
65	** With the ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice2010'' fanbase, since this show and ''Outsiders'' are the first two originals announced for the Creator/DCUniverse streaming service. It also helps that both franchises were [[ScrewedByTheNetwork screwed over]] by Turner-owned networks; Creator/{{TNT}} backed out of ''Titans'', while Creator/CartoonNetwork cancelled ''Young Justice'' (and nearly every other DC-based show). Many are looking forward to both shows, and often share the same communities.
66	** The Series/{{Arrowverse}} fandom has warmly welcomed the show, especially ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' fans who are hoping that Creator/ManuBennett's Slade Wilson could be {{transplant}}ed over. But that will never happen because Creator/EsaiMorales was cast to play Deathstroke in Season 2.
67	** There's also a bit of overlap with Franchise/{{DC\|ExtendedUniverse}}EU fans who have defended the show's tone as being [[TruerToTheText closer to the original run]] in the same way that they have for the films. Both have been hit with criticism for their similarly gritty and serious tone, so fans who like the DCEU ''for'' this aspect are just as interested in the show. Many DCEU fans have also noted the parallels between that version of Bruce and the Titans version of Dick and appreciate the show for them.
68	** There's a considerable overlap between fans of ''Series/Titans2018'' and fans of ''Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse'' shows such as ''Series/Daredevil2015'' and ''Series/JessicaJones2015''. In light of the news that the former (along with several other MCU shows) has been cancelled despite strong critical and audience reception, many ''Daredevil'' fans are rooting for ''Titans'' to continue the trend of gritty, mature superhero shows with serialized storytelling.
69	** On the other hand, those who were fans of [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans2003 Teen Titans Slade]] welcomed this show version of him very warmly. For them, this is what animated Slade would have been if not for the age restrictions. Both versions of Slade seem to inspire same creepiness, cool factor and menacing presence that made the character one of the most chilling villains ever.
70	* GeniusBonus: Rose and Jason quote ''West Side Story'', which is a modern-day retelling of Romeo and Juliet in which a girl and a guy tied to rival street gangs fall in love. Their relationship is torn apart by the conflicts between their friends and families. Which reflects their situation in the show with the whole "Titans vs Deathstroke".
71	* HarsherInHindsight:
72	** All of Dick's hatred towards Bruce in Season #1 becomes completely unsympathetic after the reveal that Bruce was nowhere near as bad as Dick had claimed.
73	*** Of course the premiere of Season 3 more-or-less rectifies this hatred when we learn more about the specifics of how Bruce operates.
74	** Dick encourages Jason Todd to remove the tracking beacon in his forearm, that Batman place there. Jason, in the comics, gets beaten to death by Joker, because Batman couldn’t locate him fast enough to save him.
75	** For the better or the worse, one of the main reasons Jason Todd is so popular is his deep hatred of cops. Jason implied that during his days as a street kid, he was a victim of police brutality, therefore, when he brutally attacked some cops for no other reason then the fact that he could, the fandom cheered up for him. This takes a darker turn with the rise of riots against police brutality that have erupted across the United States in the summer of 2020, following the death of George Floyd in police custody.
76	** The Season 1 finale "Dick Grayson" has Trigon put Dick in a dream future where Jim Gordon and Alfred are dead and Batman kills the Joker. [[spoiler:These events eventually come true as of "Barbara Gordon", the premiere in Season 3.]]
77	*** It also overlaps with ''Series/Batwoman2019'', as it strongly implies that [[spoiler: Bruce killed the Joker in that series for causing the death of his Aunt and (apparently) his cousin, which is why he ran off and never came back (though it's never outright confirmed). This series does the exact same thing, only Jason is the one that bites it, and Bruce is actually seen running off for this very reason.]]
78	*** And now, with ComicBook/BatmanChipZdarsky's #135th issue, [[spoiler:Joker may have come BackFromTheDead when the Red Mask resurrects all the other deceased Jokers (i.e. Creator/JackNicholson's Joker, the DCAU Joker) across the multiverse.]]
79	** Season three highlights Bruce's manipulative and callous behaviour, emphasizing that Dick choosing to forgive him in season two does not mean that he was wrong in his assessment of Bruce's flaws. Even he is shocked by just how bad some of Bruce's behaviour is. This makes it harder to watch their scenes together in season two, especially the scene where Bruce offers his condolences after Donna's death, which parallels Dick trying to do the same after Jason's.
80	* SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct:
81	** Creator/BrentonThwaites quickly won over many of the viewers that were skeptical before the first episode aired and delivered a much more nuanced performance than people anticipated from his previous body of work. Even those who hate the show have admitted he's a pretty good actor.
82	** Curran Walters was received very cold when he was cast as Jason Todd, especially by those who couldn't see other Jason Todd than Jensen Ackles interpretation. Most were surprised by his very natural acting and think he did a good job by the way he brought to life such a controversial character as Jason Todd. People consider the scenes where Jason [[spoiler:tried to kill himself]] and the one where [[spoiler:he breaks down in tears as he learns the truth about Rose]] to be Curran's best performances. He also manages to nail the intimidating factor and the arrogant swagger of [[spoiler: the Red Hood]] effortlessly
83	** Despite the initial poor response to her wardrobe and wig, Creator/AnnaDiop surprised a lot of viewers with her charismatic performance, excellent chemistry with Brenton Thwaites, skill with comedy and handling of the more dramatic moments. She has even been cited by some critics as the breakout star of the ensemble.
84	* HesJustHiding: What some fans theorizes about [[spoiler:Deathstroke's demise]] in the season 2 finale. It doesn't help that he was [[WhatCouldHaveBeen supposed]] to be shown [[spoiler:alive, on a hospital bed]]. Alas, [[spoiler:while he did return in season 4, it was as a zombie reanimated by May Bennett, confirming he had indeed died after plans to show his survival were scrapped]].
85	* HoYay:
86	** Hank and Garth in the WholeEpisodeFlashback have a few moments.
87	** Jason is very rough around the edges to just about everyone other than Gar, who he's actually very sweet to the majority of the time. Notable examples include Jay very softly assuring Gar that when he's talking about "rejects" he's referring to himself and not Gar, and Rose referring to Jason as "your boy" when talking to Gar.
88	** Kory and Donna can be read with a certain amount of LesYay.
89	** Pretty much the only character Rose opens up to in the first three episodes of season 2 is Rachel.
90	** Jericho and Dick. Out of all OG Titans, Jericho was the closest to Dick. In episode 2x11, Dick's own hallucination of Bruce insinuate that Dick loved Jericho.
91	** Jason Todd bonding with Superboy/Conner Kent after he saved his life.
92	** In the episode where Jason meets Hank and Dawn, Jason compliments one of them as "Babe". Hank laughs, thanking that Jason was referring to him before realizing Jason was actually flirting with Dawn.
93	-->'''Jason''': Present and accounted for, babe.
94	-->'''Hank''': ''(laughs)''
95	-->'''Dawn''': Babe?
96	-->'''Hank''': ''(Realizes what's going on)'' What did you say?
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100	* IKnewIt:
101	** Once the trailer for episode 11 was released, a lot of fans predicted that many of the events would be Trigon giving Dick hallucinations.
102	** In Japan, some fans predicted either Creator/YuukiKaji or anyone else from the Japanese voice cast from ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'' would end working in the dub of this series due to the sole name of the show. Not only they got it right on the former, he also managed to voice Robin, the leader of the titular team.[[note]]Albeit he already voiced Robin before in ''Anime/BatmanNinja''.[[/note]]
103	* JerksAreWorseThanVillains: Both Deathstroke the Terminator and [[spoiler: Jason Todd, aka Red Hood]] are both some of the deadliest and manipulative foes the Titans have ever faced, are {{Hero Killer}}s responsible for the respective deaths of [[spoiler: Aqualad and Hawk]]--and both are equally more likable than the titular team, who treat each other like crap in spite of claiming they're "family", drove [[spoiler: Jason]] to near suicide for something he didn't even do, most [[NeverMyFault refuse to recognize their responsibility for their role in those two targeting them]], and had many UnintentionallyUnsympathetic moments throughout the show. Thus, it's much easier to see why two deadly assassins would want the Titans to pay for their mistakes.
104	* JerkassWoobie:
105	** Hank/Hawk is a JerkJock with a HiddenHeartOfGold, who not only couldn't pursue a college football career due to getting [[CareerEndingInjury knocked in the head]] a few too many times, but also lost his little brother and [[SiblingTeam former partner]] in a freak road accident, and even had to deal with years of sexual abuse as a child.
106	** Jason Todd is a teenager who's dealing with the negatives of being a LegacyCharacter and by season 2 is suffering from a InferioritySuperiorityComplex and worries that his new adoptive father sent him with his new AloofBigBrother because he's a "reject." Then, while trying to prove himself to the older Titans, who have been keeping him, Gar, and Rachel out of the loop, [[spoiler:he gets kidnapped and tortured by Deathstroke, and would have died if not for Superboy’s timely intervention]]. Subsequently, Jason [[spoiler:winds up suffering PTSD after his near death experience]]. This only gets worse when the other Titans [[spoiler: wrongfully accuse him of messing with them (when Deathstroke is the one pulling the strings) and almost commits suicide until Dick stops him.]] Then he flees back to Gotham, only to learn that [[spoiler: Rose was tasked by her father to pull everyone's strings and storms off in a huff, left even more angry that he was played like that.]] It gets so bad that by Season 3, he willingly disobeys orders by Bruce not to [[spoiler: track down the Joker, instead using an experimental drug he made himself to suppress his fear and gets himself killed by the Clown Prince of Crime.]] Considering the first thing he does as [[spoiler: Red Hood]] is target the Titans and [[spoiler: play them for chumps]], it's hard not to see why he's so angry at them.
107	* JustHereForGodzilla:
108	** A number of ComicBook/DoomPatrol fans have announced that they plan to watch up to the episode where the [[Series/DoomPatrol2019 titular team]] is introduced, and check out the moment it's over (as well as any future episodes in which the Patrol appear.)
109	** A similar reaction was had by fans of Donna Troy and Jason Todd since the former is very rarely used outside of the comics and the latter is rarely used as Robin, with his time as part of the legacy often being skipped over outside the comics if not completely ignored in favor of portraying either Tim Drake or Damian Wayne sooner. Though sadly, many were disappointed in the former's less than appealing personality in Season 2, but the number of people who tune in for Jason has only ''[[EnsembleDarkhorse increased]]!''
110	** Some fans are only interested in the episodes that focus on Hank and Dawn, due to finding the BattleCouple more interesting than the core 4 characters. That is, until [[TookALevelInJerkass Season 2]].
111	** Fans who find Dick and Rachel, who are arguably the two driving forces of the plot, to be UnintentionallyUnsympathetic watch the show for Gar and Kory instead. However, after the actions of the latter during Season #2, this group has mostly disappeared.
112	** Many people who were [[BrokenBase not very pleased]] by Season 2, still watched the season just to see if Creator/BrentonThwaites' ass makes him worth of being [[spoiler:Nightwing]].
113	* KarmicOverkill: At the end of season 3, [[spoiler: while Scarecrow is already locked up and helpless, Dick allows Raven to overflow his mind with unspeakable horrors, perpetually trapping his psyche in what is practically a bad acid trip for eternity. As he screams in hysterical terror, Dick and Raven walk away happily. Though, he probably deserved it, it still seems unnecessarily unheroic.]]
114	* LauncherOfAThousandShips:
115	** [[MrFanservice Dick Grayson]], to nobody's big surprise. He is shipped with people of any gender: Dawn, Kory, Jericho, Jason.
116	** To a lesser extend, Jason Todd, who is shipped with Rose, Gar and Conner most of time.
117	* MemeticMutation:
118	** "''Fuck'' Franchise/{{Batman}}".[[labelnote:Explanation]]This quickly caught attention because of how odd it seems for someone like Dick Grayson to drop the F-bomb, and just hearing the phrase sounded funny. And the comedic Jason Todd teaser added to the fire by opening the possibility that Dick was saying it entirely because he found out the new Robin gets to drive the Batmobile.[[/labelnote]]
119	** "[[FanNickname Hookerfire]]" (or referring to Starfire as resembling a hooker in general). [[labelnote:Explanation]]Set photos of Starfire's [[WTHCostumingDepartment downright embarrassing]] costume were quickly stuck with this moniker by fans, since the combination of cheap-looking flimsy dress, long stockings, and garish fur coat combo makes her bear an unfortunate resemblance to, well, a streetwalker.[[/labelnote]]
120	** Dick's frightened reaction to seeing Gar's tiger form for the first time.
121	** Dick leaves the group, ''again.''
122	** The scene of Negative Man/Larry cooking is beloved by fans.
123	** "How many [[LegacyCharacter Robins]] are there?" Sometimes followed by an image of one of the many various Batmans saying "Not enough."
124	** Begging the showrunners to show Wally West/The Flash, Garth/Aqualad/Tempest, and Roy Harper/Speedy/Arsenal/Red Arrow for just one episode so they can team up with Dick and Donna for some "Fab Five" content in increasingly desperate ways. Became a bit of a DiscreditedMeme after [[spoiler:Garth's death.]]
125	** New Wigs!
126	** Jason Todd constantly annoying others. Some people even [[https://marsapartment.tumblr.com/post/187653939931/jason-todd-is-so-small-but-his-ability-to-piss made videos of him being annoying]].
127	** Jason reaction is all heart eyes over Rose Wilson before even meeting her for beating, well, cops.[[labelnote:Explanation]]Jason himself hates the cops with a burning passion and even beaten the shit out of them with a sadistic pleasure.[[/labelnote]]
128	** Deathstroke the "Another adaptation". [[labelnote:Explanation]]Slade got many adaptations in the last 5 years.[[/labelnote]]
129	* MisaimedFandom: The show places heavy emphasis on Bruce's flaws, both as a man and as a parent, especially in terms of how his emotional distance and induction of young Dick into crime fighting was deeply harmful. This is true even though he also has positive qualities and Dick reconciled with him after accepting that he tried his best. However, fandom was quick to take his side of the story, as presented in season two, as completely accurate, dismissing Dick's reaction as just a grown man's refusal to take responsibility for his actions, rather than the legitimate grievances of someone that was raised to be a vigilante growing to hate the way he was raised.
130	* MisBlamed: The reaction to Anna Diop's casting as Starfire led to many claiming that the character was being racelifted for diversity's sake (despite the fact that Starfire is an orange alien who is sometimes depicted as a dark orange). [[http://thathashtagshow.com/2017/06/exclusive-character-breakdowns-for-dcs-titans/ However, casting call leaks show that the audition was "open ethnicity".]]
131	* MoralEventHorizon:
132	** InUniverse, Bruce thinks he crossed this when [[spoiler: he finally kills the Joker after the clown kills Jason Todd]], convincing him he's no longer worthy of wielding the cowl and passing the mantle to Dick.
133	** Whatever sympathy the Titans may have had left for [[spoiler: Jason Todd]] dissipates when he [[spoiler: manipulates Dawn into detonating the trigger to a bomb in Hank's chest, killing him in the process.]]
134	* {{Narm}}:
135	** Beast Boy's tiger form is undoubtedly impressive for a TV show, but by the fourth or fifth time in a row he uses it, it becomes painfully clear that the show is just trying to reuse the model to keep the effects budget down. And it really doesn't help that in some scenes, [[SpecialEffectFailure the lighting makes it painfully obvious how fake it is]].
136	** The EstablishingTeamShot of the Titans finally standing together after their first fight as a team would've be awesome, except that Starfire didn't actually take part in the fighting and only got knocked around mere seconds ago.
137	** Rose's first scene, fighting a bunch of cops who apparently are under the impression that their guns are just weird-shaped clubs, with not a single bullet being fired.
138	** Raven's evil-self that appears via reflection sometimes speaks like a school bully rather than a demonic entity that's trying to force her into embracing her demonic heritage.
139	*** Likewise, Rachel constantly talking about her "dark side/darkness" is this for some fans.
140	** The season 1 finale spends the vast majority of its time setting up Dick's [[spoiler:eventual possession by Trigon.]] It also sets up Hank, Dawn, Donna, Kory, and Jason as the cavalry. Come the first season 2 episode, the characters who were hinted to be the much hyped BigDamnHeroes not only don't fulfill that role, but the five of them get [[spoiler:possessed]] almost hilariously fast in comparison to Dick. (Again, Dick had an entire episode, whereas all five of them last, at most, three minutes each). The two worst has to be the reveal that [[spoiler:Hank and Dawn are drug addicts (and Trigon using that as a way to control them)]], an aspect of their characters that had [[AssPull absolutely no foreshadowing]], and Kory [[spoiler:immediately deciding to just off the fake Raven despite her clearly pre-established desire to protect her and horror she felt the last time she attacked the girl.]] The fact that this was somewhat meant to be the Season 1 finale, it's like they didn't take the time to properly rewrite it.
141	** The way Minka Kelly borderline whispers nearly all of her dialogue as Dawn is this for many viewers.
142	** Despite Curran's amazing delivering, in the scene [[spoiler: where Jason breaks up with Rose]], having the character saying "huh" after every proposition looks a little like overkill.
143	** [[TheBigGuy Hank]] being incapacitated by [[spoiler:Jason Todd]] of all people is TheWorfEffect taken to new and hilarious levels. Alan Ritchson is a big, ''big'' dude, while [[spoiler:Curran Walters]] is... not.
144	* NarmCharm:
145	** In the episode "Origins", despite the flashbacks to when Dick first went to live with Bruce, we don't actually see Bruce's face or see him interact with Dick. The extent of the efforts to keep him out of sight verges on ridiculous, but as Batman has always been portrayed as rather dramatic, it comes across as enjoyably so.
146	** Jason and Rose quoting a song from ''Theatre/WestSideStory'' may look silly at first, but is cheesy in a heartwarming kind of way; mainly because it adds depth to both characters while developing dynamics they never had in the comics.
147	** Eve's escape from Cadmus Labs is by simply grabbing hold of Krypto and letting him rocket her through a window manages to be completely ridiculous and yet makes perfect sense. The SpecialEffectFailure adds to the goofy charm, too.
148	* NauseaFuel:
149	** For people who are afraid of blood, the various blood effects can be this. We also get to see a few charred bodies thanks to Kory's powers. However, after awhile the blood effects go from gross [[NightmareRetardant to sort of hilarious]] thanks to how overdone they are.
150	** The scene where the pedo coach tries to manipulate a young Don and Hank into being alone with him is skin crawling; even worse since it's clear that Hank knows exactly what is going on and ends up sacrificing himself to molestation to save Don from it, with implication that this isn't the first time this has happened to him.
151	** Rose's empty eye socket is shown very graphic in episode 2x03. [[{{Squick}} Yuck.]]
152	* NewerThanTheyThink: Somewhat conversely with the below-mentioned OlderThanTheyThink, but a lot of fans have professed how dark the Titans comics are to justify the edgy tone of the initial trailer. While the classic Wolfman-Perez run was ''mature'', grittiness to the extent shown is more something associated with the runs of the 2000s period, where there were frequent character deaths and shocking storylines. Another thing that's also not noted is that this period of DarkerAndEdgier was generally considered a ''AudienceAlienatingEra'' to fans of the older runs.
153	* NoYay: Quite a large portion of viewers have admitted that the hints of a possible Beast Boy/Raven relationship happening down the road grosses them out due to the large age difference between the actors (there is almost a 10 year difference between Ryan Potter and Creator/TeaganCroft, and Croft is also noticeably a minor). Even some BB/Rae shippers from the comics and the 2003 cartoon have admitted discomfort due to this. (Of course, this hasn't stopped ''everyone'' from shipping the two together).
154	** The vast majority of the fandom seems to be against the idea of shipping Superboy with anyone due to him being described several times along the lines of, "the world's most deadly infant," in a variety of ways by others in-universe. The fanbase at large seem to be hoping that the writer's won't give him a love interest until at least season 3, with hopes that will be enough time to get some life experience under his belt.
155	* ObviousJudas: [[SarcasmMode We totally did not expect]] for [[spoiler: Rose]] to be the [[TheMole new Terra]], from the very beginning!
156	* OlderThanTheyThink:
157	** The idea of ''Titans'' being DarkerAndEdgier and skewing towards the R-rated is not unique to this show, it's just that due to AdaptationDisplacement that it's often seen that way and has even [[LostInImitation bled into later runs]] in the actual comics. Despite them, there were many dark and mature aspects of the story that wasn't meant for kids in any possible way, with some runs being excessively violent. It's most likely that ''this'' is where ''Titans'' is taking their influence from rather than the impact of the animated series, which in turn helps distinguish itself while utilizing the freedom of the streaming service.
158	** Dick Grayson's [[RageAgainstTheMentor attitude towards Batman]] is also hardly new, as this was the status quo in TheNineties, before they eventually reconciled in his [[ComicBook/{{Nightwing}} solo series]], and in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'' after he left and became Nightwing.
159	*** Similarly, Dick's serious and brooding attitude is not unusual for the character. While he is generally portrayed as the most well adjusted of the family, with much better social skills and ability to balance the parts of himself than Bruce has, this was the result of a great deal of character development over years, not the starting point of the character. His learning to lighten up was a major part of the Titans comics in the 80s, and he has struggled immensely with balancing his personal life with his vigilante career, to the point of flunking most of his classes because he was too busy being Robin and later, altogether giving up on day jobs for his civilian identity so that he could dedicate all his time to protecting Gotham.
160	** Although the short hair Starfire is wearing ''is'' new, Starfire having curly hair, on the other hand, is something that was present in her early years.[[note]]albeit it was not the same type as she's seen wearing here, and instead was EightiesHair.[[/note]] Thanks to AdaptationDisplacement from a combination of her portrayal in the comics in recent years and both [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans2003 animated]] [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo series]], more people are likely to associate her with the straight hair she's shown having in those (most prominently the 2003 series).
161	*** On another note of AdaptationDisplacement, some fans are lambasting Starfire's signature power being colored orange and resembling blasts of fire instead of the green energy that she utilized in the 2003 series. The truth of the matter is that Starfire's blasts have been portrayed as numerous colors over the ages, from the familiar green to pink to even the orange color being complained about and additionally there have been numerous times her powers have resembled flames as well.
162	*** Starfire's use of lethal force has gotten some criticism as being out of character. However, the comic book version has never followed the no killing rule.
163	** There was also some backdraft against Raven's [[AmazingTechnicolorPopulation lack of grey skin]]. Again, this is a case of AdaptationDisplacement; originally, she had tan skin.
164	** Some fans have stated confusion with Dawn's lack of pacifism, something the Dove character is considered famous for... However that trait was very specifically Don's. Dawn was from the get-go ready and willing to hurt the villains she fought, only gaining pacifistic behavior when later writers began treating her as a DistaffCounterpart to Don.
165	** There are fans who groaned at the show's version of Bruce Wayne [[AdaptationDyeJob being blonde]]. Creator/IainGlen is actually not the first blonde actor to play the Dark Knight -- that was the late Creator/AdamWest in [[Series/Batman1966 the famous 60s TV show]].
166	** More than a few fans reacted with confusion about Gar only being able to turn into a tiger, with most chalking it up to a limitation in the special effects budget. It may actually be a reference to how in most continuities, when he first gets his powers, Gar typically can't turn into more than a small handful of animals for a time. It could ''also'' be a reference to ComicBook/TeenTitansEarthOne, where he seems to only be able to turn into a strange werecat form. However, [[spoiler:after turning into a snake with no difficulty in Season #2]], it becomes pretty obvious it really is just due to a low budget not allowing them to have more models for his transformations.
167	** Hank's hostile reaction to Jason is not something new the show runners created just for drama. This is in line with their relationship in the comics. In 1986’s ‘The New Teen Titans’ #20, Donna Troy had to put a team of substitute Teen Titans together, including Jason Todd (who'd only recently become Robin) and Hank Hall (who was still processing his brother Don’s death). Hawk belittled Jason at every turn, making it clear he saw the teen as nothing more than a unseasoned rookie.
168	* OneSceneWonder: Creator/TitusWelliver only has a few scenes as Lex Luthor before his death, but he does a good job at showing Lex's charisma and intelligence and making it clear why he's so feared, even by Batman.
169	* PlatonicWritingRomanticReading: Several cases of WordOfSaintPaul, most noticeably from Gar's actor, Ryan Potter, has indicated that Gar and Rachel are supposed to be LikeBrotherAndSister. However, many of their interactions in the first season, as well as several moments in the first few episodes of season 2, are written in ways that are far more common of the "outsider teen romance" genre. Not helping is that Kory seems to [[ShipperOnDeck ship them in-universe.]]
170	* QuestionableCasting:
171	** Raven being played by thirteen-year-old Creator/TeaganCroft has gotten this reaction, as people feel she's ''too'' young for the character who is traditionally around sixteen, especially given the age gap with her fellow cast members. Keeping her romantic tension with the significantly older Beast Boy also creates a fair amount of {{Squick}} in their interactions that could have been completely avoided with either casting an older actress or cutting that aspect of their relationship out, with little effect on the overall narrative.
172	** Anna Diop as Starfire has gotten significant backlash too, even by people who don't mind her skin color, noting that Starfire has been depicted with darker skin in comics before. Sadly, this doesn't negate the fact that the actress had to deal with months and months of brutal racist, colorist and sexist online harassment (leading her to temporarily deactivate her social media accounts) because of the fandoms displeasure with her race and ethnicity, as well as her wig and outfit, all aspects she had no control over but was instead the fault of costuming (see below).
173	** A partial case with Creator/IainGlen as Bruce Wayne. He was eagerly welcomed as a great choice upon being announced, but then the Season 2 trailer revealed he was NotEvenBotheringWithTheAccent, meaning we now have to deal with an inexplicably Scottish-accented Bruce.
174	* RomanticPlotTumor: The general consensus among the fan base is that the love triangle between Hank, Dawn, and Dick is not only annoying due to being badly written, but completely unnecessary. The boys are completely head-over-heels in love with her (with it being stated that she's "the one that got away" for Dick) but (as described in AlternativeCharacterInterpretation, CreatorsPet, and UnintentionallyUnsympathetic) she comes off as an incredibly [[ToxicFriendInfluence toxic]], [[ManipulativeBitch manipulative]] cheater; leading many fans to wonder what Dick and Hank [[WhatDoesSheSeeInHim even see in her.]] There's also the fact that Dawn feels like a [[DerailingLoveInterests plot-induced roadblock]] to Dick getting together with Kory, who he's been heavily [[ShipTease teased]] with since meeting her, and it feels like the writers were attempting to add a bunch of unnecessary drama in an already dramatic show.
175	* RootingForTheEmpire:
176	** [[spoiler:The episode "Bruce Wayne" offers perhaps the show's biggest KickTheDog moment yet for the heroes. Deathstroke hides in the tower and screws around with the Titans by placing around items from bad past memories, and who do they accuse first? Jason Todd, who just got out of a lingering near-death experience that he relives through day dreaming, and laying into him drives him to almost jump off the roof. Fans who aren't quick to forgive them probably wouldn't mind Deathstroke making them suffer.]]
177	** Considering all the crap that they put him through in Season 2, it's easy to root for [[spoiler: Jason Todd]] when he becomes [[spoiler: the Red Hood]] and [[spoiler: manipulates Dawn into accidentally killing Hank]] by [[BatmanGambit playing her own]] [[HolierThanThou attitude]] [[BatmanGambit against her]]. It also helps that she's viewed as a CreatorsPet and TheScrappy amongst fans, which makes her and the Titans losing to [[spoiler: Jason]] less like a tragedy and more like LaserGuidedKarma for what they did to him.
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181	* TheScrappy:
182	** Dawn Granger. Since Season 2 started, she slowly lost a lot of fans most probably because of her HolierThanThou attitude, for being a cheater with toxic influence on both Dick and Hank and for clearly becoming a CreatorsPet. A huge part of the Titans fandom was displeased with her increasing screen time, while the showrunners put aside characters that are more related to the main plot than her, like Rachel, Gar and Rose. She winds up getting a TakeThatScrappy moment in Season 3, where this exact behavior causes [[spoiler:Hank's death when she impulsively tries to save him. She winds up being PutOnABus in the next episode.]]
183	*** The subplot also has in turn made Hank less than liked among fans, due to his OutOfCharacter behavior and generally making quite a few stupid decisions. He does get a moment of reflection in Season 3 where he admits how bad he screwed up, but [[spoiler: these prove to be his last moments before Dawn gets him killed.]]
184	** Trigon, who after a season of build-up is dealt away with after just one episode, leaving close to no impact on much of anything in the series. His [[SpecialEffectFailure horrible special effects]] only make this worse. Fans groaned when it was revealed he would be the focal point again for the final season, especially when he's [[spoiler:dealt with so anti-climatically ''again'']].
185	* SeasonalRot:
186	** Season 2 was even more divisive between critics and fans compared to Season 1 (which ''already'' had a very divisive reaction).
187	*** The first episode was criticized because the villain Trigon was defeated in a quick, easy and anticlimactic manner, but some fans argued that this could easily be overlooked because the episode was originally the season finale of Season 1.
188	*** While Conner's characterization and introduction was praised, his sub-plot with being hunted by Cadmus negatively impacted the second half of the season, as Cadmus takes over from Deathstroke as the final boss villain, despite having no vendetta with the Titans whatsoever.
189	*** Gar and Rachel suffer OutOfFocus in the season, with Jason and the remaining OG Titans getting more screentime.
190	*** Kory doesn't get much better either. Her sub-plot with dealing with Blackfire's arrival feels very [[TrappedByMountainLions disconjointed]] from the main plot, despite setting up the next season. Also, out of nowhere towards the end, she loses her powers, rendering her useless against Deathstroke and Superboy.
191	*** Many fans have also criticized the fact that most characters suffer from TookALevelInJerkass, making it difficult for viewers to identify and sympathize with them. And the heroes who are truly deemed sympathetic (Gar and Conner) are kidnapped, tortured and brainwashed, just to provide the jerkier heroes a reason to get back together.
192	*** Finally, the season finale events, especially the fates of [[spoiler:Deathstroke and Donna]] were received with controversy, to say the least. In general, even the season's biggest supporters admit there are issues that need to be fixed by the writers in Season 3.
193	** Season 3 was seen as a bigger improvement to start with, as it showed the Titans starting to act more like a cohesive unit, finally had Jason Todd become [[spoiler:Red Hood]] and deliver a massive middle finger to Dawn that saw her [[spoiler:written out of the series for good]], and threw in The Scarecrow as a Hannibal Lecter-esque informant for good measure. However, things took a dip halfway through, as much of the Titans behavior over their treatment of Jason came off as UnintentionallyUnsympathetic ''again'' when they conveniently ignored what they did to him in Season 2, Scarecrow's plan and Jason's attempts at redemption were delivered somewhat nonsensically, and the show kept dragging out Tim Drake's transition into Robin to the point he didn't even take up the mantle until the end of Season 4. Nevertheless, it was still seen as a ''massive'' improvement over Season 2, albeit still hampered by the show's inconsistent characterization and writing.
194	* ShipsThatPassInTheNight: Jason/Gar and Jason/Rachel both have a bit of a following.
195	* ShipToShipCombat:
196	** Dawn/Hawk vs Dawn/Dick vs Dick/Kory vs Kory/Donna. Notable is that, for a four way ship war, it's been rather tame.
197	** Season 2 sees the beginning of one between Gar/Jay and BB/Rae shippers.
198	** There is a bit of this with Tim/Conner fans as they were not happy with Conner saving Jason, which led to a Jason/Conner following.
199	* SignatureScene: Robin brutally attacking criminals and saying "fuck Batman" is easily the most well-known part of the trailer, for better or worse.
200	** Ironically, the scene of Negative Man cooking is one of the most beloved scenes in the entire first season, which acted as a form of meta foreshadowing towards Doom Patrol becoming a MorePopularSpinOff.
201	* SlowPacedBeginning: The first three episodes are largely about setting the groundwork for the team to come together and the plot to get going, being mostly exposition and backstory while being fairly light on action or story progression.
202	* SoOkayItsAverage: How fans feel about the series overall. It's got great acting and costume values, it's mostly respectful to its source material, and it has some interesting villains, but it's far too inconsistent with its writing and characterization to where it's "[[DesignatedHero heroes]]" can come off looking far worse than the bad guys, some of its special effects are shoddy, and some characters (especially Beast Boy) get overlooked in favor of Nightwing and Starfire. At the very least, it's considered better than ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'', for better or worse.
203	* SpecialEffectFailure: It's pretty clear that some of the sound effects used in the first trailer are StockSoundEffects. Some people even commented that some of them sounded like they had been lifted straight from the ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamSeries'' games.
204	** Trigon looks absolutely ''terrible'', especially while moving. Even in Season 4, he ''still'' looks terrible.
205	** Throughout the series, blood-sprays in some of the fight scenes range from "alright" to "actually decent for a TV series." The failure came from the first season, especially the first few episodes, imposing them on every single point of contact in a fight. Robin fights a few guys in the opening fight, but looking at the blood he kills each of them at least 6 times. Worse was the time where Dove casually palms someone's face in passing, with the spray making it look like she ''ripped his face off or just made it explode.''
206	* StrangledByTheRedString: Jason Todd and Rose Wilson, they kissed after a single conversation with each other, and after only 2 episodes spent having them properly interacting, they were already in a very deep relationship, as if their have been involved with each other by many years. Still, somewhat the ship [[Administrivia/TropesAreTools works]], mostly because their very few interactions were used to show what HiddenDepths the characters have.
207	* TaintedByThePreview:
208	** The set photos showing Starfire, Beast Boy and Raven soured the project in many fans' eyes after the promising costume reveal for Robin.
209	** The news that ''Titans'' would be an R-rated series has some fans split. While many are glad that it won't pull any punches and deliver a full experience that takes advantage of the streaming platform, others aren't happy that a series known for being lighthearted will be made DarkerAndEdgier. That said, the dark tone is OlderThanTheyThink, as much of the notoriety for being light came from the animated series and later runs, and many stories including the Wolfman-Perez era were in fact very dark and mature.
210	** The first trailer itself was released to decidedly lukewarm reception and gave a very negative first impression of the show. Common points of contention were drastically changing the Titans, the use of obvious StockSoundEffects and its over-the-top DarkerAndEdgier tone. Perhaps most infamously, the trailer was edited to make it appear as if Robin [[ThouShaltNotKill of all people]] was killing criminals, and he drops an F-bomb in a bizarre context that made it seem like he did it for the sake of being edgy. It got a hatedom that's as vocal as ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'' but in the opposite direction. Many were especially worried because this show is the start of a new universe that other series like ''Series/DoomPatrol2019'' are supposed to spawn from. All future trailers made sure to show the lighter aspects of the show as if to do damage control.
211	** While the fans response to [[spoiler:Jason finally becoming Red Hood]] was mostly positive, the character's official logline for season 3 made them worry about the execution of his MythArc instead. [[spoiler:Jason]] donning the [[spoiler:Red Hood persona]] because he becomes obsessed with taking down his old team generated waves of different opinions, from worried to down right negative because in the comics, The Joker and Batman were the ones who played a crucial roles in turning the character into an AntiVillain, whereas the Titans were nowhere[[note]]Jason ''did'' break into Titans Tower and fight the Teen Titans in the comics, but by then he'd already been transformed into his later vigilante self[[/note]]. Most of people think that hating the Titans and lack of personal history with them are very weak justifications to become [[spoiler:Red Hood]], given all the traumatic events [[spoiler: Jason Todd]] went through in the comics by comparison with the show, as well his motivations. There is also the fact that [[spoiler:Curran Walters himself heartfully waited to see how ComicBook/ADeathInTheFamily and ComicBook/RedHoodTheLostDays]] would be adapted to fit the show. The consensus is that [[spoiler:Jason Todd]] was robbed of his most iconic storylines. However, it was eventually revealed that [[spoiler: ''A Death In The Family'']] would be adopted in some way, and that [[spoiler: Jason would end up being brutally beaten by the Joker (crowbar and all).]]
212	* TakeThatScrappy: Dawn's character has been poorly received amongst fan circles for her being pitted as a "moral paragon" that was constantly manipulating Dick and Hank into doing what she wanted until they screwed up for doing exactly that and calling them out for it, never once admitting she was wrong. "Hank and Dove" gave her a big slap to the face for this attitude by her own stubbornness and impulsiveness getting [[spoiler: Hank blown to bits]]--by her own hand no less.
213	* TheyChangedItNowItSucks:
214	** There's been some gnashing of teeth over Starfire, Beast Boy and Raven no longer having their signature skin colours (though in the case of Starfire and Beast Boy, their skin changes shade to that of their original counterparts when they use their powers and in Raven's case, her grey skin originated in the ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans2003'' cartoon, meaning her possessing normal skin tones is OlderThanTheyThink).
215	** Some fans hate how Red Hood, who was an independent AntiVillain in the comics, was DemotedToDragon for Scarecrow.
216	* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
217	** Amy Rohrbach, Dick's new partner at the Detroit Police Department, gets brutally murdered by the Nuclear Family in the second episode without getting a chance to display most of the traits that make her comic counterpart so loved.
218	** Rose Wilson. Being an EnsembleDarkHorse, people felt she was underused, especially given that she kick starts the storyline of Season 2, yet she barely shares any scenes with the Titans. Many fans agreed that she was rather a plot device for Jason or Slade than a character. Gets even worse as she and Jericho won't return for Season 3, making their development and integration into the Titans pointless. She won't even get to confront Jason over him being Red Hood.
219	* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The idea of Batman snapping and killing his rogues gallery sounds like an awesome premise for an AlternateUniverse Nightwing origin story, where Dick would have to go solo to fight not only Gotham's remaining criminals, but also Batman and Jason's Robin who'd actually been trained to kill by this insane Batman. Here it's OnlyADream. Tellingly, the show goes out of its way to make it happen in a small way in Season 3, where [[spoiler: Bruce, after getting a healthy dose of WhatTheHellHero from Barbara and Dick for his cold, manipulative actions, bashes Joker's skull in for killing Jason Todd and hands the reins of Gotham over to them.]]
220	* ToughActToFollow: Because of the insane popularity of [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans2003 the 2003 animated series]], many fans expected this show to be a live action of the animated show, which, because of its status as AdaptationDisplacement[=/=]AudienceColoringAdaptation is often regarded as ''THE'' only true Titans among many generations of fans. The success of the former instantly affected the show before it even aired.
221	* TooBleakStoppedCaring: Widely regarded as the ''biggest'' problem with the show. Whether it be that most of the cast is DarkerAndEdgier to the point of parody (even when compared to the comics where they did the same), the fact that the team seems to say they're like a family despite constantly screwing each other over and lacking any sort of empathy for one another's problems (such as when they all bullied Jason to the point where he nearly killed himself and seemingly ''none'' of them apologized for it, or when Hawk and Dove get a kid killed only to barely react and then sing at at a country bar as if nothing happened), or that after the second season ''anything'' can seemingly be [[{{Retcon}} retconned]] out of the show no matter how important of a plot point, it really causes the audience to wonder why they should even care about these characters.
222	* UnexpectedCharacter:
223	** Few could've guessed that the main villain of ''Titans'' would be the Acolyte, best known in the comics as the antagonist to their successor team ComicBook/YoungJustice.
224	** [[ComicBook/WonderGirl Donna Troy]] is a classic Titan and fan-favorite, but nonetheless shackled with many legal issues in the past that prevented her from ever appearing outside the comics, and thus thought unavailable to be used (or thought that DC was [[ExecutiveMeddling screwing her over]]). Here, she makes her historical live-action debut in this series.
225	** Franchise/{{Batman}} is typically off-limits by DC due to an embargo preventing more than one primary version of Batman at a time, not wanting the character to be confused with his movie counterpart. The fact that Batman not only exists here, but appears in the flesh as Bruce Wayne, was a surprise to some people. It's speculated that they're given more leeway as it's on their private streaming service rather than a network channel with non-DC shows.
226	** The Nuclear Family are a very obscure supervillain team from DC Comics, so them being represented here was quite a surprise.
227	** Konstantin Kovar is such a minor villain that many people thought he was just a CanonForeigner in ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' so him showing up here (with no indication that his son, the Titans member Red Star would appear) was definitely out of left-field.
228	** Jason Todd as Robin since most adaptations either only acknowledge him ''after'' his death or skip over him entirely in order to focus on Tim or Damian.
229	** TheStinger to the season one finale shows ComicBook/{{Superboy}} Kon-El and ComicBook/KryptoTheSuperdog. Probably no one expected these two to show up in live action form... ''[[Series/{{Smallville}} again]]''.
230	** Season 3 opens up with an appearance from a recognizable villain from the original animated series, Gizmo.
231	** Season 4 brings in another shocker in the form of Freedom Beast, and then opens up the multiverse for a bevy of cameos: [[spoiler: [[Series/TheFlash2014 The Flash of Earth-Prime]], [[Film/Shazam2019 Shazam of Earth-1]], [[Series/SwampThing2019 Swamp Thing of Earth-19]], [[WesternAnimation/HarleyQuinn2019 Harley Quinn and Joker]], [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo another Beast Boy]], [[Series/Batman1966 The Joker of Earth-66]], [[Film/Batman1989 The Joker of Earth-89]], [[Film/Joker2019 a fourth Joker]], and even [[Series/Stargirl2020 Stargirl of Earth-2]].]]
232	* UnintentionallySympathetic:
233	** Hank is hit with TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong trope quite a bit but many fans have pointed out that it feels more like the JerkassHasAPoint.
234	** Season 1 goes out of its way to demonize Bruce and imply he's the reason Dick is so messed up. However, his stated negative qualities often come off as [[InformedFlaw informed flaws]] that we're just suppose to [[TakeOurWordForIt take the writers' and Dick's word for.]] Even his one definitively bad act, putting a tracer in Dick without his knowledge (and latter convincing Jason to get the same implant), comes off as far more sympathetic when you remember a) what happened to Jason in the comics, b) that Hank at one point in s1 got captured and (briefly) tortured by a gang, and c) the tracer in Jason being one of the key helping points to [[spoiler:getting him away from Deathstroke after his kidnapping.]] After the negative reaction to his portrayal in S1 the [[AuthorsSavingThrow writers gave Bruce a much appreciated characterization overhaul]] with his self titled episode even implying he's something of a MoralityPet to Dick. However, this only had the unintentional side effect of making Dick seem even more unreasonable in his opinion of Bruce, and ultimately causing the writers to come across as lazy. Season 3 winds up rectifying this by showing that Bruce is indeed as morally flawed as Dick claimed, as he callously brushes off the death of [[spoiler: Jason Todd]], and before that, [[spoiler: Alfred and Commissioner Gordon]], and then almost immediately [[spoiler: starts searching for a new Robin]] before he gets called out on all of this before he [[spoiler: finally snaps and kills the Joker]].
235	** Season 2 sees nearly every character blame Dick for [[spoiler:Jericho's death.]] Never mind the fact that not only were the other founders in on the plan to use him to get to Deathstroke and could have put a stop to the plan at literally any time, but that Deathstroke himself was the one to land a killing blow when he actively confronted Dick instead of using all his skills to simply take off, thus putting [[spoiler:Jericho]] in danger over a contract.
236	** The treatment of Jason by the other characters in Seasons 2 and 3 meant that many fans were taking his side, with this adding to his UnpopularPopularCharacter status while making the others even more UnintentionallyUnsympathetic. Many of the characters in Season 3 had a SelfServingMemory about Jason's actions and a NeverMyFault approach to ignoring their own mistakes, while in Season 2 they [[spoiler:ganged up on him and accused of him of messing with them without any proof shortly after he was tortured and almost killed by Deathstroke]].
237	* UnpopularPopularCharacter: Jason Todd. Nearly every other character couldn't stand him. Fans, on the other hand, are far more appreciative of him, gaining sympathy for his treatment during Season 2 and hoping he could even get his own spin-off as Red Hood, while favorite choices to be his outlaws being Harper Roy and Rose Wilson.
238	* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: While it's true the show had some Wtf moments on the character design and CGI departments, the stunning special effects and visual art are one of its forte points. The show is very appreciated for its original style of filming and how it managed to turn the ''show, don't tell'' rule into metaphorical and symbolic shooting. The pilot even earned the TV Drama Cinematography Award from the Canadian Society of Cinematographers Awards. Here is a fanmade [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OozrxKWSVIM video]] studying the shooting style of the show.
239	* {{Wangst}}: Many viewers felt this way about the immense amount of depressive self-pitying shown particularly by Dick and Hank.
240	* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: ''Titans'' may be part of a franchise that's commonly thought of a lighthearted due to multiple animated series, but kid-friendly it is ''not''. Just the first trailer alone features a dark and brooding atmosphere, people getting mangled, snapped, sliced, burned alive, and Robin himself drops the F-bomb. The fact that it's compared to Creator/{{Netflix}} [[Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse MCU]] and was originally going on Creator/{{TNT}} should give you a good idea that it was never meant for kids to begin with.
241	* WTHCostumingDepartment:
242	** People almost unanimously reacted with horror to the wig and outfit choices made for the Kory Anders/Starfire character by the costuming department when [[https://twitter.com/badpostitans/status/984057806738415618/photo/1 unofficial pictures of her were leaked]]. The horror and disgust continued when the show proper debuted, and it was clear that was her standard appearance.
243	** Raven's hair in the pilot episode is very noticeably a wig; due to the fact that the hairline does not blend naturally into the actress's forehead.
244	** Even Rose's wig was met with some mixed results, while the wig looks natural, people were not pleased by the hairstyle.
245	*** Her vigilante mask is also a big Big "NO! NO!", even if her costume was universally praised as being one of the best things of Season 2.
246	** Though reception is split and there's plenty who defend it, after much hype the Nightwing suit falls into this for some, due to the bulky plated armour. Putting aside how this design trend [[FollowTheLeader has became very overused]] [[CondemnedByHistory to the point of backlash]] [[RealityIsUnrealistic for being very impractical in real life]], but it's generally agreed to be out of character with Dick Grayson to ''wear'' heavy armour due to his lithe fighting style.
247	* TheWoobie:
248	** Rachel/Raven goes through so much stuff in the first season alone. Seeing her mother killed in front of her, raised with something evil inside of her and isolated from everyone was just the very beginning of her story.
249	** Gar. He and his parents contracted a disease, and only he survived thanks to the Chief's intervention. He then had to move into Doom Manor, where the closest things he had to parental figures were three loving but very troubled adults who were forced to stay within Doom Manor at all times for their own safety. Meanwhile, there's implication that Chief is an [[AbusiveParent abusive grandfatherly figure to him.]] He ends up meeting a girl who's an outsider like him, and seeing that she needs help and support, decides to follow her and be her friend. The result of this is them eventually being kidnapped by evil asylum workers who torture him and their two parental surrogates (Kory and Dick), this event leading to him being forced to [[spoiler:maul one of the asylum workers]] to protect Rachel, which clearly leaves him traumatized. Over the course of the next few episodes he has to watch Kory nearly kill Rachel, see the group forcibly split up, see Rachel begin to give in to her demonic heritage and lash out at him, and is experiencing hallucinations that may be due to [[MaybeMagicMaybeMundane Trigon's influence or the possible onset of PTSD.]]
250	*** Things only get worse in season 2. First he has to witness Trigon and all his "glory" but he also nearly [[spoiler:gets beaten to death by his possessed friends.]] Then in later episodes he has to deal with Rachel continuing to lash out at him. Things seem to look up for the poor guy as he befriends Jason, but even that takes a downhill turn when Jason [[spoiler:gets kidnapped by Deathstroke during what was suppose to be a simple recon mission. Also he's left alone with Conner in the tower when everyone else bails on Dick over the truth about Jericho, and later he inadvertently lets Conner attack several cops, gets abducted by Cadmus and they reprogram his brain to obey them.]]
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