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1	[[WMG: Agnes Nielsen's former husband was Noah]]
2	When speaking of deceased husband to Doris she mentions he was a pastor and implies he abusive. Given the nature of this series, it would not be surprising if he was BackFromTheDead by some means and which character fits these aforementioned described traits?
3	* Jossed: Agnes is revealed in Season 2 to be Noah's [[spoiler: ''sister.'']] And in Season 3, her husband (assuming they were ever actually 'married') is revealed to be [[spoiler: Jonas and Alt-Martha's nameless child]].
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5	[[WMG: Scarred future girl is Martha.]]
6	She looks similar, and she seems to recognize Jonas, and that he's from the past.
7	* Unlikely. Her actress, Lea van Acken, is 18 years old. If she really is connected to Martha in some way, it's more likely she is her daughter.
8	* Jossed in season 2: Martha [[spoiler:dies just before the apocalypse]], so the girl is unrelated to her.
9	** Well, she's unrelated to [[spoiler:''that'' Martha]], anyway.
10	** Season 3 reveals that she's [[spoiler: the illegitimate daughter of Hannah and Egon.]]
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12	[[WMG: Noah is future Bartosz.]]
13	They look similar, and Bartosz is being lead down a dark path, especially as he turns against Jonas.
14	* Jossed: We see young Noah in Season 2 and he looks different from Bartosz.
15	** [[spoiler: In Season 3, we find out that Noah is Bartosz's son, so OP wasn't completely off the mark guessing they'd be connected.]]
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17	[[WMG: Aleksander/Boris is future Bartosz.]]
18	Again, they look similar (even moreso than Noah and Bartosz), and there's more to the Aleksander/Boris story than has been told. And given how [[MyOwnGrandpa Charlotte & Elizabeth's relationship]] shaped up, it's [[{{Squick}} not out of the question]].
19	* Highly unlikely though. Aleksander in the 1986/87 timeline is just a few years older than Bartsosz in the 2019/20 timeline. There's no way they're the same person. The series uses different actors for characters who are 33 years apart in age...not 3ish years!
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21	[[WMG: Season 2 will be set in 2052/3 ''and'' 1920/1, because Jonas' attempt to destroy the wormhole expanded it or created two in the same place.]]
22	When Agnes Nielsen is asked by Egon who her grandmother was, she is interrupted before she can answer. TheLawOfConservationOfDetail suggests that whatever name she was about to give would be one the viewer will recognise. In order for this to be true, one of the characters we've seen must travel back to the past to become her grandmother. But for ''this'' to be the case they must travel back further than 1953.
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24	The only way this can be possible is if the range of time covered by the wormhole has increased. We saw Jonas arrive in the future at the end of season one, so who's to say the wormhole hasn't also gone further into the past ie: 66 years either side of 1986/7?
25	* Or Agnes has come from the future.
26	** Sort of confirmed in Season 2: 1921 does feature, but Agnes' role is unconnected.
27	** [[spoiler: In Season 3 Agnes' grandmother is revealed to be Hannah.]]
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29	[[WMG: By the end of the show, Michael's suicide will be undone]]
30	Mikkel is obsessed with Houdini. What is Houdini famous for? Not just being a magician, but being an ''escape artist''. No matter how impossible it looks, thematically he should escape his fate.
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32	Most likely either because the suicide was faked in the first place in order to preserve the timeloop or because the eventual breaking of the timeloop changes the story and allows him a happy ending.
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34	** [[spoiler: Played with. By the end of the show, Michael's suicide undone because Michael's very existence is undone, along with that of most of the characters]].
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37	[[WMG: Adam ''isn't'' who he says he is]]
38	The only evidence we have is his word and a scar, and why should we believe him?
39	* Well there's a moment late in Season 2 in which he's imagining Martha, so that does seem to confirm his identity.
40	** Ultimately Jossed. Adam is the future version of Jonas.
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42	[[WMG: The "Girl From The Future" is Jonas and Martha's daughter]]
43	Hence why the audience is repeatedly shown scenes of them having sex from both Jonas ''and'' Martha's POV. Also makes sense for why [[spoiler: Elli didn't kill Jonas when he traveled to 2052, and why Elli won't kill The Girl even though we last see her being held at gunpoint]] Perhaps [[spoiler: Elli]] has been entrusted by Adam with looking after Jonas and Martha's daughter.
44	** [[spoiler: Jossed. The "Girl from the Future", Silja is the daughter of Hannah and Egon...conceived when Hannah traveled back to 1954 and had an affair with Egon. Of course, this makes her Jonas' sister.]]
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46	[[WMG: The fate of characters at the end of the series]]
47	[[spoiler: Since all of the characters born because of the Knot were connected to those existing independent of it, versions of some of them still have a chance to be born - like Hannah seeing the yellow jacket and thinking that the name "Jonas" sounds lovely. We know another version of Charlotte exists in the daughter of Marek and Sonja Tannhaus; any of the characters at the Dinner Party could have children we haven't seen, who carry the names of their offspring from the knot. The same goes for characters from the past - Egon and Doris Tiedemann may still have divorced, and Egon may have had another daughter with a second wife, etc. Even Aleksander/Boris could have a son somewhere he named Bartosz. They wouldn't be the same people, but some part of them might still exist.]]
48	* Ulrich has left the town and has not become a police officer. This is due to his brother, Mads, not disappearing and motivating him to become a better police officer due to Egon not being able to do his job in Ulrich's eyes. That means that Martha not only ceases to exist, but Magnus and Mikkel also have as well. This, in turn, leads to Jonas not being born (and the Jonas that is suggested at the end of the story will be a different Jonas that isn't remotely like the one we've followed). Also, Egon and Doris may still have been together for a much longer time before divorcing, as without Agnes seducing Doris, without Hannah getting involved with Egon, and without The Unknown telling Doris about Egon's infidelity, she may have ended up staying in the relationship much longer than she had in the knot timeline.
49	** I like the previous troper's thoughts about Doris and Egon, but the theory about an Origin!Ulrich leaving town doesn't work because Ulrich cannot exist in the Origin World. His entire existence traces back to Agnes Nielsen, his grandmother, and she cannot exist without her mother, Silja, and SHE cannot exist without Hannah traveling back to 1953 and having an affair with Egon. Not to mention the fact that Bartosz is Silja's father, so his time-traveling would also be necessary for her birth. And that doesn't even get into Ulrich's connection with the Unknown, who is both his grandfather (Agnes+Unknown = Tronte, Ulrich's father) AND his grandson (Martha+Jonas = The Unknown) AND his great-grandson (because The Unknown is the son of Jonas, who is the son of Mikkel, Ulrich's son). Basically, Ulrich's ancestry is 100% bound up in the Knot. When it dissolves, so does he.
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Context WMG / Dark2017