Line #91 Trivia/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice


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2	* AbilityOverAppearance: Mercy Graves was originally going to be white, and the studio wasn't looking at Asian actresses for the role. After Creator/ZackSnyder saw Creator/TaoOkamoto's performance in ''Film/TheWolverine'', he was impressed enough that he cast her as Mercy despite her lack of resemblance to the character.
3	* ActingInTheDark: Creator/RobinAtkinDownes had no idea that he was voicing [[spoiler: Doomsday]] until the trailers was released 1-2 months before the movie came out.
4	* AuthorsSavingThrow: In direct response to the critical reception the film had received, Zack Snyder assured fans that the Extended Director's Cut on home video would better flesh out the plot, as it would be around half an hour longer.
5	* BeamMeUpScotty: When talking about the movie people bring up the name "Martha" as though it was ArcWords in and of itself a la Rosebud from ''Film/CitizenKane'', or even something of a SkywardScream with Batman breaking down just from hearing that name. In reality [[spoiler:only one person says "Martha" by itself and that was Thomas Wayne's LastWords in the famous alley shooting (although Lex does say "Martha, Martha, Martha" in a sing-song voice mocking Superman). In the (in)famous "Martha" scene Superman never says "Martha" singular, he is instead trying to give Batman information and instructions: "You're letting them kill Martha." "Save Martha." etc. The use of the name Martha ''in that context'' causes confusion and anger from Batman, until he learns Martha is also the name [[OneSteveLimit of Superman's mom]]. Batman also never says "Martha" singular, but he does say "Martha! Why did you say that name?!" when trying to figure out what Superman's talking about and later says "I promise you, Martha will not die tonight." So while the name Martha is an important revelation, it's never said with extreme reverence, and certainly never screamed a la Captain Kirk yelling "Khaaaaaaan!" by anyone]].
6	* CaliforniaDoubling:
7	** The African scenes were shot in New Mexico once the Ebola outbreak made the filmmakers fearful of going to Morocco.
8	** Gotham, Metropolis, and what appears to be Washington, D.C. were all filmed in Detroit.
9	** The Indian Ocean scene with the Kryptonite being retrieved in the wreck of the [[Film/ManOfSteel World Engine]] was filmed in Bora-Bora, UsefulNotes/FrenchPolynesia, in the Pacific Ocean.
10	* CastTheRunnerUp:
11	** Creator/JeffreyDeanMorgan was considered for Batman before being cast as Thomas Wayne.
12	** Creator/JesseEisenberg was originally considered for Jimmy Olsen before being cast as Lex Luthor.
13	* CreatorBacklash:
14	** Affleck said that he was proud of the final product, but later conceded that some criticisms towards the film's tonal issues were fair.
15	** Creator/JeremyIrons bluntly said that he could see why it received the poor reviews that it got, as he felt it was overstuffed and confusing.
16	** While promoting ''Justice League'', Gal Gadot said that in hindsight, she didn't feel Diana would ever turn her back on mankind. She went on to say that the solo ''Film/{{Wonder Woman\|2017}}'' movie "correct[ed]" that point by showing how loving and compassionate Diana truly is.
17	** In a very candid interview with ''The Rake'', Henry Cavill conceded that while he felt the film had a unique and interesting way of telling a superhero story, that approach didn't necessarily work. However, he did seem to indicate that he views it as something of a noble failure, saying "I feel now the right mistakes have been made."
18	** In a [[https://www.squaremile.com/features/interview/henry-cavill-mission-impossible/ subsequent interview]] with ''Square Mile'', Cavill lamented the way the shared universe aspect of the film kept him from being able to play a more idealistic and inspirational Superman, which he had been looking forward to after ''Man of Steel''. He also claimed that had a Superman-centric ''Man of Steel'' sequel been made instead, he probably would've gotten to play that more traditional version of the character.
19	** Writer Creator/ChrisTerrio detailed that the movie was going to be ''darker'' if not for rewrites of his, and he came in after the basic story was already formed so there was not much he could change and he spent most of the time just trying to get it as coherent as possible (Batman HAD to try and kill Superman, so he wrote it as a RageBreakingPoint), and still had his own problems with the script. He was also highly critical of the theatrical cut as the removal of 30 minutes from the story, after being told a three-hour movie is fine, led to it being muddled and disjointed which was reflected in many reviews. He's since said that he was unfairly blamed for the movie's reception, arguing that things would have gone differently had those cuts not been made. Also not helping things is the way the movie impacted his career and personal life, with some of his friends distancing themselves from him after the movie underperformed. He also never liked the title, having voiced displeasure at the [[ExecutiveMeddling studio-mandated]] ''Batman v Superman'' portion of it, feeling that it felt like a "tone-deaf" marketing ploy.
20	** During an appearance on the Happy Sad Confused Podcast, David S. Goyer reveals that he believes it was a mistake for them to rush to a Batman and Superman crossover film and that they should have made a stand alone sequel to Man of Steel before building the DC Extended Universe. Although Goyer strongly emphasis that this was a studio mandated decision to catchup with the MCU, one he disagreed with at the time but was in no position to deny.
21	** [[https://www.gamesradar.com/zack-snyder-batman-v-superman-sfx-exclusive/ According to Zack Snyder]], Warner Bros. had hatred toward the film as the studio was pressuring him to "divorce" Justice League from this movie.
22	* DawsonCasting:
23	** In the film, Bruce laments that he's "older than [his] father was," and in one of Bruce's nightmares, Thomas's tombstone reads "1942-1981", meaning Thomas was around 39 when he was killed. Creator/JeffreyDeanMorgan is six years older than Creator/BenAffleck and was around 48 during filming.
24	** A bit retroactively for Creator/JasonMomoa as Aquaman, as he was 35 during the filming of the movie, [[Film/Aquaman2018 Aquaman's solo movie]] revealed that his parents met in 1985.
25	* DearNegativeReader: In a 2019 Q&A, Snyder was questioned about the backlash towards his decision to have Batman kill. Snyder responded by saying that fans who were still under the misconception that Batman and Superman don't kill are "living in a dreamland" and need to "wake the fuck up."
26	* DeletedRole: Creator/JenaMalone's character was removed from the theatrical cut, but is included in the extended version.
27	* DeletedScene: Probably to hype the DirectorsCut, possibly knowing that fans would be confused by certain elements in the theatrical ending, Warner Brothers surprisingly released a deleted scene online the same weekend the movie premiered titled "Communion." [[spoiler:In the theatrical version, Lex rants in his prison cell about how "he" is coming to Earth and talks about how "the bell has been rung." In the deleted scene it shows a SWAT team entering the scout ship to recover and arrest Lex, and he is found in the genesis chamber along with a holographic image of a demonic creature [[note]]It looks real, as though the being was actually there communicating with Lex, but when it dissipates it matches the Kryptonian "liquid metal" imaging from Man of Steel.[[/note]] that looks like one of the ComicBook/NewGods holding Mother Boxes (which is also seen in Cyborg's cameo). When Lex finally acknowledges the SWAT team [[GoMadFromTheRevelation he is notably shaken by what he's seen]].]] It's theorized the apparent pool of blood was one of the things that edged it into R-Rated territory.
28	* DuelingWorks: With ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar''. Both films have two of their franchise's most iconic heroes [[LetsYouAndHimFight getting into a conflict]], with the billionaire playboy philanthropist deciding the true blue hero can't be allowed to continue to be unaccountable, and ancillary superheroes appearing in secondary roles.
29	* DVDCommentary: Creator/ZackSnyder made one for the Ultimate Edition in March 2020 during the UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic lockdown, in the form of a watch-along. It can be watched [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogpQdKbt8iw here.]]
30	* DyeingForYourArt:
31	** Creator/JesseEisenberg shaved his head bald for the final scene.
32	** Creator/GalGadot bulked up a reported 17 pounds of muscle to become Wonder Woman. It is notable that critics of her casting said she was too skinny for the role, but Gadot had previously [[MetaCasting served in the Israeli military with a focus on personal fitness training]]. She had slimmed down for her modeling career, and has mentioned how much she likes her current appearance.
33	** Creator/BenAffleck bulked up considerably, adding that for a man already in his forties it isn't as easy to accomplish.
34	* EnforcedMethodActing: According to Tao Okamoto, Creator/JesseEisenberg changed several of his lines causing some of the actors' reactions to be genuine.
35	* ExecutiveMeddling: The film was the unfortunate victim of this, with the original 3 hour film being cut down to 2 1/2 hours, due to the studio apprehension about the commercial success and the potential R Rating. This ironically led to several significant scenes to be cut out of the film, partially contributing to its mixed to bad reception from critics. Even the film’s ''title'' suffered from this, as Zack Snyder and Chris Terrio wanted the film to be simply titled ''Dawn of Justice'', while WB wanted it to start with ''Batman v Superman'' in order to make it more marketable.
36	* FollowTheLeader:
37	** The team-up element of the movie was conceived in response to the success of ''Film/{{The Avengers\|2012}}'' and the looming threat of ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'', the latter of which was set to be a [[DuelingMovies Dueling Movie]] with ''Dawn of Justice'' before ''Dawn'' was pushed back a year.
38	** Funnily enough, Marvel was subsequently accused of pulling ''this'' on DC with the announcement of ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'', which predominantly features a conflict between a genius high-tech billionaire and an American-raised individual with actual superpowers alongside an ensemble of lesser-known superheroes. The conflict is rooted in their different stances on collateral damage and civil rights infringement and a non-superpowered villain creates an elaborate plan to exacerbate it.
39	* IronyAsSheIsCast: Creator/JeffreyDeanMorgan and Creator/LaurenCohan as Thomas and Martha Wayne. In ''Series/TheWalkingDead'', [[spoiler:the former's character killed the husband of the latter character.]] Here, they are husband and wife. Further, Morgan's character there used a ''{{bat\|terUp}}'' as [[spoiler:the murder weapon]].
40	* LifeImitatesArt: Public opinions on Superman are very polarized... just like RealLife opinions are polarized about this movie.
41	* MeaningfulReleaseDate: If we take RuleOfSymbolism into account, the movie being released in the last Friday of March is hugely important. [[spoiler:The day, of course, is Good Friday, which commemorates the death of Jesus Christ. Christ would be resurrected days later on Easter Sunday. Superman dies at the end of the movie and is revealed to be well on his way to an eventual resurrection, continuing the Superman/Jesus symbolism present throughout his portrayal in the DCEU.]]
42	* TheOtherDarrin: Creator/NaoyaUchida replaces Masane Tsukayama as Jonathan Kent in the Japanese dub.
43	* PromotedFanboy:
44	** Ben Affleck was a name thrown around for ''Film/BatmanBegins'' before it went to Creator/ChristianBale, and he did ''Film/{{Daredevil}}'' mostly because he didn't think he would ever get to play Batman. According to Kevin Smith, Affleck even built a hidden "Batcave entrance" leading to a safe room in one of his homes, and was fond of blasting [[Film/BatmanAndRobin R. Kelly's "Gotham City"]] on-set during their late-90s films together. Apparently the Batman fandom runs in the family, because Affleck's son is also a big fan and thinks his dad really is Batman.
45	** Gal Gadot related her whole casting experience and having an out-of-body experience seeing the concept art of Wonder Woman with her face on it and putting on the costume for the first time.
46	* PlayingAgainstType:
47	** Creator/JeremyIrons, who made his career playing the EvilBrit, is cast as Batman's loyal butler Alfred.
48	** [[InvokedTrope Invoked]] by Snyder in regards to Jesse Eisenberg's casting as Lex Luthor. Eisenberg was originally offered the role of Jimmy Olsen but Snyder's wife and co-producer Deborah convinced him to cast him as Lex Luthor.
49	* PopCultureUrbanLegends: The dearth of details and long stretches of time in between snippets of official news made this film a magnet for rumors uncritically accepted by both supporters and detractors as fuel for the flame wars prior to the promotional campaign.
50	* RecycledScript:
51	** Though it's bound to happen when David S. Goyer wrote both movies, a common criticism is that too much of the film (especially the Batman side of things) is similar to ''Film/TheDarkKnightRises'' -- as both films take influence from ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'', this complaint likely would've happened regardless of who wrote it.
52	*** Both show Batman as a troubled, broken man who is struggling to get over a loss that happened at the hands of the Joker.
53	*** Both have Bruce Wayne make a highly publicized event at a function, encounter a cunning female who steals his car (and unrelated to the scene, another personal belonging).
54	*** Both have a villain with a DarkAndTroubledPast whose biggest motivation is getting rid of heroes and cause anarchy.
55	*** Both films have a scene with a terrorist attack on a public space (''Dawn of Justice'' has the Capitol; ''The Dark Knight Rises'' has the stock market).
56	*** Both villains have a FemmeFatale mole.
57	*** Both films have the aforementioned female joining the hero(es) for one last fight.
58	*** Both films have a bit where a heroic figure divert an explosive device away from the metropolitan area ([[spoiler:Superman sends a nuke into space while Batman diverts Doomsday to an abandoned area of Gotham in one; Batman flies the Batwing with the explosive device to sea in the other]]). For that matter, the final fight in both culminate in a HeroicSacrifice.
59	*** Both movies have [[spoiler:monuments unveiled of the heroes, and both sacrificed heroes are NotQuiteDead]].
60	** The overall situation in Batman's nightmare sequence calls to mind ''VideoGame/InjusticeGodsAmongUs''.
61	*** Much like in the game, Superman's [[StartOfDarkness descent into evil]] is precipitated by the death of Lois Lane.
62	*** Supes' GasMaskMooks are heavily reminiscent of the Regime troopers who served him in the same capacity, but with an S-shield on their uniforms instead of the One Earth Regime insignia.
63	*** Batman is leading LaResistance against Superman's rule, but like in ''Injustice'' he's fighting a HopelessWar and most of his friends get killed off by Supes or his allies.
64	*** One of his close allies betrays him to Superman, mirroring Regime Nightwing and Catwoman.
65	*** Superman tortures a captive Batman, similar to the penultimate scene in Year One of [[ComicBook/InjusticeGodsAmongUs the prequel comic]] where Supes breaks Batman's back.
66	*** It's all taking place in a dream, calling to mind how ''Injustice'' is generally set in an AlternateUniverse.
67	* RoleReprise: Arturo Castañeda and Máté Szabó, the respective Mexican and Hungarian voices of ComicBook/TheFlash in this movie, is also currently voicing the character in [[Series/TheFlash2014 the (second) live-action TV series]].
68	* SpoiledByTheMerchandise: Averted in the case of Lex Luthor. Several action figures from the film's toy line featured Lex in his suit of green PoweredArmor from the comics, causing speculation from bloggers and geek news outlets that he would suit up to fight Superman and Batman in the film's final act. Nothing of the sort happens in the film, meaning the toymakers at Creator/{{Mattel}} likely just wanted to make an action figure of Lex Luthor that would be appealing to kids.
69	* StarMakingRole: For Creator/GalGadot. While ''Film/TheFastAndTheFurious'' franchise did gave her screen debut for playing a supporting character, ''Batman V Superman'' boosted her career and got her into the spotlight. ''Film/{{Wonder Woman\|2017}}'' then cemented her into stardom.
70	* TeasingCreator:
71	** Creator/JasonMomoa was pretty quiet about whether or not he was playing Aquaman once rumors (and subsequent evidence) appeared suggesting that he had the part, and some of his responses to questions come across as him being outright irritated about being asked about it all the time. Warner Bros. eventually confirmed his role when they revealed their film plans through 2020 (as he was most likely tied-up with an NDA).
72	** While Creator/JenaMalone made no secret of the fact that she's in the movie, she went out of her way to be as vague about her role as possible. The only tip as to who she played was that her character has red hair, which could be taken as her being cast as Barbara Gordon or Carrie Kelly, the female Robin from ''The Dark Knight Returns''. Heck, she could've feasibly been a more obscure character, or another case of AdaptationDyeJob similar to Lois Lane (although Creator/AmyAdams was simply retaining her natural colour, whereas Malone is DyeingForYourArt). Furthermore, Malone's role [[DeletedRole was cut from the theatrical release]], meaning fans wouldn't be able to find out her character's identity until the extended edition came out -- ''on DVD''. ([[spoiler:Although a leak seemingly established that she was playing Barbara Gordon after all, it was fake, as the Ultimate Edition reveals that she plays a Lab Technician that isn't directly named on screen, but is identified in the credits as an obscure DC character named Janet Klyburn.]])
73	** Dan Amboyer had a '''lot''' of fun with this trope once fans heard a leak that said his "Drone Pilot" character was actually the DCEU's version of Hal Jordan. While the leak itself was fake, this didn't stop speculation from continuing as Amboyer got a lot of media focus, particularly after he showed [[https://www.instagram.com/p/BCvZEjQueDy/?hl=en an unsubtly green-tinted image of himself advertising the movie.]]
74	* ThrowItIn:
75	** Batman's [[PrecisionFStrike "Oh shit"]] moment when he sees [[spoiler:Doomsday]] charging his lasers was improvised by Creator/BenAffleck. He decided to throw in the line because it was funny and unexpected, especially coming from a character like Batman, as well as being an accidental CallBack to ''Film/ManOfSteel''.
76	** Wonder Woman's GrinOfAudacity during the battle against [[spoiler:Doomsday]] was ad-libbed by Creator/GalGadot as she felt it was something that Wonder Woman would do when faced with a strong opponent.
77	* TroubledProduction: Creator/ChrisTerrio describes him being brought on to write the script as an effort to placate concerns Creator/BenAffleck had with the story as it was. Terrio said he felt like it was him and Snyder doing everything they could to wrangle the demands of the studio into something coherent (Batman had to legitimately try to kill Superman to make a VersusTitle, and they didn't like either that plot point or the title), especially as it became a lead-in to ''Film/JusticeLeague2017'' and other movies were put in the pipeline seemingly at random. They also were building the movie throughout with the idea it would be three hours long, but was cut down to 2.5 hours only months prior resulting in a fractured story and compromising first impressions.
78	* VoiceOnlyCameo: Creator/PatrickWilson is heard during Superman and Doomsday's battle as the President giving orders.
79	* WhatCouldHaveBeen:
80	** [[Film/TheDanishGirl Matthias Schoenaerts]] was the runner-up for the role of [[ComicBook/{{Batman}} Bruce Wayne]] before Creator/BenAffleck was cast.
81	*** Creator/JoshBrolin and Creator/JonHamm were also approached for the part of Bruce Wayne. Brolin previously played ComicBook/JonahHex in his [[Film/JonahHex2010 titular solo movie.]]
82	*** Creator/AnsonMount and Creator/ScottAdkins [[https://youtu.be/h0JpNAXs1sI auditioned for the role of Bruce Wayne as well]]. Mount previously portrayed Paul Hayden in ''Series/{{Smallville}}'', and would later voice the character in ''WesternAnimation/{{Injustice\|2021}}''.
83	*** Creator/LukeEvans, Creator/OrlandoBloom and Creator/RichardArmitage were also considered for the part of Bruce Wayne before the casting of Affleck.
84	*** Creator/JeffreyDeanMorgan stated that during the production of ''Film/{{Watchmen}}'', Creator/ZackSnyder expressed interest in adapting ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'' and casting him as Batman. Morgan would go on to play Thomas Wayne in the movie, who coincidentally takes on the mantle of Batman in ''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}''.
85	** Creator/LeonardoDiCaprio, Creator/AdamDriver, Creator/MattDamon, Creator/TomHanks, Creator/JeanDujardin, Creator/BradleyCooper and Creator/JoaquinPhoenix were considered for Comicbook/LexLuthor before the casting of Creator/JesseEisenberg. Phoenix would eventually go on to portray [[Comicbook/TheJoker Arthur Fleck]] in ''Film/{{Joker\|2019}}''.
86	** Creator/TimothyDalton was considered for the role of Alfred Pennyworth before Creator/JeremyIrons was cast. Dalton would later go on to play the Chief in ''{{Series/Doom Patrol\|2019}}''.
87	** There were some executives at Creator/WarnerBros who wanted the movie to be a continuation of ''Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy'', and discussed the idea of bringing back Creator/ChristianBale to play Batman. Snyder wanted to hire Creator/JosephGordonLevitt as Batman, and Bale to play a different DC character just to hammer home that the new movie was ''not'' connected to the earlier Creator/ChristopherNolan films.
88	** A planned appearance from Creator/JaredLeto as Comicbook/TheJoker was cut, as was a similar appearance from Comicbook/TheRiddler. Snyder ultimately decided against it because he thought it would take too much focus away from the main characters.
89	** Before settling on ''Film/SupermanReturns'' and ''Film/BatmanBegins'', Creator/WarnerBros considered making a Batman vs. Superman movie. A script was written by Akiva Goldsman (who also wrote ''Film/IAmLegend'', hence the film existing in that film's world), and Creator/WolfgangPetersen was attached as director. They wanted Creator/JoshHartnett for Superman and Creator/ChristianBale for Batman. Interestingly, said movie would have been '''significantly''' DarkerAndEdgier than the one that takes place in the DC Extended Universe. It would have [[DownerBeginning started off]] with Bruce Wayne's fifth year of retirement following the deaths of Robin (Dick Grayson), Alfred Pennyworth, and Commissioner Gordon, and Clark Kent recovering from a devastating divorce with Lois Lane, reuniting with old flame Lana Lang. Bruce marries his fiance (with Clark serving as the best man), but she is mercilessly murdered by the Joker. Bruce becomes Batman once more to defeat both Joker ''and'' Superman, blaming him for his inability to save his fiance's life. It's eventually revealed, after a long battle between Batman and Superman, that Lex Luthor masterminded the entire plot. The two team up and take down Joker and Luthor.
90	** The movie was originally going to be a true sequel to ''Man of Steel'' that just happened to guest-star Batman in a major role. The inclusion of Batman convinced Snyder to begin fleshing out TheVerse a bit more by including Wonder Woman, which then led to other members of the League showing up as well. After this, it was decided that the most "logical" course of action would be to use ''Dawn of Justice'' as a lead-in for a Justice League movie.
91	** Metallo was considered to be the villain, before Batman and Wonder Woman were brought in. The character of Wallace Keefe is most likely an artifact of that concept.
92	** Had Zack Snyder not stepped down from the DCEU after his daughter committed suicide, it would've eventually been revealed that [[spoiler: the dead Robin we see in the movie was ''Dick Grayson'', not Jason Todd, in arguably the biggest diversion from the comics[[note]]in the comics, it's Jason Todd that gets killed by the Joker. His death drastically affects Batman, to the point that it wasn't until the third Robin, Tim Drake, took up the mantle that Batman was able to recover, with Drake's help[[/note]]. [[https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/justice-league-zack-snyder-robin-dceu His plan]] would've had Robin stay dead until the debut of Carrie Kelly, the fourth Robin (and the first female one). Whether or not this means that Carrie Kelly would've been the only other Robin that would appear, or if the other 3 Robins (Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Damian Wayne[[note]]Stephanie Brown the execs at DC reportedly hate[[/note]]) would appear but not ''as'' Robin is unknown]].
93	** Creator/JesseEisenberg was originally going to cameo as Jimmy Olsen before he was cast as Luthor.
94	** The concept art for Doomsday before his final design would have looked much more closer to his comic incarnation except for the possible lack of hair.
95	** The films title wasn't supposed to be a vs. title at first. Warner Bros. had registered many different, yet similar titles. In order: ''Man of Steel: Battle the Knight, Man of Steel: Beyond Darkness, Man of Steel: Black of Knight, Man of Steel: Darkness Falls, Man of Steel: Knight Falls, Man of Steel: Shadow of the Knight, Man of Steel: The Blackest Hour'' and last but not least, ''Man of Steel: The Darkness Within''. All of them weren't liked by fans for trying to hard to be darker and edgier sounding, which probably lead to the massive title change. Neither Snyder or Chris Terrio liked the Vs. Title mandate because they didn't view the movie in that way, and had to fight hard to get the Dawn of Justice subtitle.
96	** Creator/CarlaGugino was looked at to play Comicbook/{{Catwoman}}, who would've been Batman's ex-wife.
97	* YouLookFamiliar: Richard Cetrone first appeared in ''Film/ManOfSteel'' as Tor-An, the MookLieutenant tasked with arresting Jor-El and later pinpointing the signal coming from the Kryptonian scout ship. Here, he appears as a spectator in the fight club scene.

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