Line #56 StrawmanHasAPoint/WesternAnimation


1	!!The following have their own pages:
2	[[index]]
3	* StrawmanHasAPoint/TheDCU
4	* ''StrawmanHasAPoint/TheDragonPrince''
5	* StrawmanHasAPoint/MarvelUniverse
6	* ''StrawmanHasAPoint/MiraculousLadybug''
7	* ''StrawmanHasAPoint/RickAndMorty''
8	[[/index]]
9	----
10	* ''WesternAnimation/TheAdventuresOfJimmyNeutronBoyGenius'': In the episode "Men at Work", Jimmy's supposed to be in the right in a few occasions, but there are a few times where the audience [[UnintentionallySympathetic feels at least some sympathy for Skeet]]:
11	** Skeet, the employee of the month at a local [[BurgerFool McSpanky's]], is depicted as an idiot who can't understand that Jimmy's memorized the prices and can calculate the tax and change in his head, so he doesn't actually need to use a cash register to take orders. However, [[DumbassHasAPoint Skeet is absolutely right to object]]. While cash registers are used to keep track of prices and tax, they're also used to provide a physical record of financial transactions both for budget and inventory purposes, as well as providing customers with a receipt. Plus, employees stealing an extra dollar from the register every so often isn't unheard of in the fast-food industry, and if there's no record of transactions at all...
12	** In the same episode and immediately after the above, Jimmy insists on referring to some spilled salt as "sodium chloride". While we're supposed to think Skeet is an idiot for not understanding what Jimmy means, most people don't refer to salt as sodium chloride in a non-chemistry context, and those who ''do'' refer to it by its scientific name in normal conversation tend to come off as pretentious - like Jimmy does. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking In addition]], salt commonly found in establishments such as [=McSpanky's=] is not ''just'' sodium chloride, containing trace amounts of iodine compounds such as sodium iodate and potassium iodate in order to prevent deficiencies of the element. So, not only is Jimmy being pretentious about calling iodized table salt "sodium chloride", but he also incorrectly referred to the salt by a fraction of what it actually is.
13	* [[Characters/AmericanDadStanSmith Stan Smith]] of ''WesternAnimation/AmericanDad'' is often portrayed as a bigoted, self-serving sociopath who causes havoc over even the slightest problems. However, given that he lives in a CrapsackWorld where half the cast are almost as bad as he is, he actually often has a good reason to be annoyed (e.g. his ControlFreak in-laws taking over his house uninvited, his wife becoming a surrogate mother behind his back, ''any'' disagreement he has with either Hayley or Roger); it's just that his depraved overzealousness causes him to take much nastier measures that gives the other side the higher moral ground.
14	* The "Gee Whiz" episode of ''WesternAnimation/AquaTeenHungerForce'' has a segment on "Standards and Practices" that claims that the eponymous Department is "keeping good and funny ideas away from [...] the television viewer", the result being "a mediocre product that no one can relate to". In that segment, an example of these "good", "funny", "relatable" ideas is '''blowing out a nun's brains, covering the shooter in gore'''. While Standards and Practices in that segment seems to be okay with someone killing a nun if the blood is replaced by "a happy and colorful rainbow", killing an innocent nun is still not an idea that most people would find "good" or "funny"--and you really do have to wonder about just what type of people would actually relate to killing a nun. This is also ironic because some fans believed the show [[AudienceAlienatingEra declined in quality]] after Standards and Practices loosened their grip on the content.
15	* The ''WesternAnimation/{{Arthur}}'' episode "Arthur's Big Hit" has Arthur reach a RageBreakingPoint with BrattyHalfPint D.W's teasing, punching her hard enough to send D.W. to the ground. While it was wrong for Arthur to do so, it didn't come out of nowhere: reviewers point out that the show had to have D.W. continuously harass and annoy Arthur just so the punch didn't come off as an OutOfCharacterMoment, touching the model plane he was working on after he specifically told her not to, throwing the plane out of a window and breaking it, and when confronted for breaking it claiming [[NeverMyFault that it was Arthur's fault for "building it wrong"]].
16	* ''WesternAnimation/BeavisAndButtHead'':
17	** Every teacher or administrator besides [[HippyTeacher Mr. Van Driessen]] is made to look like an overbearing bully (Buzzcut) or a risible incompetent (Principal [=McVickers=]) when coming down on the title duo for their antics. However, anyone who has ever tried to keep a classroom full of high schoolers on-task will probably applaud every time the duo get thrown out of whatever classroom they're in, as doing things like sticking pencils up your nose, giggling uncontrollably at little things, and then throwing the pencils into the ceilings are undeniably disruptive to the educational environment.
18	** The episode "Copy Machine" has Buzzcut recruit the duo to copy worksheets for the class. As one might expect, Beavis caves to temptation and [[Main/CheekCopy copies his butt]]. In the end, [=McVicker=] chews them out - yet it never occurs to him that, by all logic, Buzzcut is at fault. His orders include the line "You will ''only'' copy the worksheet! You will ''not'' copy your butts again!", implying that this has happened at least once before (along with everything they've done onscreen). There's no justification for sending students who you ''know'' are incredibly unreliable and untrustworthy when you could send ''anyone else.''
19	* ''Franchise/Ben10''
20	** After Ben and the others believed that Zs'skayr and his other aliens have been eliminated, Ben makes a claim about how he did all the work in defeating the enemy. Gwen and Max are upset about this claim, and Ben eventually agrees with them and promises to work together. However Ben is largely correct. Gwen can only use basic magic and Max is a relatively BadassNormal, but still a regular person at the end of the day. Meanwhile Ben has the Omnitrix, one of the most powerful weapons in the universe, and it almost always on him to the heavy lifting. It doesn't help that earlier on, Gwen makes a point on how she does not need Ben's help which most fans sees her as being envious of him (although it's hard to blame her, all considered).
21	** Albedo from ''[[WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse Omniverse]]'' has been established to not give a damn about what others think, and will bend the truth to himself to make sure nothing is his fault such as how he [[NeverMyFault blames Azmuth for becoming the person he is]]. We're supposed to see him as an immature brat for such claims. However, at the end of "For a Few Brains More", rather than attempting to help Albedo, Azmuth [[spoiler:''messed with'' Albedo's Ultimatrix, forcing him back to a Ben form, and a ''younger'' Ben form at that, with both Azmuth and Ben laughing at his misery as he is imprisoned]]. In other words, Albedo has every right to blame Azmuth for becoming the person he is.
22	* The animated special ''[[Literature/TheBerenstainBears The Berenstain Bears' Easter Surprise]]'' has Boss Bunny quitting his job as the Easter Bunny, resulting in the seasons getting stuck on a permanent winter in Bear Country. When we first meet Boss Bunny, he is cast off in a negative light, not caring about Easter and calling spring a bore. Brother pleads with him to come out of retirement and make Easter possible so the seasons can return to normal. However, Boss Bunny is clearly too old and worn out to continue Easter preparations, and his body can't take the hassle anymore. Seasons getting stuck aside, setting up the factory, making truckloads of candy, painting millions of Easter eggs, and caring for employees year after year add up to a pretty taxing job.
23	** Papa and the cubs are seen as being in the wrong in "Too Much Junk Food" for complaining when Mama Bear disallows them any dessert, even when they get healthy again, because "[[SlipperySlopeFallacy it's too easy to fall into the junk food trap]]" and they're clearly painted as unreasonable since [[BumblingDad Papa is often wrong]] and the cubs are only eight (Sister) and ten (Brother). "Junk food" isn't actually addictive, and eating a little bit now and again is perfectly OK. Even ''the doctor'' acknowledges that eating a bit of it is fine and, for what it's worth, statistics have shown that kids who have junk food in moderation end up eating healthier than those who have no access to junk food at all, because they got the chance to learn self-control.
24	* ''WesternAnimation/{{Braceface}}'': In "Just Quacks", Sharon finds out that the duck conservation group her brother Adam wants to join also condones hunting. When she confronts Hannah (whose father runs the group) about this, Hannah points out that the group supports hunting because it helps prevent duck overpopulation and hunting is actually a major part of any kind of environmental conservation. She also points out that hunting isn't a crime as long as no endangered animals are being poached and if a certain animal isn't hunted out of season, not every animal population crisis is caused by hunting, and the conservation group follows ethical guidelines when it comes to duck hunting (no hunting out of season, no taking more what you need, etc). Despite Hannah's points being legitimate and true, Sharon brushes all these points off by believing that nature would balance itself out if hunters didn't exist (which Hannah immediately shoots down), and the show obviously sides with Sharon.
25	* This was a frequent occurrence on ''WesternAnimation/{{Captain Planet\|AndThePlaneteers}}'' with Wheeler, who was portrayed usually as an arrogant and obnoxious jerk and hence always wrong, despite the fact that he often made sense. In "Wheeler's Ark", he was mocked and declared selfish due to his opposition to keeping endangered and injured animals picked up in the group's travels on Hope Island, despite the fact that not taking exotic species out of their natural habitat is a perfectly valid GreenAesop on its own. In fact, the earlier episode "[[Recap/CaptainPlanetAndThePlaneteersS2E13TroubleOnTheHalfShell Trouble on the Half Shell]]" focused on the problems that can result when species are brought into new environments. This is not the only example. He has been "wrong" to espouse two entirely contradictory positions in two separate episodes ("Population Bomb" and "Numbers Game") and was somehow wrong both times -- even when the episodes came to the ''same'' conclusion.
26	* ''WesternAnimation/DungeonsAndDragons1983'' pulled an ExploitedTrope. Eric the Cavalier was enforced by ExecutiveMeddling as TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong, but Gygax and the other writers weren't so fond of the idea. Clever fans, particularly ones who understood the world of the tabletop game, point out on the fan boards and commentary that Eric tends to be dead right when it comes to most of his complaints, including the unofficial first rule of Dungeons and Dragons: ''Never trust a smiling Dungeonmaster.''
27	* ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'': In "Leela and The Genestalk", Mom is used as a caricature of companies producing [=GMOs=]. This episode (along with others) have made it clear she's very, very obviously OnlyInItForTheMoney, but she makes a number of valid points showing that in this instance her genetic engineering is actually good for everyone. Leela brushes all her arguments off with "we have no idea what the long-term effects might be," but never suggests what any of those possible issues would be (not to mention the setting of the series means [=GMOs=] have ''already'' been around for over a thousand years, which is a lot of time for long-term effects to have been studied). Unlike most examples, however, the episode is ambiguous enough that you can interpret it differently: Leela instantly gives up her morals when presented with a cure for her disease.
28	* In the ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' episode "[[Recap/GravityFallsS2E15TheLastMabelcorn The Last Mabelcorn]]", a unicorn judges Mabel Pines by claiming to be able to "see into her heart" and determines that she's not pure. It is later revealed to be a lie to get humans to leave her alone, but the unicorn brings up a good argument that [[SecretlySelfish doing good deeds for the sole sake of making yourself look better is actually rather self-centered]]. The unicorn ends up being RightForTheWrongReasons, considering all the morally-questionable actions that Mabel has done over the course of the series despite her kindness -- at one point being [[WhatTheHellHero called out]] by the BigBad himself.
29	* ''WesternAnimation/TheGroovenians'' has the BigBad tell the artistic heroes that nothing in life is free and that they have to pay bills if they want to stay in their new home. This is presented as corporate greed and the villains making life harder for the heroes for no good reason, but what he's saying is an absolute fact of life: a great majority of people, if any, can't just coast through life doing as they please and need to make concessions (like making money to pay bills) in order to do the things they love.
30	* ''WesternAnimation/InfinityTrain:'' Grace Monroe is presented as as evil because how she leads the cult called the Apex that is all about destroying things, raising numbers and murdering denizens. However she makes a valid point that they're doing all they can to survive because most of the cult is made of ''children'' who have no idea how and why they got onto the Infinity Train and the Train itself is made of cars with dangerous denizens.
31	* ''WesternAnimation/KimPossible'': Team Impossible are portrayed as greedy jerks by forcing Kim out of the hero business, but the thing is, if someone offered to do same work you did for free, thus putting ''you'' out of business, you too would be rather irate.
32	* ''WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill'':
33	** In "[[Recap/KingOfTheHillS13E1DiaBillIcShock Dia-Bill-Ic Shock]]", Bill is diagnosed with diabetes after gorging on junk food and collapsing from a blood sugar spike, and a few days later hospitalized after gorging on junk food ''again'' and having another blood sugar spike. The doctor who sees him is a [[DrJerk major jerkass]] who brushes off the nurse's suggestion of nutritional counseling, assumes Bill to be a lost cause, and tells him that he will inevitably lose his legs to gangrene and may as well get a wheelchair while he has good insurance. While his behavior would get a RealLife doctor in hot water, his attitude was at least slightly understandable. Bill was advised to eat right and exercise, which lasted for less than a week. And then on his hospital paperwork, Bill wrote "Jell-O" under "Are you taking any medications?" to remind himself to ask for it. Any doctor would conclude that getting Bill to make any meaningful lifestyle changes would be an uphill battle.
34	** In another episode, John Redcorn confesses to Nancy that he doesn't think Dale should be raising Joseph, his illegitimate son who was born as a result of their affair. The episode portrays John Redcorn as the one who's in the wrong, given that he's an adulterer who's leaving the task of taking care of his son to his lover and her oblivious husband... But it's ''not'' a baseless accusation. Dale is not only a hardcore ConspiracyTheorist, but also certifiably insane. He genuinely loves his wife and who he thinks is his son, but he constantly causes Nancy no end of problems by getting sucked into his latest delusion, and his love for Joseph sees him unpredictably flip-flopping between spoiling him rotten and setting an incredibly bad example for him. Honestly, Dale is one of the most realistic examples of someone you ''really'' wouldn't want to raise a child.
35	* ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'':
36	** In "Beginnings", when they meet up again, Jaya tells Wan that he and his fellow villagers attack any spirit they see just as the spirits attack any human they meet, yet he is presented as being in the wrong.
37	** We're supposed to agree with Suyin when she refuses to accept the responsibility of re-uniting the Earth Kingdom, and see Kuvira and Baatar Jr's acceptance of the task as a sign of their power hungry desires, but the Earth Kingdom IS in an immediate and dire crisis with thousands of lives and livelihoods at stake, the avatar is out of commission, and Suyin offers exactly ZERO constructive alternatives to Tenzan and Raiko's request. She may have JumpedOffTheSlipperySlope eventually, but Kuvira at least tried to do something.
38	* In the ''WesternAnimation/LittlePrincess'' episode "I Want to Be Queen", the Princess is clearly meant to be seen as unreasonable for complaining when the Queen gets pancakes while she has to eat cereal instead because she's a whiny four-year-old and the Chef tells her pancakes aren't healthy. However, the Chef's behavior comes off as rather rude when you realize that pancakes aren't more unhealthy for a child than an adult, and the Princess explicitly stated that she wanted pancakes ''for a change''.
39	* ''WesternAnimation/TheLoudHouse'':
40	** In "Spell it Out", while Lucy's siblings are in the wrong for "walking all over" her because they're clearly seen doing obnoxious things such as not noticing her when she's standing right there, they aren't actually in the wrong when they decide to paint the bathroom pink. All of the other girls, as well as Lincoln, wanted to have it pink, and she was the only naysayer in the group, so would have still lost even if they'd acknowledged her.
41	** In "No Such Luck", the family's decision to evict Lincoln from their home is condemnable, but there is no denying that they did so with the well-being of all in mind, while Lincoln, in helping to spread the rumor that he brought bad luck, acted selfishly, looking out only for his own well-being.
42	** In the episode "Brawl in the Family", Lincoln is meant to be in the wrong for interfering with the Sister Fight Protocol (a protocol his sisters cooked up for resolving fights between them), and that he should have let Lori and Leni resolve their fights by themselves. However, not only were the two fighting over something extremely petty (them buying the same dress), but none of the other sisters ever ''told'' Lincoln about said Protocol beforehand. Plus, the "compromise" ends with Lori winning by taking advantage of [[TheDitz Leni]]'s stupidity, which effectively means the protocol didn’t even work anyway. In addition, their fighting interrupts the others' daily lives (for instance, the brawling girls were "cooling off" in communal rooms such as the kitchen, the bathroom, and other people's bedrooms), making Lincoln seem ''more'' reasonable for wanting to intervene.
43	** "Chore and Peace" has Lincoln, tired of garbage duty, going on strike in an attempt to get a different chore from one of his sisters. While he's meant to be seen as in the wrong for not being content with his lot, we also see that the other girls have much easier jobs: ''three'' girls (Luan, Lynn, and Lucy) get to work together on one chore, Leni's chore is just pulling hair out of the bathroom drain, and Lori's chore of "laundry" has the washer and dryer do her work for her. With all of this, you can't really blame Lincoln for complaining.
44	** In "Electshunned", Mayor Davis' campaign manager, Vic, tries to turn the tide against Leni by pointing out she's too young to be mayor, whereas Mayor Davis is a full-grown adult. While he's shown to have done so just to turn the tides of the election, he has a point, since Leni is only 17 and is still too young to be a mayor[[note]]While there are a few instances of people becoming mayor at around 18 or so, the average age of candidacy in Michigan (where the show takes place) is 30 at the very youngest.[[/note]].
45	** In "Strife of the Party," Lola is meant to be seen as in the wrong for sabotaging Lana's seventh birthday party plans for fear that she'd ruin it. But the thing is that Lana doesn't think twice about whether Lola, or the other party guests for that matter, is going to stomach her planned party, which involves a dangerous bull for the guests to ride on, poop-colored party decorations, literal garbage for party favors, and a completely inedible mud cake. Lola's reaction may come off as rather understandable.
46	* The ''WebAnimation/MightyMagiswords'' episode "Suitable Armor" has Vambre meet her hero Steel Magnolia, who tries to help her rescue Prohyas from a dangerous monster by giving her protective armor. The conflict arises from the efforts to rescue Prohyas being hindered by Vambre refusing to wear pants with any of the suits of armor Steel Magnolia provides her with. The episode tries to portray Steel Magnolia as well-meaning but misguided due to her refusal to listen to Vambre's adamant refusal to wear pants of any kind, which one would be more likely to agree with if they were willing to overlook that covering up the legs (or any vulnerable part of the body, for that matter) is a very practical choice to make when engaging in combat and that Vambre could've saved a lot of trouble if she just endured wearing pants until she successfully saved her brother instead of shutting down Steel Magnolia's arguments on why she can't just wear armor without any kind of pants.
47	* ''WesternAnimation/{{Minoriteam}}'': In "Tribe and Prejudice", the two racist border agents accuse El Jefe of trying to smuggle illegal immigrants into America when he and his family are simply trying to return to America. However, "Tax Day" shows El Jefe actually does smuggle illegal immigrants into America thus making the border agents RightForTheWrongReasons.
48	* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'':
49	** The Canterlot Elite in "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E9SweetAndElite Sweet and Elite]]" are depicted as smug elitists for treating the ponies from Ponyville as boorish hicks. Even ignoring their assorted bad behaviors at the Grand Galloping Gala (the highest-profile annual party in Equestria), Rarity's friends crash and trash the Canterlot Garden Party (the second highest-profile annual party in Equestria) during this episode, making one wonder if the reputation for being boorish hicks is at least somewhat deserved.
50	** The Ponyville citizens in "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E15TheSuperSpeedyCiderSqueezy6000 The Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000]]" were supposed to be proven wrong for supporting Flim and Flam's machine-made cider and dismissive of the Apples' lower volume but higher quality product. However, the Apples were established as never being able to produce enough to meet demand, while the machine did initially produce adequate amounts of comparable if not equal quality. The only reason why it failed was due to Flim and Flam grabbing the villain ball by turning off the automatic quality control to win the competition against the Apple Family, which made the cider taste gross, as opposed to their method being inferior. It's hard to fault consumers for siding against a producer unwilling to compromise and meet demand, and the quality reasons are moot if they can't produce enough to let them enjoy said quality, ''especially'' when Granny Smith's reaction to Flim and Flam's cider implies it's almost as (if not ''just'' as) good as their high-quality stuff.
51	** The {{Loony Fan}}s from "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E14FameAndMisfortune Fame and Misfortune]]" are supposed to be disliked for [[KarmaHoudini getting away with]] harassing and criticizing the Mane Six over their characters and stories, despite them being real ponies and events they had no control over. But it's intended as an allegory for fan complaints against the show, which ''would'' be valid as the characters and stories are in the creator's control; the creators' job is to make the show satisfying. From that perspective, many of the criticisms ([[AesopAmnesia characters learning the same lesson over and over]], not liking certain characters, preferring things before changes to the status quo) are valid reasons for why someone stopped liking the show. While fans shouldn't take their criticism to the point of harassment, the complaints in and of themselves aren't that bad.
52	** "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E26ShadowPlayPart2 Shadow Play]]": [[PrecursorHero The Pillars of Equestria]] believed that Stygian [[SixthRangerTraitor betrayed them]] when they caught him stealing their artifacts and performing a magical ritual over them, so the Pillars cast out Stygian. After returning as the Pony of Shadows, Stygian reveals he only meant to borrow the artifacts to copy their powers to protect Equestria alongside the Pillars, [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone with the Pillars' negative assumption being a point of guilt]]. However, Stygian still took the artifacts without explaining what he wanted to do beforehand, [[NotHelpingYourCase thereby making himself look guilty of wrongdoing]] because he didn't even ''ask'' first. He also never explained himself [[PoorCommunicationKills after being caught]] then returned as a literal monster seeking to cause TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt, leaving the Pillars ample reason, and none not, to assume the worst of Stygian.
53	** "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS8E1SchoolDazePart1 School]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS8E2SchoolDazePart2 Daze]]" has HateSink Chancellor Neighsay trying to shut down Twilight's School of Friendship [[ObstructiveBureaucrat for not meeting EEA standards]] and [[FantasticRacism the danger he believes the non-pony students pose]]. However, no counterargument is made that the Mane Six's regular adventures and normal careers would interfere with being teachers (WordOfGod admits the heroes only have time for it because "[[MST3KMantra cartoon logic]]"), and they're also shown to not be that good at making sure the students are safe: the Mane Six mislead him about the students' whereabouts when they're in potential danger, [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS8E9NonCompeteClause one student nearly drowns in a later episode because Applejack and Rainbow Dash were too busy fighting]], and the non-pony races [[DisproportionateRetribution nearly declare war on Equestria]], which had [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTheMovie2017 been invaded by other foreigners immediately prior]], validating his distrust. Neighsay [[HeelFaceTurn does see the error of his ways and repents]] when the non-ponies save the day in "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS8E26SchoolRazePart2 School Raze]]". However, the BigBad nearly destroyed Equestria thanks to being in league with a villainous non-pony, misusing what they learned at the school, and they took advantage of the Mane Six's lax responsibility to get their hands on dangerous magical artifacts needed for their evil plan proves Neighsay's concerns were justifiable, even if he was being a jerk about it.
54	* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyMakeYourMark'': In "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyMakeYourMarkS4E2TopRemodel Top Remodel]]", Sprout claiming Canterlogic was still his despite being since abandoned and the heroes converting it into Canterlove Studios was supposed to be dismissed as him being an InsufferableImbecile unrepentant for his wrongdoings in ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyANewGeneration A New Generation]]''. But Sprout's argument that the property still belongs to his family was unintentionally valid as [[ArtisticLicenseLaw it's never addressed if/how it legally changed ownership after shutting down]], as would be his antagonism to the [[DesignatedHero "heroes" who'd be stealing his property]].
55	* ''WesternAnimation/TheOwlHouse'':
56	** Kikimora is a SmugSnake and a lackey for Belos, but she has a right to snicker when Lilith Clawthorne can't even take down an annoying house demon. Heck, Amity was able to beat up Hooty without suffering injury and Luz can punch him in the face. Even Eda says the same thing, mocking Lilith for not being able to beat her at her worst.
57	** In the first episode, the principal and Camila Noceda make the point that [[Characters/TheOwlHouseLuzNoceda Luz Noceda]] needs to be more normal and appreciate the difference between fantasy and reality, an idea Luz and the episode reject by declaring it's okay for people to be weird. However, Luz's brand of weirdness isn't harmless with her 'book report' resulting in several people being bitten by snakes and the subsequent episode has Luz put herself in danger because she's too invested in her TheChosenOne fantasy to notice several warning signs.
58	* ''WesternAnimation/ThePenguinsOfMadagascar'':
59	** Officer X. It's hard to argue with his grudge against the penguins given the constant scorn and public humiliation he goes through because of the penguins while he's doing his job. On the other hand, he has overstepped boundaries numerous times on duty, including committing property damage, so getting arrested and fired from his job aren’t unwarranted.
60	** Mixed with HilariousInHindsight, Skipper in "Truth Ache" is suppose to be his usual paranoid himself and way too distrustful of his close neighbors for gathering secret information from the other animals in case any of them try to attack them and they need some blackmail material. One later episode "Night of the Vesuviuses" shows that the rest of the Zoo were perfectly capable of attacking who are usually their BigGood once they challenge their plans, showing Skipper wasn't completely in the wrong for believing it could happen.
61	** Alice is meant to be a jerk in "Gut Instinct" because she refuses to let Gladys feed the animals in the Central Park Zoo, but considering changes in diet in animals can lead to diseases spread, this is very much justified and is arguably one of the few times Alice is doing her job. However, given Alice's [[{{Jerkass}} unpleasant personality]], it's not surprising that the audience could most likely side with Gladys in this episode.
62	** Similarly, an earlier episode "Popcorn Panic" frames Alice badly because she refuses to let visitors feed the animals, the only reason why she's meant to be in the wrong is because, once again she's very unpleasant and that the animals like popcorn.
63	** At the end of "Operation: Big Blue Marble", Skipper blames himself for the whole Furro incident but mentions he would blame Kowalski in the official report. This is treated as a comical case of TheScapegoat by the episode, except that Kowalski is actually the most guilty part in the whole operation, given he invented the machine in the first place, dismissed the side effects of the toxic waste disposal until it started happening, refused to hear Private's observation that adding more chemicals to the bubble could make the situation worse and didn't gave any of the rockets parachutes which is why they needed a rescue in the first place. While Skipper didn't help by forcing the machine to keep going and refusing to accept the evidence that the Furros are causing damage in the environment, is hard to deny Kowalski doesn't have an equal or bigger amount of fault in the entire incident.
64	** "Best Laid Plantains" is about King Julien and Marlene eating Bada and Bing's plantains and skipping town to not deal with the angry gorillas. When the situation was solved, Marlene asked King Julien if he had learned a lesson about not messing with other people's stuff, which he answered by saying that she shouldn't do it. While this is another example of King Julien [[NeverMyFault refusing to take responsibility for his actions]], he isn't wrong that she has no right to take the moral high ground, given she also ate her portion of the plantains, and her only point in favor would be a very poor attempt to stop Julien.
65	* In ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'' episode "[[Recap/ThePowerpuffGirlsS4EP2 All Chalked Up]]," Him falls into this. Although it came from a place of manipulation, HIM (disguised as a butterfly) still made a good point to Bubbles about how Buttercup had no right to try to tell Bubbles what to do (and to push her around).
66	* ''WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack''
67	** While Da Samurai was portrayed as a DirtyCoward for attempting to run away from the assassins that surrounded Jack, him staying back and attempting to fight them would have been him [[TooDumbToLive playing Russian Roulette with his life]]. With Da Samurai having little to no experience in martial arts, it’s not too unreasonable for him to not want to fight the assassins. It also helps that Jack didn't even hold it against him for running away.
68	** Inner Jack in episode XCV suggests leaving Ashi (pre-HeelFaceTurn) behind to die and go look for the exit himself. Sounds selfish until you remember that the previous two episodes had Ashi and her sisters try to kill him many times, and she isn't at all cooperative in escaping with him.
69	** [[spoiler: Mad Jack (as envisioned by Jack as a reddened monster-like version of himself to the part of cartoonishness) in Episode XCVIII may have cost Jack the battle and have no redeeming qualities about him... but he does bring up a good point: Jack has waited too long for this and others have suffered because of it.]]
70	* ''WesternAnimation/SantaInc'': [[spoiler:Santa's reasoning for not letting Candy be the next Santa is revealed to not be because of her gender, but because [[VillainHasAPoint she isn't good with children like Devin is]], and being good with children is the most important part of being Santa. (Even though he did turn out to be a drug peddling kingpin that took bribes, Santa never once was shown to dislike children, so he wasn't even being a hypocrite and was completely genuine in that regard.) He then points out that she's still very much a competent businesswoman in her own right, and offers her a position as a behind-the-scenes manager who can take care of the business side of things and train Devin to be a good Santa in an attempt to make a compromise. Despite this logical reasoning, Santa is still portrayed as wrong for passing on Candy as his successor, and Candy refusing his offer with a blunt "Go fuck yourself" -- which the scene treats as cathartic for [[DefiedTrope defying]] the BehindEveryGreatMan trope -- instead comes off as an IgnoredEpiphany despite being portrayed as right for doing so.]]
71	* ''WesternAnimation/SchoolForVampires'': Polidori is presented as the antagonist of the show, but he is right that most vampires are dangerous and a threat to humans. Oskar being a ReluctantMonster is an exception to the rule.
72	* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'':
73	** Most of the jokes about Seymour Skinner revolve around how he [[BasementDweller still lives with his beloved mother]] in middle age and his insistence that "she lives with me!". Given Skinner has a paying job as principal of an elementary school while his mother Agnes is frequently shown as quite senile, he has a point.
74	** "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS6E5SideshowBobRoberts Sideshow Bob Roberts]]" introduces Birch Barlow, a Creator/RushLimbaugh {{Expy}} who is presented as a radical conservative who puts emotion over rationality in order make liberalism look as bad as possible. But despite his extreme views, all of his accusations against Mayor Quimby are in fact true, other than him no longer being illiterate.
75	** In "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS8E14TheItchyAndScratchyAndPoochieShow The Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie Show]]", Comic Book Guy declares the episode of ''Itchy and Scratchy'' introducing Poochie to be the worst episode ever, saying "As a loyal viewer, I feel they owe me." Bart (clearly acting as an AuthorAvatar speaking to the fans who had been complaining about the show's SeasonalRot) responds with "How do they owe you? They provide you with hundreds of hours of entertainment for free. If anything you owe them." Except loyal viewers make advertising space on a show valuable, and the people who work on a show owe their success and livelihood to the money that the advertisers pay -- to say nothing of merchandise, or any platform in which the viewer ''does'' pay to watch the show, such as home media or cable[[note]]''Itchy & Scratchy'' is typically depicted as public access, while ''The Simpsons'' itself is a network show, so the "for free" argument works better for ''these'' cases, but not all television[[/note]]. Plus Comic Book Guy's appraisal of the episode's quality wasn't just picking nits or unreasonable complaints; it really was [[StylisticSuck a terrible episode,]] and much of the story hinges on that fact. Comic Book Guy is just the only person who's treated as wrong for saying it.
76	** "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS15E8MargeVsSSCCATAG Marge vs. Singles, Seniors, Childless Couples, Teenagers, and Gays]]" depicts the titular group as {{Child Hater}}s to parodical degrees, defunding anything marketed towards children to save tax dollars for adults who don't have them. Lindsay's argument that she shouldn't have to pay to support others' children would come across as selfish... if the episode didn't depict children in a pretty cynical matter. Even before the baby riot at the Roofi concert costs the town over a million dollars, Maggie's obsession with the singer [[IncessantMusicMadness annoys everybody in the Simpson household to the point of madness]]. When Marge uses Lisa as an example of why children are worth supporting, Bart and Maggie quickly provide a counterexample by locking the keys in the car and having puked in Marge's purse, respectively. Even the solution to the episode doesn't rely on proving that children are worth supporting -- it relies on all the kids spreading flu germs to the members of SSCCATAG due to their weakened immunity to childhood germs. Thus, even the organization's defeat supports the notion that children are generally detrimental. The only one who really cares deeply about supporting families is Marge, whose obsession with her family has been shown to come at the expense of her own mental health and self-preservation. Lindsay's stance may be extreme, but it makes sense she wouldn't understand Marge's point of view as superior based on this episode.
77	** In "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS11E13SaddlesoreGalactica Saddlesore Galactica]]", Lisa's school band competes in a battle of the bands competition. An opposing band from Ogdenville uses glowsticks and wins, even though visual aids were expressly forbidden. Lisa spends the rest of the episode appealing to higher powers until then-President Bill Clinton nullifies the verdict and declares her the winner. She is painted as a SoreLoser for doing so (with Clinton delivering the SpoofAesop "If things don't go your way, just keep complaining until your dreams come true"), but her outrage is absolutely justified. Even if it wasn't meant maliciously, Ogdenville broke the rules and should have been disqualified, and the competition judge brushed Lisa off when she complained.[[note]]Not to mention "Calmly and logically appeal to authority figures when faced with an injustice" is actually a perfectly respectable moral.[[/note]]
78	** In "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS20E20FourGreatWomenAndAManicure Four Great Women and a Manicure]]", the preschool teacher wants to squash Maggie's creativity. Most of what Maggie uses seems to be reusable (except the sugar cubes), but many preschools don't have the same resources. The teacher could have said that she is monopolizing resources and should learn to share, that she could learn to be creative with fewer resources, or she could be teaching and encouraging the other children (which she isn't shown to do until adulthood). Or at least point out that the sugar cubes will attract ants and other insects. Maggie gives a speech about artistic individualism, ignoring the possibility that creative people don't necessarily have anyone's best interests in mind, not even their own. But the episode does end with some HypocriticalHumor.
79	* ''WesternAnimation/TheSmurfs1981'': In the episode "The Magical Meanie", where after the Smurfs see a shooting star at the ending, Grouchy said "I hate wishes!" and everyone responds with "Oh, Grouchy!", but Grouchy had ''every right'' to say this, seeing as a JackassGenie had double-crossed them all.
80	* ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'':
81	** [[Recap/SouthParkS8E11QuestForRatings Quest for Ratings]] mocks modern news programs by having the boys revamp their school news show to appeal to the LowestCommonDenominator with sensationalism, much to Jimmy's horror. Jimmy eventually calls them out on their unethical behavior and caring more about ratings than quality news. The problem is the only reason the boys revamped their show in the first place was because their teacher threatened to cancel their show unless ratings improved. Since Cartman mentions the show counts towards their grades, it makes sense that they would do whatever they could to increase ratings.
82	** [[Recap/SouthParkS17E10TheHobbit The Hobbit]] has Wendy's points about Photoshop. To be more specific, while her way of proving her point was blunt, she did little in warranting the other girl's harsh treatment of her and she did have point on the whole "believing their bullshit" thing, considering that the other girls started getting mean and nasty after having their confidence boosted by their photoshopped images.
83	* ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'': Mewni has an extremely serious FantasticRacism problem against the monster population, with a handful of extremists who want to enact genocide... except it's eventually revealed that the conflict is far more complicated than the humans being jerks, but rather a matter of PoorCommunicationKills, since both sides see each other as a threat to their children (further complicated by the fact that the average monster is far more dangerous to the average human than vice versa). When [[spoiler: Star abdicated the throne to Eclipsa]], she immediately issued an edict to return all of the land to the descendants of the monsters that had been evicted by the humans hundreds of years ago; it's not shown on-screen whether this edict was enforced by the government, but the humans eventually all ended up living in the wilderness. Some of the humans were clearly there by choice, but the start of that trend was from a family settling there after losing what had been their family home for generations with no reparations or assistance after the fact.
84	* ''WesternAnimation/TimonAndPumbaa'': Timon is depicted as a LazyBum for not wanting to exercise in "I Think I Canada", but considering that the scale he stood on to gauge his weight ''laughed at him'' because of his small size, he probably saw no need to do any exercise at all.
85	* ''WesternAnimation/TronUprising'':
86	** Dyson certainly wins no fans by [[ColdBloodedTorture torturing Tron]] in ways that include use of a buzzsaw and just being a vicious, genocidal slimeball. But parts of the fanbase trained in computer repair pointed out that Dyson unfortunately had a point; the Isos ''were'' destabilizing the system, Flynn's infatuation with them was putting the entire Grid and every life in it at risk, and Tron's directive was to [[ThreeLawsCompliant serve Users]], even if the User's command was causing harm. Dyson's was to protect the integrity and stability of the system, even if it meant revolt against the User, akin to a ''real-world'' malware blocker that can and will prevent a clueless user from downloading suspect material and cleanse the system of what it believes to be suspect; even if the end user wanted it there.
87	** Cyrus is clearly insane and a StrawNihilist who concluded that [[ItIsBeyondSaving the Grid can't be saved]], so he plans on setting up an electromagnetic bomb to wipe the hard drive and everyone/everything on it. Again, real-world computer troubleshooting ''does'' have a "nuke and pave" option (if that hard drive is too corrupt to save, reformat and start over. Hopefully, you have your important files backed up). Even [[VideoGame/TronTwoPointOh the video game sequel]] used it as a plot point. And depending on your opinion of ''Film/TronLegacy'' Cyrus was probably right about the Grid being a hopeless CrapsackWorld and its inhabitants better off de-rezzed.

Context StrawmanHasAPoint / WesternAnimation