Line #84 Quotes/ValuesDissonance


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4	->'''The Big Cheese of the Publishing Biz:''' The depiction of minors consuming alcohol or anything with similar effects as good, funny, or otherwise desirable in any way, shape or form is a great big no-can-do. \
5	'''Rentarou:''' Huh...? But what about... the Drunken Lid in ''Manga/{{Doraemon}}''...? \
6	'''The Big Cheese:''' That was a different time.[[labelnote:context]]From 1983.[[/labelnote]] No can do.
7	-->-- ''Manga/The100GirlfriendsWhoReallyReallyReallyReallyReallyLoveYou'', Chapter 109
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9	->''"Many non-Japanese, including people from Africa and Southeast Asia, appear in Creator/OsamuTezuka's works. Sometimes these people are depicted very differently from the way they actually are today, in a manner that exaggerates a time long past, or shows them to be from extremely undeveloped lands. Some feel that such images contribute to racial discrimination, especially against people of African descent. [[FairForItsDay This was never Osamu Tezuka's intent]], but we believe that as long as there are people who feel insulted or demeaned by these depictions, we must not ignore their feelings.''
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11	->''"We are against all forms of discrimination and intend to continue to work for its elimination. Nonetheless, we do not believe it would be proper to revise these works. Tezuka is no longer with us, and we cannot erase what he has done, and to alter his work would only violate his rights as a creator. More importantly, stopping publication or changing the content of his work would do little to solve the problems of discrimination that exist in the world.''
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13	->''"We are presenting Osamu Tezuka's work as it was originally created, without changes. We do this because we believe it is also important to promote the underlying themes in his work, such as love for mankind and the sanctity of life. We hope that when you, the reader, encounter this work, you will keep in mind the differences in attitudes, then and now, toward discrimination, and that [[ValuesResonance this will contribute to an even greater awareness of such problems]]."''
14	-->-- Creator/TezukaProductions and Creator/DarkHorseComics regarding the trade paperback of ''Manga/AstroBoy''
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19	->'''[[OriginalCharacter Mrs. Coyote]]''': You've been letting [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer this boy and his friends]] bully [[Manga/MyHeroAcademia a Quirkless child]]?\
20	'''Principal''': [[LampshadeHanging We do not deal with such things the same way as you do back in America.]] In Japan, children are expected to deal with such things on their own. [[MiseryBuildsCharacter It toughens them up]].\
21	'''Mrs. Coyote''': Until they [[DrivenToSuicide fling themselves off top of one of your school buildings]].
22	-->--'''Fanfic/{{Coyote}}'''
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24	->Captain Archer is stunned when his steward Daniels declares that Enterprise is the focal point of a Temporal Cold War, in which the sexist exploitation of the 1960's conflicts with the political correctness of the 90's which in turn struggles against the militarism of the post-9/11 era.
25	-->--''Next week on [[Series/StarTrekEnterprise Enterprise]]'', a ParodyFic by Odon
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29	-> ''(to the store manager)'' In front of my babies, you got porno and homo shows up in here? What kind of freak-ass store is this?! ''(sees Marcus and Mike as they're walking out)'' Hmm, and you two motherfuckers need Jesus!''
30	--> -- '''Angry mother''' to '''Mike Lowrey''' and '''Marcus Burnett''', ''Film/BadBoysII'' (2003)
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33	[[folder:Literature]]
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35	->''"(UsefulNotes/AlexanderTheGreat's half-sister Cynane's) name is derived from the Macedonian for "little she-dog". I assume being known as Little Bitch did not have the same implications then that it does now. But that might be wishful thinking."''
36	-->--'''Pamela D. Toler''', ''Women Warriors: An Unexpected History''
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39	[[folder:Live-Action TV]]
40	->"Really, Doctor. I expected something more ''progressive'' from you."
41	-->--'''Dastari''', ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[Recap/DoctorWhoS22E4TheTwoDoctors "The Two Doctors"]]
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43	->She kept calling the Indians {{n\|WordPrivileges}}iggers for some reason, so I said "No, no, no! ({{Beat}}) It's the ''West'' Indians who are niggers. These people are ''[[DiscriminateAndSwitch Wogs]]."''
44	-->--'''Major Gowen''', ''Series/FawltyTowers''
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46	->''"I was 10 years old when I first saw WesternAnimation/AnAmericanTail, and I thought, "Yes! That looks delightful! Sure, there's a mildly unpleasant boat ride at the beginning, but after that, you get to take a flight around New York on an inexplicably French pigeon." But to the modern immigrant, that film is now a lie. A lie told by a friendly rodent."''
47	-->--'''Creator/JohnOliver''', ''Series/LastWeekTonightWithJohnOliver''
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50	[[folder:Music]]
51	->''"it is a funny (not ha ha) and uncool thing, the r word at the time was not something people thought about as something to be considerate of. it is a very positive evolution\
52	i am glad people think about it now and it is not a word i would use today. i meant it in the broad vernacular but that does not excuse it. i would never have used "gay" to mean stupid and i shouldn't have used it then to mean ineffectual or jive. thank you for pointing it out."''
53	-->--[[Music/XiuXiu Jamie Stewart]] in a 2019 Website/{{Reddit}} AMA, referring to the use of the word "retarded" in the lyrics of 2004 song "Bunny Gamer (b)"
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56	[[folder:Video Games]]
57	->''"Old School [[VideoGame/RuneScape RuneScape]] really is OLD School [=RuneScape=], and we recognise that certain elements of the game are far less acceptable than they were 20 years ago. Moving forward, we’ll address a number of issues to make Gielinor a more inclusive and welcoming place to be."'' [[note]]See [[https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Update:Gielinor_Gazette_-_June_2022#Diversity_and_Inclusion here]] for the list of actual changes they made to the game, which include: removing a NoManOfWomanBorn requirement from a quest that requires you to play as a female character, removing "Gypsy" from a character's name (likely a reference to [[UsefulNotes/IrishTravellers Irish Travellers]]), removed a reference to the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_of_Blood_speech Rivers of Blood speech]], and applying the player-sexual style of EveryoneIsBi to many occasions.[[/note]]
58	-->--'''Creator/JagexGamesStudio'''
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60	->''"I used to give out Coin Cases to minors that approached me, but then it became illegal."''
61	-->-- '''Man''' in Celadon City's restaurant, ''VideoGame/PokemonRadicalRed''
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63	->''"It's fascinating to see the differences in mindset between countries."''
64	-->-- Creator/CyberConnect2 CEO '''Creator/HiroshiMatsuyama''' in [[https://www.famitsu.com/serial/fuga/202208/16272097.html an interview with Famitsu]] for ''VideoGame/FugaMelodiesOfSteel''
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67	[[folder:Web Animation]]
68	->''"...what a lot of people forget about early cartoons [...] is that they could be really fucking dark. See, back then, [[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids it wasn't generally understood that kids needed to have their delicate sensibilities protected, as odds were pretty good they were all going to die in a European trench war before they turned eighteen, anyway]]. So thematically, cartoons were lighter on wholesome lessons about friendship and heavier on skeletons and racism."''
69	-->--'''Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw''', likening ''VideoGame/{{Cuphead}}''[='=]s animation style to UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation, in WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNN2etNrBoE review]] of ''Cuphead''
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71	->''You know, mythology and folklore as a whole is a really incredible field to study. There's so much creativity and wonder, and it's really fun recognizing story elements that have persisted to the modern day or been adapted in one way or another to stories we actually recognize. But sometimes, you find a myth that really reminds you that you're studying a different culture from a different time and place, and that culture from a different time and place might have held some pretty nasty attitudes towards your demographic specifically, and they didn't hesitate to document those attitudes for posterity, and that can kind of sting.''
72	-->--'''Red''' from '''WebAnimation/OverlySarcasticProductions''' on [[https://youtu.be/geaJPQkDXKk Pandora]]
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74	->''"''(singing)'' Say, what's in this drink? ''(speaking)'' Is she [[SlippingAMickey getting roofied]]? Like, what's going on? Is he about to date rape her? It's like, we're singing a song about Christmas, and suddenly, it's very very real and not okay. This is not a PC song, and I think that like, it's just, a bit too much--I mean, like, yes, I mind if you move in closer. Your pride? I'm not worried about your pride, I'm worried about my safety here! I gotta call an Uber for this girl who's singing this song."''
75	-->-- '''Yasmin Lopez''' commenting on the 1944 song "Baby, It's Cold Outside", ''Creator/SamAndMickey'' ("A Very Roberts Christmas Special")
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77	->''"So, I have analyzed the lyrics from all the Christmas songs, and they are all really quite problematic; they're racist, sexist, and little bit warped. We need more songs about the baby Jesus, 'cause y'all need Jesus right now."''
78	-->-- '''Yasmin''', Creator/SamAndMickey ("A Very Roberts Christmas Special")
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81	[[folder:Web Original]]
82	->''"Still, the core conceit still carries a lot of uncomfortable colonial racial baggage from the strip's 1930s origin: the hero protecting this African land [[MightyWhitey is a white man]] -- and, more to the point, the 21st in a ''series'' of white men who, despite living in Africa since the 1500s, have all apparently voyaged elsewhere to find wives, so as to continue to produce blonde-haired, blue-eyed progeny."''
83	-->--'''Blog/TheComicsCurmudgeon''' on ''ComicStrip/ThePhantom'', [[http://joshreads.com/?p=23682 "Don't call them 'Icemen,' that’s considered an ethnic slur"]]
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85	->''"Before the corn syrup industry rewrote our country's DNA to be mostly pancake, being obese was a bit of a novelty. If you sent a pair of today's average-size pants back to [[TheFifties 1950]], they would assume it was some kind of 15-man parachute and drop an airborne squad into Korea. So it's understandable that ''[[ComicBook/ArchieComics Little Archie]]'' and his writers had no idea [[FatComicRelief how to deal with]] fat people."''
86	-->--'''Creator/{{Seanbaby}}''', [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/8-bizarre-horrors-found-in-squarest-comic-book-ever/ "8 Bizarre Horrors Found in the Squarest Comic Book Ever"]]
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88	->''"What's hard to miss are the far less politically correct jokes, which [=StarVista=] thankfully hasn't removed, noting that it was a different time. It's amazing now to hear people make jokes about Italians and Polish people, but it's rather stunning to hear one comic make a watermelon joke... only to have Rickles follow it up with his jive impersonation. Better to know the past than to pretend it never happened."''
89	-->--'''[[http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/68458/dean-martin-roasts-hall-of-famers/ Francis Rizzo III]]''' on the [[TheRoast Dean Martin roasts]]
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91	->''"Osbourn can’t be trusted because he spent time in India, found an Indian wife, and contacted malaria, which makes him suffer fits of insanity. And after Emily gets pregnant, the Osbourns turn their attention to aborting that pregnancy—which feels like nothing less than a [[{{Anvilicious}} heavy-handed allegory]] for cultural purity... Some stories are better left in the past."''
92	-->--'''[[https://tv.avclub.com/the-making-of-a-lady-is-made-of-nonsense-1798179447 Sonia Saraiya]]''' on ''The Making of a Lady'' (2014)
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94	->''"There's no shame in obsolescence, really—it happens to everyone. I get the same sinking feeling every time a comedian I idolize rails against 'political correctness,' or a gay icon throws around '[[NoTrueScotsman trannies.]]' Oh. It's happening. You are getting old."''
95	-->--''Jezebel'', [[http://jezebel.com/madonna-what-are-you-doing-1510137010 "Madonna, What Are You Doing."]]
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97	->''The trouble is, I was well brought up in terms of minding my P's and Q's, and I say thank you very readily. This, though, I was told, is actually impolite in Mongolia. You can thank a host at the end of a visit but not for every cup of tea or glass of vodka. That would be insulting to your host because it implies that there was even a ghost of a shadow of a chance that they would'' not ''have been hospitable.''
98	-->--The [[http://staywhereyouare.fvu.co.uk/part-4-sacred-hospitality.html Stay Where You Are]] project
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100	->''I have no idea how this scene might have gone over in 1974. Maybe it was so commonplace that a police officer might be asking questions about a person with a specific heritage or skin colour that it didn't raise any flags. But in this era, 46 years later, the whole thing is beyond unsettling.''
101	-->-- '''[[https://toughpigs.com/sesame-rewind-officer-frank-oz/ Joe Hennes]]''' on ''Series/SesameStreet'', ''Website/ToughPigs''
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105	[[folder:Web Videos]]
106	->''"This movie has done for feminism what ''Film/{{The Birth of a Nation\|1915}}'' did for equal rights."''
107	-->-- '''WebVideo/BestOfTheWorst''' watches ''Film/Supergirl1984''
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109	->But you gotta note that the things I'm mocking and pointing out now were everywhere at the time, and that if i'd have pointed them out back then, the only reaction i'd have gotten would have been a ''"Yes, and?"''
110	-->'''WebVideo/JoueurDuGrenier''', on the racial stereotype, sheer pervertedness of the men, and so on, ''AB Productions Special episode''
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112	->"You do know that means something ''very'' different now, right?"
113	-->--'''[[VideoGame/BanjoKazooie Kazooie]]''', ''[[Music/ManOnTheInternet Gruntilda Battle with Lyrics]]''
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115	-> ''If you misunderstood [[VideoGame/Persona4 Yukiko]] as a [[ExtremeDoormat spineless, indecisive girl]] who threw away her future, then I don't completely blame you. Franchise/{{Persona}} games are special because we view them through our own cultural lens and life experiences. But the problem of having this cultural lens means we start framing the story and characters with our own expectations, and find ourselves trying to outsmart the story because it doesn't fit into a mold we forced onto it.''
116	-->--[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfBSSYfIvyg A.B.I.torial: Misunderstanding Yukiko]]
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118	->''In context, the motive and many of the aspects of the case make a lot more sense, stage names are passed down over generations (literally dating back to the 17th century), this would be like if Prince Charles was somehow kicked out of the line of succession[[note]]This comment was written when Queen Elizabeth II was still alive[[/note]]. Simon Blackquill is a character who does not fit this case as it was translated, but who works very well in the original; Uendo is a humongous shoutout to Rakugo. As a filler case in the original release, it actually worked very well as [[BreatherEpisode a buffer between the extremely dark 3rd and 5th cases]].\
119	Turnabout Storyteller is not a great case at all in the western version, but that's because it simply never stood a chance of surviving adaptation.''
120	-->-- Comment on [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUOYXcKtfJA this video]] about "[[VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneySpiritOfJustice Turnabout Storyteller]]" being the worst case in ''Franchise/AceAttorney''
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122	->"Y'know, every culture has its own points of sensitivity and its own really weird blind spots, and their blind spot for murder was a mile-wide"
123	-->--'''[[NotThatKindOfDoctor Dr.]] Garret "Toldinstone" Ryan''' on the Romans' fondness for BloodSport, during [[https://youtu.be/aMo6zdcShd8 Forehead Fables Podcast, episode 69]]
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126	[[folder:Western Animation]]
127	->'''Ivan Dobsky:''' Ohhhh Mr Drummond! Help! It's that [[UsefulNotes/NelsonMandela Nelson Bonjela]], [[YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters the most feared terrorist]] in all of UsefulNotes/SouthAfrica!\
128	'''Mr. Drummond:''' Ivan, It might be simpler if you just reversed ''all'' your [[UsefulNotes/TheApartheidEra 1970's preconceptions]].
129	-->-- ''WesternAnimation/MonkeyDust''
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131	->''"Oooh, old people movies. Get ready for references we don't understand and words we can't repeat."''
132	-->-- '''Mabel Pines''', ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls''
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134	->''Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. How can the thing [[ItsWhatIDo we've always done]] [[HeelRaceTurn just suddenly be wrong?]]''
135	-->-- '''"Nice" Lapis''', ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverseFuture'', "[[Recap/StevenUniverseFutureS1E8WhySoBlue Why So Blue?]]"
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137	->''"The cartoons you are about to see are products of their time. They may depict some of the ethnic and racial prejudices that were commonplace in the U.S. society. These depictions were wrong then and they are wrong today. While the following does not represent the Warner Bros. view of today's society, these cartoons are being presented as they were originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming that these prejudices never existed."''
138	-->-- ContentWarning presented by Creator/WhoopiGoldberg on ''WesternAnimation/TomAndJerry Spotlight Collection'' and ''Vol. 1'' digital release
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140	->''"This program is presented as originally created. It may contain outdated cultural depictions."''
141	-->-- Content warning shown before basically every Creator/{{Disney}} owned piece of media made before the 21st century on Creator/DisneyPlus
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143	->''"That was back in the 70's when things of that nature were legal."''
144	-->-- '''WesternAnimation/YogiBear''', ''WesternAnimation/{{Jellystone}}''
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146	->'''Libby:''' Many, many years ago, there was a bloodthirsty criminal named Harriet.\
147	'''Sheela:''' What was her crime?\
148	'''Libby:''' She sold uncured salami on Wednesday.\
149	'''Molly:''' [[FlatWhat Uh... What?]]\
150	'''Libby:''' Laws were different back then.
151	-->-- ''WesternAnimation/TheGhostAndMollyMcGee''
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153	->''"This isn't the 80's, Pat."''
154	-->-- '''Bandit Heeler''', ''WesternAnimation/{{Bluey}}'', "[[Recap/BlueyPassTheParcel Pass The Parcel]]"
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