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11	[[AnIcePerson Ice]] and [[MakingASplash water]] are two very common elemental properties to give characters in works of fiction. However, perhaps more than any other pair of elements, they are very close. After all, ice is merely frozen water, and thawing it out will make your ice attack a water attack.
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13	Thus, some works portray ice and water as the same element. A character's element may be said to be water, but they will still have command over ice. In video game terms, ice and water-based attacks may be considered the same for purposes of ElementalRockPaperScissors. Other titles may play with this idea to various ends. Because WaterIsBlue, when this trope is at play, expect BlueMeansCold to also be.
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15	Compare LavaMagicIsFire, this trope's fiery counterpart.
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17	!!Examples:
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22	* ''Literature/DateALive'': Yoshino Himekawa's Spirit magic focuses on controlling the three states of water, but ice is her favorite application. She can create blizzards, freeze her opponentes and shoot icicles.
23	* Averted in ''Manga/FairyTail'', where ice and water are very distinct. In fact, ice magic is considered a hard counter to water magic, as seen with Gray defeating the NighInvulnerable water wizard Juvia by freezing her otherwise intangible body.
24	* ''Manga/FlameOfRecca'': Tokiya Mikagami's [[ElementalWeapon Madogu]] is Ensui, a sword that can manipulate water in all of its three states -- liquid, ice and gas.
25	* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist:'' In ''Brotherhood,'' Isaac [=McDougal=], the Freezer Alchemist, can either freeze or boil water with alchemy.
26	* ''Manga/MagiLabyrinthOfMagic'': Ice Magic is rarely seen among normal magicians, as only Judal (a Magi) and certain Djinn Equipments are shown to wield such power, but it does belong to the Water Magic type (Judal is even shown gathering water from the fog to create a massive ice block).
27	* In ''Anime/MagicKnightRayearth'', Icicle Blades is the most powerful spell of Umi Ryuuzaki, the Magic Knight of Water.
28	* Zig-zagged in ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'', as ice jutsu are a hybrid of water and wind chakra.
29	* On ''Anime/SailorMoon'', Sailor Mercury's attacks have included not only water and ice, but even bubbles and mist. This helps differentiate her from Sailor Neptune, who had ocean based water powers.
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33	* ''Animation/BoBoiBoy'': The NextTierPowerUp of [=BoBoiBoy=]'s water elemental instead controls ice, while the other elementals' 2nd-tier forms turn into typically more powerful forms of the same element (from Lightning to Thunderstorm, Wind to Cyclone, etc.)
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37	* ''ComicBook/{{Aquaman}}'': Garth, the original Aqualad, learned to shape, manipulate and freeze water after he became [[SidekickGraduationsStick Tempest]].
38	* ''ComicBook/BloodSyndicate'': Aquamaria was transformed into a being of water by the [[MassSuperEmpoweringEvent the "Big Bang" incident]]. In addition to controlling water in liquid form, she could create ice sculptures and weapons from vapor.
39	* ''ComicBook/{{Lanfeust}}'': Cixi's power is to change the temperature of nearby water, so she can create ice, water or steam from, well, ice, water or steam.
40	* ''ComicBook/XMen'': On the surface, Iceman's power simply appears to be control over ice. However, his true potential allows him complete control over moisture. A story in the 90s had Emma Frost[[note]]who is a telepath with no ice-related abilities despite what her name implies[[/note]] taking over Iceman's body and pulling off all kinds of amazing feats with water, such as travelling through a river and using the water to increase his body mass. In "The Draco", Iceman was able to reform his body after being decapitated in ice form by using water from a demon opponent.
41	* ''ComicBook/{{WITCH}}'': Irma is the Guardian of Water. Over time, she learns to freeze water.
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45	* ''Fanfic/DungeonKeeperAmi'': As in her original show, Sailor Mercury, a Sailor Senshi with water-based attacks, has her ice-based attack, "Shabon Spray Freezing".
46	* ''Fanfic/PokemonMaster'': As in canon, Water and Ice are different elements. Though, Water Masters like Misty command both Water and Ice. Curiously, Ice Masters usually do not control Water.
47	* In Literature/{{Discworld}} fic ''Fanfic/ThePriceOfFlight'' [[KaiserReich Hanna von Strafenburg]] is an air combat Witch who ''could'' use air-to-air fireballs as a weapon if she chose. However, Hanna's proficiency is with the exact opposite: a short burst of extreme cold at not much above absolute zero, or else any water in the vicinity will coalesce as very cold, very heavy, ice moving at speed. Read more in the works of Creator/AAPessimal.
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51	* In ''Literature/CodexAlera'', Isana demonstrates quite handily that snow does in fact count as water for use in watercrafting. The trick allows her to survive a duel long enough to convince the guy she was dueling to cooperate with her instead.
52	* The Stormriders in the ''Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen''. They are a mysterious people living in a deep ocean trench, only appearing during storms, sheathed in ice armour and riding hybrid-mounts made of water and ice. In the general switcheroo of which elemental powers are accessible to which of the four Founding Races, ice seems to be taking the place of water and the Stormriders are said to be using [[FunctionalMagic the Warren]] of Omtose Phellack to manipulate water, which is the Elder Warren of Ice.
53	* Ice is explicitly part of the Water element in ''Literature/TheWeaknessOfBeatriceTheLevelCapHolySwordswoman''. This is best shown by the master of Water magic, Wildefrau, who has the RedBaron "Ice Waterfall Princess" and whose immunity to water also makes her completely immune to cold as well.
54	* In ''Literature/TheWitchlands'', Icewitchery is a subset of Water magic.
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58	* The mermaids featured in ''Series/H2OJustAddWater'' could manipulate water in certain manners. Emma, who is part of the original trio, can freeze water and manipulate ice, snow, and clouds.
59	* In ''Series/{{Heroes}},'' Tracy Strauss is first introduced strictly with freezing powers. Water comes later, learned at some point during a TimeSkip.
60	* In ''Series/KamenRiderWizard'', the title character's Water Style has a Blizzard attack when upgraded.
61	* In ''Series/KamenRiderSaber'', the secondary, Rintaro Shindo/Kamen Rider Blades normally uses watery attacks with his Suiseiken Nagare, but his final form is the ice cold Tategami Hyoujuu Senki.
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65	* ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons''
66	** The Ring of Elemental Command - Water can cast the spell ''wall of ice'' once per day.
67	** The water-based genies called marids are resistant to cold-based spells, indicating an elemental affinity with cold. They gain a plus 2 on saving throws and take -2 HitPoints per die of damage.
68	* The ''TabletopGame/PokemonTradingCardGame'' groups both Water-type and Ice-type Pokémon within the Water category, and both usually require Water Energy to attack. However, they are still distinguished from each other: Pokémon who are Water-type in the video games have Lightning as their Weakness in the card game, whereas Pokémon who are Ice-type in the video games have Metal as their Weakness instead. (Pokémon who are Water- ''and'' Ice-type in the video games, like Lapras and Walrein, can go either way.)
69	* ''TabletopGame/YuGiOh'':
70	** Ice-themed monsters are grouped under the Water attribute and are usually of the Aqua type. An entire archetype of ice monsters, the Ice Barriers, are the most prominent examples.
71	** The WATER-attribute encapsulates several ice-/snow-themed dragons. To wit, "Snowdust Dragon", "White Night Dragon" (a giant blue, crystalline dragon), "Snow Dragon", "Blizzard Dragon", "Dragon Ice", "Gungnir, Dragon of the Ice Barrier", the Trishula-archetype ("Trishula, Zero Dragon of the Ice Barrier", "Trishula, the Dragon of Icy Imprisonment" and "Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier") and "Invoked Cocytus" (the latter one is a bit of a GeniusBonus, since Cocytus is the frozen prison of Hell in ''Dante's Inferno'').
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75	* In ''VideoGame/NinetyNineVidas'', King's[[note]]and by extension, his DistaffCounterpart Hannah[[/note]] level 1 special summons a tidal wave that washes enemies away. Same with his knockback attack, which creates a wave of water to knock enemies back. His level 2 special changes it to a wave of icy stalagmites.
76	* ''VideoGame/BravelyDefault'' has all Ice and Water looking skills listed as Water elemental.
77	* In ''VideoGame/ChronoTrigger'', humans have affinity with either water, fire, light or shadow. Of the two water-types in the main cast, Frog's magic is mostly water-based, and Marle's is ice-based, though both can use it for healing as well. Similarly, in ''VideoGame/ChronoCross'', water and ice magic are lumped together under the Blue Element.
78	* In ''Franchise/{{Disgaea}}'', there are skills that are specifically stated to be "ice" or "water" attacks, with the accompanying skill cutscenes reflecting this, but they functionally use the same element.
79	* In ''VideoGame/DivinityOriginalSin'' and its [[VideoGame/DivinityOriginalSinII sequel]], the Hydrosophist magical school covers both water-based and ice-based elemental spells (and, incidentally, [[HealItWithWater healing spells]]).
80	* In ''VideoGame/DragonProject'', Ice and [[MakingASplash Water]] are considered to be the same element, which makes them strong against [[KillItWithFire Fire]] but weak against [[ShockAndAwe Lightning]].
81	* Water has only appeared sparingly as an element in ''VideoGame/DragonQuest'', but ice magic is typically used by aquatic monsters and enemies when they appear. In ''VideoGame/DragonQuestVII'', the Water Spirit can use Kacrackle in battle, which is the most powerful ice magic available.
82	* ''VideoGame/DungeonCrawlStoneSoup'':
83	** Merfolk aquamancers can manipulate all states of water. Not only can they drown players with torrents of water, but they can also hurl razor-sharp shards of ice, as well as fling balls of scalding steam.
84	** Player merfolk are good at learning [[AnIcePerson Ice Magic]], because, according to their species description, "their mystical relationship with water makes it easier for them to use poison and ice magic, which use water occasionally as a material component."
85	* The Water element in ''VideoGame/{{Elements}}'' has several ice-themed cards assigned to it, such as Freeze, Ice Bolt, and Ice Dragon.
86	* Zig-zagged in ''VideoGame/FantasyLife''. The magician's water magic is water magic in name only, consisting exclusively of different forms of ice. Fire magic, however, is strong against ice-based monsters and weak against water ones.
87	* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasy''
88	** In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIV'', non-3D releases treat Water attacks like Flood and Tidal Wave as Ice-elemental. The 3D releases instead add a proper Water element to the game and Flood and Tidal Wave, etc, are recategorized under it. The sequel ''The After Years'' reverts back to grouping Water spells as Ice-elemental for all releases.
89	** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIIRevenantWings'', in a departure from series tradition, classifies Blizzard spells and Shiva summons as Water rather than Ice.
90	* ''VideoGame/GodOfWar'': Poseidon, the Greek god of the seas, appears as an antagonist in ''VideoGame/GodOfWarIII'', manipulating water, which is his attribute/domain in the original myths. However, in the prequel, ''VideoGame/GodOfWarAscension'', Kratos can be granted a boon/magic powerup from Poseidon named "Ice of Poseidon": the player can release ice attacks at the enemies. This is unlike the original myths, wherein Poseidon does not have any control over ice.
91	* In ''VideoGame/GoldenSun'', Mercury [[PsychicPowers adepts]] have abilities mainly based around water, but use ice for several of their offensive abilities, and start off with Freeze as a field move.
92	* In ''VideoGame/GuildWars'' most elementalist water spells were ice based. This was later given a story twist in nightfall, ice is associated with the god of death, but water was separate and associated with a different god, Abaddon. However, Abaddon rebelled against the other gods, and was imprisoned and never worshiped since, leaving water's power to be taken up by other gods.
93	* ''VideoGame/HeroesOfMightAndMagic3'': The ''Ice Bolt'' and ''Frost Ring'' spells belong to the ''Water magic'' school. ''Water Elementals'' are immune to these spells, and can be upgraded into ''Ice Elementals''.
94	* The [[CoolSword Aquarius]] [[MixAndMatchWeapon Blade]] in ''VideoGame/KidIcarusUprising'' can freeze enemies with its melee attacks.
95	* ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'':
96	** Water-elemental and ice-elemental attacks and enemies are grouped together under the Ice element. Curiously, the two elements are separate inside Organization XIII, with Vexen having power over ice and Demyx power over water. However, Demyx's attacks still count as ice, and defeating him upgrades the party's ice abilities. This also means he's weak against fire magic, for whatever good that does.
97	** Averted in ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance Dream Drop Distance]]'' and ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsIII III]]'', where they're separate; they [[ElementalRockPaperScissors interact with other elements]] in a slightly different fashion and Water has its own attacks. ([[HeartIsAnAwesomePower Balloon]] in the former, [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Water]] in the latter)
98	** Also averted in ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHearts358DaysOver2 358/2 Days]]''. Here, each element has an extra effect in addition to the ElementalRockPaperScissors, whether it's a status effect or something else. Water has a "damage-drain" effect, which slightly heals the Heartless that used the attack. Prominent users of the water element in this game include the Turquoise March and [[DamageSpongeBoss Zip Slasher]].
99	* The Water Dragoon spirit in ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfDragoon'' seems to act this way. When Lenus uses it, her attacks all relate ocean's destructive fury (tidal waves, whirlpools, etc). When Meru gains the same spirit from her, all her skills (including a healing spell) pertain to ice in some way. Also, all the three water-aligned attack spells are based on ice, featuring a barrage of icicles, a freezing blizzard and a mighty geyser of water suddenly freezing solid and shattering.
100	* ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime'', the Water Medallion was intended to be the Ice Medallion during development. In the final product, this shows by the mini-dungeon preceding the Water Temple being the Ice Cavern, and the Water Temple's room in Ganon's Castle is likewise ice-themed.
101	* ''VideoGame/LiveALive'': Ice themed attacks like Akira's "Cold Day in Hell" are grouped under the water damage type.
102	* ''Franchise/MegaMan'':
103	** ''Classic'' series: Some of the games in the series (namely, ''1'', ''& Bass'' and ''11'') have both [[ShockAndAwe electricity]]- and [[AnIcePerson ice]]-elemental Robot Masters, with coincidentally there being no [[MakingASplash water]]-elemental ones, and [[PlayingWithFire Fire]]-elemental ones being weak to said ice Robot Masters. In such games, ice Robot Masters are also weak to the special weapon from the electric ones.
104	** ''VideoGame/MegaManBattleNetwork'', Aqua-elemental chips may have either water or ice-themed attacks.
105	** Both the ''VideoGame/MegaManZero'' and ''VideoGame/MegaManZX'' series have 3 elements: electric, fire and ice ([[MyFriendsAndZoidberg and neutral]]), but most of the ice reploids are either based on aquatic animals or can fight underwater. In fact, of all the bosses in both series, there is only ''one'' that fights underwater who isn't an ice type.
106	* The most common Meteo element on the planet [[SlippySlideyIceWorld Freaze]] in the original ''VideoGame/{{Meteos}}'' is the H₂O element. Averted in ''Meteos Online'' and ''Meteos Wars'', which have a separate ice element.
107	* Water is one of the ingredients to make homunculi with in ''VideoGame/MyLovelyDaughter''. Making a homunculi of purely water will result in Ice.
108	* While ''VideoGame/{{Okami}}'' averts this by making Waterspout and Blizzard separate brush techniques, the DS sequel ''VideoGame/{{Okamiden}}'' plays this straight by integrating Blizzard into Waterspout, which makes fighting teams of Fire Eyes and Ice Lips more manageable.
109	* ''VideoGame/PathOfExile'''s FireIceLightning elements use fire and lightning damage, but not ice; it's cold damage. While most cold damage spells use ice, other sources of coldness like chilling winds, spheres of water, or [[SpaceIsCold the void]] deal cold damage.
110	* ''VideoGame/PrayerOfTheFaithless'': Trill's Ice elemental Trances are all water-themed: Soothing Waters, Crystal Spring, and Perfect Calm.
111	* Through the ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' franchise, Water and Ice are two different types. However, several Pokemon are dual Water and Ice types, and virtually all Water-types are able to learn ice attacks like Ice Beam and Blizzard. Conversely, many Ice-types are capable of learning water moves like Water Pulse, which helps a lot to cover Ice's weaknesses to Fire and Rock types.
112	* ''VideoGame/RagnarokOnline'', the "water" spells all come in form of ice-themed attacks such as Ice Bolt and Blizzard.
113	* For the first two versions of ''VideoGame/RakenzarnTales'', this was averted with ice and water being two separate elements. When the elemental system was simplified in Version 3 and dropped from around a dozen elements to eight, water and ice were merged together, playing it straight.
114	* In the ''VideoGame/ShadowHearts'' series, Ice spells are part of the Water element's repertoire of attacks.
115	* In most ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' games, ice magic exists but water magic doesn't, so many demons affiliated with water instead specialize in [[AnIcePerson Bufu]] spells. For example, in ''VideoGame/DigitalDevilSaga'', the ocean god Varuna uses ice magic. Averted in ''VideoGame/Persona2'', where water and ice are separate elements.
116	* ''VideoGame/{{Skylanders}}'': Four of the Water Skylanders use ice in their attacks.
117	** Slam Bam is a [[MultiArmedAndDangerous four-armed]] [[BigfootSasquatchAndYeti yeti]] able to trap opponents in icy prisons and slide on ice for extra mobility. He can also coat his fists in icy mallets or maces to give his punches some extra power.
118	** Chill was the captain of the Ice Queen's guard, and is capable of throwing icy javelins and summoning ice blocks that she can push into enemies using her shield. These blocks can be made to explode and trap opponents in other ice blocks on one upgrade path.
119	** Freeze Blade uses a [[DeadlyDisc chakram]] made of ice and is also able to fire a "frostsicle" that freezes opponents in place. He also uses ice skates (literally, since these skates are made of ice) to leave trails of ice that slow down enemies and pirouette to slash around him.
120	** King Pen can unleash freezing breath that leaves an icy path that can freeze opponents. By destroying said paths, additionally, he can do a myriad of other techniques: he can surround himself in an icy arena, summon a hailstorm of ice from the sky, and even summon a giant glacier from below.
121	** In the fifth game, Portal Master powers relating to the Water Element all relate to freezing in some way. Water Skylanders can leave a trail of frost that freezes opponents that touch it either in a Water-elemental Zone or when they are low on health, or even freeze them outright when dishing out or receiving damage, or being summoned.
122	* {{Inverted}} in ''VideoGame/SuperCaneMagicZero'': the game only has an Ice element, and water-based weapons deal Ice-type damage.
123	* ''VideoGame/SuperMarioRPG'': Culex's Water Crystal mainly uses ice-themed spells. It is also weak to fire, something [[ElementalRockPaperScissors usually expected]] out of an ice enemy rather than a water enemy.
124	* Zig-Zagged in the ''VideoGame/TalesSeries''. Most games treat water and ice as the same element. ''VideoGame/TalesOfEternia'' and ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia'' separated them to facilitate the balance theme in both games. ''VideoGame/TalesOfLegendia'' separated them because water was lumped in with light instead[[note]]You see, the ocean is sacred in this game[[/note]]. In ''VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia'', ice spells are considered to be of both the water and wind elements. From ''VideoGame/TalesOfXillia'' onward, ice is simultaneously treated as the water and earth elements. ''VideoGame/TalesOfArise'', however, ditches multi-element spells, and plays it straight once more.
125	* ''VideoGame/{{Temtem}}'' has a variety of Ice-based attacks, all of which fall under the Water type.
126	* ''VideoGame/TrailsSeries'': Blue [[MagicFromTechnology quartz]] grants its user both water and ice orbal arts. They vary in strength, but the most powerful blue art is usually ice-related. They also differ in applied StatusEffects - ice arts also can [[HarmlessFreezing freeze]] the enemy, while water arts, starting with ''VideoGame/TrailsOfColdSteel III'', can [[PowerNullifier mute]] them.
127	* ''VideoGame/TwistedWonderland'': The "water" attribute allows a character to either fire ice projectiles or water columns, and its "stronger attribute" animation surrounds the character in snowflakes and has an ice sound effect.
128	* ''Warcraft'':
129	** ''VideoGame/WarcraftIII'': The Archmage can summon water elementals and bring down shards of ice from the sky. The naga (underwater snakemen) also use both: the Siren can create frost armor, the Sea Witch can use cold arrows, and the Royal Guard can throw huge iceballs and summon a sea elemental.
130	** ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'': Frost mages gain the ability to summon a water elemental along with their ice-based spells. In a reversal on this trope, many water-based enemy attacks inflict Frost damage on players.
131	* There is no ice elemental in the ''VideoGame/WorldOfMana'' series. Water elemental Undine provides ice spells instead.
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135	* PlayedForLaughs in ''Webcomic/MyImpossibleSoulmate'' where Nara recalls her old teachers jokingly telling her that [[https://mis.thecomicseries.com/comics/46 “being Frost-aligned still means you can still use Water magic if you’re patient enough to wait for the ice to melt."]]
136	* [[DiscussedTrope Discussed]] in ''Webcomic/DrowTales''. While in a classroom on magic, one student asks what, precisely, differentiates ice and water for magic purposes when they are the same thing in different states. The teacher explains that it is because manipulating them with their mana is different between the two states, hence why water and ice are treated as separate elements for their purposes.
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140	* In ''Series/{{Noob}}'', Couette, a water elementalist, at some point mentions that she can produce an ice wall.
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144	* In ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' and its sequel series ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'', waterbenders are also able to control snow and ice, and can turn water into ice and vice-versa. They can also control ''steam'' in the same manner. In a rare but logical twist, it's implied that ''this'' is the principle that [[DishingOutDirt earthbenders]] need to study if they want to bend [[MagmaMan lava]].
145	* ''WesternAnimation/{{Ninjago}}'': Ice and Water are typically considered two separate elements. Then in season 11, when Zane (Ice) is out of commission and they're trapped in a realm too cold for liquid water to exist for long, Nya (Water) spends a great deal of time learning how to manipulate ice. She doesn't have anywhere near the control over it she does over water, and there's no indication that Zane would also be able to manipulate water, but there's definitely some overlap.
146	* In ''WesternAnimation/{{Superfriends}}'', Zan and Jayna's WonderTwinPowers are that Jayna can turn into animals and Zan can turn into water or ice or both.
147	* In ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'', Malachite, the fusion of Lapis Lazuli and Jasper, can instantly turn water into ice to trap opponents or create projectiles. Lapis herself can turn water into ice, but majorly sticks to her hydrokinesis.
148	* Lance the Blue Paladin in ''WesternAnimation/VoltronLegendaryDefender'' is the Guardian of Water and is the most adept when it comes to underwater combat. His Blue Lion eventually gains the ability to fire beams of ice from its mouth.
149	* With the second season of ''WesternAnimation/XiaolinShowdown'' comes a power-up for the heroes where they can infuse their elemental powers into the Shen Gong Wu, generally of the same element. Omi found that using his with the Orb or Tornami (which summons a torrent of water) lets him make a bunch of ice.
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