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7	->''He had gone through horrible problems, and now he was gothic.''
8	-->-- '''Draco Malfoy''' (referring to Harry "Vampire" Potter), ''Fanfic/MyImmortal''
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10	The {{Goth}} subculture, the {{emo}} subculture, and other related subcultures originated from a genre of music.[[note]]The goth subculture started with fans of "[[GothRock gothic rock]]", a variation of PostPunk. Meanwhile, the emo subculture began with fans of a genre of alt-rock/punk music that originated out of an offshoot of HardcorePunk known as "emotional hardcore" or "emocore".[[/note]] Now, both subcultures have expanded to include any music, fashion, or media that celebrates the morbid, dark, and spooky. Goths and emos may have a dark aesthetic, enjoy reading GothicHorror stories, enjoy listening to sad songs about death, etc., but that doesn't mean they ''want'' pain, suffering, or death. [[note]] In fact, most of them listen to this music as a form of [[CatharsisFactor therapy]], using the music to help them through life[[/note]]
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12	You wouldn't get that impression from fiction, though.
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14	Most fictional Goths, emos, etc. adopt a dark aesthetic because they have some serious psychological problem, usually depression, but occasionally PTSD (or related mental disorders). At best, they'll be edgy and cynical. At worst, they may want to kill themselves or (especially in the case of emos) [[SelfHarm cut themselves]]. This stereotype is so pervasive, some people even believe that the emo subculture actually ''encourages'' self harm, which just isn't true.
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16	While there is some correlation of such issues with Goths and emos over other subcultures, it is slight, and it's usually due to the stigma attached to the subcultures than the subcultures themselves.
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18	Contrast PerkyGoth. If a morbid character with psychological issues is a villain, see DarkIsEvil and FreudianExcuse. If not, see DarkIsNotEvil. May overlap with TroubledButCute. If the Goth's suffering is played for comedy, see BlackComedy and TheChewToy, if not, see TheWoobie (do note, however, that The Woobie is YMMV.)
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21	!!Examples:
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25	[[folder:Advertising]]
26	* Parodied in an [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jX1kBjQga8 advert for a credit ratings firm]]. A sample random group of people (well, Goths) on a London Underground train are assessed on the basis of their credit records, from worst to best. The highest possible credit rating is held by a stereotypically grim-looking goth girl -- called Joy. When she realises all the things that are possible for her because her credit is so good, she bursts out into a delighted happy smile.
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29	[[folder:Anime and Manga]]
30	* ''Manga/FruitsBasket'':
31	** Saki Hanajima originally forced herself into becoming a goth, since she accidentally made one of her elementary school bullies pass out with her PsychicPowers and from then on only wore black clothing to punish herself for it. Her peers would either be afraid of her because of her powers, or mercilessly bully her to test if her powers were real. After befriending Tohru and Uotani, she came to accept herself and her powers, though she still wears gothic fashion out of habit.
32	** Isuzu "Rin" Sohma also shows an affinity for gothic fashion, and she's easily one of the most troubled of the cursed Zodiac members. Not only does she suffer from stomach ulcers that put her in and out of the hospital, but she's also deeply cynical and traumatized thanks to her horribly AbusiveParents.
33	* ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'': The Sand Siblings (especially Gaara) had a particularly rough and bitter childhood. Being raised by a strict, inconsiderate father, who only cared rather they'd be useful to him or not? Luckily they grew to [[TookALevelInKindness look past their neglect.]]
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36	[[folder:Comic Books]]
37	* Eric in ''ComicBook/TheCrow''. Eric’s a goth guy who receives superpowers in a very gothic way, having received them from a magical crow after being brought back from the dead. He’s consistently depressed and often mourns his dead girlfriend Shelly.
38	* ComicBook/ThePunisher suffers from PTSD, is a dangerous vigilante, and is heavily implied to be suicidal. His appearance is equally bleak, as he wears head-to-toe black with a white skull on his chest.
39	* Regan, a suicidal teenager, is talked out of jumping off a skyscraper by [[ComicBook/{{Superman}} the Big Blue himself]] in ''ComicBook/AllStarSuperman''. She's got choppy short hair and wears black and purple with stripes, and has piercings, all of which gives her a stereotypically "goth" look.
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42	[[folder:Fan Works]]
43	* ''Literature/HarryPotter'':
44	** The notoriously poorly-written fanfiction ''Fanfic/MyImmortal'' has the goths cut themselves for fun and try to kill themselves. In addition, most of the goths turned goth because of their [[AdaptationalAngstUpgrade tragic pasts]] (like Ron "Diablo" Weasley did it because [[VillainousIncest his father raped him]], Harry "Vampire" Potter did it because he'd gone through ambiguous "horrible problems", and Hermione "B'Loody Mary" [[AdaptationalNameChange Smith]] did it because she was kidnapped).
45	** The author of ''Fanfic/MyImmortal'' also wrote a fanfic called ''Ghost of You''. In this story, Hermione becomes a goth after learning that she's been adopted by the Granger family (who are turned into abusers).
46	* ''WesternAnimation/TheLoudHouse'':
47	** Downplayed in the fanfiction ''[[https://www.deviantart.com/firstdrellspectre/art/Loud-House-Fanfiction-Melancholinc-721941809 Melancholinc]]'', where Lincoln becomes an emo, not because he's depressed per se, but because he's angsting over being [[GreenEyedMonster jealous]] of his sisters being supposedly more talented than him and sad that [[IJustWantToBeSpecial he's "regular"]]. Maggie's emo-ness has a similarly negative, but minor, cause, of thinking seventh grade is pointless.
48	** Subverted in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12702080/1/The-Edgy-House The Edgy House]]'', where Lucy's goth behaviour is supposedly [[AdaptationalExplanation explained]] by her AbusiveParents, [[BigBrotherBully brother]], and sister, but then it turns out that her family's just fine and the whole thing was TheAristocrats joke.
49	* In ''Fanfic/MiraculousThePhoenixRises'', it's debatable Morgan's a goth given her dark attire, fair skin and red eyes. Of course she ''certainly'' lives up to the latter half of the trope.
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52	[[folder:Films -- Live-Action]]
53	* Lydia Deetz from ''Film/{{Beetlejuice}}'' is a goth, and at one point, she tries to drown herself.
54	* ''Film/TheCraft'': All the girls could count to a greater or lesser extent (Sarah attempted suicide, Rochelle is being tormented by a racist bully, and Bonnie is badly scarred), but all are acting under the influence of the ''most'' Goth friend in the group, Nancy, who embraces the aesthetic fully in clothes and makeup, and the gloomy mood, while the others are mostly just followers. It's no coincidence that, as the biggest Goth in the group, Nancy is also the most troubled, having a reputation as someone who sleeps around, who grew up poor and is abused by her [[WickedStepfather stepfather]], and who is dangerously unstable.
55	* ''Film/FriendRequest'': The unpopular Marina is known as a weird girl who makes creepy internet animations, dresses in dark colors, and [[GothGirlsKnowMagic is able to haunt a computer after she died]]. She also has a very messed up backstory, including such [[DarkAndTroubledPast cheery events]] like [[spoiler:a dead mother, life in an orphanage, and rape from boys in said orphanage.]]
56	* ''Film/GingerSnaps'': Ginger and Brigitte are somewhere between goths and emos - they always wear dark colors, have no friends, and are obsessed with death. They also religiously and seriously plan to commit suicide before they get their periods. [[spoiler:Only Ginger becoming a werewolf and murdering several people stops this from happening.]]
57	* ''Film/TheGirlInTheSpidersWeb'' has Lisbeth again as a goth in dress and interest, but changes up her backstory, without it being any less angsty: she is seriously traumatized because [[spoiler:she grew up in a crime syndicate with an abusive single father and fled by jumping off a cliff and running away to Stockholm.]]
58	* Very subtle in ''Film/{{Heathers}}''. The local punks appear to be pretty chill, but at the end one of them is sitting right next to the bomb that JD rigged in the auditorium. She ignores it while awaiting her seeming death.
59	* Parodied in ''Film/JennifersBody''. Colin is a downbeat-seeming goth who is shown to be attracted to the dark side, but is actually a nice guy with a very normal life that is contrasted against Needy and Jennifer's problems. After [[spoiler:his death]], his goth friends are shown to be near-obsessed with his grave and being the centre of attention. However, Colin's mom, who is genuinely devastated, calls it out for being performative and shoos them away.
60	* ''Film/TheRageCarrie2'': Rachel Lang is an unstable, depressed goth (although [[FreudianExcuse for good reason]] in mourning for her best friend Lisa, and fantasizes that it was her who died, shortly before [[spoiler:murdering as many people as she can in a house fire]].
61	* In ''Film/SerialKilling4Dummys'', Sasha has made multiple failed attempts at suicide, and has a fascination with dark subjects such as {{Serial Killer}}s. She encourages Casey in his ambition to become a serial killer, [[DeathSeeker with hopes of being his first victim]].
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64	[[folder:Literature]]
65	* Heavily implied in the case of Skye in ''Literature/ThirteenReasonsWhy''. She is a background character for most of the story, and all we know about her is that she's a goth; this is explicitly why Clay singles her out at the end of the story and reaches out to her, so she won't kill herself like Hannah. While we never explicitly find out why, the narrative seems to support pretty clearly that Skye's goth self-expression is very indicative of serious problems.
66	* Severus Snape from ''Literature/HarryPotter'' is the very meaning of this trope. This is a man who just wanted to be loved, but fate denied him on numerous occasions. Never mind that people neglected and bullied him in his youth, only for his true love, to date and later marry his most egregious bully. In his own way, Snape cared for Harry, because he was the only thing left of his mother that remains.
67	* In the ''Literature/MillenniumSeries'' and its film adaptation, ''Film/TheGirlWithTheDragonTattoo2011'', Lisbeth Salander is a goth, dressing exclusively in black or grey, listens to heavy metal, and dabbles in "alternate" communities. She is also a highly troubled BrokenBird and SociopathicHero who [[spoiler:burned her father alive, but didn't kill him, after he beat and eventually killed her mother, was nearly starved in a hospital, was raped by her social worker and so raped ''him''...]]
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70	[[folder:Live-Action TV]]
71	* ''Series/AmericanHorrorStoryMurderHouse'': Both teenagers Tate and Violet are modelled quite purposefully on the goth/emo subcultures. Violet was actually initially written as a goth, and Tate often dresses in quite a goth style, but also both have distinct crossover with emo culture, such as listening to sad music (Music/KurtCobain is a favorite), chain-smoking, and both are shown being fascinated (rather than scared) of the ghosts in the house. Both are self-harmers, and Violet is a depressed teenager who [[spoiler:commits suicide]], while Tate is [[spoiler:a psychopath who burned his stepfather alive, committed a mass shooting, and raped and impregnated Vivien]] from a combination of MommyIssues and the UsefulNotes/OedipusComplex.
72	* ''Series/CriminalMinds'': In the episode "In Name and In Blood", the person that makes things go awry [[spoiler:to the point that Jason Gideon, completely fed up, [[ScrewThisIAmOuttaHere quits the FBI]] and [[PutOnABus goes on a journey so he won't be found]]]], is a goth girl who, upon finding out that there is a SerialKiller on campus and that he's been apprehended and hoping he'll kill her ([[ICannotSelfTerminate she can't bring herself to commit suicide]]), [[JackTheRipoff kills someone imitating his style]] so the cops will let him go and approaches him.
73	* Played slightly more realistically in ''Series/TheFall2013''. Teenager Katie has been traumatized by the death of her father, and falls in love/lust with Paul, which leads to her becoming even more obsessed after she learns he's a serial killer. In Series 2, she starts dressing far more gothically, wearing all black, and fetishizing violence and death. However, this is pretty clearly self-aware posturing on her part.
74	* ''Series/TheITCrowd'': Parodied. When Richmond explains why he became a goth, he mentions how people at work started treating him differently for no reason. This social alienation caused him to turn to gothic music for comfort. However, flashbacks showed the reason people started treating him differently was because he showed up to work [[SelfFulfillingProphecy wearing stereotypically gothic clothes]].
75	* ''Series/MadTV1995'' has a 2006 ParodyCommercial for the "Tickle Me Emo" doll, Hot Topic's black-clad, {{Self Harm}}ing answer to the [[Franchise/SesameStreet Tickle Me Elmo]].
76	-->'''Announcer:''' Tickle Me Emo is the tortured, angst-ridden teen cousin of Elmo, and boy is he sad!
77	* ''Series/TheSopranos'': Vito Spatafore is murdered by his cousin-in-law Phil Leotardo for being gay, which is a huge no-no in the highly homophobic mafia. In "[[Recap/TheSopranosS6E16ChasingIt Chasing It]]", his son, Vito Spatafore Jr., starts to dress in all black and act out in school. Phil rather sanctimoniously tries to teach him to "man up" and take charge of his family now that his father is gone, and when he still refuses, has him shipped off to a MilitarySchool.
78	* ''Series/{{Victorious}}'': Jade dresses and acts like a stereotypical {{Goth}}. She also alludes to having had a rough childhood. In particular, she has a strained relationship with her father, stemming from the fact he disapproves of her aspirations for a career in the performing arts.
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81	[[folder:Professional Wrestling]]
82	* While Wrestling/DaffneyUnger is usually cheerful, Wrestling/{{TNA}} presented our goth goddess as suffering...enjoying her an incurable mental illness, perfectly at peace the fact it was destroying and would continue to destroy her life. [[Wrestling/StevieRichards Dr. Stevie]] even gave her purpose, help him take down other people with her.
83	* Technically there is only one "goth" in The Coven of Shine Wrestling, but the group follows the fashions of goth Chelsea Durden, rather than leader Erica Torres. Torres enthralled the other three into her {{cult}} in all but name by beating them into submission while promising them "knowledge". The Coven seek to expand their membership through more beatings, abductions and indoctrination, and though [[OddlySmallOrganization they haven't been very successful]] in that regard, Durden, Kelsea Raegan and Vipress have nonetheless had it pretty hard, and dress in gothic styles.[[/folder]]
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85	[[folder:Video Games]]
86	* ZigZagged by TokenEvilTeammate Shadowheart in ''VideoGame/BaldursGateIII''. She's a raven-haired young woman who was indoctrinated into the ReligionOfEvil surrounding the GodOfDarkness Shar [[TykeBomb at a young age]], and as a result of this she's a brooding, cynical, DefrostingIceQueen. However, despite her DarkAndTroubledPast she's ultimately a JerkWithAHeartOfGold and is shown to have more of a PerkyGoth personality once you get to know her.
87	* ''VideoGame/BeyondTwoSouls'': Jodie adopts a gothic ensemble after being bullied by the other teenagers whose parents work on the base, and if she chooses to get revenge on them through Aiden ([[VideoGameCrueltyPotential which is very likely]]).
88	* In ''VideoGame/BrutalLegend'', the Drowning Doom faction, which represents GothicMetal, is made up of undead goths who committed suicide or otherwise died tragically and they use their crushing depression as debuffs in combat.
89	* ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'':
90	** Lulu is perhaps the only character in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'' to dress in a gothic style. She struggles with the tragedy of her fiance's death and the failure of her previous Summoner's pilgrimage due to a mistake made by her.
91	** Cloud of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' was always TroubledButCute and wore a punky version of a military uniform in his original game, but in ''Anime/AdventChildren'' he is portrayed as having a gothic side, dressing in a dramatic black outfit with heavy silver jewellery, obssessing over the deaths of his loved ones, nursing an incurable disease, and living in a ruined church. This edge of goth style carries over to ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIIRemake'', where, although his usual outfit is basically the same as ever, his [[DisguisedInDrag dresses]] all feature a distinct goth flair.
92	* ''VideoGame/TheSims2'': Lilith Pleasant wears goth-inspired clothing and makeup, but she's [[DarkIsNotEvil never shown to be outright malicious]] and has just had it rougher than her twin sister Angela, owing to ParentalNeglect.
93	* In ''VideoGame/TotalDistortion'', Edgar Death is a zombie Goth rocker in the Distortion Dimension, who comes back to life just to play tragic rock songs. A radio broadcast in your Personal Media Tower implies that Edgar became this by combining his vocal talent with "mortuary science".
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97	* [[https://drawception.com/game/eMaRDOq8AF/is-w-d-gaster-a-fraud-pio/ This]] ''Website/{{Drawception}}'' game starts out with an emo who's an amputee and [[BlackComedy wants to cut himself but has no hands]]... [[SubvertedTrope then, it devolves into an emo who's an amputee]] and wants to cut ''vegetables'' but has no hands.
98	* ''WebAnimation/LaceyGames'' is a DigitalHorror series revolving around a bunch of [[DepravedKidsShowHost nightmarish Adobe Flash kids' games]] made by a [[TheOphelia mentally disturbed]], [[ChildHater child-hating]] goth girl who's implied to have been DrivenToSuicide some time after their production.
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101	[[folder:Western Animation]]
102	* ''WesternAnimation/TheLoudHouse'': While this is averted usually, with goths such as Lucy and Haiku being reasonably content if a bit cynical in terms of personality, in "The Crying Dame", when baby Lily's siblings are [[CheerUpEpisode having trouble cheering her up]], they worry that they'll never be able to and she'll grow up to "wear black and listen to sad music all the time".
103	* ''WesternAnimation/MarthaSpeaks'': When the kids imagine Milo as unable to feel joy due to not being able to have his favourite ice cream, they imagine him as a broody poet who wears black.
104	* ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'':
105	** Parodied. While the goth kids complain about the problems and drama that they suffer from, it's shown that they live comfortable lives. For instance, one episode had goth girl Henrietta claim her mother abuses her. However, the audience is shown that her mother is very nice and supportive to her; the worst thing she did was [[YouAreFat call her daughter fat]] (and that was only after a massive TheReasonYouSuckSpeech from Henrietta).
106	** Stan becomes goth in "Raisins" after he loses his girlfriend. Butters also suffers heartbreak in the same episode, but defies this trope when the goths try to recruit him telling the goths he'd rather appreciate that he was happy enough to be sad in the first place than embrace sadness as his entire identity. This is what convinces Stan to drop the goth identity.
107	** When Henrietta becomes emo in "Goth Kids 3: Dawn of the Posers," she claims she's depressed and addicted to cutting herself, though we never actually see this and it's strongly implied she's just putting on a facade of misery just like when she was goth.
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