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9	->''"Scientists are a bunch of romantics. Military men always consider the risks first."''
10	-->-- '''Colonel Shikishima''', ''Manga/{{Akira}}''
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12	A common character relationship in ScienceFiction and DisasterMovie that centralizes a BrainsVersusBrawn conflict, although this doesn't mean it can't appear in other genres. The Scientist wants to study and understand the unknown, or discovering/inventing something new, while the Military either tries to exploit it, or destroy it (out of fear of endangering the populace).
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14	Depending on the work, one side may be portrayed as more sympathetic than the other.
15	* With a MadScientist, he'd be delving into ThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow (ForScience) against the military's advice and warnings against it. When the MadScientist eventually succeeds (or having its projects GoneHorriblyWrong or GoneHorriblyRight), and unleashes some unholy horror on the unsuspecting populace, the military has to go clean up the mess. The message is that ScienceIsBad. Alternatively, the scientist may be well-meaning but misguided, reveling too much on his scientific curiosity [[JustThinkOfThePotential and thinking on the benefits]] or [[AdmiringTheAbomination how awesome the threat to the world is]] to not see the dangers.
16	* In works revolving around {{Science Hero}}es or ArmiesAreEvil, the military will be seeking ever-more-ridiculously-insane WeaponsOfMassDestruction, with the scientists (who tend to aim for their creation to be used for good) constantly warning that they don't know what they're dealing with, and trying to stop them (often through illegal sabotage). Or, when dealing with an unknown entity or facing some kind of disaster, the military will often try to destroy it in the most over-the-top manner available, while the scientist would call out the military for being rash and try to see if the thing/situation in question can be handled more peacefully or precisely (as an example: in the event of an incoming asteroid, the Military Man will just want to toss [[NukeEm all the nuclear missiles in the world at the thing]], while the Scientist will agree on the use of nukes, but will insist that ''precision'' is needed or else it will not work (so someone will need to go up to the asteroid to drill a hole to place the nuke in). The Military Man will inevitably become the CommanderContrarian and either have TeethClenchedTeamwork, decide that the situation is useless and try to abort (by any means necessary) or will jump the gun and try to set off the device in a time and place where it will be totally useless, forcing the Scientist into a RaceAgainstTheClock to put the device on the correct location before time runs out. If the threat instead is a monster or a person, expect the military man to offer nothing but AttackAttackAttack or MurderIsTheBestSolution, with little else changing from the previous example in terms of plot).
17	* If the discussion becomes political, expect the Scientist to stand by the side that protecting Humanity and the creation of a greater world for everybody is what is important and politics be (''need be'') damned, while the Military Man will cite secrecy regulations and the need to maintain technological superiority over the nation's enemies until his face turns blue. If the Military Man is the one in the right, he will be the one to state that "TheWorldIsNotReady".
18	* In a FirstContact scenario the scientist will most probably be the one who advises a peaceful, careful and thorough approach to meeting the aliens while the military man will offer nothing but varying degrees of GunboatDiplomacy, possibilities of starting an interstellar war be damned. In stories in which the scientist is the bad guy, they will usually go for a "[[TheyWouldCutYouUp vivisect first]], [[JustThinkOfThePotential mass-produce discoveries later]], [[IDidWhatIHadToDo apologize never]]" approach while the military man, while maybe trying to keep things under cover, will at least [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure listen to reason]] (especially if the alternative is an intergalactic war starting on his watch). If the aliens [[AliensAreBastards are a threat]], the scientist also is almost inevitably [[AdmiringTheAbomination too awed by seeing actual aliens in the flesh]] to notice the warning signs, and by then it's 50/50 about how the scientist will react (or [[SortingAlgorithmOfMortality if they survive]]).
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20	Other times, however, both sides may be gray and equally be right or wrong regarding the MacGuffin/entity/issue in question. They may not realize that each others' side might have good points and can work with each other, or they may not realize that they endanger the Macguffin/entity in question and made the issue more complicated than it should be [[WeAreStrugglingTogether by opposing each other.]]
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22	One side may be portrayed as ProperlyParanoid. The scientist might be a MadScientist, ReluctantMadScientist (or worse, KidnappedScientist), TheWormGuy, an IgnoredExpert or a PlayfulHacker (or worse, TheCracker), while the military might have TheGunslinger, SociopathicSoldier, GeneralRipper, InsaneAdmiral or ReasonableAuthorityFigure involved.
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24	Compare TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong.
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32	* The trouble in ''Manga/{{Akira}}'' comes about because of the military trying to use psychic powers as a weapon. The main conflict between scientists and the military is represented by the head scientist of the Akira Project and Colonel Shikishima. The head scientist is very much [[JustThinkOfThePotential interested in the potential]] that the psychics have, while the Colonel is concerned about the risks that trying to mess with such power can have. When Tetsuo goes off the deep end, the Colonel changes his focus from trying to control the power to ending a threat to the city.
33	* ''Manga/OnePiece'': In the flashbacks, Caesar Clown was an assistant scientist to Dr. Vegapunk, who works for the Marines. It was discovered that Caesar was building WeaponsOfMassDestruction considered too extreme for the Marines, so they issued an order for Caesar to be fired. When the Marines came to pick him up, however, he had prepared a potent, massive gas bomb that he triggered, causing mass deaths and forcing the survivors to flee from the island they're on, Punk Hazard. It also leaves gas that persists 4 years to the present, which he survives in thanks to his gas powers.
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37	* ''ComicBook/TheIncredibleHulk'': General Ross and Bruce Banner's relationship runs in this. While at the beginning of the comic (waaaaayyyyy back during the UsefulNotes/ColdWar) they were somewhat on the same page (because of Banner creating the Gamma Bomb), later on various Retcons and reboots showcased that Banner is a man who wishes to improve the quality of living of mankind (the Bomb was just a way to get funding for his more benign experiments) while Ross never wanted more than weapons. As well, the situation with The Hulk divides Banner and Ross more: when they both want it gone, Banner wants to find a scientific solution and Ross wants to put a bullet on Hulk's head (obviously Banner doesn't want the latter because ''he'' is The Hulk, and some stories have shown that even on the times when Banner would stand there and allowed himself to die, ''The Hulk'' wouldn't let him), and on other times Banner knows very well that the Hulk is an uncontrollable being while Ross wishes to find some way to weaponize him, even if it means making Banner a slave.
38	* ''ComicBook/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesMirage'': The Fugitoid invents the teleportal as a means of instantaneous long distance travel. The Federation and the Triceratons want to use it as an instantaneous bomber; for instance, by putting a nuke in a planet's core. Eventually the professor decides it better to destroy it so no one can use it at all, than risk it being turned into a weapon.
39	* Matt Hawkins' ''Think Tank'' is an entire series that explores all the moral permutations of this trope; from the ex-ChildProdigy turned adult prodigy protagonist being too blinded by scientific curiosity to realize what he's building to him realizing it and rebelling to him becoming resigned to the dichotomy and attempting to gradually change things from the inside. The military by contrast remains gung ho all the way through.
40	* ''Franchise/{{Tintin}}'': In ''[[Recap/TintinTheCalculusAffair The Calculus Affair]]'', Colonel Sponz has Professor Calculus kidnapped, because he wants to use one of his inventions as a weapon in war. Calculus refuses to cooperate though, and burns his blueprints rather than let them end up in the wrong hands.
41	* General Ross is doing this again in ''ComicBook/UltimateFantasticFour''. In a twist, his relationship with Reed is rather good, because Reed is just amoral enough to propose military applications for his work if he thinks it will help him get funding or smooth over his mistakes. Ultimate Reed eventually gets so frustrated about nobody considering non-weapon applications of his inventions that he pulls a FaceHeelTurn and tries to take over the world.
42	-->'''Ross:''' I agree to [[PunctuatedForEmphasis One. Simple. Test.]] And you trash a shuttle, wreck Vegas, and reveal yourselves to the public in a way we cannot hide or go back from, and for '''what'''? For '''what''', Mr. Richards?\
43	'''Reed:''' This is a hand-held death ray, General. Pretty easy to reverse-engineer and produce.\
44	'''Ross:''' ...I love you, boy.
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48	* Some ''Fanfic/BaitAndSwitchSTO'' stories allude to an InterServiceRivalry between the Federation Starfleet's military and scientific functions, exemplified by occasional arguments between Captain Kanril Eleya (a PriorEnlisted career soldier who majored in naval weapons at the Academy) and her science officer Commander Birail Riyannis. Who wins varies.
49	** In "An Anomalous Nightmare", Eleya fires on a NegativeSpaceWedgie that's crushing the ship, over Biri's objections that the NSW is a never-before-encountered life form.
50	** In ''Fanfic/AVoiceInTheWilderness'', Eleya wants to blow away an apparently abandoned Borg installation from orbit just to be safe, but Biri convinces her to hold fire so they can send away teams to investigate and possibly learn something useful.
51	** ''Fanfic/BeatTheDrumsOfWar'' has [[TakeAThirdOption Starfleet Science provide a solution to a military problem]], forcing an incoming Iconian invasion fleet to TeleFrag by opening a gateway into a black hole instead of the Sol system. [[spoiler:The admiral who died in the attempt is put up for the Medal of Honor at the end of the story.]]
52	* ''Fanfic/TheNightUnfurls'' has Shamuhaza versus Kyril. The former [[spoiler:delves into the [[ThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow Eldritch Truth]]]] and conducts [[PlayingWithSyringes inhumane experiments]] on innocents, while the latter leads an army to go clean up the mess.
53	* ''[[Fanfic/StarWarsVsWarhammer40K Star Wars vs Warhammer 40K]]'' has this dynamic in Season 1 between Dr. Shina and Jedi General Renphi during the Galactic Republic's FirstContact with the Imperium of Man at Pzob. After a BrainwashedAndCrazy clone captain [[RammingAlwaysWorks hyperspace rams]] his Star Destroyer into the Imperial refugee ship ''Atlas of Steel'', Shina advocates for the Republic fleet to immediately retreat into hyperspace since the Imperial warships clearly outmatch them and any hope for a peaceful first contact has been irreparably damaged along with the ''Atlas of Steel''. Renphi, however, doesn't heed her suggestions, optimistically believing that it's still possible to salvage the situation by rescuing the crew of the attacked refugee ship, thereby hopefully deescalating hostilities. When Shina protests his decision, Renphi has her forcibly escorted off his flagship's bridge under armed guard and locked inside the ship's lab alongside her science team. Shina ultimately turns out to have been right as Renphi's rescue operation is [[HelpMistakenForAttack mistaken for a slaver raid]] by the Imperials and the captain of the ''Atlas of Steel'' reacts by overloading his ship's Warp core and causing it to self-destruct in a TakingYouWithMe moment. With the total destruction of the ''Atlas of Steel'', the Imperial Fleet immediately attacks and massacres the Republic fleet at Pzob, starting a new galactic war.
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57	* Young researcher Milo Thatch gets his chance to find ''WesternAnimation/AtlantisTheLostEmpire'' by reclusive millionaire Preston Whitmore. Milo helps Commander Rourke and company locate Atlantis ForScience, vindicating Milo. Rourke, however, absconds with the [[MacGuffin Heart of Atlantis]], intending to weaponize its power, and dooming Atlantis in the process. It comes down to a ''mano-a-mano'' between Thatch and Rourke.
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61	* ''Film/AliensInTheAttic'':
62	** Sparks, the alien engineer, is constantly being bullied around by the three military members of the invasion squad while also questioning whether the humans deserve to be violently conquered.
63	** Tom is a mathlete and science fair competitor who favors learning about the aliens' capabilities and mission and taking the time to make practical weapons against them, while his cousin Jake, a paintball war games enthusiast, has a LeeroyJenkins attitude toward resistance at first. However, as the movie progresses, they develop into a BrainsAndBrawn team.
64	* ''Film/Armageddon1998'': Once the asteroid appears, the Joint Chiefs of Staff want to toss the entire nuclear arsenal of the world at the thing. The scientists at NASA know that, unless the meteorite is drilled into at precisely 250 feet, any nuclear weapon launched at it or used on its surface will only cause some pretty fireworks. It takes some effort for them to make the Joint Chiefs of Staff understand, and when they decide that the plan to send astronauts to perform the drilling seems to have gone belly-up, they immediately take over the Space Center and try to remotely detonate the nukes, even after being reminded that a surface explosion is useless.
65	* ''Film/{{Arrival}}'': Louise Banks (a linguist and the protagonist) is the Scientist and everybody else in her camp is the Soldier. When an alien race arrives to Earth and she is one of the many people assigned to a world-wide effort to make FirstContact, she repeatedly mentions the fact that the (literal) {{Starfish Alien\|s}} species is alien in terms of mentality (and they remain InscrutableAliens to the end) and what they think in and what ''humanity'' thinks of what they're trying to say is not going to gel without a ''hell'' of a lot of work in making sure that humanity isn't trying to attach the wrong context. [[spoiler:Two random soldiers on her camp sneak explosives onto the ship in an attempt to get rid of the aliens that nearly kills her as collateral damage and when the contact team in China assumes that they have managed to catch the aliens into a confession that they are here to conquer (and, oh yeah, they use "weapon" when they mean "tool"), Banks has to race to convince everybody that the aliens had no clue that they're using the terms the team was teaching them in an erroneous fashion, in order to prevent the start of an intergalactic war.]]
66	* ''Film/{{Avatar}}'': The {{Science Hero}}es Grace, Norm and ultimately Jake want to peacefully reach out to the local Na'vi and try to understand Pandora's unique ecosystem. The BigBad Quaritch is a ruthless [[GeneralRipper Colonel Ripper]] in charge of the private army of a mining operation, who wants to remove the Na'vi from the board and secure their resources. [[spoiler:Quaritch takes over the operation and begins scoring initial victories over the Na'vi, but his ignorance of the aliens' goddess (which turns out to be real and a scientifically explainable GeniusLoci) comes back and bites him and his military in the ass.]]
67	* ''Film/{{Bats}}'': Zigzagged. Both the scientists (well, all but one of them anyway) and the soldiers want to destroy the genetically engineered bats, it's just that the soldiers want to do it in a NoKillLikeOverkill bombing likely to scatter the bats instead of wiping them out.
68	* ''Film/{{Bumblebee}}'': Agent Burns (soldier) and Doctor Powell (scientist). Unusually for this trope, both off them are at least somewhat off the ball, being WrongGenreSavvy right from the start and remaining that way for much of the movie: Burns is convinced that he's in a standard ''Franchise/TheWarOfTheWorlds'' type AlienInvasion film and wants to destroy ''all'' Cybertronians regardless of faction, while Powell seems to believe he's in a ''Franchise/StarTrek'' like universe and has made FirstContact with an alien race whose technology will uplift humanity if they can only be convinced to share it. Also unusually for this trope, both eventually come to realize they're wrong. It helps that neither of them are actually the main characters - that's Bumblebee, an alien refugee fleeing from a genocidal new regime, and Charlie Watson, a human teenager who becomes his friend.
69	* ''Film/TheCore'': The military men in the story are [[spoiler:the ones who made the titular center of the freaking Earth stop moving. They funded the developing of a WeaponOfMassDestruction that would trigger [[EarthquakeMachine man-made earthquakes]], and their only reasoning behind it is that if [[DoUntoOthersBeforeTheyDoUntoUs they weren't the ones developing and using the weapon, someone else would have done so anyway (and tried to destroy America with it)]],]] to not mention that using Project DESTINI to try to make the core move again was their Plan B. The scientists of the story not only point out how brain-dead stupid was to develop the Project in the first place, but that said Plan B has a serious chance of making things worse.
70	* Combined with WorkingWithTheEx in ''Film/CosmicSin''. James Ford is a former general who became disgraced and divorced after using a DoomsdayDevice to end a revolt. He's assigned to work with his ex-wife Dr. Lea Goss, who as a young student wrote a thesis advocating genocide in response to an OutsideContextProblem but is having second thoughts when faced with actual FirstContact. [[DebateAndSwitch Unfortunately this conflict comes to a premature end]] by having her be [[TheAssimilator possessed by the aliens]] and start EvilGloating about how they are AlwaysChaoticEvil.
71	* This theme is front and center in ''Film/DayOfTheDead1985'', in which a bunker with a small group of soldiers and scientists continue to live and try to deal with the ZombieApocalypse. Captain Rhodes, the leader of the soldiers, sees the only way to deal with things are to either put a bullet in the head of every zombie or to escape the post, in the belief that their superiors are likely all dead. Logan, the head scientist, wants to communicate with and understand the zombies, and has made some small progress toward doing so with at least one particular zombie, but it's likely that his efforts are doomed.
72	* ''Film/DrStrangelove'': Admittedly, everyone is equally unsuited for addressing the threat, but the titular ex-Nazi doctor actually acknowledges the Cobalt-Thorium G bomb as horrific risk to all life everywhere, while General Buck Turgidson wistfully wishes that the US had one.
73	* ''Film/{{Epoch}}'': Doctor Rand (scientist) and Captain Tower (soldier) are a classic example. The former wants to study the unknown object that just appeared while the latter is more concerned about it being a threat. Fortunately, both sides eventually find that there's something a lot worse than each other: [[SpiesAreDespicable spies]] and [[CorruptPolitician politicians]], namely the NSA operative that sets a nuke to destroy the Torus under orders from Washington, something both Rand and Tower recognize will almost certainly fail and will only piss off the unknown object more.
74	* ''Film/EventHorizon'': The crew of the rescue vessel just wants to find out what happened to the missing science team and then plans to blow up the derelict ship after realizing it’s become a conduit for a CosmicHorrorStory villain. The scientist accompanying them wants to preserve the ship and study its paranormal effects, and quickly finds himself experiencing a dangerous SanitySlippage.
75	* ''Film/Evolution2001'': The protagonists are local, second-rate scientists vying with the military for control over a cave where a meteor strike has caused an alien ecosystem to develop. The scientists mainly want to study the aliens (and earn Nobel prizes for their efforts) and are the most proactive in hunting down the rogue alien beasts that are attacking random civilians. The military, meanwhile, are concerned with containment of the site, but carelessness and lack of serious research results in numerous security breaches, and when they decide to destroy ground zero with napalm, they fail to realize this will only [[FeedItWithFire accelerate the aliens' evolution]] and make them more of a threat.
76	* ''Film/DrStrangelove''[='s=] scenario is inverted (or at least played with) in the [[DuelingWorks dueling movie]] ''Film/FailSafe'': The "soldiers" in this scenario, the men from the U.S. Air Force that are struggling to stop the accidental bombing of Russia, are people who prepare for war because that's their job and patriotic duty but are understandably horrified at the concept of WorldWarIII happening (because they know perfectly well how apocalyptic it will be) and are willing to do anything (even work alongside the Russians) to prevent it, while the "scientist" Professor Groeteschele is a belligerent {{Warhawk}} who thinks war '''should''' happen because it's statistically likely that America would "win" and calls for a second wave with every other available nuke until he's put in place:
77	-->''"You have become no better than those you want to kill."''
78	* ''Film/FantasticFourRiseOfTheSilverSurfer'': Reed Richards and General Hager (implied to be former high school enemies) butt heads over how to stop the titular Silver Surfer from destroying Earth. Reed lets Hager know when he's making destructively stupid decisions, while Hager berates Reed for not being at his beck and call to design something to catch the Surfer and even goes as far as recruiting the far less trustworthy Dr. Doom simply because both of them can't stand Reed. Hager ultimately pays the price for his foolishness when Doom kills him to get the Surfer's board. (Note that in the comics, Reed was a WWII vet, which is mostly ignored today.)
79	* ''Franchise/{{Godzilla}}'':
80	** ''Film/Godzilla1954'': Professor Serizawa is the "scientist" in question in the dilemma of the Oxygen Destroyer. He knows perfectly well that if he makes it known to the world that it exists, the governments will stop at nothing to make him manufacture it as a weapon of mass destruction. When the original GodzillaThreshold is crossed, Serizawa makes sure that the Oxygen Destroyer will be used once and ''only'' once by destroying all of his research and dying alongside Godzilla.
81	** ''Film/Godzilla1998'': Everybody agrees on the fact Godzilla needs to die, but Nick Tatopolus (the scientist), being TheWormGuy, theorizes that Godzilla has left eggs somewhere in the city and thus there should be someone looking for them just in case (among general "we need to know more of the monster to try to kill it more effectively" talking), while Major Hicks and everybody else high-up only care about blowing away Godzilla, ''right now'' (and to hell with collateral damage), and the eggs thing (which turns out to be correct, much to Nick's eventual peril) is a literal afterthought. The military also wants the whole situation to be kept top-secret at all costs (which is flat-out impossible, considering the devastation that Godzilla does on ''its very first day'' in town is a comparably worse disaster (in terms of structural damage) to befall Manhattan than the RealLife 1993 World Trade Center bombings and maybe the future Nine-Eleven attacks), so when sleazy newscaster Charles Caiman (thanks to Nick's ex-girlfriend Audrey) releases information that ''is'' classified but really is inconsequential, they get ''pissed'' that Nick supposedly leaked info and kick him out of "the project"... to kill the giant monster... that is still roaming the city at the very moment they kick him out.
82	** ''Film/Godzilla2014'': Played straight during Monarch and the US Navy's cooperation. Monarch didn't try killing the MUTO in its cocoon during the years they were studying it (allegedly with a reasonable explanation that they feared trying to kill it might release the absorbed radiation, although it's also implied they kept it alive so they could study it and out of admiration while they believed it was no threat), but they still play AdmiringTheAbomination straight when they cooperate with the military to see the [=MUTOs=] destroyed to save humanity. When it comes to Godzilla, Drs. Graham and Serizawa clearly admire him as a PhysicalGod a great deal, whilst the US military operation led by Admiral Stenz has no such attitude towards Godzilla and prefers to attempt killing him with the [=MUTOs=]. True to its GreenAesop and how Godzilla fits into it as a force of nature, the film ultimately leans towards the Scientist side of the conflict, but despite the recklessness of the military's NukeEm plan which could make the kaiju problem worse, the military are not portrayed in an unsympathetic light, with Admiral Stenz ultimately being a ReasonableAuthorityFigure and the protagonist being a soldier caught up in the chaos.
83	** ''Film/GodzillaKingOfTheMonsters2019'': More minor or in the background than in the 2014 film, but still very much present. This film very much leans more towards the Scientist side of the equation: the scientists are advocating coexistence with the Titans as they are ecologically essential to the planet, and while some Titans are hostile to humans others are indeed benevolent, and a benevolent Alpha Titans can potentially get all the others in line; the government and military meanwhile ignore and care little for Monarch's arguments, and are just trying to use any good excuse to take over and try killing all the Titans indiscriminately with a short-sighted lack of regard for the consequences or how that might backfire. The military even [[spoiler:unleash an ''untested prototype'' weapon of mass destruction trying to accomplish their goal]] when they briefly take matters into their own hands, and they are arguably responsible for enabling Ghidorah's NearVillainVictory that takes up the second half of the film. Interestingly, there's conflict between the government and military on this end; Admiral Stenz looks terribly uncomfortable with how the senators dismiss and laugh at Monarch.
84	* ''Film/IceSpiders'': Upon finding out that the genetically engineered giant spiders might be escaping from the lab, the main scientist drags his feet at even considering there's a problem (although his colleague is much more helpful) and tries to keep his man-eating creations from being destroyed, while the soldiers rapidly deploy to contain the threat and protect the nearby civilians and tend to ignore him.
85	* ''Film/ItCameFromOuterSpace'': Astronomer John Putnam is the Scientist to the sheriff's Military Man (though the latter isn't literal) and the main conflict is over whether the alien can be reasoned with or must be killed.
86	* ''Film/{{Jaws}}'' gives us Captain Quint (a former Navy man) as Soldier and Matt Hooper as Scientist. They have the same goal, but have a mutual skepticism about the others' methods. Compare their actions the first time they see the shark: Quint goes to the radio and assures the harbor that they're alright, because he wants it all to himself. Hooper tries to get a photo and begs a terrified Brody to pose for it to get some scale.
87	* ''Film/JurassicWorld'': Owen Grady is training the raptors to get a better understanding of them. Vic Hoskins wants to use trained raptors as [[AttackAnimal war animals]]. This extends even higher up the chain. Owen seems to be the only guy in the park willing to treat the dinosaurs with the respect they deserve as powerful wild animals. Others are trying to engineer weapons like the Indominus Rex. Played with in that Owen actually ''is'' an ex-military man, while those who want to weaponize the dinosaurs are not. [[spoiler:He takes something of a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech from the BigBad of ''Film/JurassicWorldFallenKingdom'' for it, when said villain asks him if he even once considered that his research could be used to weaponize the dinosaurs and blaming him for their use as bioweapons for not realizing it. [[VillainHasAPoint Owen's taken aback by it]].]]
88	* In ''Film/ManOfSteel'', the Kryptonian military dictator Zod is pitted against Jor-El, who is a Kryptonian scientist. Zod wants to save Kryptonian civilization with what basically amounts to fascism (conquering other worlds and only allowing "worthy" bloodlines to exist) while Jor-El acknowledges that Krypton is done for and wants to build a peaceful bridge between the remnants of their species and Earthlings.
89	* ''Film/MarsAttacks'': The scientists of the film ([[TheProfessor Professor Kessler]] being the face of them) posit that the Martians, being a more advanced civilization, ''must'' be pacifistic and need be approached in the same way, while [[{{Warhawk}} General Decker]] recommends going to Martial Law ([[EstablishingCharacterMoment while the aliens are just floating around Earth and not done any contact]]) and ''instantly'' recommends [[NukeEm the use of nukes]] ("Annihilate! Kill! Kill!") when the Martians prove themselves hostile (although maybe just overreacting to the dove, which the scientists use to convince the President to try a second contact). [[spoiler:It turns out that the Martians are [[AliensAreBastards homicidal bastards]] on top of being technologically advanced, and humanity is screwed no matter what.]]
90	* ''Film/{{Meteor}}'': The main conflict between Dr. Paul Bradley (and his friend Harry) and General Adlon is that Bradley created the "Hercules" satellite (an orbital nuclear missile silo) in order to protect Earth from possible asteroid strikes (like the one that is coming towards Earth), while the general was one of the men who advocated putting it on Earth's orbit... [[KillSat only pointing down towards the Soviet Union instead]]. After Dr. Bradley and Harry figure out that there is not enough firepower on "Hercules" alone to prevent the asteroid from destroying Earth, they enlist the help of the scientist who helped develop "Peter the Great" (the Soviet counterpart to "Hercules", which is also in orbit and pointing down towards the U.S.). None of the scientists have a problem helping each other, but the military men on both sides are absolutely raging about it (Adlon [[LargeHam being the most belligerent of all]]).
91	* ''Film/{{Python}}'': Parker is an NSA agent rather than a soldier, but otherwise, this describes his relationship with Dr. Rudolph (who keeps urging him to JustThinkOfThePotential and constantly sabotages his efforts to kill the snake) in a nutshell. [[spoiler:Ironically, Parker's death causes Rudolph to have a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment and work to kill the python.]]
92	* Young maverick prodigies Mitch Taylor and Chris Knight from ''Film/RealGenius'' build an awesomely powerful laser ForScience, which they believe will only further their studies as sponsored post-graduates. When their mentor reveals his intent to remand the laser to the military, Mitch and Chris engineer a DisastrousDemonstration.
93	* ''Film/{{Stargate}}'': While archaeologist Daniel traveled through the titular stargate to learn about what's on the other side, Colonel Jack O'Neil was sent through with a nuke, with orders to use it against anything that could pose a threat.
94	* ''Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan''. The scientist David Marcus is distrustful of Starfleet, as he considers scientists to be pawns of the military. He worries that Starfleet will use the Genesis device he co-created as a WeaponOfMassDestruction. He particularly dislikes Admiral Kirk, who he thinks murdered everyone who was left on board the Regula-1 space station.
95	* ''Film/Super8'': The Air Force want to keep [[spoiler:the burrowing alien]] under wraps and consider it a threat, not necessarily without reason. Dr. Woodward, who has rather more insight into the situation, wants to help it return home.
96	* ''Film/TheSwarm1978'' has the military wanting to use pesticides that would damage the environment while entomologist Dr. Brad Crane keeps suggesting other methods. Unfortunately, the threat of the killer bees is so over-hyped (at one stage, they cause the [[FailsafeFailure explosion of a nuclear power plant]]) that Crane's continuing refusal is hard to justify.
97	* ''Film/TheThingFromAnotherWorld'': The head scientist in this scenario (Dr. Carrington) wishes to preserve and make contact with the titular alien creature (and also tries to breed mini-Things by using the dead carcasses of the station's sleigh dogs, denies any deaths as "accidents" and sabotages attempts to kill the Thing by the others), because he assumes that the alien has great wisdom and knowledge that it could share with mankind ([[LogicalFallacies just because it's an ancient alien]]). On the flip side of the coin, the main characters -- military men, as well as the scientist's GirlFriday, a reporter and (by the end of the movie) Carrington's fellow scientists -- clearly see the writing on the wall (that the Thing is a [[AliensAreBastards murderous brute]] that will kill everybody that gets in arm's reach) and aim to kill it first.
98	* ''Film/WildWildWest'': Artemus Gordon, U.S. Marshal, and James West, U.S. Army, are effectively a steampunk [=MacGyver=] and a steampunk James Bond. One is a GadgeteerGenius who DoesntLikeGuns, the other is a career soldier now in intelligence whose working style is described by his superior as "shoot first, shoot later, shoot some more, and then when everybody's dead maybe try to ask a question or two." Naturally, they don't take to each other at first. By the end, West has finally learned that there's something to Gordon's contraptions after all, while Gordon has finally started carrying (and using) a gun.
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102	* In ''Literature/{{Contact}}'', ScienceHero Ellie is contrasted this way with the secretary of defense, who is constantly wary that the aliens' attempts at communication could be some kind of TrojanHorse or other attempt to subvert human freedom. His concerns are reasonable and always taken seriously, but in the end Ellie's optimistic view of alien intentions is closer to the truth.
103	* Both ''Literature/TheHungryPlague'' novels follow scientists working with soldiers during the ZombieApocalypse. ''Literature/TheBoyOnTheBridge'' has the military leaders caring only about dominance and merely using the scientists' efforts to distract people. The common soldiers have more integrity but view the scientists as naive, judgmental, and unlikely to accomplish something, while the scientists seem them as too callous towards killing [[NotUsingTheZWord Hungries]], and likely to exploit their discoveries by [[spoiler:[[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman breeding the hungries children like cattle and slaughtering them to make a vaccine which will only provide short-term relief]]]]. By the time of ''Literature/TheGirlWithAllTheGifts'', the dynamic has evolved, but Dr. Caldwell bosses around her soldiers guarding her with a certain sense of entitlement, while caring little for their sacrifices, while the soldiers are hardened and dismissive of the scientists' efforts, believing them to be unnerving and inefficient.
104	* In ''Literature/InvasionEarth'', there is some conflict in the novel between Colonel Rob Hayward and the linguist Nadia Adrianova, the people chosen by the U.S. and the Soviet Union to make contact with the friendly aliens that arrived to Earth, seeking resources (radioactive material) to help fight a hostile race. The former, naturally, sees everything from a military viewpoint, while Nadia is a civilian. At the end, [[spoiler:Nadia admonishes the military for destroying an alien ship and bluffing TheMothership into leaving the system, when humanity could've extended a hand of friendship to the aliens. On the other hand, the alien ship she was talking about has just threatened to drop radiation bombs on cities, and the aliens have already wiped out two cities, killing over a million people, and the fortress could have done the same. Fact is, the military may have been right here, given the aliens' intentions (turns out, ''both sides'' are hostile -- a team of con men PlanetLooters that have pulled the "invasion" scheme before and have no problem doing it for real if push comes to shove)]].
105	* Averted in ''Literature/IslandInTheSeaOfTimeSeries'' -- Commodore Marian Alston, the head of the Nantucket Army, gets along just fine with Ian and Doreen Arnstein, Nantucket's premiere science geeks. It probably helps that Alston's partner Swindapa is something of a scientist herself.
106	* ''Literature/{{Sphere}}'': [[TheWormGuy Everybody else]] on [[UnderwaterBase The Habitat]] vs. Barnes. While he makes certain good points (like insisting on Jerry's "real name" because there is ''no way'' that an alien hundreds of years old can have that as a real name, and so it must be hiding something), he still disregards the potential of a FirstContact to instead try to focus on looking on technology that could be applied as a weapon.
107	* A major theme in ''Literature/TheWarAgainstTheChtorr'', as the protagonist is both soldier and scientist and can therefore see both arguments (the scientists want to study the alien invaders, but that means allowing their ecology to gain enough of a foothold to understand how it works. The military want to burn the Chtorr ''before'' they can get a foothold, but this approach is inherently flawed, as without better knowledge of the Chtorr the war is hopeless anyway). He's not alone in this viewpoint, but it just tends to make the shouting matches even more confusing.
108	* ''Literature/WildCards'': Dr. Tachyon, part of the scientist caste on his home world, chafes against army officials when he first arrives on Earth. It's exacerbated in his case because, back on Takis, the scientist caste ''is'' in charge of the military (for the record, his planet's culture isn't so much "enlightened" as very, very alien).
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112	* In ''Series/{{Bones}}'', Agent Booth, a former military sniper, initially shows a lot of disdain for scientists, and this fuels much of the early UnresolvedSexualTension between him and Dr. Temperance Brennan. As the series goes on, he develops more respect for scientists.
113	* Goes back and forth in ''Series/{{Chernobyl}}'', with politicians often taking the traditional "soldier" role. Legasov and Khomyuk, the scientists, push against the party men for either trying to downplay the disaster or choosing bad solutions for political expediency. However, Khomyuk pushes against Legasov himself because he's done his own share of covering up and doesn't want to stick his neck out anymore. Local political leaders (like Bryukhanov, Zharkov, and Garanin) are prone to ass-covering and try to discredit the scientists, but Shcherbina, the apparatchik in charge, is initially resistant only because he doesn't ''understand'' the stakes. Once he does, he becomes a BadassBureaucrat and at one point has his own nuclear meltdown on the Kremlin when their propagandizing fouls up a key part of the decontamination efforts. As for the actual soldiers, they are shown as {{Reasonable Authority Figure}}s, with General Pikalov ''personally'' driving a shielded truck up to the reactor to take an accurate dosimeter reading, and regular soldiers like Bacho being as humane as they can in their [[ShootTheDog unpleasant duties]].
114	* Almost any ''Series/DoctorWho'' story featuring a military force that isn't outright evil will use this to create conflict at some point between them and the Doctor. The Third Doctor and his good friend Brigadier Alistair Lethbridge-Stewart have this kind of relationship in spades. The Doctor tries to save the day with science while the Brig just wants to send in men guns a-blazing.
115	* The ''Series/{{Farscape}}'' episode "[[Recap/FarscapeS04E13TerraFirma Terra Firma]]" has John Crichton argue with the US government over access to Moya and her crew. John wants the advances he's brought to be for the benefit of all humanity, but the US wants to gain an edge over Earthly enemies (John missed 9/11). John's father Jack Crichton, the Director of Extraterrestrial Affairs, initially agrees with the government but eventually changes his mind.
116	* ''Series/{{Jeremiah}}'':
117	** In the flashbacks in "Firewall", Major Quantrell, the [[YouAreInCommandNow final]] military leader of Thunder Mountain, and Markus Alexander's [=CDC=] scientist father come over blows regarding their attitudes toward what to do during a global pandemic. Quantrell wants to lock down Cheynne Mountain and try to ride things out without making any effort to combat the Big Death. Dr. Alexander is convinced that this won't keep the plague out and wants to let his infected wife inside under quarantine conditions to keep working on a potential cure that he doubts he can find otherwise (not that his chances of finding it anyway are super good).
118	** The military forces of the Valhalla Sector want to [[spoiler:recreate the Big Death (and a vaccine to protect themselves against it)]] to kill all of their enemies. Devon, the original reluctant creator of [[spoiler:the pathogen]], wants no part of this and tries to undermine his leaders/captors, with flashbacks showing that several of the other scientists in the bunker felt the same way]].
119	* In ''Series/LawAndOrderSpecialVictimsUnit'', former marine Det. Elliot Stabler has been known to butt heads with the unit's resident shrink, Dr. George Huang.
120	* ''Series/MacGyver1985'': [=MacGyver=] is quite possibly the patron saint of [[ScienceHero Science Heroes]], as well as being someone who [[DoesntLikeGuns never uses guns]] and [[ThouShaltNotKill never kills people]]. As a result, he'll end up butting heads with the military from time to time, especially in scenarios where it wants to [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill use as much raw force as possible]] to resolve a problem, and Mac has to race against the clock to resolve it first or at least remove the people who are about to become collateral damage. The pilot episode is an example of this: a government research lab is sent into lockdown after an explosion causes an acid leak, the military plans to bomb the place to eradicate any dangerous materials before they have a chance to spread, leaving Mac with a very short window in which he's supposed to force his way into the lab and rescue any scientists who may have survived.
121	* ''Series/MonarchLegacyOfMonsters'': In [[Recap/MonarchLegacyOfMonstersS1E3SecretsAndLies episode 3]], in the 1950s, Monarch shows the United States military proof of Godzilla's existence and convince them that he needs to be lured out because he's an existential threat to humanity. But whereas Monarch wanted to lure Godzilla out so they could study and learn about him, the military instead want to try and vaporize him with a nuclear bomb without understanding him first.
122	* ''Series/StargateSG1'': In any given crisis, the scientists want to either make contact (if it's an alien species) or at least be given the opportunity to find a solution to the problem, while the military is more prone to considering the worst-case scenario, viewing the unknown as a threat, and being willing to go in guns blazing and shoot/nuke the problem as dead as they can. This is best embodied in the main cast by Jack O'Neill on the soldier side and Daniel Jackson on the scientist side (Samantha Carter, an astrophysicist and career Air Force officer, is both, while Teal'c, a defector from an alien army [[SoldierVsWarrior that tends more towards Warrior than Soldier]], is arguably neither).
123	** Given how long the show lasts, the issue is treated with a lot more nuance than is often the case. Each side's preferred approach is correct in certain situations, but unsuited to others. ''Enemy Mine'' is an episode that vindicates the scientists, as the SG-11 commander and the Pentagon brass are too eager to move into a planet with a valuable mineral deposit without regard to signs of a native population, despite repeated warnings from Daniel and others, and end up on the verge of war with an enemy far more numerous and better armed than they'd realized. ''Prodigy'' is an episode that vindicates the soldiers, as Carter and a younger counterpart of hers are left arguing about whether a dangerous natural phenomenon on an alien planet will pass in a few hours or only become worse, until O'Neill cuts the argument short to say that it doesn't matter who's right, because he can't afford to risk the latter scenario. Ultimately, each "side" is acutely aware of how important the other one is, even if its methods and thought processes can be frustrating as hell.
124	** Unlike most examples of this trope, the science in the equation is often ''social'' science; Daniel Jackson is an archaeologist by trade, who quickly becomes a de facto anthropologist as well as the team diplomat. Hence, the preference for first contact and diplomatic solutions, though he's well aware that not all problems can be solved peacefully and ultimately just as willing to fight for his principles (and his homeworld) as the soldiers.
125	** Finally, this trope often branches out into Soldier vs Soldier and Scientist vs Scientist, as the more sensible versions of both roles (especially if they're members of the main cast) will often butt heads with more stubborn and narrow-minded versions of themselves (especially among guest stars). Colonel Makepeace, Doctor Lee, and Doctor Rothman especially can all be considered counterparts to O'Neill, Carter, and Jackson respectively, who have more of their worse traits and fewer of their good ones.
126	* ''Franchise/StarTrek'':
127	** ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'' has the [[BadassCrew starship personnel]] who are supposed to be combined scientists, soldiers and diplomats. Naturally, according to the individual, one side or the other dominates, and several episodes have the philosophical clash between the [[TrueCompanions command team]] on how to handle the current threat. One example is "[[Recap/StarTrekS1E25TheDevilInTheDark The Devil in the Dark]]", in which the Enterprise team is up against a 'monster' which has already killed several civilians. Kirk, the Soldier, naturally wants to take out the creature with minimum danger to his men and thus orders them to shoot to kill. Spock, the Scientist, is not quite so sure that the creature is a monster and argues that they must try to capture it alive. Kirk [[ThatsAnOrder wins the argument]] and tries to keep Spock out of the search for fear that he would hesitate to shoot and get himself killed. Of course, [[SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers this being]] ''Star Trek'', Spock turns out to be right -- the 'monster' was a hive mother protecting its eggs which were being destroyed by the oblivious human miners, and once they get to communicate with the creature, it's easy to reach a mutually beneficent agreement. Slightly subverted in that, when Kirk gets trapped with the 'monster', he notices that it is reluctant to attack and doesn't shoot. Spock, on the other hand, once he realizes that [[TheNotLoveInterest his captain]] is trapped with the creature, changes his tune, asking Kirk to shoot it.
128	** The ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' episode "[[Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS04E08LittleGreenMen Little Green Men]]" was deliberately set up to parody this arrangement. You've got a soldier who sees the alien as a threat, and a scientist who believes they can speed us on the path to great scientific advancement. Neither is right: the alien in question is just Quark, who's looking to swindle them.
129	* Parodied in a ''Series/ThatMitchellAndWebbLook'' sketch. A scientist is visited by a militaristic politician to view his inventions, which include a giant laser, an enormous robotic scorpion that fires bullets out of its tail and mind-controlling ants. The scientist insists that he designed them all to help people and further world peace (the laser beam, for example, is a barcode reader. The fact that it's called the "Giant Death Ray" is just because his name [[IronicName is literally]] "Professor Death"), and whenever [[JustThinkOfThePotential "military applications"]] are mentioned, he [[BerserkButton freaks out]] and [[ReluctantMadScientist starts destroying the machines]].
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133	* ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'': When it comes to Necron Tomb Worlds, the Adeptus Mechanicus are Scientists (study them), and the Imperial Guard are the Military Men (nuke them from orbit). In this case, the "scientists are right" bit could not be more averted. Of course, considering the sheer scale of the setting, inversions are possible. The Imperial Guard may be the Scientists (look at all that {{Plunder}}) with the Mechanicus as the Military Men ([[AbsoluteXenophobe all alien tech is evil and must be destroyed]]). In such cases, the Scientists are still wrong (the Necrons will relentlessly hunt down anyone who steals their stuff).
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137	* ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain'': While Emmerich likes to pretend to be the sympathetic scientist, he's psychotically greedy and murderous; at the same time, military leader Venom Snake tends to be much more reasonable and pragmatic, depending on how you play him. Venom also has the loyalty and trust of Kazuhira Miller and Code Talker, both who are scientists themselves.
138	* ''VideoGame/StarTrekOnline'': "Day of Honor" has the Gorn science officer of the Klingon flagship IKS ''[=Bortasqu'=]'' complain to the player that his superiors are most interested in things that grant a military advantage, so he doesn't get much opportunity to do the pure research he prefers.
139	* ''VideoGame/WarWind'': In the sequel, ''The Human Onslaught'', the humans who were brought to the world of Yavaun are divided between the Marines, who want the conquer the world, and the Scientists, calling themselves the Descendants, who want to find a way to return to Earth.
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143	* Parodied in ''WebVideo/TheAngryJoeShow'' during the ''VideoGame/{{Civilization}}'' review when a scientist and a warrior ([[ActingForTwo they're actually both Angry Joe]]) argue whether or not they should progress their military or their science.
144	* ''Website/SCPFoundation'': [[ArtifactCollectionAgency The Foundation]] has this relationship with a rival [[TheMenInBlack Men in Black]] organisation called [[CreatureHunterOrganization the Global Occult Coalition]] -- while the former devotes great resources to studying anomalies and building [[TailorMadePrison containment chambers]] which neutralise their threat, the latter tend to shoot first and ask questions later. Infamously, the GOC once discovered a chair which teleports to anyone who needs a seat, and reacted by blowing it up... which just created a ''cloud of splinters'' that teleports ''[[TeleFrag inside]]'' people. For their part, the GOC dislike the Foundation's [[TheNeedsOfTheMany utilitarian approach to protecting humanity]] and claim that the soldiers responsible for the chair incident were in breach of protocol. The Foundation's own soldiers, the Mobile Task Forces, are proudly loyal to their scientist command and have nothing but contempt for the GOC, who they regard as stupid thugs.
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148	* Parodied in a flashback in the ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'' episode "[[Recap/FuturamaS2E14MothersDay Mother's Day]]". Back when Prof. Farnsworth was young(er) and worked at Mom's Friendly Robot Company, he presented his latest invention, a cutesy toy cat for children called Q.T. [=McWhiskers=] that projects rainbows out of his eyes. When Mom reveals she intends to make the toy eight feet tall, replace the rainbow projectors with atomic lasers, and sell it to the military as a weapon, the Professor is ''outraged'' -- not because his peaceful invention would be used to kill people, but because "[[ComicallyMissingThePoint things 8 feet tall aren't cute]]".
149	* In an episode of ''WesternAnimation/{{Recess}}'', it turns out that the school janitor Hank [[HiddenDepths is a brilliant mathematician]]. When this info spreads around, Hank gets job offers from a university professor, a military general, and a NASA scientist, all of whom wish to use his expertise in different ways, [[StatusQuoIsGod but he decides to just stick with mopping floors in an elementary school]].
150	* In the ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty'' episode "[[Recap/RickAndMortyS2E5GetSchwifty Get Schwifty]]", we have Rick the Scientist vs. General Nathan the Soldier, arguing over whether to appease the Cromulons by producing a hit single or else blow them up. Rick turns out to be a hundred percent correct, anyone surprised?
151	* ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'':
152	** In "[[Recap/SouthParkS8E5AWESOMO AWESOM-O]]", the government scientist sees the "robot" (actually Cartman in a cardboard costume) as a living thing with feelings and a soul, while the military just wants it [[TheyWouldCutYouUp dissected]] to acquire its perceived technological marvels (which mostly consist of Cartman managing to conceive thousands of nearly similar Adam Sandler movie scripts). In the end, the scientist rips out his own organs to bring home the point that it's not our body that makes a human human.
153	** Oddly enough, Cartman and Kyle's dad are the "scientists" in "[[Recap/SouthParkS9E2DieHippieDie Die, Hippie, Die]]" (that is also a parody of ''Film/TheCore''): they are the ones who recommend a non-violent solution (by "digging" to the center of the hippie crowd and playing a ''Music/{{Slayer}}'' tape to spook the hippies off), while the military men recommend nuking the crowd (and South Park) off the map.
154	* ''WesternAnimation/StarTrekLowerDecks'' has an interesting variation with the recurring theme of the rivalry between Starfleet and outpost scientists: While the latter believe it's a straight example, Starfleet personnel consider themselves scientists as well as soldiers.
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158	%%* UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein and the military personnel of the Manhattan Project, with regards to the atom bomb. '''ZCE'''
159	* Young US scientists led attempts to decouple universities from military-sponsored laboratories such as the Lincoln Laboratory at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, which by the late 1960s drew 98 percent of its funding from the U.S. Department of Defense in response to the Vietnam War. The more amoral scientists who decided they were not responsible with what the military did with what they made or found and did not get involved and some were proud to engage in morally questionable acts because of patriotism.
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