Line #11 LetsYouAndHimFight/ComicBooks


1	!!The following have their own pages:
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3	* LetsYouAndHimFight/TheDCU
4	* LetsYouAndHimFight/MarvelUniverse
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7	!!Crossover
8	* In the Creator/KurtBusiek[=/=]George Perez crossover miniseries ''ComicBook/JLAAvengers'', in which the two title teams were pitted against each other in such a gambit -- but after the initial encounter, Batman and Captain America (realizing they were being played) removed themselves from the ongoing contest to figure out ''why''. Which was seriously the moment you knew the bad guys had lost. Bats and Cap, working together? You're ''screwed'', Krona.\
9	But in the third issue, Cap holds on to the ConflictBall pretty tight, as well as Superman (because they are both deeply synced with their universes' natural vibrations), as seen in one of the [=80s=] League/Avengers meetings, in the Avengers Mansion: Cap freaks out and starts yelling at Supes, causing them to clash with each other and reality to shift again. Just moments later, as they are about to throw down again, Wonder Woman and Wasp break up the fight and make them realize they should be cooperating instead of wasting time butting heads.\
10	At one point, when Wonder Woman runs into ComicBook/TheIncredibleHercules, she attacks him because she automatically assumes he is similar to her Hercules (DC's Hercules is a villain who once enslaved and raped Wonder Woman's mother Hippolyta, while Marvel's Hercules is a hero who had a consensual relationship with Hippolyta).
11	* In ''ComicBook/SupermanVsTheAmazingSpiderMan'', ComicBook/LexLuthor and ComicBook/DoctorOctopus trick Superman and Spider-Man into fighting each other. It was unintended, but their actions led to both heroes fighting, and they actively tried to alter the outcome of the fight.
12	* In ''ComicBook/{{Superman}}''/''Franchise/MastersOfTheUniverse'' crossover "ComicBook/FromEterniaWithDeath", Skeletor mind-controls Superman into fighting He-Man.
13	* Rift does this in Creator/MilestoneComics' ''World's Collide'' to ComicBook/{{Superman}} and Icon, [[LampshadeHanging stating that the two similar characters had to fight because that's what they're supposed to do]]. They play along and pull their punches. Rift realizes this and forces them into real NoHoldsBarredBeatdown when he states the loser's universe would be destroyed.
14	* In John Byrne's ''Comicbook/CaptainAmerica[=/=]Franchise/{{Batman}}'', [[http://i1.wp.com/www.majorspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/BCA9.jpg Private Steve Rogers and Bruce Wayne have a brief fight]] (Steve thinks Bruce is a traitor, Bruce can't explain) before they both realize the other really shouldn't be that skilled...
15	* In the first ''Spider-Man/Batman'', it's {{averted\|Trope}} in that Spider-Man turns out of be a huge Bat-fanboy, winning Batman over with ''sheer persistence''; the only resemblance of a fight was a punch by Batman and a Judo Throw by Spidey. By the second crossover, they basically shake hands and agree to team up, with Spider-Man pointing out to a resistant Batman that they went through all of this the first time; they could either waste time fighting between themselves and approaching the case from different angles, or they could pool their resources from the start and work together. After a moment, Batman conceded the point. A humorous scene from this very same team up showcased Batman's true feelings on it. When they were both in the Batmobile and Spidey was riffing on something or another about how cool the car was, Batman grumbled that he now understood why Superman worked alone.
16	* Early on in Comicbook/TheSavageDragon, Badrock from Comicbook/{{Youngblood\|ImageComics}} randomly appears and attacks Dragon. They cause a bit of property damage, then Dragon gets the upper hand and Badrock begs off. He says he was just testing to see if Dragon, who had just recently appeared and joined the police force, was tough enough; that kind of thing "happens all the time in Marvel Comics." An incredibly pissed off Dragon proceeds to arrest him. Note that Badrock is a mutated grade schooler so he really wouldn't know any better.
17	** Badrock also provoked a fight on accident when Freak Force took in a villain he fought and were going to claim the reward money. And then he hit on Ricochet and in general acted like an idiot. All told, both sides were justified in wanting to beat the other up.
18	** Another incident happened when Dragon was sent to Hell and ended up alongside ComicBook/{{Spawn}}, who was trapped there for his own reasons. When the Fiend tried to force Spawn to fight Dragon to escape that level, Dragon, whom was still convinced he was dreaming at the time, promptly threw the fight, allowing Spawn to go on.
19	* When Daredevil is tracking down clues in some sewers, Batman almost gets the drop on him, thinking he's the culprit. You'd think a guy who dresses up like a bat wouldn't be so judgmental about a guy who dresses up a devil. Both act OutOfCharacter throughout the crossover.
20	* Averted in the ''Franchise/CareBears'' / ''Mad Balls'' crossover comic. There's an obvious set-up for it, but the protagonists manage to avert it by not being complete idiots.
21	* ''Angelus #3'' has [[Comicbook/{{Witchblade}} Danielle Baptiste]], who has control as the new [[LightIsNotGood Angelus]], getting a fight with [[Comicbook/TheDarkness Jackie Estacado]]. Justified by the latter character's case he finds the Angelus as SeriousBusiness for him.
22	* In ''ComicBook/XMen''/''ComicBook/TeenTitans'', there's no conflict between the teams at all (thanks to Prof X). Instead, the time is spent exploring how the superheroes would react to each other on a personal level. For instance, ComicBook/{{Starfire}} hears Colossus speaking Russian, and immediately gives him a long passionate kiss (since that is how she can instantly learn a new language) - which makes Kitty Pride jealous. Nightcrawler merely (and smilingly) asks, "Hmmm... ''Fraulien, sprechen sie Deutch''?"
23	* Averted in the "Shades of Green" arc from ''ComicBook/UsagiYojimbo''. A wizard summons the ComicBook/{{Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles\|Mirage}} to the past to help Usagi and Jen defend his village from evil ninjas. The turtles take defensive positions and are about to attack Usagi and Jen when Leonardo (who met Usagi in an earlier story) says, "Wait a minute, I recognize that guy!" He and Usagi exchange pleasantries and Leo's brothers decide that if he trusts Usagi they will trust him as well.
24	* The ''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueMightyMorphinPowerRangers'' crossover starts out with this. Zack gets teleported to the DC universe mid-battle and lands right in front of Batman. Concussed and disoriented, he assumes Batman's another of Lord Zedd's monsters and attacks. Then the other Rangers arrive, see Batman fighting their teammate, and promptly jump in. Batman calls the Flash for backup, and things escalate from there, with the ''Dinozords'' coming out before things get smoothed over.
25	* Pretty much every team up between ComicBook/{{Vampirella}} and any hero she crosses over with starts out this way. Most of the time this was due to a misunderstanding but a few cases saw her clashing with characters who weren't all that heroic to begin with such as ComicBook/LadyDeath.
26	* In the ''Franchise/GreenLantern[=/=]WesternAnimation/SpaceGhost Special'', Hal Jordan and Space Ghost each receive a distress call from a distant planet. They arrive at the same time and assume the other is a villain, so they whale on each other until they knock each other out and are captured by a native.
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28	!!Other
29	* ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'':
30	** ''ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogArchieComics'':
31	*** One issue of the comic, "Rogue Rouge", dedicates itself to setting up a surprisingly brutal fight between Bunnie Rabbot and Rouge the Bat. It is a CatFight with a generous amount of {{Fanservice}} and {{lampshade\|Hanging}}d at the end with a page of sheepish "boy, that was silly" dialogue.
32	*** ''Super Sonic Special: Battle Royal'' was all about this trope. Basically, Mammoth Mogul attempted to turn the Freedom Fighters and the Chaotix against each other by using his powers to disguise his private enforcers, the Fearsome Four, into the other members of the two teams. Unfortunately for him, both sides are able to spot [[ImposterForgotOneDetail key flaws in the ruse]], secretly compare notes, and fake a mutual destruction in order to draw Mogul out.
33	*** One StoryArc regarding Tails' parents trying to stage a pro-democracy revolution against the Kingdom of Acorn eventually leads to Tails and Sonic coming to blows due to Tails siding with his parents while Sonic is with the kingdom (though some of Sonic's past {{Jerkass}} behavior towards Tails is also a major factor, as his resentment over it boils over).
34	*** In ''ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogMegaManWorldsCollide'', the first act of the crossover is dedicated to setting up an epic brawl between Sonic and Mega Man. It gets lampshaded in ''ComicBook/MegaManArchieComics'' #24's "Short Circuits" segment, where both title characters are eager to work together before being informed by Orbot that they have to follow the "crossover by-laws" and fight each other first.
35	** ''ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogIDW'':
36	*** Issue #6 sees a fight between Sonic and Shadow break out due to their disagreement over how to handle [[spoiler: the [[AmnesiacDissonance amnesiac]] Eggman]]. It turns out that Rouge [[ManipulativeBastard engineered]] the events leading to this fight, figuring a brawl with Sonic would clear Shadow's head enough that he wouldn't [[spoiler: outright murder the Doc]].
37	*** In Issue #18, Gemerl is defending Cream and Vanilla's hometown from [[ZombieApocalypse the Zombots]], and in the process identifies Sonic as a threat due to [[ZombieInfectee him being infected by the Metal Virus]], attacking him and forcing him to leave. Cream [[WhatTheHellHero calls out Gemerl for this]], convincing him to let Sonic help and even making him apologize.
38	*** Early in the ''Tangle & Whisper'' miniseries, the titular heroines get into a fight when Tangle sees Whisper hunting what appears to be Sonic. In reality, Whisper is after the evil shapeshifter Mimic, who tricks Tangle into attacking Whisper. After Whisper reveals what's going on, Tangle relents.
39	*** In Issue #34, Sonic and Tails meet Belle, a wooden RobotGirl. Sonic mistakes her for a Badnik and attacks her until he steps on her tail, triggering an automatic kick function. As Belle, who doesn't even want to fight, apologizes for the kick, Tails intervenes and [[WhatTheHellHero tells Sonic to back off]].
40	* Happens in one ''ComicBook/AstroCity'' story between Samaritan and The Confessor, though [[spoiler:The Confessor knows the fight is pointless because he knows there's a misunderstanding involved. But he goes through with the fight anyway because he can't allow the ultra-powerful hero to push him around]].
41	** This trope is also played for drama in the story "Sorrowsday". Krigari Ironhand, a dimensional conquerer, is goaded by a mysterious stranger into attacking the super-team Honor Guard. The two clash repeatedly over the years until Krigari is finally defeated [[spoiler:thanks to a HeroicSacrifice by guard member Stormhawk. The stranger is then revealed to be Eth, an alien who was trying to stop Krigari before he could conquer Eth's realm -- and becomes racked with guilt over causing Stormhawk's death]].
42	* Subverted in the backstory to the comic book miniseries ''ComicBook/CommonGrounds'': two superheroes, an experienced one and a novice, accidentally fight each other (a situation referred to by one character as a "knuckleduster"), and the experienced superhero ''kills'' the younger one. The survivor is subsequently arrested, sentenced to a lengthy term in jail, and emerges decades later unable to find gainful employment, forced to scrounge through the trash for meals. This actually serves as the key background moment of the entire series, as it was this event that lead to the foundation of the titular series of restaurants. The founder of Common Grounds, himself a former hero, was the father of the inexperienced hero killed in the brawl, and he started the neutral-ground eatery as a means of insuring that heroes (and even villains) would finally have a chance to meet one another and be able to clear up these minor confrontations before they could spin out of control in the real world.
43	* ''ComicBook/DrBlinkSuperheroShrink'' tells how this works.
44	* The first two issues of ''Gen-Active'' are about ''ComicBook/{{Gen 13}}'' running into some of their old archenemies, the Deviants. However, the Deviants are reformed at this point and, for the first time, ''don't'' want to kill Gen 13. Fights break out, though, because Gen 13 members make assumptions and start something. It keeps happening because neither side is willing to just ''talk'' to the other after the fight's over.
45	* In ''ComicBook/{{normalman}}'', Captain Everything and Sgt. Fluffy have a pointless fight the first time they meet in the series... despite the fact that even DumbMuscle Cap is aware that they're on the same side and have known each other for years; it's just something that you ''do''.
46	* Subverted in ''ComicBook/PaperinikNewAdventures'':the first time [[PhysicalGod Xadhoom]] met Paperinik, she saved him from a group of Evronians,so he went to thank her, and she tries to kill him too, thinking ''he'' was an Evronian. It was played straight during his first encounter with Urk, but is more justified because Paperinik has some proof that he was the mysterious kidnapper who was terrifying Duckburg, and Urk had no idea who he was.
47	* {{Subverted\|Trope}} in a ''[[Comicbook/TheSimpsons Radioactive Man]]'' story - Radioactive Man and Bleeding Heart are trying to track down a cult that has (apparently) abducted Fallout Boy. Along the way, they encounter a hippie superwoman called [[Comicbook/BlackCanary Black Partridge]], who attacks them for the {{cliffhanger}}. When part 2 opens, the men explain that traditionally they would misunderstand each other, then fight, then finally realise they're on the same side and team up against the common enemy, only they're in a hurry at the moment so could they skip the fighting part?
48	* Played frustratingly straight in Marvel UK's ''[[ComicBook/TheTransformersMarvel Transformers]]'' story "Time Wars". A group of Autobots from the future come back to help fight Galvatron... and the present day Autobots attack them on sight, resulting in an issue long fight sequence. The thing that raises it to ridiculous proportions is that the present day counterparts of at least two of the future Autobots were part of the present day line-up at the time... yet none of the present day Autobots recognise them.
49	* Happens in issue #12 of ''ComicBook/StrikeforceMorituri'', with a fight between the current Morituri team and the third-generation recruits.
50	* Issue 2 of ''ComicBook/Youngblood2017'' has [[BadassNormal Shaft]] having to take on [[PoweredArmor Sentinel]], [[FlyingBrick Suprema]] and [[SuperSpeed Doc Rocket]], who have all been hypnotised to see him as a monster. [[CurbStompCushion He fares pretty well, all things considered]]. It took Doc Rocket blindsiding him and overpowering him with her speed to take him down.
51	* [[ExploitedTrope Exploited]] in ''ComicBook/TheSimpsonsFuturamaCrossoverCrisis''. Bart runs into manifestations of DC and Marvel superheroes [[LawyerFriendlyCameo with their faces hidden in shadow]] and, to get past them, he tells the Marvel heroes that "[The DC characters] said that everyone from your comic company is a sissy!". They immediately start fighting and Fry lampshades this trope:
52	-->'''Fry:''' Good work, Bart! Lucky you knew that comic book heroes'll fight each other at the drop of a hat!

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