Line #3 JustForFun/HarryPotter


1	!!Sorting Hat Chats Database
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3	->''"Two friends wanted to know exactly what the other meant when they said 'Gryffindor'. Over hours of conversation, the Sorting Hat Chats system emerged and has delighted them ever since."''
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5	See [[https://sortinghatchats.wordpress.com/ here]] for much more information of this Literature/HarryPotter Hogwarts House sorting system of Inky and Kat's creation.
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7	[[foldercontrol]]
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9	[[folder:Main terms in a nutshell]]
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11	* '''Primaries''' are the MOTIVES. WHY does one do things?
12	** Gryffindor Primary ([[red:Lion]] Prime, GP): [[DontThinkFeel Moral intuition]] (they decide what's righteous with their heart)
13	** Hufflepuff Primary ([[gold:Badger]] Prime, HP): [[TheNeedsOfTheMany Sense of community]] (they wish to improve the lives of all whom they regard as "people")
14	** Ravenclaw Primary ([[blue:Bird]] Prime, RP): [[{{Ubermensch}} Systems of values]] (they build their logic from the outside world)
15	** Slytherin Primary ([[green:Snake]] Prime, SP): [[AlwaysSaveTheGirl Individualist allegiances]] (they prioritize people they are closest to)
16	* '''Secondaries''' are the METHODS. HOW does one do things?
17	** Gryffindor Secondary ([[cinnamon:Lion]] Second, GS): [[{{Determinator}} Stubbornness and courage]] (will kick a locked door down)
18	** Hufflepuff Secondary (Badger Second, HS): [[TheReliableOne Hard work and reliability]] (will knock on a locked door)
19	** Ravenclaw Secondary ([[YouKnowThatThingWhere Bird]] Second, RS): [[ThePlan Planning and knowledge]] (will have the corresponding key)
20	** Slytherin Secondary ([[gray:Snake]] Second, SS): [[XanatosSpeedChess Adaptability and cunning]] (will decide to pick the lock)
21	* A '''model''' is a way of life that has been learned by someone and can be comfortably used, but isn't central to the extent of true primaries and secondaries.
22	* A '''performance''' is one's ability to convincingly ''look'' like a different primary and/or secondary.
23	* '''Burning''' is when someone is unable to use their primary or secondary.
24	* '''Exploding''' is when someone takes a primary or secondary to an unhealthy extent.
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26	[[/folder]]
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28	[[folder:Important Notes]]
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30	* Contrary to the names, secondaries are no less important than primaries; they are just different aspects of a person.
31	* '''No primary or secondary is inherently better or worse than others. Any of them can be very healthy or very unhealthy, any of them can be immature or developed, and any of them can be used for immense evil... or immense good.'''
32	* All the qualities mentioned above exist to varying degrees in all sapient beings. However, ''a true primary consists of the motives one finds their moral core in, and a true secondary consists of the methods one regards as the most optimal to them''.
33	** For example, someone who is hardworking and fair could be putting up a model and/or performance, and thus isn't necessarily a Badger Secondary. However, someone who genuinely values Badger Second qualities, whether or not they can use said qualities well, is likely a Badger Second.
34	* The basic Primary and Secondary houses are summarized starting places used as a basis for further exploration. Each House has its own vast range of possibilities outside the traditional "stereotypes".
35	** This means that not all Gryffindors are loudly emotional, not all Hufflepuffs are nice or caring, not all Ravenclaws are logical intellectuals, and not all Slytherins are ungenerous or manipulative.
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37	[[/folder]]
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39	[[folder:House Pairings]]
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41	* Idealist vs Loyalist: [[red:Lion]] and [[blue:Bird]] Primes focus on [[ForGreatJustice concepts of what is right]], while [[gold:Badger]] and [[green:Snake]] Primes are heavily people-driven.
42	* Constructed vs Felt: [[blue:Bird]] and [[green:Snake]] Primes prioritize systems of motivations, while [[red:Lion]] and [[gold:Badger]] Primes are much more in touch with their gut feelings.
43	* Internal vs External: [[red:Lion]] and [[green:Snake]] Primes derive their morals from within themselves, while [[gold:Badger]] and [[blue:Bird]] Primes derive them from external circumstances.
44	* Solid vs Fluid: [[cinnamon:Lion]] and [[YouKnowThatThingWhere Bird]] Seconds are relatively static and stable in their abilities, while Badger and [[gray:Snake]] Seconds are often more flexible in how they act to reach their goals.
45	* Situational vs Inspirational: [[YouKnowThatThingWhere Bird]] and [[gray:Snake]] Seconds succeed heavily in [[TheChessmaster solving problems and predicaments]], while [[cinnamon:Lion]] and Badger Seconds more commonly utilize their own persistence and rally others.
46	* Improvisers vs Builders: [[cinnamon:Lion]] and [[gray:Snake]] Seconds jump into the middle of adversary and [[ImprovisationalIngenuity react on the fly]], while Badger and [[YouKnowThatThingWhere Bird]] Seconds utilize whatever they have already brought with them.
47	* Thus...
48	** [[red:Lion]] Primes FEEL their IDEALS from the INSIDE.
49	** [[gold:Badger]] Primes FEEL their LOYALTIES from the OUTSIDE.
50	** [[blue:Bird]] Primes CONSTRUCT their IDEALS from the OUTSIDE.
51	** [[green:Snake]] Primes CONSTRUCT their LOYALTIES from the INSIDE.
52	** [[cinnamon:Lion]] Seconds INSPIRE by IMPROVISING in SOLID ways.
53	** Badger Seconds INSPIRE by BUILDING in FLUID ways.
54	** [[YouKnowThatThingWhere Bird]] Seconds SITUATE by BUILDING in SOLID ways.
55	** [[gray:Snake]] Seconds SITUATE by IMPROVISING in FLUID ways.
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57	[[/folder]]
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59	[[folder:Fictional Examples]]
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61	* '''Some ground rules:'''
62	** If you change an example that someone else posted, please show your reasoning in the Discussion thread to avoid Administrivia/{{Edit War}}s.
63	** If you sort a character somewhere that others would find odd, add as much additional justification in a note next to the name as needed.
64	** If a character uses at least one model and/or performance that overshadows their true house combo, sort the character with the primary and secondary they truly value.
65	** Sort examples for each combo by work name's alphabetical order — except for Franchise/HarryPotter canon, which always goes first.
66	** List any sources other than your own brain at the bottom of the folder.
67	** Just like [[TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons DnD]] alignments, examples of Sorting Hat Chats house combos [[Administrivia/TheGreatCharacterAlignmentDebate are rather subjective]]. Please avoid Administrivia/{{Entry Pimp}}ing them outside any future works where this system is {{canon}}ical.
68	** '''Avoid sorting one-note characters whose genuine Primaries and Secondaries could be anything.''' People's urge to take care of their loved ones is as strong as their urge to [[Administrivia/PeopleSitOnChairs sit on chairs]], but only a fraction of such people find their moral core in close bonds and thus are Snake Primes.
69	** Mark ALL major spoilers, except true house combos.
70	** '''Lighter spoilers and all true house combo locations are unmarked. Administrivia/YouHaveBeenWarned.'''
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72	* [[red:Double]] [[cinnamon:Lion]]: '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Ron Weasley]]'''[[note]]burned GP in later books[[/note]], '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Gilderoy Lockhart]]'''[[labelnote:spoiler!]]a parody of this combo, uses a badly done RS performance to fool people[[/labelnote]], '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Rufus Scrimgeour]]'''[[note]]HS model or performance[[/note]], '''[[VideoGame/{{Deltarune}} Susie]]'''[[note]]SS model[[/note]], '''[[VideoGame/DisgaeaHourOfDarkness Flonne]]''', '''[[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Saber]]'''[[labelnote:spoiler!]]formerly burned GP/GS[[/labelnote]], '''[[VideoGame/{{Omori}} Kel]]''', '''[[WesternAnimation/SheRaAndThePrincessesOfPower Glimmer]]''', '''[[Franchise/StevenUniverse Garnet]]'''
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74	* [[red:Lion]] Badger: '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Neville Longbottom]]'''[[labelnote:spoiler!]]GS model[[/labelnote]], '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Peter Pettigrew]]'''[[note]]a [[{{Slimeball}} pretty nasty parody]] of this combo![[/note]], '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Barty Crouch Sr.]]'''[[note]]models RS; is [[PragmaticHero ruthless fighting the dark arts as he believes is the right thing to do]], also thrives with the support of the community and falls without it[[/note]], '''[[Manga/LuckyStar Tsukasa Hiiragi]]'''[[note]]exploded RS model on occasion; [[DumbButDiligent please, she's trying her best]][[/note]], '''[[VideoGame/{{Undertale}} Papyrus]]'''
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76	* [[red:Lion]] [[YouKnowThatThingWhere Bird]]: '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Hermione Granger]]''', '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Lord Voldemort]]'''[[labelnote:spoiler!]]SS model whenever his plans are foiled, derived his twisted ideals from his inner MortalityPhobia and viewed his closest followers as expendable[[/labelnote]], '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Alastor Moody]]'''[[note]]GS model, Exploded secondary later on his life[[/note]], '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Sybill Trelawney]]''', '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Arthur Weasley]]''', '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Percy Weasley]]''', '''[[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Aragorn]]'''[[note]]HP model[[/note]], '''[[WesternAnimation/SheRaAndThePrincessesOfPower Bow]]''', '''[[Franchise/StevenUniverse Connie Maheswaran]]'''
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78	* [[red:Lion]] [[gray:Snake]]: '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Albus Dumbledore]]'''[[note]]RS model[[/note]], '''[[Franchise/HarryPotter Gellert Grindelwald]]'''[[labelnote:spoiler!]]GS model or performance, charismatic and ralies large crowds to his cause[[/labelnote]], '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Fred Weasley]]'''[[note]]SP and RS models[[/note]], '''[[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender Toph Beifong]]''', '''[[VisualNovel/KatawaShoujo Rin Tezuka]]'''[[labelnote:spoiler!]]unhealthy GS performance at one point[[/labelnote]], '''[[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries James Kirk]]'''[[note]]GS model as Federation Captain[[/note]]
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80	* [[gold:Badger]] [[cinnamon:Lion]]: '''[[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender Katara]]''', '''[[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender Zuko]]'''[[note]]former exploded GS[[/note]], '''[[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Rin Tohsaka]]'''[[note]]RP performance, RS model[[/note]], '''[[Literature/TheHobbit Beorn]]''', '''[[WesternAnimation/SheRaAndThePrincessesOfPower Adora/She-Ra]]''', '''[[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries Leonard McCoy]]''', '''[[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries Spock]]'''[[note]]Vulcan RP/RS model and performance, formerly to the damnedest of his ability[[/note]], '''[[Franchise/StarWars Obi-Wan Kenobi]]'''[[note]]HS model, initial HP/HS performance[[/note]], '''[[Franchise/StevenUniverse Steven Quartz Universe]]'''[[labelnote:''Future'' spoiler!]]has recently struggled with an exploded and then burned HS model[[/labelnote]], '''[[Franchise/StevenUniverse Amethyst]]''', '''[[VideoGame/{{Undertale}} Undyne]]'''[[note]]SP model[[/note]]
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82	* [[gold:Double]] Badger: '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Draco Malfoy]]'''[[note]]SP/SS model or performance, view of "people" somewhat limited to the purest of blood[[/note]], '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Rubeus Hagrid]]''', '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Cedric Diggory]]''', '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Dolores Umbridge]]'''[[note]]SS model, only loyal to the ministry and feigns being who she is not to [[ProfessionalButtKisser get in important positions]][[/note]], '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Cornelius Fudge]]'''[[labelnote:spoiler!]]initially [[LawfulStupid exploded]] HS[[/labelnote]], '''[[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Shirou Emiya]]'''[[note]]GP model[[/note]], '''[[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Archer]]'''[[labelnote:spoiler!]]burned HP, lost GP model[[/labelnote]], '''[[VisualNovel/KatawaShoujo Shizune Hakamichi]]'''[[note]]GP/GS model, and despite her stern attitude [[spoiler:is the only major character in her home series who actively tries to make many friends]][[/note]], '''[[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Boromir]]''', '''[[VideoGame/{{Omori}} Hero]]'''[[labelnote:spoiler!]]temporarily burned HP/HS[[/labelnote]], '''[[Franchise/StevenUniverse Rose Quartz]]'''
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84	* [[gold:Badger]] [[YouKnowThatThingWhere Bird]]: '''[[Franchise/HarryPotter Newt Scamander]]'''[[note]]RP model that he uses most of the time when he's not interacting with his fantastic beasts[[/note]], '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Vernon Dursley]]'''[[note]]dehumanizes some random people for petty reasons, but is loyal to those who fulfill his [[ObsessivelyNormal obsession with normalcy]][[/note]], '''[[VideoGame/HarryPotterHogwartsMystery Penny Haywood]]''', '''[[Manga/LuckyStar Miyuki Takara]]'''
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86	* [[gold:Badger]] [[gray:Snake]]: '''[[VisualNovel/DokiDokiLiteratureClub Sayori]]''', '''[[WesternAnimation/WanderOverYonder Wander]]'''
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88	* [[blue:Bird]] [[cinnamon:Lion]]: '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Harry Potter]]'''[[note]]SS model[[/note]], '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Lily Evans]]''', '''[[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender Ozai]]'''[[note]]SS model, adopted the perception of the Fire Lord's authority as [[AboveGoodAndEvil above all else]][[/note]]
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90	* [[blue:Bird]] Badger: '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Luna Lovegood]]''', '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Dudley Dursley]]'''[[note]]SP performance[[/note]], '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Charlie Weasley]]''', '''[[VisualNovel/DokiDokiLiteratureClub Monika]]'''[[labelnote:spoiler!]]but upon gaining MediumAwareness is actually an SS with an HS model and performance[[/labelnote]]
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92	* [[blue:Double]] [[YouKnowThatThingWhere Bird]]: '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Quirinus Quirrell]]'''[[note]]collected knowledge and theory of the dark arts; also burned his primary, if Pottermore is to be believed[[/note]], '''[[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender Sokka]]''', '''[[VisualNovel/KatawaShoujo Hanako Ikezawa]]''', '''[[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Gandalf]]''', '''[[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Saruman]]'''[[labelnote:spoiler!]]His Exploded RP led to his FaceHeelTurn[[/labelnote]], '''[[WesternAnimation/SheRaAndThePrincessesOfPower Entrapta]]''', '''[[Franchise/StevenUniverse Pearl]]'''[[labelnote:spoiler!]]unhealthy and burned SP model[[/labelnote]], '''[[Franchise/StreetFighter Seth]]'''[[labelnote:spoiler!]]burned both his primary and secondary after his return on SF V[[/labelnote]], '''[[VideoGame/{{Undertale}} Sans]]'''
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94	* [[blue:Bird]] [[gray:Snake]]: '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Kingsley Shacklebolt]]'''[[note]]HS model[[/note]], '''[[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Zōken Matō]]''', '''[[Literature/TheHobbit Bilbo Baggins]]''', '''[[Manga/LuckyStar Konata Izumi]]''', '''[[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries Scotty]]'''[[note]]GP/GS model[[/note]]
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96	* [[green:Snake]] [[cinnamon:Lion]]: '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Sirius Black]]''', '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Ginny Weasley]]''', '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Molly Weasley]]'''[[note]]HS model or performance[[/note]], '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Fleur Delacour]]''', '''[[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Sakura Matō]]'''[[note]]HS model[[/note]], '''[[Literature/TheHobbit Thorin Oakenshield]]''', '''[[VisualNovel/KatawaShoujo Emi Ibarazaki]]'''[[labelnote:spoiler!]]burned SP, exploding GS[[/labelnote]], '''[[VideoGame/{{Omori}} Aubrey]]''', '''[[WesternAnimation/SheRaAndThePrincessesOfPower Catra]]'''[[note]]burned GS, SS model[[/note]], '''[[Franchise/StarWars Anakin Skywalker]]''', '''[[Franchise/StarWars Han Solo]]'''
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98	* [[green:Snake]] Badger: '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Horace Slughorn]]''', '''[[VisualNovel/KatawaShoujo Lilly Satou]]''', '''[[VideoGame/{{Omori}} Basil]]''', '''[[Literature/{{Twilight}} Bella Swan]]'''[[note]]exploded SP for pretty much the entire series[[/note]], '''[[VideoGame/{{Undertale}} Asgore Dreemurr]]'''[[labelnote:spoiler!]]reluctant HP performance[[/labelnote]]
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100	* [[green:Snake]] [[YouKnowThatThingWhere Bird]]: '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Severus Snape]]'''[[labelnote:spoiler!]]as a double agent, lives on his SS model or performance; seems to have constructed a GP model to morally interact with the world later on his life[[/labelnote]], '''[[Literature/HarryPotter George Weasley]]'''[[note]]GP and SS models[[/note]], '''[[Literature/HarryPotter Bill Weasley]]'''[[note]]possible GP model or performance[[/note]], '''[[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Shinji Matō]]'''[[note]]burned SP[[/note]], '''[[VideoGame/{{Omori}} Sunny]]'''[[note]]probable HP model[[/note]], '''[[Franchise/StarWars Sheev Palpatine]]'''[[note]]particularly dark SP out of a desire for control over an apprentice[[/note]]
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102	* [[green:Double]] [[gray:Snake]]: '''[[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender Avatar Aang]]'''[[note]]HP model and performance, views the safety of his close friends and sanctity of his lost culture as nigh-paramount[[/note]], '''[[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender Azula]]'''[[labelnote:spoiler!]]burned SP in the GrandFinale, [[VillainousBreakdown and how!]][[/labelnote]], '''[[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Rider]]''', '''[[WesternAnimation/GravityFalls Grunkle Stan]]'''
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104	* Sources: https://web.archive.org/web/20190421200632/http://sortinghatchats.tumblr.com/masterpost, https://wisteria-lodge.tumblr.com/post/622942228102414339/wrt-to-sortinghatchats-what-means-burned, https://sortinghatchats.tumblr.com/archive, https://wisteria-lodge.tumblr.com/, https://wisteria-lodge.tumblr.com/post/636774847399297024/my-explanation-of-the-sorting-hat-chats-system, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zMOyVaMXsXgfBbRMf0aJRDBo1potfozDb3nV03aOIs4/edit#heading=h.3013l5kh05z3, https://machikurada.tumblr.com/post/184757837598/fatesortinghatchats-stay-night-edition
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106	[[/folder]]
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108	[[folder:Troper Examples]]
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110	* [[https://ejadelomax.itch.io/sortinghatchats This quiz]] can take between 10 and 180 minutes, depending on how much you argue with it.[[note]]You should be honest with it, but [[SincerityMode yes, you can argue with it]]. The wizard chooses the House.[[/note]]
111	** '''Please avoid altering anyone's house combo or additional interactions beside your own.'''
112	** Sort tropers for each combo by alphabetical order.
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114	* [[red:Double]] [[cinnamon:Lion]]:
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116	* [[red:Lion]] Badger:
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118	* [[red:Lion]] [[YouKnowThatThingWhere Bird]]: '''Tropers/{{AquaEclipse}}'''[[note]]Burned primary with HS Model[[/note]] '''Tropers/{{YouthD48}}'''[[note]]Burned primary with Snake model[[/note]]
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120	* [[red:Lion]] [[gray:Snake]]:
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122	* [[gold:Badger]] [[cinnamon:Lion]]:
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124	* [[gold:Double]] Badger:
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126	* [[gold:Badger]] [[YouKnowThatThingWhere Bird]]:
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128	* [[gold:Badger]] [[gray:Snake]]:
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130	* [[blue:Bird]] [[cinnamon:Lion]]:
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132	* [[blue:Bird]] Badger:
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134	* [[blue:Double]] [[YouKnowThatThingWhere Bird]]: '''Azdraan'''[[note]]SS model with a GP performance[[/note]], '''Tropers/DynamicDiscovery'''[[note]]HP and GS models[[/note]], '''Tropers/GreenLizard9'''[[note]]Burned primary and secondary, HP and SS models[[/note]], '''Tropers/TheTropingAlliancer'''[[note]]Burned Primary with GP and SS Model, OC Lily is a Burned GP with SS Model[[/note]]
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136	* [[blue:Bird]] [[gray:Snake]]: '''Tropers/HermanJSparks'''
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138	* [[green:Snake]] [[cinnamon:Lion]]:
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140	* [[green:Snake]] Badger:
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142	* [[green:Snake]] [[YouKnowThatThingWhere Bird]]:
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144	* [[green:Double]] [[gray:Snake]]: '''{{Tropers/cottonblossoms}}'''[[note]]burned exploded prime, burned second, unhealthy bird prime model, lion second model, unhealthy badger second model[[/note]]
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146	[[/folder]]

Context JustForFun / HarryPotter