Line #29 HoYay/Discworld


1	HoYay in the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' series.
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3	* Lord Vetinari seems to respond to practically everything Sam Vimes says or does with a weird mix of pride and amusement. And teasing. The fact that they meet ''every day'' while Vimes has to endure Vetinari's playful manipulation either suggests HoYay... depending on whether Vimes finally snaps and strangles him or not. It's also worthy of note that Vimes is apparently the only person that Vetinari trusts in the conventional sense, rather than the "[[CrazyPrepared so aware of exactly what they'll do in any situation that there's no cause for concern]]" sense in which he 'trusts' everyone else.
4	** Totally out of context, but at the end of ''Literature/NightWatchDiscworld'' there's an exchange. Looks like it's [[AllLoveIsUnrequited one-sided]].
5	---> '''Vetinari''': And if you care to come along to my office tomorrow, we can settle the-
6	---> '''Vimes''': There's a trial tomorrow. [...] I want this bastard to hang, after all.
7	---> '''Vetinari''': Well then, afterward we could-
8	---> '''Vimes''': Afterward I'm going home to my family for a while.
9	** Similarly out of context there's this snippet of dialogue from ''Literature/{{Jingo}}'':
10	---> '''Vetinari''': You're not going to handcuff me?
11	---> '''Vimes''': Why should I do that?
12	---> '''Vetinari''': Treason is very nearly the ultimate crime, Sir Samuel. I think I should ''demand'' handcuffs.
13	---> '''Vimes''': All right, if you insist.
14	---> '''Vetinari''': You haven't any shackles, by any chance?
15	** Then there's this little conversation between Dr. Downey and Carrot in ''Literature/FeetOfClay'' regarding Vetinari's poisoning:
16	---> '''Downey''': I believe [Vimes] personally took over the investigation of the poisoning?
17	---> '''Carrot''': Well, yes. But-
18	---> '''Downey''': Didn't you think that was odd?
19	---> '''Carrot''': No, sir. Not when I thought about it. I think he's got a sort of soft spot for the Patrician, in his way. He once said that if anyone was going to kill Vetinari he'd like it to be him.
20	** The adorable and amusing moment when a younger Vetinari reports on seeing Vimes for the first time in an alternative timeline. Looks like Vimes pretty much blew his mind.
21	--->'''Vetinari:''' I can't believe what I saw. I thought he was a thug. And he ''is'' a thug. You can see his muscles thinking for him. But he overrules them moment by moment! I think I saw a genius at work.
22	** There's a scene in ''Literature/{{Jingo}}'' where Vimes and Angua have a conversation about how she's sort of like Carrot's dog and Vimes is "Vetinari's terrier", creating an implied comparison between her relationship with Carrot and Vimes' relationship with Vetinari. And Angua drops in a comparison between Vetinari and Carrot in a manner suggesting that Vimes is the expert on Vetinari in the same way that she's the expert on Carrot. Somehow the whole thing just manages to come across like you could quite naturally assume Vimes and Vetinari are in a relationship and Angua is thinking of giving Vimes some relationship advice.
23	* Lord Vetinari/Drumknott is a popular ship:
24	** Drumkott's function in the books is as a sounding-board for Vetinari to talk in a relatively open, neutral and honest way (since in his dealings with every active character, from Vimes to Ridcully, there's always an element of manipulation going on). The result on the page is that Vetinari comes across as being quite close and trusting towards his secretary. Drumknott in turn is utterly loyal and attentive to Vetinari's habits, to the point that in ''Literature/{{Snuff}}'' it's mentioned that most people would consider Drumknott's ability to interpret his master's thoughts as 'magic'.
25	** In ''Literature/TheTruth'' when it appears that Vetinari has had a breakdown and stabbed Drumknott, the latter's reaction is to be ''embarrassed'' on behalf of his employer.
26	** Vetinari for his part is equally observant of his employee's habits - for instance, in ''Literature/MakingMoney'' he knows what Drumknott eats for breakfast, which raises the question of when he had the opportunity to find out.
27	** In ''Literature/UnseenAcademicals'', Vetinari mentions that Drumknott would probably only be interested in 'a young lady prepared to dress up as a manila envelope', which Drumknott later rather confirms by showing interest in Lady Margolotta's equally stationary-obsessed librarian. However, this has not been alluded to since, and happened in what could be interpreted as a rough patch between Vetinari and Drumknott...
28	*** The ship is sailing at full force once more after ''Literature/{{Snuff}}'' and ''Literature/RaisingSteam''. Especially after the latter, where Vetinari and Drumknott are ''exceptionally'' companionable, if not outright close.
29	* There's also Leonard of Quirm, drawing men with careful attention to their muscles, measuring Colon's "saddlery regions". Given that he's an AffectionateParody of Leonardo da Vinci, who himself was possibly gay, this isn't completely surprising.
30	** There's also the fact that Vetinari keeps him locked up in an attic, with Leonard's implicit consent. And their conversations are rather easygoing, at least for Vetinari - in ''Jingo'' he talks to Leonardo about the current political situation and misses a key piece of information in Leonard's side of the conversation, which is quite unlike him.
31	** And Vetinari says at one point that he'd rather shatter the most expensive Ming vase than see one hair be harmed on that "most ancient and venerable head."
32	* In ''Literature/MonstrousRegiment'', [[SweetPollyOliver Tonker and Lofty]] are text, albeit small text.
33	** In the ''subtext'' regions... well, Shufti and Polly do end up running an inn together, at least until Polly has to run away on another damn fool adventure with Maladict.
34	*** Shufti and Paul ended up running the inn and raising at least one kid together.
35	*** [[spoiler:Maladicta]] is plainly fixated on Polly, whether or not it's in a romantic way. The way she tries so hard to impress Polly: pure Les Yay. Not to mention the bit where Polly has her thrown over her shoulder and carries her back to camp after the incident with the bag from the sky.
36	*** Tonker's reaction to seeing the newly feminine Igorina seemed a lot less like the "Okay, that's weird" reactions of the others and a lot more "Gah! [[DistractedByTheSexy She's hot!]]"
37	* Sally's dialogue with Angua seems pretty flirtatious at times (suggesting that they wrestle naked in the mud, for example) and most of Angua's jealous reasons for disliking Sally strike one as [[BelligerentSexualTension the type of thing she would write in her diary about anyone else]]. "She's so smart, she's so pretty, she's so special."
38	* ''Literature/{{Snuff}}'' introduces a pair of background characters who have a suspiciously Virginia Woolf and Vita Sackville-West aura about them (the book is one long string of shout-outs to English rural novelists and poets). It is perhaps legitimate in this context to return to ''Literature/SoulMusic'' and re-appraise the characters of spinster schoolmistresses Miss Butts and Miss Delcross, who very carefully cultivate an aura of never having married because they are dedicated to the girls they teach at the upscale Quirm Academy for Young Ladies. Running the Disc's premier boarding school for girls, they can therefore live together and attract no suspicion.
39	** ''Snuff'' also gives us Stratford telling Flutter to take his clothes off (ostensibly because they're covered in blood, but...) and having a conversation with him which couldn't be described because "gossip can be so cruel"...
40	* And then, of course, Ankh-Morpork now boasts the Blue Cat Club among its places of entertainment. Its proprietor, Mr Harris, is a fully paid up Seamstress, on the grounds that ''un-natural acts are only natural''.
41	* The restaurant scene in the film of ''Literature/GoingPostal'' shows Gilt looming over Moist in a rather creepy way. Adora looks at them in horror and sputters "You ... and him?"
42	* As of ''Literature/MovingPictures'', the Unseen University is "run" by Archchancellor Ridcully, who spends all of his time shooting or shouting at things. He and the Bursar share a relationship very evocative of the HenpeckedHusband trope, with Ridcully ordering around the much meeker Bursar, whilst the Bursar just tries to keep Ridcully in check.
43	* In ''Literature/{{Hogfather}}'', Ridcully questions the Senior Wrangler as to why they've got mistletoe at their Hogswatch party when there are no women. The Senior Wrangler says that inviting women would "spoil everything" and gets quite evasive about what the point is of having mistletoe. When wassailers show up, the Senior Wrangler says, "I personally have always liked 'The Lily-white Boys', you know," and Ridcully gives him a "sharp look". In short, the Senior Wrangler definitely wants to kiss his fellow [[AlwaysMale wizards]].
44	* Apparently Vimes would like to be married to this nice old colonel he's just made friends with (in ''Literature/{{Snuff}}''):
45	-->‘I do love her, you know,’ said the colonel. ‘We’ve been married for fifty-five years. I’m very sorry you’ve been troubled and, as I’ve said, I envy you your job.’\

Context HoYay / Discworld