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| 6 | * At the end of every level of ''VideoGame/{{Cadaver}}'' your rucksack loses all items that are not potions or spells. This isn't so bad as those items are generally only useful on the level you've just finished. |
| 7 | * Happens in ''Franchise/{{Metroid}}'' games, often with some justification such as Samus's equipment becoming infected or damaged. |
| 8 | ** ''VideoGame/MetroidIIReturnOfSamus'': You start off with about 30 missiles, since they're needed to even damage the Metroids she's hunting, and the Morph Ball and Long Beam. Everything else from the previous chronological games are lost. |
| 9 | ** In ''VideoGame/SuperMetroid'', Samus doesn't retain any of her gear from ''VideoGame/Metroid1'' and ''Metroid II'' except the Long Beam. Unlike later games, there's no explanation for this. |
| 10 | ** ''VideoGame/MetroidFusion'': Not only does the game explain this trope, the whole game revolves around it! Both Samus and the Power Suit's organic components get infected by an alien organism and the suit must be surgically removed. All of Samus's weapons and abilities stay in the suit, but the parasite within it mutates into the main villain, who ends up using Samus's best weapons against her. Luckily, this Bag Of Spilling doesn't spill things completely -- Samus still has all her powers as "latent abilities", they just need to be recovered by absorbing specific X parasites that have copied beings with similar abilities. |
| 11 | ** ''VideoGame/MetroidPrimeTrilogy'': |
| 12 | *** ''VideoGame/MetroidPrime'': An explosion that occurs during the EscapeSequence of the prologue hits Samus and has many of her powerups from the original ''VideoGame/Metroid1'' damaged, forcing her to earn identical replacements as she explores Tallon IV. |
| 13 | *** ''VideoGame/MetroidPrime2Echoes'': An Ing horde that ambushes Samus at the start of the game steals many of her powerups (though the Charge Beam and the Morph Ball are retained), so she has to get them back by defeating the Item Guardians. Certain powerups that Samus earned in the previous games (like the Ice and Plasma Beams) are completely absent in this game (the only explained absence is the Phazon Suit, because Samus lost it right after defeating Metroid Prime). |
| 14 | *** ''VideoGame/MetroidPrime3Corruption'': Samus keeps a few of the past game's items, such as Bombs and Space Jump, but all Luminoth-related powerups are absent due to Samus having returned them after the end of the previous game. The initial absence of most Chozo-related powerups (like the Missiles and Spider Ball) remains unexplained. |
| 15 | ** ''VideoGame/MetroidOtherM'' goes with [[MisaimedRealism a particularly disliked]] justification: Samus still has all the upgrades and weapons from ''Super Metroid'', [[HonorBeforeReason but chooses not to use them without permission from Adam]]. Logically this should only apply to her weapons, as Adam is concerned about her accidentally using a Power Bomb or something that can cause ridiculous levels of damage and kill everyone on the ship, but it strangely also includes abilities that are purely for traversal and defense as well. The go-to example many fans point to is the "Hell Run", where Samus must spend a prolonged amount of time running through in a superheated area without the upgrade that lets her stay in such locations without taking damage - the exact sort of situation ''every other game in the series'' avoids by using superheated areas as the BrokenBridge they are. |
| 16 | ** ''VideoGame/MetroidDread'' continues the series tradition. She starts off with her Varia Suit before getting defeated by an imposing Chozo Warrior, leaving her without most of her abilities. The series' reputation for this trope is lampshaded in Vol. 6 of the online developers' log, jokingly calling it "ability amnesia". [[spoiler:It turns out a large part of this is for plot reasons as well. The Chozo warrior, Raven Beak, begins impersonating ADAM and is guiding Samus toward unlocking the Metroid genes inside of her so he can clone her to create an army to take over the galaxy, and it's only in the midst of a life-or-death struggle that these genes awaken inside of her. Having access to her full arsenal would stunt this awakening.]] |
| 17 | * ''Franchise/TombRaider'': |
| 18 | ** In every game, Lara starts with just her pistols (and on one occasion her shotgun as well) and a couple of medipacks, despite the huge amount of weapons and supplies she picked up on her previous adventures and her wealth of owning a large stockpiles of weapons. |
| 19 | ** In the Nevada mission of the third game, Lara is captured and stripped of her weapons. You can't get your stuff back either, so doing this level first after the intro level is highly advised. |
| 20 | ** This also happens in the Offshire Rig level of Tomb Raider II, following a cutscene where Lara is caught onboard the enemy's seaplane and knocked unconscious with a wrench. She does retrieve her gear in short order, however. |
| 21 | ** Chronicles hits the reset button after every chapter. Justified in that each mission is framed by one of her friends discussing it, meaning each mission takes place at a different time in Lara's life from one another. |
| 22 | * ''Franchise/{{Castlevania}}:'' |
| 23 | ** ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaSymphonyOfTheNight'' has a variation on this. In the ''very beginning'' of the game, Alucard starts with a supreme set of gear, mostly comprised of heirlooms that he inherited from his bloodline. When he runs into [[TheDragon Death]] a couple of rooms later, however, he is chastised for defying his father's wishes, and the entire set of gear is confiscated. He can recover it by progressing to the endgame, but with SOTN's robust equipment system, it's not exactly necessary to complete the game. |
| 24 | ** In ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaDawnOfSorrow'', Soma Cruz, who has the power to absorb the souls of the monsters he slays, starts with none of the powers he gained from ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaAriaOfSorrow''. Genya Arikado [[HandWave handwaves]] it, explaining that since he wasn't in danger, Soma subconsciously released his acquired powers, though this doesn't explain what happened to the InfinityPlusOneSword. However, if you have the original GBA game in a Nintendo DS when the game starts, you are given an expensive item that increases rare drops. He did still retain the drop kick and backdash at least, and he clearly is more skilled with weapons this time around with their special abilities, managing to subvert and partially INVERT the trope. |
| 25 | ** In ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaLordsOfShadow2'', you lose all the upgrades Gabriel acquired in the [[VideoGame/CastlevaniaLordsOfShadow first game]]. Similarly, all the powers you had as Dracula in the opening flashback are lost after waking up centuries later. |
| 26 | * ''VideoGame/FroggersJourneyTheForgottenRelic'': Frogger starts the game lacking abilities he had naturally in the previous ''Frogger's Adventures'' games, such as his long jump and tongue whip. He doesn't get the equivalent abilities until unlocking certain upgrades for OPART. |
| 27 | * ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' series, despite being joked about in the ''Webcomic/ZeldaComic'' [[http://www.zeldacomic.net/episode-166-enlightening-would-be-an-apt-pun/ strip]] on the main page, mostly averts this since each installment is usually about [[LegacyCharacter a different Link]], who shouldn't be expected to have anything more than a sword and a shield starting out. Still, for direct sequels starring the same Link as a previous game, this tends to happen for one reason or another, such as being [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaPhantomHourglass cast adrift at sea]] or teleported to another realm like [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaMajorasMask Termina]], [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOracleGames Labrynna, and Holodrum]]. |
| 28 | ** In ''VideoGame/ZeldaIITheAdventureOfLink'', Link only retains a sword and a shield from [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaI the previous game]] and has to get a new raft, flute, candle and magical key. |
| 29 | ** Used straight in ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaLinksAwakening''. Link loses all his stuff when he suffers a shipwreck at the beginning of the game, and only retrieves his sword and shield. Of course, [[spoiler:the game turned out to be set in the Wind Fish's dream, so that's another good explanation]]. |
| 30 | ** For ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaMajorasMask Majora's Mask]]'', this isn't just limited to between games: Whenever the time-traveling hero hits his ResetButton, most, but not all, of his gear and supplies literally spill out from his pockets into the endless void as he flies back in time (even better, the only way of accumulating money is through a stamp made of special ink imprinted on your skin by a bank teller, recording the balance of your supposed account. Whenever you travel back in time, it's implied that you [[CompoundInterestTimeTravelGambit fool the bank into believing you currently have an account with this balance]]). Link also somehow loses access to the Ocarina songs he learned in ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime Ocarina of Time]]'', even the ones that are also used in ''Majora's Mask''. He "remembers" the Song of Time (through a flashback that doesn't match up with how he learned it in the first game), but has to be retaught Epona's Song and the Song of Storms by other characters. |
| 31 | ** In ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaPhantomHourglass'', Link has lost not only his gear but also [[https://www.awkwardzombie.com/comic/its-all-they-live-for his ability to wield swords,]] as well as ''his ability to swim''. Before, he could swim as long as the swim meter didn't run out; now, he [[SuperDrowningSkills sinks like a stone]], losing a little energy and appearing on shore. |
| 32 | ** {{Hand Wave}}d in ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaCDiGames The Faces of Evil]]'' for the Platform/PhilipsCDi. When Link is informed that "it is written" that only he can defeat Ganon, he declares, "Great! I'll grab my stuff!" only to hear Gwonam reply, "There is no time; your sword is enough." |
| 33 | ** It even happens in-game in the Platform/GameBoyColor game, ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOracleGames Oracle of Ages]]''. You've gotten a handful of useful stuff (a few dungeons in), when your rafting trip goes horribly awry, and lightning strikes you. You wake up on the island you were trying to get to anyway, surrounded by lizard men. Who carry off your stuff. You have ''nothing'' until you find the lizards who stole it and force them to give it back, including a handful of "trading" sequences involving planting a seedling in the past so you can get the seeds from it in the present to take those seeds back to the past to get your damn power bracelet back. This is especially apparent in the sidequests involving switching back and forth between the two ''Oracle'' games. Presumably, in-universe, Link is actually physically traveling between the two countries, but that doesn't explain why he becomes much more powerful and better-equipped when he goes back to the previous land and then leaves all his Heart Containers and items behind when he returns, ''especially'' when you actually can take rings from one game to the other as a NewGamePlus -- why Link would bother taking the Green Joy Ring from Holodrum to Labrynna where it's worthless (can't find double ore if there's no ore at all) but not even so much as his sword is anyone's guess. |
| 34 | ** The Eldin [[spoiler:Song of the Hero]] quest in ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSkywardSword'' starts with [[spoiler:Eldin Volcano erupting as Link descends from the sky, knocking him out and allowing the Bokoblins to steal his items. The entire quest revolves around making your way through the area while slowly regaining your items to progress.]] |
| 35 | ** ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaBreathOfTheWild'' has Link awaken in the Shrine of Resurrection naked as the day he was born, save for a pair of decency shorts, with only a top and pants in the nearby chests and no weapons whatsoever. Over the course of the game, he regains his memories, revealing that he was already hero-ing before the events of the game (some of which is seen in ''VideoGame/HyruleWarriorsAgeOfCalamity''). The last two memories explain why this is: [[spoiler:Link fought so far beyond his body's own abilities with so little rest that he was just as ruined as the Master Sword he was carrying at the time, and he only stayed conscious long enough to see Zelda unleash her divine power for the first time; relocating him to the Shrine and sealing him inside for a century was the only way to save his life. After that, Zelda entrusted the Master Sword to the Deku Tree, to reclaim the power that Link so thoroughly exhausted, and even when he gets it back, he can only use that power in short bursts at a time instead of as a functionally immortal weapon. It takes the additional Trial of the Sword quest to fully reawaken the Master Sword, and even then it requires the occasional recharge.]] |
| 36 | ** ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTearsOfTheKingdom'' starts off with Link at the peak of his strength from ''Breath of the Wild'', with thirty hearts, maximum stamina, wielding the Master Sword, and wearing the Champion's Tunic.[[note]]Max hearts and max stamina simultaneously is actually impossible in BOTW, as there aren't enough Spirit Orbs; max stamina means being three short of max hearts, and vice versa.[[/note]] He also no longer has the four Champion abilities, due to the Champions' spirits having passed on, or the Sheikah Slate (although Zelda does have an improved model created by Purah). However, the first encounter with Ganondorf in the opening ends with Link grievously injured by a blast of the Demon King's dark magic, losing all but three hearts and five stamina vessels, and destroying both the sword and the tunic. Fortunately, all the relationships he established with the secondary characters in the first game remain intact, most of the populace know who he is by now, and he doesn't have amnesia this time; furthermore, [[OldSaveBonus if you have save data from the Switch version of BotW on the same console]], any registered horses will be carried over. If you go to Link and Zelda's house in Hateno Village, there's also a justification provided for not having any of the collectible/purchasable armor that was available in the first game: it turns out that Link's still been adventuring during the TimeSkip between games, [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome and it's been very hard on his clothes]] (the plot-important and sentimental Zora Armor is received from an NPC who was repairing it when you get to Zora's Domain). |
| 37 | * Averted in the ''VideoGame/LegacyOfKain'' series. Abilities gained by both Kain in the ''Blood Omen'' games and Raziel in the ''Soul Reaver'' games are retained from one game to the next. There are a few exceptions; for example, Kain doesn't use his Wolf form after ''Blood Omen 1'' and Raziel doesn't use his Constrict power after ''Soul Reaver 1'', but those powers were of limited use anyway. Still played straight when it comes to the reaver forges--poor Raziel has to imbue the wraith blade twice with every last element between ''Soul Reaver 2'' and ''Defiance''. Particularly glaring because it is a vital element of the plot. A scene has the [[BigBad Elder God]] destroying the Elemental Fonts used to switch the sword elements in ''Soul Reaver 2''--forcing Raziel to re-imbue the sword. |
| 38 | * ''Videogame/LikeADragon'': |
| 39 | ** A mixed bag in the series, where Kiryu and other playable characters retain certain unlockable abilities from previous games (barring complete revamps to the combat systems) but still start off with base statistics (justified as being out of action in-between games). |
| 40 | ** Lampshaded in ''VideoGame/YakuzaKiwami'' (a remake of the first game) where Majima is disappointed by Kiryu's lack of the fighting prowess he had in ''VideoGame/Yakuza0'' due to 15 years in the slammer and so makes it his mission to beat those skills back into him. |
| 41 | ** This gets lampshaded again in ''Videogame/LikeADragonGaidenTheManWhoErasedHisName'', where the descriptor for the [[CounterAttack Tiger Drop]] has Kiryu noting that he tends to forget this skill if he doesn't get some practice in. |
| 42 | * ''VideoGame/{{inFAMOUS 2}}'' semi-averts it, as Cole loses only some of his powers from the first game, and his energy meter is reduced back to its starting size. He then spends most of the game regaining his lost powers and collecting new ones. Even his original default lightning bolt attack is lost, replaced with a different bolt attack that doesn't have unlimited ammo. |
| 43 | * ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamSeries'': |
| 44 | ** ZigZagged in ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamCity''. Once Bruce Wayne manages to gear up as Batman, he starts with most of the gadgets he acquired in ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamAsylum''. The only major piece of equipment he doesn't carry over (the Line Launcher) is given to him roughly halfway through the game. It's even [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] by Alfred when Batman calls in the Line Launcher. He asks Batman if he's ever considered taking up a bigger UtilityBelt. Batman's response? Tried it, too heavy, weighed him down (no doubt a reference to the No Man's Land comic run where, as he was out in costume roughly 20 hours a day, he built a larger belt to handle a larger variety of crime fighting gear). However, some upgrades that he had in ''Asylum'' do need to be purchased again, even though they would be massively useful in every-day Bat-manning (Critical Strikes and Combo boost come into mind). Additionally, the triple batclaw is also lost between games. Some gadgets you apparently have the entire time, but are prevented from using until the main story progresses to a certain point. |
| 45 | ** ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamOrigins'', which chronologically takes place first, retroactively makes the first two games into a case of this, by introducing new items that weren't in them. When asked about what happened to these new items, the creators simply [[HandWave responded by saying he just chose not to bring them with him.]] In the ''Cold Cold Heart'' DLC, set one week after ''Origins'', Alfred tells Batman that the glue grenade formula was unstable, apparently justifying not being able to use them anymore. It's also possibly justified in ''Asylum'' as Batman wasn't expecting Joker's takeover of the Asylum and thus he had left most of his gear in the Batmobile or elsewhere, equipment that was likely destroyed (save for the Explosive Gel, of course) when Joker sicced his thugs to wreck the car. |
| 46 | ** In ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamKnight'', you once again start with a wide variety of gadgets (presumably the standard ones). The REC device and Electrocutioner's gloves are shown as having been turned into the police as evidence. The former can be reclaimed almost immediately (and is ultimately required), the latter cannot be taken back (Presumably because it was a game-breaker. Not to mention that since it's been ten years since the events of ''Origins'', one can assume that they no longer function). The freeze grenades are in your base, and can also be retrieved when you desire. Other gadgets are shown in various storage locations, keeping with the above explanation that Batman doesn't take ''every'' gadget out with him, as [[CrazyPrepared he has way too many for that]] - he takes out the standard ones and grabs more specialized stuff as needed. |
| 47 | ** The game also brings back the crime scene reconstruction tech introduced in ''Origins''. We can only assume Bruce's skills and/or Detective Vision are so advanced after the prequel he didn't need to "set up a crime scene" in ''Asylum'' or ''City'', or he just didn't need it on those particular nights. |
| 48 | * ''VideoGame/TheSwordsOfDitto'', being a ''Zelda''-like Rogue-lite, plays this mostly straight. Whether your character dies or completes their quest, the next character you control only gets to keep the sword and a few basic gadgets on their next run. [[spoiler:Once you revive the statue of Serendipity, you can pay some Crystals to grant one or more items to start with on your next character.]] |
| 49 | * ''VideoGame/BlasterMasterZeroII'' justifies the loss of most powers in-story: |
| 50 | ** The EleventhHourSuperpower Sophia ZERO was built for power instead of longevity, and Jason promptly ran it into the ground searching the world for anything that could cure Eve. Between wear and tear and the unreliable power supply, the only thing that could be salvaged for G-SOPHIA was the main cannon. |
| 51 | ** Similarly, the accompanying Blaster Rifle was only designed for a single planet's defense and had no low-power settings, and was on the verge of burning itself out. A new one had to be designed that could fire its higher-tier projectiles with a lower power level so it would last. (Incidentally, this neatly justified the {{Nerf}} many weapons recieved.) |
| 52 | ** Averted with the common-sense dive and hover mobility modules, which you start the game with. Well, the hover module gets damaged as the game starts, but fixing it is the first mission after the shakedown. |
| 53 | * ''VideoGame/BlasterMasterZeroIII'' justifies the loss of powers in-game as both Jason and Eve having to service the [=G-SOPHIA=] with parts from the ANDREIA and even those parts being pulled by the Sophia Force for analysis. Jason has to rebuild the [=G-SOPHIA=] SV with everything he can scavenge, though he keeps the dive and wall-jump modules and gets Hover back from Kane. |
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| 57 | * In ''VideoGame/EightEyes'', all health and item capacity upgrades are lost between stages, as is whatever special weapon the hero was carrying. The final BossRush castle automatically boosts these meters to their full capacity, as there are no upgrades to be found there. |
| 58 | * ''VideoGame/LEGOStarWars II'' has an "extra" that allows the user to import characters from a ''LEGO Star Wars'' save file for use in the "Free Play" mode. |
| 59 | * Zigzagged in the ''VideoGame/HarryPotter'' games. |
| 60 | ** Played straight in the GBC versions, where Harry somehow forgets everything he learned his first year, loses his entire Famous Witches and Wizards card collection, and loses all his money. |
| 61 | ** Averted with some spells in the PC versions. Harry learns Flipendo, Alohomora, and Lumos in his first year and retains them all at the start of his second year. However, he does lose Wingardium Leviosa and Incendio, and ends up learning Diffindo to replace the latter, in the exact same class as before (Herbology). He also learns Rictusempra and Spongify in his second year and keeps them both (along with Alohomora and Lumos) at the beginning of his third year. Flipendo, oddly enough, is suddenly gone, with Depulso replacing it and the characters acting as though they'd always been using Depulso to move objects. However, Harry still loses his Wizard Cards, as well as his collection of Bertie Botts Every Flavor Beans (probably ate them all, the pig). |
| 62 | ** The Playstation versions mostly avert it, as Harry keeps Flipendo and Wingardium Leviosa from the previous game. He still has to relearn Verdimillious and Incendio, but it's {{Handwaved}} by claiming that they are improved versions called Verdimillious Duo and Incendio Duo (in practice, they're only improved in that they're quicker to cast). He still has to collect all the Wizard Cards again, though. |
| 63 | ** The 6th generation console versions only let Harry keep Flipendo between games. Especially obvious between the first two, as the two games have almost the same spells but still need to be unlocked again during Harry's second year (this is due to the ''[[VideoGame/HarryPotterAndThePhilosophersStone Philosopher's Stone]]'' game being created after ''[[VideoGame/HarryPotterAndTheChamberOfSecrets Chamber of Secrets]]'', using mostly the same assets). As usual, beans and Wizard Cards are also reset. |
| 64 | * In ''VideoGame/LEGOHarryPotter: Years 5-7'', all the Defense Against the Dark Arts spells that Harry and co. learned in Years 1-4 (except for Harry's Expecto Patronum) are banned by Professor Umbridge at the start of the game, and must be relearned or unlocked. |
| 65 | * ''VideoGame/Onimusha3DemonSiege'' starts off Samonosuke with fully upgraded weapons and armor from the first game, with most of them being shown in the opening CG cutscene, and a fully upgraded soul absorbing gauntlet. After he is sent to the future, he loses all of his upgrades and begins with a simple katana and downgraded armor and must collect new weapons and upgrades. |
| 66 | * Every game in the ''{{VideoGame/TAGAP}}'' series has an explanation for why main character Pablo always starts out with minimal equipment. ''TAGAP 2'' starts with a simple infiltration mission, so he deliberately chooses to forgo his heavy weaponry and keep himself light. Meanwhile, ''3'' and ''4'' start with him being kidnapped and falling in another timeline respectively, which justifies the loss of equipment. |
| 67 | * ''VideoGame/HorizonForbiddenWest'' takes place six months after ''VideoGame/HorizonZeroDawn.'' It's explained that Aloy has been very busy between, searching for a backup of GAIA to correct the climate imbalance and blight spreading across the world, making this a SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome All those fancy weapons from the endgame? Worn out and discarded. The end game armor with the regenerating shield? It's the starting armor in ''Forbidden West,'' except the power cells have worn out and it's now just a regular suit of armor. That said, Aloy retains the ''skills'' she learned in the first game, like getting free slow mo when jumping, overriding and mounting basic machines, and the ability to repair overridden machines. |
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| 71 | * Exception: One of the big selling points of the ''VideoGame/QuestForGlory'' franchise was its using the OldSaveBonus, letting the player transfer their character from one game to the next; doing so would let you retain some of the items you had from the last adventure. This also holds true for stats, with imported characters generally being better off than ones created fresh for each game, especially if the player took the time to LevelGrind. |
| 72 | ** ''VideoGame/QuestForGloryIV'' played this trope straight with the [[JustifiedTrope Justification]] that the hero was subject to a forced teleportation spell and lost all his gear along the way, forcing you to start over again. However, it obviously doesn't affect intangibles like your stats. |
| 73 | ** ''VideoGame/QuestForGloryV'' then inverts this, with your friend and mentor Rakeesh (who was there when you were forcibly teleported back in ''VideoGame/QuestForGloryIII'') returning some of the items you lost. ''[=QfG5=]'' also has a special case relating to the Thieves' [[Film/TheMalteseFalcon1941 Blackbird]] sub-quest: In ''[=QfG4=]'', you can find and steal a duplicate Blackbird from the evil monastery in town; if you then import your character into ''[=QfG5=]'', he'll have the Fake Blackbird in his inventory, which makes stealing the real thing a little easier by cutting out a few steps[[note]]If you don't have the Fake, you have to take the real statue to an artist in town so he can make a duplicate[[/note]]. |
| 74 | * At the beginning of ''VideoGame/{{Monkey Island 2|LeChucks Revenge}}'', Guybrush Threepwood is hideously wealthy after his adventures on the high seas between this game and the first. He is almost immediately robbed by the [[TheNapoleon diminutive but tough]] Largo [=LaGrande=]. |
| 75 | ** A strange case occurs in ''VideoGame/TheCurseOfMonkeyIsland'' (the third game in the series). You begin the game with only one item in your inventory: an inexplicable pair of helium filled balloons. Presumably these are the same balloons acquired in the endgame of ''Monkey Island 2'', but everything else from that game has been lost. The game does this midway through the second chapter as well: While walking on a nature trail, Guybrush gets swallowed by a snake, and has to collect a wide variety of items inside the snake's belly before finding one that'll help him escape... after which the snake vomits Guybrush into a quicksand pit, which sucks almost all of Guybrush's recently discovered loot right through his pants. |
| 76 | ** In ''VideoGame/TalesOfMonkeyIsland'', an EpisodicGame, Guybrush loses some items between chapters while keeping others, sometimes with no explanation, but the justification can be that those items aren't useful anymore so he just discards them. At one point a lost item could be very helpful and Guybrush says that he lost it. |
| 77 | * ''[[VideoGame/LittleBigAdventure Little Big Adventure 2]]'' offers one of the better explanations. It's explicitly said that [[TheHero Twinsen]] hasn't practiced magic since the previous game and lent his Ancestral Tunic (that grants him magical powers in the first place) to a museum. He has as much HP as in the previous game, and his physical shape and hand-to-hand combat skills are as good as ever. On the other hand, a few important items are still missing (including a CoolSword), and upon reclaiming the old magical stuff, he only gets one level of magic and needs new items to progress further. |
| 78 | * Played straight through the ''VideoGame/SpaceQuest'' series--Roger Wilco doesn't retain equipment from one game to the next. With the exception of the Orium crystal from II, which Roger starts with in III. Also, the ''effects'' of another item carry over from II to III: acquiring the free-but-not-really Labion Terror Beast Mating Whistle in II leads to the Arnoid hunting Roger during III. However, the sixth game shows that he does keep some of the items from all his adventures: they are all on the table in his quarters aboard the ''[=DeepShip 86=]''. |
| 79 | * In Creator/{{Infocom}}'s ''VideoGame/{{Enchanter}}'' trilogy, the first and second games each end with your spellbook being lost, along with all the spells you gathered over the course of the game. That said, the second and third games do each start with you equipped with a new spellbook with a better range of spells than the anemic spellbook you get at the beginning of ''Enchanter''. |
| 80 | * ''VideoGame/KingsQuestI''. In the first game, the protagonist Graham recovers three treasures. One of these is a mirror that foretells the future, which is used to drive the plot in most of the sequels. The other two, a chest of infinite gold and particularly a ''shield of invulnerability'', are never brought up again, although they surely would have come in handy. |
| 81 | * {{Lampshaded}} in ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfKyrandia The Legend of Kyrandia, Book Two: Hand of Fate]].'' When Zanthia loses all her items each time she moves to the next chapter, she grunts and complains that "it's the worst backpack I've ever had". |
| 82 | * In the ''Film/{{Hook}}'' point-and-click adventure game for home computers, after you walk the plank and get rescued by the mermaids you find that you've conveniently lost all the items that you no longer have a use for. |
| 83 | * In the ''VideoGame/LeisureSuitLarry'' series, Larry loses all items from the previous games. This is usually justified, as some time passes between the end of one and the start of another. Also justified in ''VideoGame/LeisureSuitLarry7LoveForSail'', which starts immediately after ''VideoGame/LeisureSuitLarry6ShapeUpOrSlipOut'', as he gets robbed and starts a fire in the hotel room, forcing him to jump out the window naked, losing all his possessions in the fire. |
| 84 | * Averted in ''VideoGame/VivaCaligula: In Hell!''; Caligula has all the weapons from the previous game. There don't appear to be any new ones, but it's still refreshing. |
| 85 | * The ''VideoGame/{{Submachine}}'' series plays with this a bit: |
| 86 | ** You start ''The Lighthouse'' with the Wisdom Gem and Diary Page from ''The Basement''. The Coin is absent (implied to have been inserted into [[MindScrew the coin-op Submachine cabinet]] you start in front of), and the Wisdom Gem is used in an early puzzle. |
| 87 | ** You start ''The Loop'' with an empty inventory, implicitly because due to having lost them [[spoiler:travelling through the portal at the end of ''The Lighthouse'']]. The opening implicitly lampshades this with the phrase "THERE IS NO DIARY PAGE". |
| 88 | ** ''The Loop's'' sole collectible is used to escape the titular location, so you start ''The Lab'' with an empty inventory. |
| 89 | ** ''The Root'' begins with you in a different part of ''The Lab's'' titular location, an unspecified time after [[spoiler:being hired by Murtaugh]]. Given your empty inventory, you had presumably put your knife, hammer, screwdriver and lighter away somewhere. |
| 90 | ** You retain the notes, cipher plates and wrench from ''The Root'' at the start of ''The Edge'', but you are forced to deposit them in a bin after the subnet defense system intercepts you. |
| 91 | ** You end ''The Edge'' with an empty inventory (you just read the notes without collecting them this time), and so start ''The Core'' with an empty inventory. |
| 92 | ** You start ''The Plan'' without the notes from ''The Core'', having presumably lost them due to [[spoiler: having reached Sector 9 through an unstable karma portal]]. |
| 93 | ** ''The Temple'' starts with you still having the hammer and navigator from ''The Plan''. Whilst the navigator is used to solve puzzles, the hammer is exclusively used to find a secret. |
| 94 | ** ''[[GrandFinale The Exit]]'' opens with you going through the white karma portal seen at the end of ''The Temple'', giving an implicit justification for your inventory being empty. |
| 95 | * In ''VideoGame/PrincessTomatoInTheSaladKingdom'', your sidekick Percy carries most of your stuff. Every now and then -- usually after you've completed a major event or reached the end of a chapter -- he informs you that whoops! He's dropped, lost, or otherwise misplaced some of it! Fortunately, none of what he loses is actually ''required'' to complete the game; think of it as an involuntary inventory reduction. |
| 96 | ** Something similar happens in the ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' series, though in this case the characters explicitly state that they're intentionally reorganizing their inventories and dumping things they don't need anymore. |
| 97 | * ''VideoGame/HamtaroHamHamHeartbreak'' justifies Hamtaro losing all of the Ham-Chat words from his dictionary by having him fall in a bucket of water at the start of the game, ruining his dictionary. |
| 98 | * The Creator/TelltaleGames ''VideoGame/SamAndMaxFreelancePolice'' games plays it straight and subverts it at times. A lot of the items are tossed out in between chapters, but a few are either kept in their inventory later on or handwaved with where it was. For instance, the hypnotizing-proof helmet from the very first game is said to be permanently woven into Sam's hat. |
| 99 | * In the ''VideoGame/MentalSeries'', Greg has a slingshot with him in the first game and in ''Mental Showtime'' for some reason. He doesn't have it in ''Murder Most Foul''. Maybe he dropped it when escaping... |
| 100 | * ''[[VideoGame/TheAdventuresofFatman The Adventures of Fatman: Toxic Revenge]]'' has the eponymous hero disguising himself later in the game, and when he changes his outfit he also takes the opportunity to throw out all the inventory items he won't need for the rest of the game. Not only that, he even throws out all locations on his destination list he won't need for the rest of the game either. |
| 101 | * In ''VideoGame/{{Poptropica}}'', items and skills you earn from specific islands don't carry over to the other islands, since keeping them would make entire sections of quests skippable. |
| 102 | * ''VideoGame/DareToDream'': At the end of episode 1, Tyler wakes up from his dream, and of course he doesn't take his inventory with him. At the end of episode 2, he drops everything except the Key of Enigama as he crosses the bridge into the [=NiteMare=]. |
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| 105 | [[folder:Beat 'em Up]] |
| 106 | * In games in this genre that allow you to pick up weapons (either from defeated enemies who carry them or found randomly lying around) it's very common for your character to drop them when they exit the current area. |
| 107 | * Occurs in-between ''VideoGame/DustyRevenge'' and it's prequel, ''VideoGame/DustyRagingFist''. In the prequel Dusty and friends obtains various ElementalPowers from the bosses they defeated, only realizing they're being manipulated by their TreacherousQuestGiver to eliminate the elemental guardians. The heroes still saves the day and restores the world to normal, but at the cost of their new powers being neutralized. Come by the original game, they're back to their normal selves. |
| 108 | * In ''Videogame/RiverCityGirls2'', after getting kicked out of school Misako and Kyoko did nothing but play videogames for two whole months. As such, by the time they decided to leave the house they're back at level one and have to relearn their moves |
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| 111 | [[folder:Fighting Game]] |
| 112 | * ''VideoGame/Persona4Arena'' takes place a few months after the end of ''VideoGame/Persona4'', but for some odd reason, the Investigation Team can only use their base level personas.[[note]]Save for [[TheHero Narukami]], whose Insta-Kill makes use of his Ultimate Persona[[/note]] This is despite the fact that the Investigation Team canonically completed their Social Links (e.g Rise returns to being an idol), which is required to unlock the Ultimate Personas, and Teddie's Social Link is completed in the course of the main story. However, in both this game and its sequel ''VideoGame/Persona4ArenaUltimax'', this is averted for the [[VideoGame/Persona3 SEES alumni]], who all retain their Ultimate Personas. |
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| 115 | [[folder:First-Person Shooter]] |
| 116 | * ''VideoGame/HalfLife'': |
| 117 | ** The series has reasons why Gordon Freeman doesn't start with all his weapons and items from the previous game: removed by the G-Man at the end of ''VideoGame/HalfLife1'', destroyed by a security system during the penultimate level of ''VideoGame/HalfLife2'', and scattered by an explosion and train wreck at the end of ''Half-Life 2: Episode One''. Gordon still has his weapons at the end of ''Half-Life 2: Episode Two'', however, and shows no indication of possibly losing them. |
| 118 | ** ''Half-Life 2'' and its various episodes avert this when you start a game from anywhere other than the first chapter. The game will give you every weapon you can have at that point and a reasonable amount of ammo for all of them. |
| 119 | * ''Franchise/StarWars: VideoGame/DarkForcesSaga'': |
| 120 | ** ''[[VideoGame/JediKnightMysteriesOfTheSith Mysteries of the Sith]]'' averted this trope in its early levels, as the player begins the game as [[ATasteOfPower a fully powered and well-armed Kyle Katarn]], before assuming the role of Mara Jade after Kyle goes missing. |
| 121 | ** Played straight with an explanation in ''VideoGame/JediKnightIIJediOutcast'', where it is revealed that Kyle Katarn gave up the Force for fear of falling to the Dark Side ([[spoiler:like he did in ''Mysteries of the Sith'']]), and is thus unable to use the Force powers he had in the previous game until he's convinced early on to re-establish his connection to the Force. |
| 122 | ** For ''VideoGame/JediKnightJediAcademy'', instead of reusing that trope yet again, the developers instead gave the player the role of Jaden, his apprentice and a new arrival to the Jedi Academy, with Kyle taking a supporting role and still having all the abilities he had at the end of ''Outcast'' when he accompanies you. They were fully aware of this trope, and they have specifically stated that the decision for a new protagonist in ''Jedi Academy'' was because of how silly it would get if they had to depower Kyle again and again by some excuse after another. |
| 123 | * ''VideoGame/BattlefieldBadCompany''. It's probably a conscious design decision, to try and avoid TooAwesomeToUse. ''Bad Company 2'' also avoids this by virtue of the weapon crates scattered about in the campaign - even in the odd case where you lose what guns you had been using beforehand, you can typically find one of the crates and grab whatever you want from it. |
| 124 | * Justified in the last level of ''VideoGame/UrbanChaosRiotResponse''. Nick's safe house is bombed with him in it while he's off duty, so of course he doesn't have any of his T-Zero equipment since he has to leave that at Headquarters. However, since Nick's apartment was attacked before, he has several weapons stashed in it, and he can also grab a shield from a Burner after killing one. Other characters are also smart about the lack of equipment - when one worries that they can't contact Nick since he doesn't have his T-Zero communicator, another suggests to just call his regular cell phone. |
| 125 | * ''VideoGame/Left4Dead'': |
| 126 | ** The intro cinematic of the first game ends right at the opening to the first level, "No Mercy." But the characters are shown using weapons that they won't actually find until later. During the cinematic, every character either runs out of ammo or has the gun knocked out of their hands, leaving them with only the starting pistol. |
| 127 | ** [[VideoGame/Left4Dead2 The sequel]], which actually has a canonical chronological sequence to its campaigns, lampshades this in "Hard Rain" when the protagonists realize that they've left their weapons and the flares needed to signal their boat in a bag that they forgot to grab from said boat. The other campaigns play the trope straight, but there are some unsaid explanations. In "The Passing/Dark Carnival", they arrive in a tight, cramped stock car that likely could barely hold 4 people, much less guns. "Swamp Fever" starts with a helicopter crash. Virgil likely wanted some payment for his services rendered and/or the Survivors were willing to give him their guns to show their gratitude, which would explain why they have nothing at the start of "The Parish". Then there is "The Sacrifice", wherein the old survivors arrive in a train and still don't carry anything but pistols--though we know from the tie-in comic that the US military confiscated the stronger guns. |
| 128 | ** The tie-in comic for "The Sacrifice" explained how in the original game the Survivors lost their weapons between some of the campaigns: The Slaters stole their weapons and booted them off the boat in the aftermath of "Death Toll", the airplane crashed after "Dead Air", and the military that rescued them confiscated their weapons for security reasons. It's unknown why they lost their weapons after "Crash Course" though, as their armored truck had more than enough room to carry it and it was merely blocked by dead traffic (and a literal broken bridge). |
| 129 | * ''VideoGame/FrontlinesFuelOfWar'': |
| 130 | ** The game has the missions divided into segments for each objective, separated by a short loading screen. The player often picks up many nifty toys to ensure that he's covered for all situations, such as carrying an assault rifle, grenade launcher, rocket launcher, pistol, sniper rifle, grenades, several UCAV drones with rocket launchers, and a pair of binoculars that drop airstrikes wherever he points them. This massive arsenal is lost in between loading screens, even if the next segment takes place mere minutes after and it would make no logical sense for him to take all of his equipment that could make the next mission a total breeze and toss them off a cliff, forcing him to find replacements. Seeing as how the player is fully-versed in every weapon and equipment classification in the entire war, it's a surprise they don't give him a full arsenal of whatever he requests at the beginning of each mission, because the commanders know he'll find and use them anyway. |
| 131 | ** Apart from the black ops mission (where you paradrop in) it's pretty obvious that you are basically [[FacelessGoons just another soldier]]; the story follows the reporter and the squad, not an individual soldier. And you get some of those TooAwesomeToUse chaingun mini-tank drones as the black ops guy, who conveniently vanishes before the next phase of the mission, when having one or two of those little things would ''really'' help with the upcoming fights... |
| 132 | * ''Franchise/{{Doom}}'': |
| 133 | ** The original ''VideoGame/{{Doom}}'' is divided into three (later four) [[EpisodicGame episodes]], each of which starts you off with only your most basic weaponry; while there's an excuse for one episode (you end episode 1 by getting killed, and start episode 2 in Hell), the others don't bother. |
| 134 | ** ''VideoGame/DoomII'': The game's complementary expansion, released as the ''Master Levels for Doom II'', has each level be played with full independence from the others; so even after you've amassed a large arsenal after completing a level, you'll begin the next with just a pistol and your fists. This is because each of these levels was developed by a different person under contract, making them effectively AscendedFanon. The only exception is the secret level accessed from the standard final level, which retains the arsenal amassed in the latter. |
| 135 | ** ''VideoGame/Doom3'': You lose all your weapons twice in the original campaign: first when Betruger turns on the portal and you get DraggedOffToHell (it's also justified, as he may have deliberately teleported you without your gear) and later when you escape from Hell (less justified, as all your weapons other than the Soul Cube seemingly disappear for no reason when you go through the portal back to Mars). This in turn means you need to find your {{BFG}} a total of ''three'' times throughout the game. |
| 136 | ** ''VideoGame/Doom2016'' was eventually revealed to be in the same continuity with ''Doom, Doom II,'' and ''VideoGame/Doom64.'' This trope is justified in that the Slayer begins the game imprisoned by demons. He quickly recovers a pistol and then his armor, but has to rebuild his arsenal from scratch. |
| 137 | ** ''VideoGame/DoomEternal'': The only weapon carried over between ''2016'' and ''Eternal'' is the regular shotgun. The Slayer ''does'' retain the double-jump boots and chainsaw, though. The expansion packs of ''Doom Eternal'' avert this trope, as the Slayer is deprived of only one weapon, [[spoiler:the Crucible]] because he left it stuck in the final boss of the main game. |
| 138 | * ''VideoGame/{{Marathon}} 2'' uses the excuse that your items have all been confiscated by HQ so that they can reverse engineer them for mass production. Durandal, being [[{{Troll}} who he is]], gleefully lampshades this when the game begins: |
| 139 | -->'''Durandal:''' I'm sure you're wondering why you were in stasis, what happened to the Marathon and Tau Ceti, and most of all where your rocket launcher and the fusion gun are. |
| 140 | * ''VideoGame/{{Heretic}}'' has weapons lost between episodes, but additionally only allows you to carry one of each inventory item across levels. |
| 141 | * Occurs twice in ''VideoGame/{{Crysis}}''. Once after getting captured, and once right before facing the final boss. This includes the attachments, some of which you will never see again after the first half of the game. ''Crysis'' only lets you carry a small selection of weapons at a time. Plus, at least it was justified--and if you run around before beating the stuffing out of the guy who caught you, you can rearm yourself somewhat, and the second time you did have to stop and go in for a diagnostic check... it's not like they were ''expecting'' a [[spoiler:giant alien squid battleship thing to pop up and blast them with a freeze-ray]], eh? |
| 142 | * ''[[VideoGame/FirstEncounterAssaultRecon F.E.A.R.]]'''s expansions and sequels (the ones that involve Point Man, anyway) do this. |
| 143 | ** ''F.E.A.R.: Extraction Point'' starts Point Man off without weapons save for a single pistol, ostensibly justified by having just survived a helicopter crash caused by a nearby nuclear explosion. Less justifiably, he's also lost the effects of any health or reflex boosters he picked up over the course of the original game. ''Perseus Mandate'' justifies an inability to carry over weapons and boosters from ''Extraction Point'' by way of putting you in the shoes of an entirely different operator who drops in about halfway through the events of the original game. |
| 144 | ** ''F.E.A.R. 3'' starts after Point Man has been captured and imprisoned by Armacham for an unspecified length of time (generally presumed to be 9 months). Point Man and Fettel also lose any weapons/bodies/power armor when switching chapters, Point Man starting most chapters afterwards with just the basic pistol (except for the start of one chapter, where [[NoGearLevel he doesn't even keep that]]). Sometimes justified by Point Man barely surviving a fall from the breaking environment or some sort of vehicle crash, sometimes not. It's presumed he uses up or otherwise loses guns between intervals. As for Fettel, he can't hold on to a body without constantly killing for psychic energy. |
| 145 | * Every location change in ''VideoGame/{{XIII}}'' is accompanied with the player character losing the various weapons and equipment he had grabbed in the previous levels, though on occasion he gets new gear to start out with. |
| 146 | * The ''VideoGame/CallOfDuty'' series zig-zags this, where, depending on the game and how its story is structured, your character can frequently go from having a reasonable explanation for this (days between missions, where he would have every reason to be resupplied with what his side actually uses) to somehow, during the loading screen, completely misplace the enemy gun he came in with while somehow reacquiring the useless pistol he dropped for that enemy gun less than two minutes after starting. The [[VideoGame/CallOfDuty1 original]] and ''[[VideoGame/CallOfDuty2 2]]'' generally avoided this for sequential missions, for the most part (particularly in ''2'') keeping whatever guns you had at the end of one level to start the next one with, but as the series slid closer to pure GunPorn it started playing this as ridiculously-straight as possible simply so you'd have a new gun to play with each mission. The Chernobyl missions in ''VideoGame/{{Call of Duty 4|ModernWarfare}}'' are probably the oddest instance, however: the sniper rifle you start with in the first one survives the transition to the second, minus its suppressor and ghillie camouflage, but the silenced USP you also start with and anything else you can pick up in the level will turn into an AK-47 during the transition -- ''except'', ironically, for an actual AK-47, which will instead turn into a USP for some reason. |
| 147 | * In ''VideoGame/Destiny2'', all of your weapons, armor, and other equipment from ''Videogame/{{Destiny}}'' are lost, due to Ghaul destroying the Tower and its armory, and your Guardian being forced to flee the City in a badly wounded state with none of their powers after Ghaul cuts off the Traveler's Light. As Cayde-6 explains it: |
| 148 | -->''"So... everything is gone. Your stuff, my stuff, but most importantly, MY STUFF."'' |
| 149 | * A rather extreme example occurs in ''VideoGame/JurassicParkTrespasser''. Because the game has no [=HUDs=], there's also no inventory to store items, nor any way to reload guns, and at the end of every level, you are forced to discard the weapon you're holding. This particularly sucks for the mace, which is an exceptionally powerful melee weapon... but it's found at the very end of a level. |
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| 152 | [[folder:Hack and Slash]] |
| 153 | * ''VideoGame/DevilMayCry'': |
| 154 | ** ''VideoGame/DevilMayCry2'' starts Dante with none of the weapons or powers from the [[VideoGame/DevilMayCry1 first game]] except for the "Air Hike" double jump; it doesn't explain why, either. The [[VideoGame/DevilMayCry3DantesAwakening third game]] is a prequel to the first two, and thus it is only natural he has none of the gear from the second one, except for a weaker version of his "Rebellion" sword... but then it leaves the gaping question of where all the weapons he picked up in ''that'' game went before the first ''Devil May Cry'' (other than the Force Edge, which he acquires at the end of ''3'' and keeps as his main sword for the first game). There must be a closet somewhere in his office stuffed with demonic weaponry. |
| 155 | ** ''VideoGame/DevilMayCry4'' continues this trend. It comes after ''2'' chronologically, and it features a new main character altogether (Nero) who obviously has none of the weapons Dante had. However, Dante becomes the lead halfway through the game, which becomes a partial subversion: for all of the red orbs and proud souls you acquired as Nero, Dante gets an equivalent cache for himself to upgrade his abilities right away. Dante is also able to use all of the "[[StanceSystem styles]]" from ''Devil May Cry 3'', though missing those that he acquires partway through that game ([[TimeStandsStill Quicksilver]] and {{Doppelganger|Attack}}) and the ones he kept are back at Level 1, in return for being able to switch between them on the fly rather than being stuck with one for an entire stage. |
| 156 | ** In an interview leading up to ''VideoGame/DevilMayCry5'' as well as a radio drama tie-in for [[Anime/DevilMayCryTheAnimatedSeries the anime]], it was stated that the reason Dante doesn't keep all of his weapons is that he sells them to [[VideoGame/{{Bayonetta}} his friend Enzo]] as collateral to [[PerpetualPoverty make up for all the rent money Dante had borrowed from him]]. According to the ''Before the Nightmare'' prequel novel, Dante kept Cerberus at least but it broke when he was fighting Balrog. In the game itself, Nero has his Devil Bringer ripped off prior to the main story. It's understandable that he might be rusty after such a catastrophic injury and have to relearn his skills, and his Devil Trigger is outright lost to him (since he needed the Devil Bringer to use as a catalyst for the transformation). |
| 157 | * ''VideoGame/GodOfWar'': Somehow, Kratos will ''always'' find a way to lose all his goodies in-between games and have to earn them back. |
| 158 | ** At the beginning of ''II'', he has to give up all his powers to fight the Colossus of Rhodes, and then gets smote down to the Underworld after Zeus robs him of his power where he has to start from scratch. |
| 159 | ** ''[[VideoGame/GodOfWarIII 3]]'' gives Kratos another taste of power until he falls into Hades again and takes a dip in the River Styx. At that point you lose the maxed out Blades of Athena and its magic, as well as any experience points obtained at that point. However, you keep the Golden Fleece and the Wings of Icarus. |
| 160 | ** In ''[[VideoGame/GodOfWarChainsOfOlympus Chains of Olympus]]'', a prequel to the series, Kratos is robbed of his items by the gods at the end of the game. It is not shown if they took his magic, but regardless, he doesn't have it by the first game. |
| 161 | ** At the end of ''[[VideoGame/GodOfWarGhostofSparta Ghost of Sparta]]'' (set between the first and second games), Kratos willingly gives up the Arms of Sparta [[spoiler:and uses them as a WeaponTombstone for his brother Deimos.]] |
| 162 | ** In ''VideoGame/GodOfWarPS4'', the SoftReboot of the series, he's left most of his stuff back in Greece, most of his powers don't work in Midgard, and he's kind of out-of-practice due to having given up on violent revenge in order to try and put his past behind him. He doesn't even have his signature chain blades anymore, replacing it with his late second wife's Leviathan Axe capable of using frost magic. Though to compensate, he now has his second child, a son named Atreus to assist him in combat. [[spoiler:He actually still has the Blades of Chaos; he just really wishes he didn't since he sees them as emblematic of everything he regrets about himself. They're hidden under the floorboards of his home, since, as a novelization reveals, [[ClingyMacGuffin he can't destroy them or get rid of them permanently]].]] |
| 163 | ** In ''Videogame/GodOfWarRagnarok'', it's stated that [[EndlessWinter Fimbulwinter]] has caused most of the magical gear and upgrades obtained in the previous game to degrade, and that Kratos and Atreus keeping a low profile is why their stats are back at their base statistics. However, Kratos quickly retrieves the Blades of Chaos when the game actually opens up and he keeps most of the artifacts used to progress. The Huldra Brothers even lampshades this: |
| 164 | --->'''Sindri:''' What happened to all the armor we made you already?\ |
| 165 | '''Kratos:''' I used it.\ |
| 166 | '''Sindri:''' Well... maybe try to make this one last longer?\ |
| 167 | '''Kratos:''' [[BrutalHonesty I will not]]. |
| 168 | ** A random mid-travel conversation in ''Ragnarok'' addresses why Kratos doesn't have the powers of the Greek gods in the Norse saga. Kratos mentions that he's tried to use them, but they won't work. It's speculated in-universe that since magic is tied to the Earth, that because Greece died, so too did the magic of its realm. |
| 169 | * KOEI's ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors'' and ''VideoGame/SamuraiWarriors'' franchise (and the ''Warriors Orochi'' crossovers) have averted the trope in the form of unlockables for having save data for the preceding game. |
| 170 | * ''VideoGame/NoMoreHeroes2DesperateStruggle'' downplays the trope; Travis apparently ditched all of his gear except for his basic Beam Katana when he left the assassin life, but he starts with the skills the player could pick up by collecting Lovikov balls in the first game. Since this includes the mini-map, it's a very good thing. He can also get back the previous game's InfinityPlusOneSword as his first alternate beam katana, though it requires upgrades to bring it back to its former glory. Travis also still has Death Metal's mansion. He keeps his giant robot under the pool. No explanation is given as to why he still lives in a motel room, unless he spent all the money on that giant robot. |
| 171 | * In ''VideoGame/NoMoreHeroesIII'', Travis again loses all his katanas except for the basic one, all his clothes, and even [[spoiler: the Glatsonbury because its nuclear core decayed over the ten years between the last game and now]]. He does get to keep the Death Drive from ''VideoGame/TravisStrikesAgainNoMoreHeroes'', now modified to work in the real world. |
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| 174 | [[folder:Platform Game]] |
| 175 | * Averted for the most part in ''VideoGame/LostWinds''. At the beginning of the second game, Toku keeps all of his learned abilities; however, he loses his cape after tearing it off on a tree branch. He gets it back later, though. |
| 176 | * Averted in ''VideoGame/BanjoTooie'', where the main characters are able to use ''every'' power they acquired in the previous game, ''VideoGame/BanjoKazooie'', on top of all the new ones they learn over the course of ''this'' game (though they do lose a lot of HP and carrying capacity). The sole exceptions are the basic standing and running attacks. In ''Kazooie'', Banjo would perform these by himself, but in ''Tooie'', they were altered to incorporate Kazooie, seemingly for the sole purpose of making Banjo utterly defenseless once the pair finally learns how to split up, requiring a new move to be learned before he can attack by himself. Played straight in ''VideoGame/BanjoKazooieNutsAndBolts'', as Banjo and Kazooie lose their abilities due to years of being fat and lazy. Their lack of their abilities is often lampshaded. |
| 177 | * ''VideoGame/{{Blackthorne}}'' also does this, because of the limitations of its save system. It was developed for the SNES, it doesn't include a battery in the game cartridge, and its save passwords are only 4 characters long. |
| 178 | * At the start of ''VideoGame/Sly2BandOfThieves'', Bently begins to tell Sly how to do the ninja spire jump, and Sly chides him for assuming that he would forget one of his most important skills. True enough, Sly retains the spire jump and rail-walk techniques that he learned in [[VideoGame/SlyCooperAndTheThieviusRaccoonus the first game]] for the rest of the trilogy, but he still forgot a host of other skills from that game, such as the power to turn invisible, alter time, and how to not [[SuperDrowningSkills take damage from falling in water]]. It is in full effect for the jump between the second and [[VideoGame/Sly3HonorAmongThieves the third game]], especially with regards to equipment like the Paraglider or power ups like Silent Obliteration. Very annoying when you forget that you lose these... |
| 179 | * The ''VideoGame/RatchetAndClank'' series does this with weapons and devices, but upgrades to Clank (a robot) are retained from game to game. However, the loss of equipment is explainable to a degree: |
| 180 | ** The duo are teleported out of their living room in the opening cut scene of [[VideoGame/RatchetAndClankGoingCommando the second game]], in [[VideoGame/RatchetDeadlocked the fourth game]] they are captured by the BigBad in the opening, and in the first [=PS4=] game they are surprised by a sudden attack. [[VideoGame/RatchetAndClankUpYourArsenal The third game]] however gives no explanation, which is especially odd considering that they are intentionally going into a war zone. |
| 181 | ** The weapon purchases you made in each game did apparently entitle you to replacements at no or (in the case of ''[[VideoGame/RatchetAndClankFutureACrackInTime A Crack In Time]]'', reduced) cost since if you have [[OldSaveBonus a save from an older game on your profile]], finding a vendor who sells weapons from previous games gets you a handful that you'd bought in the previous game. |
| 182 | ** Clank losing some of his abilities is handwaved by explaining that some of his upgrades from the first game are illegal in Bogon. |
| 183 | ** In ''[[VideoGame/RatchetAndClankFutureQuestForBooty Quest for Booty]]'', you start with some of the best weapons from ''[[VideoGame/RatchetAndClankFutureToolsOfDestruction Tools Of Destruction]]'' [[ATasteOfPower for a brief battle at sea.]] At the end of that battle you're knocked out and wash ashore without your guns. They eventually wash ashore separately and are given to you by the [=NPC=]s who found them. |
| 184 | ** A notable case is with ''[[VideoGame/RatchetAndClankFullFrontalAssault Full Frontal Assault]]'', where Ratchet, Clank and Qwark start with zero bolts and no weapons at the start of every mission, inciting this trope ''multiple times''. The only aspects that carry over are weapons that are found in pods on the battlefield and turrets to defend the various lanes with (you unlock more to buy in later levels), as well as various unlockable perks like the Box Basher and faster Hoverboots. |
| 185 | ** Played straight for [[HitPoints Nanotech points]]. By the end of the game Ratchet will usually hit the cap for nanotech points, yet the next game has him always starting with a measly amount of them. |
| 186 | * ''Franchise/SpyroTheDragon'': |
| 187 | ** Notably averted in the original three Insomniac-made games: no abilities are gained in the first game, but those gained in the second carry over to the third. Showcased over and over, however, in the later games. |
| 188 | ** ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfSpyro'': The end of ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfSpyroANewBeginning A New Beginning]]'' sets up an explanation to justify its use in ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfSpyroTheEternalNight The Eternal Night]]''. During the final cutscene, Spyro mentions that the battle with Dark Cynder and subsequent escape drained his strength, and he lost most of his powers as a result. Perfectly reasonable when one remembers that Spyro is still a child (12-14 years old). Played straight for ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfSpyroDawnOfTheDragon Dawn of the Dragon]]'', where Spyro again loses access to the powers he developed over ''The Eternal Night'' without an explanation being provided. |
| 189 | * ''VideoGame/WonderboyIIITheDragonsTrap'': The first stage is a reenactment of the final stage of ''VideoGame/WonderBoyInMonsterLand'', complete with the Legendary equipment and extended life meter. Once you get turned into Lizardman, you lose it all, and must build back up to it. Near the end of the game, you revisit the castle ruins to retrieve the Legendary equipment. |
| 190 | * ''VideoGame/DrillDozer'' is about a girl in a mech with a drill on it. In each level, the player can acquire gears, which allow the drill to spin faster and harder. At the end of every level, the drill conveniently breaks down in such as fashion as to lose the two gears, leaving them with the default first. It's blamed on "wear and tear." [[spoiler:At the end of the game, ''all'' the gears get broken.]] |
| 191 | * Jak of ''VideoGame/JakAndDaxter'' always loses his equipment when things go wrong at the beginning of each game. Justified in several cases: his Power Cells are spent opening a portal to ''VideoGame/JakIIRenegade''; the Precursor Orbs were likely taken by the Krimson Guard; his gun and hoverboard are taken away when he's exiled to the Wasteland. Several other things are not, though: he loses multiple Dark Jak abilities at the start of ''VideoGame/Jak3Wastelander''[[note]]though this is understandable as the average player is unlikely to have bought all the abilities, and he does retain Dark Bomb and Dark Blast at least[[/note]]; you have to save up orbs to buy back the car he was driving at the start of ''VideoGame/JakXCombatRacing''; and he doesn't bring his armor or morph gun when he travels to the Brink in ''The Lost Frontier''. |
| 192 | * ''VideoGame/CaptainComic 2'': "...Armed only with his courage, he enters the teleport chamber..." |
| 193 | * The ''VideoGame/TyTheTasmanianTiger'' series is a particularly strange offender; you obtain various [[ImprobableWeaponUser boomerang sets]] with various ElementalPowers, and you always, ''always'' lose them between games--except for the Aquarangs, which only work underwater. They do, however, change ''appearance'', from rather distinctive finned boomerangs to... the exact same model as your starting boomerang. |
| 194 | * ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'': |
| 195 | ** ''VideoGame/{{Sonic 3|AndKnuckles}}'' picks up directly after ''[[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2 Sonic 2]]'' (with the canonical ending being that you got all the Chaos Emeralds in ''Sonic 2''). Hence, Sonic uses them in the opening cinematic to turn into Super Sonic, before Knuckles jumps up and startles him, losing the emeralds. Knuckles then picks them up, and presumably hides them all over the island, prompting the player to collect them again. |
| 196 | ** Averted between ''Sonic 3'' and ''Sonic & Knuckles'', courtesy of the lock-on cartridge of the latter. If you continue into ''Sonic & Knuckles'' from a ''Sonic the Hedgehog 3'' save file, you retain any and all emeralds that you've collected in that game. If you have all seven, however, you can choose to play this straight by giving them up at the first bonus stage... in favor of powering them all up one at a time to enter an even more powerful super mode. |
| 197 | ** Averted in ''VideoGame/SonicUnleashed'', in which Sonic holds onto the Chaos Emeralds through the entire game. It's just that the plot of the game is about recharging them. |
| 198 | ** Between ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure'' and ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2'', Sonic lost his Light Speed Shoes and Light Speed Attack. Knuckles lost his Shovel Claws. All of them are replaced in the second game -- however, there are also the missing Crystal Ring (Sonic), Jet Anklet, Rhythm Badge (Tails), and Fighting Gloves (Knuckles). Justified in Sonic's case as he was breaking in a fresh pair of SOAP Shoes at the time he was arrested and explicitly needed the Light Speed Shoes at least to perform the Light Speed Dash and Attack. He's able to largely restore his old abilities to better than new after finding Light Speed boosters for his new shoes and a new Ancient Light source on Prison Island. |
| 199 | ** Averted in ''VideoGame/SonicHeroes'' where Sonic is capable of performing the Light Speed Dash and can perform the Light Speed Attack as part of Team Sonic's Team Blast without needing Light Speed Shoes and Knuckles can break iron containers with his bare fists and perform the Homing Attack, removing his need for the Hammer Gloves and Fighting Gloves respectively. Shadow is similarly capable of doing the Light Speed Dash without his beefier Air Shoes. |
| 200 | %% ** The rings and shields also count, though a couple games in the series do let the player keep a shield after a level ends. |
| 201 | ** Done multiple times in ''VideoGame/SonicFrontiers''; after each boss fight as Super Sonic, Sonic gets shot down on the next island and loses the Chaos Emeralds, and must find them again. |
| 202 | * Done rather comedically in ''VideoGame/TheLegendaryStarfy'' series of games. In every game, Starfy has more or less the same moves, but still has to re-learn them each game. The canon explanation for this is that Starfy is so spacey and absentminded that he keeps on forgetting how to perform his own special techniques. Moe typically gets mad at him for this habit in the fifth game, at one point going "Sheesh, next this kid will forget how to swim!" |
| 203 | * Though it's the end of the series, depending on which ending you get to ''[[VideoGame/GargoylesQuest Demon's Crest]]'', Firebrand may either hide everything he's earned in the game or throw it haphazardly off a cliff, suddenly realizing he doesn't want it anymore. |
| 204 | * ''VideoGame/KidDracula'' for the Platform/GameBoy is the sequel to ''Boku Dracula-kun'' for the Platform/{{NES}}. In the first cutscene, the son of Dracula admits to Death that he already forgot the techniques he learned in the first game. |
| 205 | * ''VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountryReturns'': Donkey and Diddy, despite [[SuperNotDrowningSkills being able to swim endlessly underwater]] in all previous DKC games as well as in ''64'', are now unable to swim. They [[SuperDrowningSkills WILL die if they fall into the water]], as if it were a BottomlessPit. By the time ''VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountryTropicalFreeze'' rolled around, they apparently took some swimming classes, [[OxygenMeter but never got to the lesson about how to avoid drowning]]. |
| 206 | * Downplayed in the Flash game ''VideoGame/{{KOLM}} 2''. Robbie retains most of his movement abilities from the first game (dashing, triple jumping, swimming, crouching), but loses all of his defensive abilities (invulnerability to spikes, damage reduction). |
| 207 | * ''Franchise/MegaMan'': |
| 208 | ** ''VideoGame/MegaManClassic'': |
| 209 | *** Every single game after the first one - all 10 of them (to date, seeing that the latest one, ''Mega Man 11'', was released in October 2018). In each game, the player must [[PowerCopying acquire weapons]] from (usually) 8 adversary robots by traversing each one's stage and defeating him/[[VideoGame/MegaMan9 her]] in a [[BossBattle 1 vs. 1 combat]], thus accumulating a rather [[WalkingArsenal formidable arsenal]] to take on the final stages of [[EvilTowerOfOminousness Dr. Wily's castle]] - only to start the next game with nothing but the [[LittleUselessGun basic pea shooter]], and if the game designers at Capcom were so inclined, the [[VideoGameDashing Down+Jump slide move]] and/or the ability to [[ChargedAttack "charge"]] said pea shooter by holding down the Fire button for a few seconds to fire a [[WaveMotionGun bigger]], more powerful projectile. |
| 210 | *** Averted in the Wily Tower level of ''The Wily Wars''. While the first three games naturally play this straight, once you've beaten them all and unlocked Wily Tower, you can select any 8 of their 22 available weapons and 3 out of 7 items to equip for it. |
| 211 | *** {{Exaggerated|Trope}} in ''VideoGame/MegaMan9'': Granted, a world at peace would have no need of a chargeable buster, but that doesn't explain why old Rock's no longer able to ''slide'' as well. |
| 212 | *** Inverted in ''Videogame/MegaMan11'': Mega Man regains the slide and Charge Shot. An upgrade chip can even enlarge buster shots, similar to the giant shots from ''Videogame/MegaMan5''. |
| 213 | ** In ''VideoGame/MegaManUnlimited'', Mega Man will lose all of his weapons if [[FinalBoss Zero]] can drop the Blue Bomber's health to 0. Not even the Mega Buster is safe, which renders the Charge Shot useless! |
| 214 | ** It's implied in the ''VideoGame/MegaManX'' games that X voluntarily disposes of his new armor and weapons after every game, in order to avoid the temptation to abuse his newfound power... or maybe because he [[IJustWantToBeNormal simply doesn't like fighting in the first place, really]]. |
| 215 | ** ''VideoGame/MegaManX4'' - ''[[VideoGame/MegaManX8 X8]]'' play with this in so many ways. X starts ''[[VideoGame/MegaManX5 X5]]'' and ''[[VideoGame/MegaManX6 X6]]'' with the Fourth/Force Armour and Falcon Armour from their respective preceding games. The only problem is that the armors are severely weakened compared to their original versions, with the implication that X did trash them, but Alia went and salvaged them as best she could. Whereas in the first three games, X started with a 16 unit life meter, and built it up to 32. From X4 onward until X8 redesigned the meters, X ''started'' with a 32 unit meter, and could build up to 48 (X4), 64 (X5-6), and 80 ([[VideoGame/MegaManX7 X7]]). Also, X7 and [[VideoGame/MegaManX8 X8]] made the airdash and charging his X-buster an extra level available in base form. Respectively. Also, in regards to heart tanks, in X1, X is obviously significantly weaker than Zero. By the time we actually ''see'' Zero's life bar, X is only eight heart tanks away from being equal to it, and then it's just a case of them being equal. However, Zero has no such qualms, which doesn't explain why he forgets ''learned techniques'' (i.e. ''not'' weapons), such as his Ice Stab maneuver in X4. It's not like he dies in that particular chapter, unlike X5. Interestingly, in the X vs. Zero fight, they both pull out weapons from X4, giving the suggestion that they keep them for emergencies. |
| 216 | ** Had [[ExecutiveMeddling Capcom not stepped in,]] ''VideoGame/MegaManZero'' would have shown what [[HeWhoFightsMonsters would have happened]] [[KnightTemplar if X kept his weapons]]. Zero had a convenient case of amnesia over the 100 years of deep sleep, so he forgot everything when the series started, but eventually remembers old techniques with experience. |
| 217 | ** The trope is actually justified in ''Zero 2'' where Zero has his Buster, Saber, and Shield Boomerang damaged and his Triple Rod totaled due to fighting constantly against Neo Arcadian forces in the desert for over a year without any R&R. It even goes so far as to show the Pause menu looking rusty and a portrait of a damaged Zero. Which is awesome, by the way; especially since the pause menu changes to an entirely different format once Zero returns to the Base and gets fixed up (in the third and fourth games the menu changes right from the beginning). Zero also holds his arm while stationary throughout that entire level, which usually only happens when he's low on health. |
| 218 | ** Also, in ''Zero 3'' and ''Zero 4'', when Zero has been lounging at the Resistance Base in between games instead of fighting in the desert for a year, he keeps all of his weapon upgrades (the ones you get by simply using the weapons repeatedly), so you start the game with your weapons at full power. Zero still forgets all of his learned techniques, though, and likewise loses the three elemental chips after each game. |
| 219 | ** Justified in ''VideoGame/MegaManZX Advent'' when [[PreviousPlayerCharacterCameo Aile and Vent]] show up from ''ZX'' without the four Guardian Biometals (Models H, L, F, and P). They were ''stolen'' in the four-year TimeSkip between games, given to the new QuirkyMinibossSquad (by the time Grey/Ashe fight Aile/Vent they've already obtained the [[VoluntaryShapeshifting A-Trans data]] on those four new enemy Mega Men), and Aile/Vent have been trying hunting them down since in between destroying [[ArtifactOfDoom Model Ws]]. In fact, part of the reason Aile/Vent HoldTheLine against the four enemy Mega Men to let Grey/Ashe have their go at the BigBad is because they intend to take their friends back from the villains. |
| 220 | * Justified in ''VideoGame/PrinceOfPersiaWarriorWithin'', as the events of the [[VideoGame/PrinceOfPersiaTheSandsOfTime previous game]] were undone, and thus he technically never got any of the new gear. He also left the Dagger of Time with Farah, but kept the future version of her medallion, which is also a time artifact, allowing him to keep his time powers for the sequel. |
| 221 | ** At the beginning of ''VideoGame/PrinceOfPersiaTheTwoThrones'', as he is about to make port, the Prince throws the Medallion of Time overboard, thinking he doesn't need it anymore. Cue his ship being sunk by a catapult while the Water and Light Swords you worked so hard for in ''Warrior Within'' are below decks. Fortunately, he retains all of his melee combat abilities. He lampshades this by asking why he's without a proper blade every time disaster strikes as he's forced to take a knife as his main weapon until he gets the Dagger of Time back. |
| 222 | * Lampshaded in ''VideoGame/{{Trine}} 2''. |
| 223 | -->'''Amadeus:''' Whatever happened to that magic talisman that allowed us to breathe underwater?\ |
| 224 | '''Zoya:''' I... um. I think someone hocked it. |
| 225 | * Done in a truly head-desk-worthy manner in ''VideoGame/{{Tomba}} 2''. Not only has Tomba lost everything except his grandfather's amulet (which is useless anyway), he's ''forgotten how to swim!'' |
| 226 | * ''VideoGame/CrashBandicoot'' |
| 227 | ** Games starting with ''VideoGame/CrashBandicoot3Warped'' had a bad tendency of this; over the course of the game, Crash would get a variety of new moves from defeating bosses only for the next game to start him with his standard abilities only and the new ones having to be unlocked again, frequently in a similar order. Some games eventually wisened up on this: |
| 228 | ** ''VideoGame/CrashTwinsanity'', which although mostly starting on a clean slate gave Crash the ability to double jump (an unlockable move in earlier games) from the start; it's worth noting that this was the first platformer since ''Warped'' not to feature upgrades. |
| 229 | ** Averted completely in ''VideoGame/CrashMindOverMutant''; Crash begins the game with every move he had at the end of ''VideoGame/CrashOfTheTitans'', and only some effects to them that would be overpowered if you began the game with them (such as an infinite spin attack) have to be obtained again. |
| 230 | * ''VideoGame/DistortedTravesty'': In the third installment, all of Jerry's and Claire's abilities are stolen by the Virus, right down to their ability to move back and forth. Jeremy manages to undo that last part, but all other abilities have to be re-earned... including ''jumping''. |
| 231 | * In the ''VideoGame/{{Transmorpher}}'' series of Flash puzzle-platformers, you are a green blobby alien. The central game mechanic is transmorphing into a purple wheel-like alien who can climb walls, and a big orange alien who can smash things. In all three games you need to find and absorb these aliens before you can gain their powers. The intro to the second game shows the three of you getting separated by the baddie aliens, but in the third game it just happens somehow. |
| 232 | * In ''VideoGame/KaoTheKangaroo'', you do not get to keep the checkpoint flags between levels. |
| 233 | * ''VideoGame/{{Shantae}}'' has a case of EarlyInstallmentWeirdness in regards to the title heroine's genie magic, but the one thing that remains between [[VideoGame/Shantae2002 the first game]] and ''VideoGame/ShantaeRiskysRevenge'' -- her [[VoluntaryShapeshifting belly-dancing transformations]] -- is justified by Shantae having been slacking off in regards to her dance practice. From then on, the series goes out of its way to justify it: ''Risky's Revenge'' ends with [[spoiler:Shantae [[BroughtDownToNormal losing her genie half]] ''[[BroughtDownToNormal entirely]]'']], thus setting the stage for a powerless Shantae at the start of the next game. ''VideoGame/ShantaeAndThePiratesCurse'' then ends with [[spoiler:Shantae getting her genie magic ''back'', after an uncertain period of time without it (and thus having Shantae reasonably be a bit rusty)]] to set up ''VideoGame/ShantaeHalfGenieHero''. ''[[VideoGame/ShantaeAndTheSevenSirens Seven Sirens]]'' explains it as Shantae being on vacation. Her old transformations are mentioned as if she still has them, but she doesn't actually use them in favor of the new transformations she gets in the game. |
| 234 | * In the ''VideoGame/RobotWantsSeries'', the titular mechanized character loses most (if not all) of its upgrades and weapons between games, barring the jump ability (which it acquired in the first game). While the games do have a loose storyline between them, many of the upgrades that would be helpful across games (including the speed booster from ''Kitty'', the bombs[=/=]reflective shield from ''Fishy'' and the Double Jump) don't carry over, with the Double Jump in particular having to be reacquired in each game. It is fitting, as the series is a {{Metroidvania}} set of games. |
| 235 | * ''VideoGame/PortalRunner'': Vikki can hold nearly unlimited arrows, but they do not carry over from one level to the next. [[GameplayAndStorySegregation Even if she's depicted using them]] in a [[CutscenePowerToTheMax cutscene]]. |
| 236 | * In ''Videogame/Guacamelee2'', Juan's gotten out of shape in-between games to the point that he struggles to smash a barrel that he can previously break in a single hit. He eventually gets his physique back via his MaskOfPower but still needs to relearn his moves. |
| 237 | * Zig-zagged in ''Videogame/Psychonauts2'', where Raz is reintroduced to Telekinesis, Psi-Blasts, Levitation, Pyrokinesis and Clairvoyance during the tutorial but loses Shield, Confusion and Invisibility to make place for the new powers of the game. |
| 238 | * ''VideoGame/AzureStrikerGunvoltSeries'': |
| 239 | ** Played straight by Gunvolt in ''VideoGame/AzureStrikerGunvolt2'', who needs to re-learn all the old SP Skills he acquired in ''VideoGame/AzureStrikerGunvolt''. He does at least get some new SP Skills on top of them though. |
| 240 | ** Played with by [[TheRival Copen]] in his various appearances: |
| 241 | *** Copen starts ''VideoGame/AzureStrikerGunvolt2'' with none of the [[VariantPowerCopying Sumeragi Seven Swordsmen EX Weapons]] he obtained, [[spoiler:but as the TrueFinalBoss fight in Gunvolt's scenario, he suddenly busts them out for the first half of the fight for his LimitBreak and starts liberally using [[PowerNullifier Greed Snatcher]] for the second half.]] Out of universe, it's so the new EX Weapons get a chance to shine, while in-universe it's because [[spoiler:Copen felt like he let the power of using the Swordsmen, especially Carrera, make him arrogant and led to his embarassing off-screen defeat by [[HiddenVillain Asimov]] and so chose to only rely on them if necessary.]] |
| 242 | *** {{Justified|Trope}} in ''VideoGame/LuminousAvengerIX'' [[spoiler:as it's set 100 years after the Bad Ending of the first ''[=ASG=]'']] with plenty of time for Copen to make changes to his arsenal. ''VideoGame/LuminousAvengerIX2'' goes the extra mile in why he doesn't use most of the ''[=iX=]'' arsenal and even his major gameplay changes by the fact that he gave Lola a software upgrade that rendered most of the EX Weapons incompatible (save Anchor Nexus and Darkness Trigger, which acts solely as Lola's SuperMode for their CombinationAttack) and he had uninstalled some of his armor upgrades during peacetime which he can't replicate [[TrappedInAnotherWorld under his present circumstances]], forcing him to make do with what upgrades he ''could'' make switching up his usual play style. |
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| 244 | |
| 245 | [[folder:Puzzle Game]] |
| 246 | * In ''VideoGame/{{Gruntz}}'', you do not keep any of the wonderful things you get from one level to the next. You don't even keep the same gruntz! |
| 247 | * ''VideoGame/{{Portal}}'': |
| 248 | ** We see that in the ending of ''VideoGame/Portal1'', [[spoiler:Chell blows [=GLaDOS=] up and ends up outside the facility and her Portal Gun was probably lost]]. In the beginning of ''VideoGame/Portal2'', you have to get the Single Portal Gun again, guided by Wheatley. But, when you get captured by [=GLaDOS=], you lose it. Good thing you get the Dual-Portal Gun almost immediately. Chell does lose her other important item, the "Advanced knee replacement" (leg springs) sometime between games (the comics say that they fall off as she's [[spoiler:dragged back into the facility]] in the cutscene at the end of the first game), which ''seems'' like this trope, but she also acquires a replacement that is identical in terms of functionality (the long fall boots) sometime before going into stasis between games. The change is cosmetic only. |
| 249 | ** A very small-scale version happens at the end of most levels in both games, in which Chell passes through a "material emancipation grill" that evaporates any other items she happens to be carrying (aside from the gun, clothes and springs/boots) and also removes any portals that currently exist. This is the in-game explanation for why Chell enters each level with no cubes or any other item and no active portals, and why it is impossible to portal between levels, but the same field is also used within levels as part of puzzles, where it also functions like this trope on an even smaller scale. |
| 250 | * ''VideoGame/SpellingJungle'': Wali doesn't get to keep any extra items between levels. |
| 251 | [[/folder]] |
| 252 | |
| 253 | [[folder:Racing]] |
| 254 | * In a rare cross-medium example, ''VideoGame/{{Cars}}'' has Lightning needing to learn how to powerslide and backwards drive, despite already known how to do those things in the [[WesternAnimation/Cars1 movie]]. {{Justified|Trope}} as Mack mentions Lightning's been out of shape for some time before the new racing season. |
| 255 | * ''VideoGame/CarsMaterNationalChampionship'': Although Lightning retains most of the skills he learned in the first game such as powersliding, backwards driving and boosting, he only starts off with one boost tank and has to regain the other two at various points in the game. |
| 256 | * In ''VideoGame/NeedForSpeedUnderground'' when you have won the final race, the player has the most powerful racing car in the entire city, plus all the custom accessories. In the opening cinematic of ''VideoGame/NeedForSpeedUnderground 2'' your car is destroyed and the insurance payout is only enough money to buy a completely stock car as the replacement. |
| 257 | * In ''VideoGame/NeedForSpeedMostWanted'', after winning the final race and escaping the police, the player is reunited with the BMW M3 GTR, the car that got sabotaged at the start of the game and stolen by Razor, who used the car to become #1 on the Blacklist. Then comes the following game, ''Need for Speed: Carbon'', which takes place directly after ''Most Wanted'', and the player's car gets totaled after a failed attempt to escape Cross, forcing them to get another stock car as a replacement. |
| 258 | [[/folder]] |
| 259 | |
| 260 | [[folder:Real Time Strategy]] |
| 261 | * The genre as a whole tends to follow this trope; no matter how big or badass your army gets by the end of the mission, in the next one you will not be allowed to bring them with you, having to start all over with a paltry few soldiers and basic buildings. The ones that have scaling weapons and armor upgrades tend to reset those at the beginning of every level as well, forcing you to spend time and money researching them again. |
| 262 | * ''VideoGame/SupremeCommander'' and its expansion, Forged Alliance, plays this trope straight during the campaign. No matter what upgrades your commander unit has, the next mission will return it to tier 1 and no upgrades. |
| 263 | * Averted in spectacular fashion by Paradox Interactive's series of historical simulators. You can play ''VideoGame/CrusaderKings'' from 1066 to 1453, then export the save file from that into ''VideoGame/EuropaUniversalis III'' and start with the world map and conditions as they were when you left them, and play up to 1820. ''Then'' you can repeat the process with ''[[VideoGame/VictoriaAnEmpireUnderTheSun Victoria]]'' and play up to 1920. If you have the expansion pack it goes to 1936 and ''then'' lets you export its save file in turn into ''VideoGame/HeartsOfIron II'' which runs up to 1964. In all you have nearly 900 years of in-game continuity. This is possible because all four games run on a very similar engine. |
| 264 | * ''VideoGame/WarCraft II'' introduced naval combat, complete with ''offshore platforms'' for extracting oil, a resource necessary for constructing fleets. ''Warcraft III'' effectively removed this element, having ships only in cut scenes, custom maps and certain campaign levels, with them not constructive in standard skirmish games. |
| 265 | * ''Warcraft III'' mostly averts this with hero levels. |
| 266 | ** In the ExpansionPack, every hero who appeared before is level ten. Arthas actually spends most of his expansion pack campaign going down from level ten all the way to level two before being allowed to level back up. The only direct use is Thrall, who was allowed to level to three in the training campaign but starts at level one in the full orc campaign. Arthas goes from a level 10 paladin to a level 1 death knight after the human campaign. And his SwordOfPlotAdvancement loses the ability to do chaos damage. |
| 267 | ** In addition to hero levels, ''Warcraft III'' also averts this trope with items. Pick up a cloak of + 3 intellect on your hero in one mission and it will be on your character at the start of the next mission. In fact, the game averts the trope even when it might make sense: lose access to a hero for storyline reasons in one mission and his or her items will be waiting for you at your start location in the next mission. Again, an exception is made for Arthas when he goes from a level 10 human paladin to a level 1 undead death knight, and there was probably an exception for characters between the basic ''Warcraft III'' campaign and the expansion campaigns too. |
| 268 | ** ''Warcraft III'' has an example in the Undead campaign of the Frozen Throne expansion pack. At the first mission you start off with [[ATasteOfPower fully powered]] Level 10 Arthas Death Knight. However, during the course of the campaign Arthas gradually loses power (thus levels) as the Lich King's Frozen Throne acquired a fracture due to Illidan's operations. |
| 269 | * ''VideoGame/CompanyOfHeroes'' downplays this. On an individual unit level, the player can build certain veteran units of the same rank as a unit which gained veterancy in a previous mission. Additionally, for certain missions, if the next mission directly follows the preceding mission (e.g. capture a town in one mission, defend it the next) the ending units from the first mission will be the starting units for the second. Battlefield conditions (locations of defensive structures, destroyed buildings, etc.) are also reproduced for subsequent missions on the same map. |
| 270 | * While Raynor's Raiders never had high-end stuff like Battlecruisers other than the Hyperion (GameplayAndStorySegregation notwithstanding), some missions and cutscenes in vanilla ''Videogame/{{Starcraft}}'' and ''Brood War'' showed they were able to produce mid-tier units like Goliaths or Wraiths. Come ''VideoGame/StarcraftIIWingsOfLiberty'' though, the only units you can produce at the beginning are Marines and Medics, and you need to do missions in order to unlock everything else, either by having Swann obtain new schematics through his contacts (such as the Marauder or the Siege Tank), an ally giving you a new unit as a gift (such as Tosh giving you Reapers or Mira Han giving you Vulture Bikes), or in some special cases by finding and reverse-engineering lost prototypes (You find Diamondbacks on an abandoned Confederate base) |
| 271 | * Kerrigan's deinfestation in ''VideoGame/StarcraftIIWingsOfLiberty'' seems to have the same intent, while the first Starcraft didn't have RPG elements and she wasn't playable in ''Wings'' she starts out ''[[VideoGame/StarcraftIIHeartOfTheSwarm Heart of the Swarm]]'' substantially less powerful than she was in the previous games. |
| 272 | * On a different note, the protoss start ''[[VideoGame/StarCraftIILegacyOfTheVoid Legacy of the Void]]'' with all sorts of high-tech unit, only to be reduced to Zealots and Stalkers the next mission. [[spoiler:This is justified, as Amon seizes control of the Khala soon after, taking the Golden Armada with him to wreak havoc across Koprulu, forcing the Nerazim to liberate their Daelaam brothers and rebuild their armies from the ground up. The time it takes to get high tech units back can be attributed to it taking that long to get the ''Spear of Adun'''s forges capable of making the various vehicles/ships, and/or training the army in stasis on how to use them (After all, they would have been put into stasis before some of those were created). The High Templar meanwhile, are explicitly said to have needed serious therapy before they could head into the field again.]] |
| 273 | * Zig-zagged in ''VideoGame/TheBattleForMiddleEarth'' games: |
| 274 | ** In both games, hero units keep their experience from mission to mission, as the player retains his general powers. Upgrades have to be researched in each mission. |
| 275 | ** In the ''BFME'' campaigns, the player keeps his units with their level, and their upgrades, but must research those upgrade first to apply them to units he just created. |
| 276 | ** In the ''BFMEII'' campaigns, the player keeps his heroes but not his army. |
| 277 | ** In the ''BFMEII'' "War of the Ring" mode, the player keeps the army he created during the turned-based mode, but not the troops created during the real-time battles. Averted in the expansion, your armies that you build in real-time mode are now persistent. |
| 278 | * ''VideoGame/DawnOfWar 2'': In between the vanilla and the first expansion, [[spoiler:the strike cruiser holding most of your wargear performs a HeroicSacrifice]], accounting for the loss of your gear, though fortunately your characters keep their levels and whatever gear you had on you during the final mission (if you have an OldSaveBonus, that is). Played straight in the second expansion, where you need to relearn all your skills (somewhat justified in that an all-new skill system which no longer depends on storing items is used, not justified in that two characters apparently spent the last decade forgetting their skills). |
| 279 | * In ''VideoGame/{{Colobot}}'', no matter what bots you bring with yourself into the ship as you take off, the next mission will likely not have them. |
| 280 | * In ''VideoGame/MechCommander'' it doesn't matter how many mechs or weapons you salvaged, nor the stats of your pilots at the end of the campaign; in the expansion Desperate Measure everything is reset without carrying over the stats of the same mechwarriors or the equipment. |
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| 284 | * In ''VideoGame/{{Beatmania}} IIDX'' games that run on the [=eAMUSEMENT=] Network, your records do not carry over from one game to the next, despite the fact that each installment is simply a MissionPackSequel that, at most, only adds new gameplay features instead of modifying or removing them. You also lose your Dan'inintei [[KyuAndDanRanks ranks]] and have to earn them again, although this is justified in that Dan'inintei courses change songs with each new version. |
| 285 | * Both ''VideoGame/{{Patapon}}'' sequels fall under this trope. In ''Patapon 2'' the player's army is obliterated by a sea monster at sea. Hatapon and a few others wash up on the shores of Tochiri beach and forced to fend for themselves. [[OldSaveBonus If the player linked their]] ''[[OldSaveBonus Patapon 1]]'' [[OldSaveBonus Data]], then the equipment that they had previously will rarely wash up on shore from time to time. For ''Patapon 3'' the player's army is [[TakenForGranite turned to stone]] after they unleash the 7 Archfiends from the Vessel. Hatapon, Ton, Chin, Kan, and the Hero are the only survivors. There's no transfering all equipment from the previous game, so the army has to start from scratch. |
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| 289 | * In ''VideoGame/IzunaLegendOfTheUnemployedNinja'', Izuna loses all levels in the 2nd game, without any explanation... and also for some reason, the ''gods'' you are able to control also start at level 1. |
| 290 | * ''{{VideoGame/Sipho}}'': Starting a [[NewGamePlus new epoch]] reduces your zooid to only a small amount of parts similar to the start of the game. The main difference is that you keep any adapted zooids and mutations. |
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| 294 | * The ''VideoGame/DotHackGU'' carries over its lead character from the ''.hack//Roots'' anime, and devises a plot reason for having him return to level one. Ironically, it's then averted since your characters carry over all of their abilities, stats, and gear from Volume 1 into subsequent games. |
| 295 | * The original 4 ''[[VideoGame/DotHackGUGames .hack]]'' games: ''.hack//Infection'', ''.hack//Mutation'', ''.hack//Outbreak'', and ''.hack//Quarantine'', are notable in that they allow you to bring your save data from one game to the next. |
| 296 | * ''VideoGame/AtelierSeries'': |
| 297 | ** ''VideoGame/AtelierRyza2LostLegendsAndTheSecretFairy'' is the first game in the series to have the same main character as its predecessor. However, she starts off at level 5 with basic equipment and having forgotten all of her alchemy recipes. The explanation given is that she lost her previous staff (which is why she has a weaker one) and isn't used to her new alchemy cauldron (to explain her having to re-learn alchemy), but it's kind of a stretch how that makes her go from a seasoned alchemist and fighter to a complete beginner. |
| 298 | ** ''VideoGame/AtelierSophie2TheAlchemistOfTheMysteriousDream'' notably averts this completely with regards to Sophie's level, as she starts off with an Adventurer level of 20 and an Alchemy level of 50, the {{Cap}} in ''VideoGame/AtelierSophieTheAlchemistOfTheMysteriousBook''. Losing her items is justified, as Sophie is TrappedInAnotherWorld and lost her gear in the process. |
| 299 | * The ''Franchise/BaldursGate'' franchise dealt with this by having the PC kidnapped by an evil wizard prior to the start of the second game, and naturally stripped of all equipment. |
| 300 | ** One could retrieve some of the contents of one's inventory in the first chamber one comes upon when escaping his dungeon lair -- notably the Golden Pantaloons, necessary to forge the Big Metal Unit in the final expansion pack. Note that while equipment was lost, power was not, with characters leveling up to the point where two games, two expansion packs and over 8 million XP later, the PC goes from a level 1 weakling barely capable of defeating a rat to a level 40 demigod. There ''was'' some carryover; if you had the scimitars of Drizzt, he'd be royally pissed at you. |
| 301 | ** It was also claimed by the loading screens in ''VideoGame/BaldursGateII'' that you would be able to import your characters into ''VideoGame/NeverwinterNights''. This turned out to be completely impossible due to differences like running on 3.0 ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' instead of Advanced, and in any case would have required a truly epic Bag of Spilling to cope with unleashing a 40th level demigod onto the Weak Goblins you start fighting. |
| 302 | ** In ''VideoGame/BaldursGateSiegeOfDragonspear'' this is deliciously averted for quality of life: if during the final battle of Baldur's Gate there was anything on the ground, including items from a dead party member, you will find all in the initial room of the new adventure (dead companions resurrected as well). All characters that leave the party because plot reasons will also give you their equipment as well. |
| 303 | ** ''VideoGame/BaldursGateIII'' does a similar version of this but with XP as well as equipment, as the game explains that [[spoiler: the reason your party - some of whom are powerful adventurers or the Chosen of deities - are all reduced to level 1 is because the plot-driving tadpole you've been implanted with is severely inhibiting your abilities.]] |
| 304 | * In ''VideoGame/BillyVsSnakeman'', looping to a new season will remove some quest items from your inventory, as well as certain other things (there's really no clear guideline for it), but most of your inventory will be untouched. Instead you'll be losing almost all of your ''allies'' and most quests are reset. Since looping is essentially rewinding time, this makes sense - they haven't met you yet. |
| 305 | * Downplayed in ''[[Franchise/DragonBall Buu's Fury]]''. You start off at an even higher level than when the previous game ended. However, your stats at lowered to about half of what they were in the previous game. |
| 306 | * ''VideoGame/ElohimEternalTheBabelCode'': Downplayed between the prologue and the main game. Joshua will end the prologue at level 4 if the player fights every enemy, which is the same level he starts at in the main game. However, Joshwa won't keep any of the items he finds in the prologue. He also has to relearn the Wild Waste skill. |
| 307 | * ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfHeroesTrailsOfColdSteel'': |
| 308 | ** Between ''Cold Steel I'' and ''Cold Steel II'', Rean Schwarzer, the protagonist, loses at least 30 levels from the previous game. This is justified by him being in a coma for an entire month up at the mountains and any damage incurred to his [[HumongousMecha Divine Knight]] gets transferred to him. In fact, one of his victory quotes when he's all alone at the Eisengard Range is that he needs to come back in form. This however doesn't explain why his classmates almost have the same levels as he has when they join up with him again despite them being ''very active'' for quite awhile, nor does it explain where their Quartz, Master Quartz and items they had in the previous game went. It's averted for Crafts though, as everyone still retains all the Crafts they learned in the previous game; instead of having to re-learn them, they learn stronger versions of their old Crafts, as well as some new Crafts. |
| 309 | ** In the third game, for once, there is no carryover, as the game engine is totally different so Rean is de-leveled. On the other hand, it's implied that he's simply holding back for most of the early game to not make it too easy on the students he's teaching, and "leveling up" is simply trying harder; as it is he starts 7 levels higher than his students. At one point he abruptly re-learns the "Gale" Craft when needed for a boss, the implication being that he could always still use it and just chose to now. The rest of Class 7 rejoins at the level average for their point in the story but they retain most of their Crafts from ''2'', only losing their most basic ones and having their S Crafts replaced with a stronger single one, the implication being they've just gotten so much stronger the older Crafts aren't worth using anymore. As for Quartz, the Arcuses have been upgraded to Arcus-2s so the originals are outdated and no longer in use. Averted with Valimar who still has all his Crafts and still retains the sword Rean spent much of the second half of the previous game making. |
| 310 | ** The fourth game has Juna, Kurt, and Altina losing at least 30-40 levels at the start of the game as [[spoiler:they have been asleep for two weeks. They regain their levels in an in-game week's worth of training and start their journey at level 50. However, they lose all of their Quartz and Master Quartz and must reacquire them. Averted with Rean in terms of levels as he starts out at level 90 compared to his peers who are hovering between 82-87 despite the fact that he's been chained to a wall for a month, his Arcus-2 has been improved, and while he doesn't have any game-breaking Quartz equipped, he has a mid-tier starting Quartz setup.]] |
| 311 | * [[ZigZaggingTrope Zig-zagged]] in ''VideoGame/{{Deltarune}}''. If one starts a chapter [[OldSaveBonus using data from a completed save file of the previous chapter]], the items, equipment, and money from the previous chapter will be carried over. Otherwise, the party will start the chapter with no money or item, only their starting weapon and some basic armor. |
| 312 | * In ''Videogame/DeusExMankindDivided'', after the prologue in which Adam [[ATasteOfPower starts off with some of the upgrades from the previous game]], he gets caught in an explosion in Prague that disables said upgrades. However, an early sidequest gives him nine Praxis Points, meaning that he can pick them back up fairly quickly. |
| 313 | * The ''Franchise/DragonAge'' series generally averts this between sequels in regards to {{Player Character}}s, since every new game has a different protagonist. There are exceptions, however: |
| 314 | ** When importing your Warden from the main ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' to the ''[[VideoGame/DragonAgeOriginsAwakening Awakening]]'' ExpansionPack or a {{DLC}} campaign, you will lose all items not currently equipped on the Warden and not in the common inventory. That includes all the uber-gear your Companions wore for the FinalBattle and the contents of your personal storage on Soldier's Peak. You also lose all items from other DLC (except ''Return to Ostagar''), particularly the InfinityPlusOneSword Starfang, even if they ''are'' equipped on your PlayerCharacter, but this is more of a bug than intentional application of this trope. Note that the replacements you get if the game takes away DLC gear are high-level Grey Warden officer's items that are very powerful indeed, so unless your equipped gear was something absolutely insane like [[InfinityPlusOneSword Starfang]] and the [[GameBreaker Bulwark of the True King]], you won't be losing much. Fortunately, your experience points and talent/skill upgrades remain unchanged. |
| 315 | ** This trope is largely in effect in regards to the PC's companions, however. For instance, Anders, who may have been a level 35 god of magic in ''Awakening'', returns in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' as a single-digit level slum doctor. Varric, who fought alongside Hawke in the many Battles of Kirkwall in ''[=DA2=]'', comes back in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'' at level 1. Cassandra, who soloed high dragons in ''Anime/DawnOfTheSeeker'', also starts off at level 1 in ''Inquisition'' with no explanation (although she later implies that "soloing high dragons" was an [[ShroudedInMyth in-universe exaggeration of what really occurred]]). The only cases where this is explicitly justified is [[spoiler:Solas, a.k.a. the Dread Wolf Fen'Harel, who lost almost all of his power during his millennia-long slumber and has to start over as a lowly hedge mage.]] |
| 316 | * Notable exception: The ''Advanced TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' licensed games published by SSI during the 80's and early 90's were arranged into series of 2-4 games, and almost as a rule allowed the player to import characters from earlier games in the same series, keeping all of the experience and most of the gear. Often doing this allowed the player to get a more powerful party than starting fresh, most notoriously in the ''VideoGame/EyeOfTheBeholder'' series, where importing would give you better loot at the ''beginning'' of the game than starting fresh let you have by the ''end'' of it. |
| 317 | * ''VideoGame/EtrianOdysseyIIHeroesOfLagaard'': If you choose to start a new file [[OldSaveBonus based on]] a completed ''VideoGame/EtrianOdysseyI'' save (the completion of which generates a password in the DS version and makes your save file interactable for this game in the ''HD'' ports), then while your guild are recognized as experienced adventurers and get to enjoy some exclusive rewards and field events, you can't recreate your endgame party. You can manually remake those characters with the same names, looks, and classes, but these supposed veterans have to start all over at level 1 with only Daggers and Tweeds equipped and three skill points just like any proper fresh faces you make. |
| 318 | * ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'': |
| 319 | ** While they are not exactly sequels, the DLC expansions to VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}} ''Operation: Anchorage'', ''The Pitt'' and ''Mothership Zeta'' make sure to separate you from anything cool you might have found up to that point. This is averted in the other two expansions, ''Broken Steel'' and ''Point Lookout'', the former being an extension of the main plotline and the latter letting you carry whatever you want in, you just can't leave until a significant amount of the plot is done. |
| 320 | ** Similarly, in ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'', the player loses their equipment in the Dead Money DLC due to the Sierra Madre security somehow confiscating all outside material and Honest Hearts limits the stuff players can bring based on a weight limit (though it can be increased if certain skill checks are passed). However, you're free to bring everything you have to Old World Blues and Lonesome Road, with the former starting off with a message stating that [[LampshadeHanging you have a "mysterious premonition" that you CAN bring all of your stuff this time around,]] and the latter justifies by the Divide being close enough to the Mojave that it doesn't matter how many things you have. |
| 321 | * ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIVTheAfterYears'': |
| 322 | ** Yes, you do start the game with the minimally trained Prince Ceodore, but his parents and everyone else that saved the world seemed to have lost all the gear and levels/spells they had. While you ''could'' say they've basically retired from monster-slaying, we've got Kain, who supposedly spent all his years [[spoiler:holed up in a mountain filled with undead]]. He ''really'' has no excuse. No, not even when [[spoiler:his really angry side kicks his ass and goes amok]]. At least Rydia's explanation is there: [[spoiler:some chick froze/stole away the Eidolons, so Rydia can't summon any of them]]. Averted with [[spoiler:Golbez]], who has all the spells he had in ''Final Fantasy IV'' from the get-go (Osmose, Drain, Firaga, etc), despite the fact he [[spoiler:spent the seventeen years between games ''sleeping''!]] |
| 323 | ** The Interlude special chapter on the PSP version, taking place about a year after the first game is a little better, starting your party off with a more respectable level 30ish and midgame tier equipment. However not only do you still not have your endgame weapons and equipment, but thanks the chapters brief nature and lineraity, being unable to freely explore the world, you can't get them back at all (the best weapon for Cecil you can get for example is the randomly dropped Stoneblade. And if you don't feel like grinding for it you'll have to use the store bought Flame Saber). Averted with [[spoiler:the real Rydia]] who shows up with all spells kept and using a Stardust Rod, an endgame weapon from the previous game. But she doesn't appear until the final battle of Interlude. |
| 324 | * This is mostly played straight going from ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIIRemake'' to ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIIRebirth''. Most of the party's abilities and items don't carry over, but players who have played ''Remake'' get an OldSaveBonus in the form of extra items to start with. However, it's averted in a couple of small ways; everyone has two abilities to start out with instead of just one, they all retain their Level 2 Limit Breaks but must now unlock them mid-battle using certain synergy moves, they have a few more Materia to start with than in ''Remake'' (including the Assess Materia), and they retain all Summon Materia (even Ramuh, if you also played ''Intermission'' and completed Yuffie's story). Some of the characters also have aspects of their gameplay from ''Remake'' integrated into their base moveset in ''Rebirth''; Cloud can fire {{Sword Beam}}s as a normal attack (which he could do in the motorcycle minigames in ''Remake'' but not in battle) and his old Parry dodge is now his regular dodge, Tifa has the now-absent Parry and Deadly Dodge Materia's effects as a natural part of her Dodge, and Aerith's Tempest and Fleeting Familiar are part of her attack strings. And as an additional OldSaveBonus, upon completing the sidequest to help Johnny fix up his inn, any weapons the player mastered in ''Remake'' are put on display around the place. |
| 325 | * ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX2''. Yuna and Rikku start the second game as if none of the LevelGrinding of the other game had occurred, having changed careers. While this might make some sense for Yuna, who starts off as a completely different class than she was in the previous game (though it doesn't explain where all her White Magic went), this makes no plot line sense at all for Rikku. Of course, Rikku was a combination Thief/Chemist in ''X'', while in ''X-2'' her starting class is a Thief. |
| 326 | ** In Rikku's case while she's still a "thief" her entire combat style has changed, going from using Al Bhed technology power fists and attack items, to using a traditional twin daggers (and in fact is using a dressphere which is magic based, as opposed to solid technology like she used to.) The only similar thing is her ability to steal, which she keeps anyway. |
| 327 | ** There is some justification: Yuna and Rikku have to learn entirely new fighting techniques because of the Dressphere mechanic, but many of the random encounters at the beginning of the game are ''endgame monsters'' from the previous game, such as Iron Giants. |
| 328 | * ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIIRevenantWings'' has the same thing. There are a few implications that it's more the SortingAlgorithmOfEvil making you look weak rather than power loss, but it's hard to tell. |
| 329 | * ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII2'' averts this, as the main party members weren't playable in the original. And for the moments Lightning is playable, she's using entirely new, and likely more powerful, equipment. The DLC {{mon}}s of Lightning (x2), Sazh and Snow use either their default equipment, or entirely new equipment. They have to be leveled up when in your party, but both Lightnings and Snow are shown to be at least as powerful as they were in the previous game. |
| 330 | * ''VideoGame/LightningReturnsFinalFantasyXIII'' simultaneously averts this in a different way to the prior game and runs with this trope. While you don't keep the skills from the prior two games, this is justified with Lightning being the only player character and getting [[spoiler:blessed by the god of this world as well as being in cryosleep for 500 years]]. Thus while you start at the bottom of your power, you are also far stronger than the prior games. Also, in a NewGamePlus you keep your existing gear and attacks, as well as weapons and armor, which further empower your character. In addition, in the opening cinematic your sword is shattered by Lumina, and starts out with a base power of 130. Come the endgame, you get the chance to fix it, where you are shown it originally had 2500 power! |
| 331 | * All characters in ''VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasyOperaOmnia'' start at level 1. While some are pulled in at an early point in their game's storyline, some recall events up until the Main Theme starts playing over the credits. Mog explains this as a side-effect of passage from their worlds through the Torsion. (It still doesn't explain why characters who only join after the party fights them--inevitably using both command abilities--shed all their levels and the second ability once they switch sides.) |
| 332 | * ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV'' justifies this with the jump between the original and its reboot of ''A Realm Reborn'' as Louisoux launches the Warrior of Light five years into the future before Primal Bahamut wrecks everything, but it causes you to lose your memory of everything. This really only count for players who came from the original, though. |
| 333 | * In the ''VideoGame/GoldenSun'' series: |
| 334 | ** A lengthy password given to you at the end of ''VideoGame/GoldenSun1'' allows you to carry your weapons, armor, etc. to ''VideoGame/GoldenSunTheLostAge'' when you get your original party back, averting the trope. Doing so is required to get into the BonusDungeon and get the final two summons. Alternately, if you have another Platform/GameBoyAdvance (or a Gamecube with a Game Boy Player) and a link cable, you can transfer the data over without resorting to the lengthy passwords. If you don't take advantage of either of these functions, the trope is downplayed; Isaac and his companions rejoin you slightly underleveled, with poor equipment and 20 out of 28 [[GottaCatchEmAll Djinn]] found. |
| 335 | ** ''VideoGame/GoldenSunDarkDawn'' averts the trope with Isaac and Garet. When they join your party for a while, they still retain their high stats and Djinn from their last adventure and even let you borrow some of their Djinn to use! |
| 336 | * ''VideoGame/{{Gothic}} 2'' features a ''heavily'' [[JustifiedTrope justified example]] of this. After defeating the BigBad of the last game, the hero is caught in a massive cave-in and left for dead for days before his mentor can teleport him to safety. His equipment was ruined, and being on the verge of death for so long atrophied his mind and body, causing him to lose his strength and forget his former skills. |
| 337 | ** ''Gothic 2'' also featured alternate dialog that would allow a player to respond to characters from the previous game, either as familiar friends, or with a kind of apparent amnesia. |
| 338 | ** ''Gothic 3'' follows a similar trend, having the player embark into adventure on the open sea with several other characters. After making landfall and discovering most of the population has been enslaved by orcs, a battle breaks out between the slave driving orcs and the rebelling slave population. Upon saving the town, the hero quickly discovers that pirates raided his ship during the battle and made off with all his spoils. To make matters worse, his time at sea has rusted his skills to nothingness, allowing you the joy of raising them back up. |
| 339 | * ''VideoGame/InazumaEleven'' trilogy play with this. in each sequel, every character's levels are reduced to one, but they do have better base stats than in the previous game's level one. Major characters' skill losses are based on if they will require new skills in that game or not, since they only have four fixed ability slots out of six avaliable in each game. Thus they can't retain everything. |
| 340 | * ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'': Every new game in the series gives legitimate excuses for the main characters losing all their abilities time and time again: |
| 341 | ** In ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsChainOfMemories'', Sora and his friends literally forget every ability they ever knew as soon as they set foot in Castle Oblivion due to Naminé's memory manipulation. Sora develops a new fighting style while being forced to play by the castle's rules, only to lose ''those'' after Naminé fixes their memories by putting them to sleep for a whole year. |
| 342 | ** By the time they wake up in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'', they keep only a few of their old abilities from the original game. Sora develops a brand new fighting style all over again. |
| 343 | ** At the start of ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance'', Yen Sid advises Sora and Riku to throw away their self-taught fighting styles and teach them the "right" way to wield a Keyblade from square one. The game ends with Sora being sent into a coma that nearly destroys his heart, pre-emptively spilling the bag. This time is lampshaded, with Sora not being particularly worried over the spillage because it "happens all the time". |
| 344 | ** ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsIII'' has a loading screen that lampshades how while Sora has the above excuse for his spilt bag, Donald and Goofy are suddenly much weaker as well for no particular reason. It also downplays the spillage somewhat compared to previous examples: Sora has immediate access to many of his signature attacks like Sonic Blade, Ragnarok, and Ars Arcanum, and keeps all of his new Flowmotion abilities from ''Dream Drop Distance'', while Donald and Goofy start with a full arsenal of spells and attacks. The other playable protagonist of ''Dream Drop Distance'', Riku, averts this trope entirely and consequently serves as a TasteOfPower during an early boss battle where you play as him. The end of ''III'' pre-spills the bag ''again'', this time with Sora being erased from existence as a consequence of tampering with time to win the final battle, setting him up to be back at level 1 in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsIV''. |
| 345 | ** ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsIII'' is an interesting example because while Sora loses stats and some abilities, he's clearly far stronger in general than he started out as. The first world that Sora visits, Olympus, ends with Sora and friends fighting and beating all of the Titans, gods of that world, by themselves. Prior in Kingdom Hearts 1 just one of said Titans were bonus bosses and thus very difficult to defeat, but as they're first world enemies this time they suffer from VillainForgotToLevelGrind and thus are relatively easy to defeat with the ability that Sora and company have obtained since then. |
| 346 | ** Every other game is justified in starting the player from the beginning by starring a new protagonist. Roxas has two games in which he is playable, but he has his memory wiped between ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts358DaysOver2'' and the start of ''Kingdom Hearts II'', explaining his power loss. Meanwhile, Aqua has three games in which she is playable and never loses her power; ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts02BirthBySleepAFragmentaryPassage'' has Aqua start at level 50 (the Secret Episode of ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'' can be comfortably finished at Lv. 45) and gives her max-level magic from the get-go, something carried over to ''Kingdom Hearts III''. |
| 347 | * ''VideoGame/KnightBewitched2'': Ruth, Gwen, Stray, and Uno return as playable characters, but they don't keep their levels, lategame skills, and equipment from the previous game. |
| 348 | * ''VideoGame/KnightsOfXentar'' begins with the hero of two previous ([[NoExportForYou never-exported]]) games wearing the greatest armor that could be obtained in those games and wielding the best weapon. Then bandits attack, and he declares that he'll only draw his sword to fight true evil. They rob him blind. He at least retains his exceptional skills, up until the first boss uses an unholy artifact to drain him back to a low level. |
| 349 | * Averted in ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublicIITheSithLords'', which has a different main character from the [[VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic first game]]--but according to the new character's back story, they were once a famous and powerful Jedi who has now lost most of their powers through the exact type of mechanism often used to justify this trope. This happens to several characters in the game, both new and returning. Kreia [[spoiler:was once a Sith Lord, and was stripped of her power and exiled by the other Sith]], Mandalore [[spoiler:(Canderous Ordo from the previous game)]] mentions that he has suffered multiple wounds over the years, and is not as powerful as he used to be, and HK-47 has actually been destroyed at the beginning of the game, and must be repaired. |
| 350 | * In ''Legend of Keepers'' from Goblinz Studio, the only thing your Master retains is their experience points and levels gained as well as the potential monster, traps and artefacts that you manage to unlock. Otherwise all the Master Bonuses, Monsters hired, Traps and Artefacts purchased as well as the engineering or training for upgrades and your Master's unique promotional benefits, these are all lost once you complete a level. Justified in game, as you're simply hired to temporarily overseer a particular dungeon that week, with everything you used in that dungeon level are essentially propery of that dungeon that's been temporarily loaned to you during that week and not yours to own. |
| 351 | * In ''VideoGame/LufiaTheRuinsOfLore'', Dekar claims he's in the prime of his life... despite joining with far lower stats than he would have had by the end of ''[[VideoGame/LufiaIIRiseOfTheSinistrals Lufia II]]'' and equipped with nothing but his signature sword and mediocre armor. While he never catches back up to his attack power from ''Lufia II'' (and strangely has forgotten how to wield axes, despite his ''Lufia II'' sprite depicting him with one), he does [[StoneWall become a mountain of HP and Defense]] without being quite as slow ([[IdiotHero physically, at least]]) as he used to be. |
| 352 | * ''Franchise/MassEffect'': |
| 353 | ** Justified in ''VideoGame/MassEffect2'', a character imported from ''VideoGame/{{Mass Effect|1}}'' will retain little to none of their experience and resources. For example, a level 45 character with 1 million credits in the bank will start the second game at level 2 with only one hundred thousand bonus credits. This is due to the character [[spoiler:being dead for two years.]] However, certain decisions made in the first game will still carry over (both to the benefit and detriment of Shepard); this also applies to the third game. |
| 354 | ** Downplayed in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'': if you transfer a character from ''VideoGame/MassEffect2'', you retain all your powers from where you left off. This puts you at up to level 30 (the max level cap of 2), meaning you still have to level up to get all the new powers in 3, but this is justified as your character (and enemies) becoming more powerful. New characters start at an approximation of where they would be at the end of ''2''. You completely lose all your weapons and have to start with grunt gear, but this is justified as well as the Alliance stripped you of your weaponry when they court martialed Shepard (either for working with Cerberus or [if you played the ''Arrival'' DLC] for the Bahak Incident). Also, depending on what DLC or version of the game you have installed, Hackett and others will let you know about a boatload of extra guns, armor and other items they secured for you and your squadmates. So, while you do lose your weaponry, it's not like they're sending you in [[WithThisHerring with just the basic gear like in the first game.]] |
| 355 | ** Similarly, your cabin is empty of all the collectibles from the second game. However, all of the model ships are actually just stored in cargo bins around the ship and can easily be restored (though it becomes a minor challenge to track them all down), and once you make it to the Citadel, an old friend reveals she's been taking care of your fish and returns them (depending on decisions made in the previous game). As for your old dogtags Liara gives you in "Lair of the Shadow Broker", Anderson tosses them to you when he reinstates you, so Shepard is actually ''wearing'' them. The only things you don't keep are your old helmet and the Prothean sphere, which was sent to a lab. |
| 356 | ** The ''Expanded Galaxy Mod'' for ''3'' completely averts this. Once you get onboard the ''Normandy'', Shepard receives a message letting them know that the crew put all of the weapons that were acquired in ''2'' into storage, and they can be found in a weapon chest down in the armory. Similarly, the unique items you had in ''2'' (like the aforementioned sphere and helmet) can be re-acquired, though the former must be obtained during the first N7 mission Hackett gives. |
| 357 | * Very noticeable in ''VideoGame/MegaManBattleNetwork'', as Lan loses everything; his [[GameBreaker broken]] Gater folder, all his HP memory, his power ups, the ability to preset chips, etc. He eventually gets everything backed up (except the gater folder). Not only that, but it seems like the Navi Customizer gets uninstalled after every game, and in ''[=BN4=]'', the Style Change is replaced outright with the Soul Unison ability. This is balanced by the fact that returning bosses also start off weak compared to their final versions in the previous game. |
| 358 | ** The sixth game Lampshaded via the Poem program. One of the poems brings up this very trope, and it appears that not even Lan knows what happens to everything! |
| 359 | ** After the events of 4 and 5, Mega Man can become complete tainted dark and be fine at the beginning of the next game. However, this would explain the HP loss. |
| 360 | ** Sequel series ''VideoGame/MegaManStarForce'' eventually explains that because digital technology evolves so quickly, all the upgrades you acquire are incompatible by the time the next game rolls around. This reasoning could be stretched backwards to the Battle Network series. ''Star Force 2'' does not explain, however, why once you've upgraded from a Transer to a Star Carrier, your beloved friends won't renew your [[TrueCompanions BrotherBands]] until you pull off plot shenanigans, even though you saved each of their lives a minimum of twice in the previous game. |
| 361 | * {{Justified|Trope}} in ''VideoGame/MegaManLegends 2'', where Megs is confident he can handle the bad guys as soon as he gets his old gear out of storage... until the penny-pinching Roll sheepishly admits she sold off his equipment to cover repairs for the pounding the ship took near the end of the last game. Interestingly, he does keep the ability given by the previous game's Jump Springs (that is, a higher jump). |
| 362 | * [[ZigZaggingTrope Zig-zagged]] in ''VideoGame/MountAndBlade'', as you can keep you skills and cash by exporting and importing. |
| 363 | * Averted in the ''VideoGame/NeverwinterNights'' series. Within each major installment, you can carry over a character to expansions, with the same stats. (But not between ''VideoGame/NeverwinterNights'' and ''VideoGame/NeverwinterNights2'', as their main characters are different people story-wise). In ''NeverwinterNights2/MaskOfTheBetrayer'', you get to keep whatever you had equipped when the character was exported, but not the weapon and items in the inventory. |
| 364 | ** ''NeverwinterNights/HordesOfTheUnderdark'', the second expansion for ''[=NWN1=]'', has the PC's inventory stolen from his inn room at the beginning of the game. In-game dialogue allows the PC to hang a lampshade on it by repeatedly claiming you "only want my stuff back!" [[spoiler:Which you eventually ''can'' get back, mostly, provided you remember to loot one of the drow encampments. But by then you've probably found better counterparts for many of the items anyway.]] (Technically, however, the protagonist was ''not'' the same character from the original game - it was the same character from ''NeverwinterNights/ShadowsOfUndrentide''.) |
| 365 | * In ''VideoGame/ParasiteEve2'', Aya Brea claims to have sealed her powers pre-game to resist the temptation to use them; naturally, she has to learn them again. Exactly how is not explained nor indicated by either ending of the previous game. She might've also said something about how she didn't want to draw attention to herself. If that's the case, then one would think the one power she ''did'' keep would be something relatively subtle, like, say, the healing ability, rather than the one that allows her to ''set people on fire''. |
| 366 | * Possibly the case in ''VideoGame/PokemonLegendsArceus'', given that the protagonist [[AmbiguousSituation may or may not be]] the same character as the protagonist from ''VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl''. If such is true, it's a justified example given you suddenly got yanked a couple hundred or so years in the past with nothing but the clothes on your back and all of your "fighting strength" comes from your Pokémon. |
| 367 | * The ''VideoGame/RealmsOfArkania'' series. Not all that useful in game 3, but life saving if you import your party from 1 into the very hard 2. |
| 368 | * In ''VideoGame/{{Robopon}} 2'', somehow, Cody leaves Porombo Island for the Robopon tournament ''without carrying any of his Robopon'', and is shipwrecked in Majiko's Baba Village before he can turn back for them. |
| 369 | * ''VideoGame/ShadowHearts'': |
| 370 | ** In ''Covenant'', Yuri, the only returning PC, starts out the game at a low level with none of his previous equipment. However, the loss of his special abilities is explained by the weakening properties of the Holy Mistletoe he's stabbed with, and although he doesn't join the party until after this happens, you see him using the Amon fusion soul and fighting at a power level consistent with having beaten the last game in cut scenes prior to this. |
| 371 | * ''VideoGame/GoldBox'': |
| 372 | ** Downplayed by the transition from ''[[VideoGame/GoldBox Champions of Krynn]]'' to ''Death Knights of Krynn'', as you lose most of the good gear. Also, in all the games, despite keeping experience, it makes more sense to make new characters and have the old ones hand off the better gear, as the Modify command let you max stats on your newly created characters; older characters could have substantially less hit points, as they had random hit point gains until 9th or 10th level. A character from an early game could have less than half the hit points of a newly created one, despite being a level or two higher if you [[LevelGrinding Level Ground]]. |
| 373 | ** ''Curse of the Azure Bonds'' also played it straight by having the villains steal most of your gear except for basic items and a token amount of cash, taking away the amazing magic items gathered in ''Pool of Radiance.'' |
| 374 | ** ''Secret of the Silver Blades'' also removed all character gear, with the explanation that the teleport spell that brought in the characters was accidentally not designed to bring in any (meaning ''[[NakedOnArrival any]]'') of their possessions. The next game in the series, however, ''Pools of Darkness'', averts the trope almost completely; almost anything that a character had in ''Blades'' will carry over. |
| 375 | * In the ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' series: |
| 376 | ** ''VideoGame/Persona2'': |
| 377 | *** The returning characters from ''VideoGame/{{Persona 1}}'' play this straight. They all join with their starting Personas instead of their ultimates, and while Kei and Eriko have decent starting equipment, Yukino has bollocks for gear -- although all three are a ''bit'' higher leveled than the rest of the party to reflect that they know what they're doing, so it's at least acknowledged that they're returning heroes. |
| 378 | *** Maya justifies this in ''Eternal Punishment'', as [[spoiler:the timeline reset]] at the end of ''Innocent Sin'' wipes her memories and cleans out her inventory. |
| 379 | *** Tatsuya averts this in ''Eternal Punishment'', as he returns with a much higher level, a vastly stronger Persona than anybody else, and decent armaments. Loading a card with data from ''Innocent Sin'' results in him joining at the same level as in the prior game and with the same Persona. |
| 380 | ** In the two months between ''VideoGame/Persona3'''s The Journey and The Answer, SEES lost anywhere from 50 to 79 levels (most of a year's worth of training), all of their rare and highly valuable equipment and accessories (which also could be considered mementos of the Protagonist), and even their Evokers (though those were handed in as part of their preparation to disband). Ken and Akihiko [[LampshadeHanging lampshade]] this by likening it to cramming insanely hard for a test, only to forget everything instantly afterward. Other possible justifications include the possibility that the uber-equipment was stored [[spoiler:outside the dorm that they cannot leave]] and that [=SEES=] [[spoiler:losing their memories of the Dark Hour between the defeat of Nyx and Graduation Day]] had some effect on their "levels." One wonders what they did with all the equipment they found themselves holding during that time, though, especially the items that ''didn't'' come from within Tartarus. |
| 381 | ** Despite ''VideoGame/PersonaQShadowOfTheLabyrinth'' taking place in the middle of the game's timeline for both ''VideoGame/Persona3'' and ''VideoGame/Persona4'', the characters from whichever game you picked the protagonist from all start at level 1 with starting equipment, while the characters from the other game all start at the level you were at when you beat the first boss. |
| 382 | ** ''VideoGame/PersonaQ2NewCinemaLabyrinth'' brings in the characters from ''VideoGame/Persona5'', ''VideoGame/Persona4'', and ''VideoGame/Persona3'' from late in the midgame of each of their respective stories, and pretty much all of them lose most to all of their levels. Only the last two returning party members (the P3 Hero and Aigis) have plausible abilities, even if they are noticably a bit underleveled for where SEES would likely be at that point in the game. |
| 383 | ** Justified in ''VideoGame/Persona5Strikers''. The Phantom Thieves disbanded after the events of the first game, so none of them kept their gear (they were expecting to permanently lose access to the Metaverse, so there was no need to keep any of it). And as it turns out, the people they previously bought equipment from are also conveniently absent. Similarly, once Joker gets to the Velvet Room, he finds that Igor has mysteriously disappeared and Lavenza is running the room herself. Because of that, she doesn't have access to Igor's records and therefore Joker can't access any of the personas he gained in the previous game- he's got to get them back the hard way. |
| 384 | ** ''Devil Children'' explained this in the Fire and Ice entries for Platform/GameBoyAdvance by having the powerful characters depowered at the beginning through a minor but plausible plot device. |
| 385 | ** ''VideoGame/DigitalDevilSaga'' has this happen between the two games. This is lampshaded then explained [[spoiler:in that the characters were AI programs in the first game, but lost much of their power when their bodies became real in the second]]. |
| 386 | ** Lampshaded in ''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor2'''s Triangulum Arc. When the first battle occurs, Io and Daichi regain their memories of having fought against the Septentriones and Polaris in the previous world, and they jump from Level 1 instantly to Level 20 -- a good 40 Levels below what they were when confronting Polaris. Daichi specifically mentions feeling weaker than he did previously. |
| 387 | * ''VideoGame/SouthParkTheFracturedButWhole'' has the kids switching from a [[VideoGame/SouthParkTheStickOfTruth fantasy genre]] to a superhero genre, which means the New Kid's identity as King Douchebag is meaningless and the New Kid is forced to roll up a new character sheet in order to play with the other kids. |
| 388 | * Averted in the ''VideoGame/{{Suikoden}}'' series. In ''[[VideoGame/SuikodenII II]]'' and ''[[VideoGame/SuikodenIII III]]'' you can load up saved games from the previous games, and the recurring characters get a power boost in line with their level, and their weapons are sharper than they would be otherwise. Granted, they aren't nearly as buff as they were at the end of the previous game, but the general power level seems to scale up with each successive game. {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d in a scene in ''VideoGame/SuikodenII'', where returning character Viktor unsuccessfully chases one of the minor villains. When the villain gets away, Viktor remarks "I could have caught him a few years ago." |
| 389 | * [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros Mario]] has starred in multiple {{RPG}}s, but no matter what level he has reached or what equipment/items he has gotten, he returns to level 1 with basic equipment (if any at all) at the start of the next game. This makes even less sense in ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiPartnersInTime'', where his baby form levels up and possibly becomes even stronger than him. Interestingly, in ''[[VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiBowsersInsideStory Bowser's Inside Story]]'', when the time comes to use a technique from the first game, it's ''Mario'' who explains to [[ExpositionFairy Starlow]] this technique that they already know how to do. |
| 390 | ** Downplayed in ''VideoGame/PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor'', since Mario keeps his hammer and remembers all of the stuff from the previous game. Played straight when he has to get new partners, but justified because his old ones all went back to their own lives at the end of the first game and there was no reason to suspect he'd need them when he set out. However, he still loses all the badges he had before and the Ultra Hammer/Boots. |
| 391 | ** In ''[[VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiDreamTeam Dream Team]]'', this is subverted by [[spoiler:Bowser. He retains the abilities he learned in the [[VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiBowsersInsideStory last game]], such as turning into a spiked ball, the ability to turn giant without Kamek's help, and even the [[VacuumMouth Vacuum block]] ability, even though it was apparently undone in the finale. The last of which helps him to become [[RealityWarper Dreamy]] [[FinalBoss Bowser]]!]] |
| 392 | * ''[[VideoGame/TalesSeries Tales]]'': |
| 393 | ** Played Straight in ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphoniaDawnOfTheNewWorld''. Not only are the Heroes of Regeneration straight up de-leveled- going from as high as Level 250 down to Level 10 in the most extreme of cases, they can't gain levels in the new game anyways, because they do not gain EXP. Their equipment, on the other hand is downplaying the trope- they come with some of the first game's best equipment from the get-go, but their weapon is each character's weakest/starting weapon- in the final chapter, they gain their best equipment. (But you can't change ANY of it). Again averted with Lloyd who's encountered at the very beginning of the game at Level 50 with his best equipment (at least he has his best -and only- weapon), but he's an enemy. |
| 394 | ** Most of the party in ''VideoGame/TalesOfDestiny2'' is not the same, and Stahn and Rutee have most likely sold most of their old gear to pay for running their orphanage, so Kyle can't inherit it. However, played straight with [[spoiler: Judas]]. [[spoiler: Even with only being playable for half of the first game, Leon]] should probably be stronger than he is when you meet him... Perhaps Justified in that he was [[spoiler: dead for quite some time,]] and Subverted in that he [[spoiler: does still have Chaltier, but using him would reveal his identity.]] |
| 395 | ** Justified in ''VideoGame/TalesOfXillia2'', at least in the case of the party's combat abilities, which were stated to have been provided to them in part by the Lillium orbs. They've ceased working and were replaced by the new Arrowcell ([[DubNameChange Allium]]) orbs, which eventually allow them to surpass their previous potential. Still no explanation as to what they did with all of their fancy gear, though. Though considering Jude is mentioned to be in PerpetualPoverty due to his research, he at least would have most likely sold them. Elize shows up on a school trip and only sheer luck has her have Teepo on her; her gear is most likely back in Rieze Maxia (why she doesn't ''pick them up later'' is the problem). The rest don't really have an excuse. |
| 396 | * Both averted and played straight in earlier ''Trails'' trilogy ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfHeroesTrailsInTheSky''. |
| 397 | ** Averted for levels. Every character joins in the next game at roughly the level they would've been at the end of the last one. Estelle's level goes one further: it carries from FC to SC directly if you have an OldSaveBonus. SortingAlgorithmOfEvil, though, means endgame levels of the previous game are the equivalent of starting levels in the sequel. Levels roughly range from 1-40 in the first game, 40-90 in the second, and 90-150 in the third. And just like ''Cold Steel'', characters keep all their Crafts. |
| 398 | ** PlayedWith by equipments. Estelle loses all of her equipments in-between the first and second games, but her starting equipments are roughly as powerful as the endgame equipments of the first game. In ''The 3rd'', the starting equipments are very weak, even weaker than ''FC'' equipments. However, the stats quickly ramp up, and by the third chapter they're already stronger than the endgame equipments of ''SC''. |
| 399 | ** Played straight with Quartz, but justified in both SC and The Third. In SC, a new model of [[MagicFromTechnology Orbment]] has been developed that allows for the casting of stronger Arts, but is incompatible with previously-made Quartz. Estelle decides that the new Arts are worth giving up her old Quartz for. In The Third, Kevin keeps endgame-tier Quartz for the Prologue, and new character Ries starts with similarly strong Quartz, but both their Quartz are destroyed when they enter Phantasma, forcing them to start from scratch. |
| 400 | ** Played straight with everything else. Money, items, recipes, none of them carry over between games. |
| 401 | ** Zero to Azure has a similar situation. The Engima's have been upgraded to Engima 2's which have a very different set up and the old Quartz no longer work, and Lloyd and friends decide the eventual power increase is worth having to start from scratch again. Everyone still has their crafts though, and if you carried over a save with the upgraded combo crafts you'll keep those too. Happens again when [[spoiler:Lloyd and Rixia return]] in Cold Steel 2, with them having replaced the Enigma 2's with Arcus units, and thus their old Quartz no longer working. They even debate just keeping the Engima's but decided Arcus's link system is worth switching up for. They're also given a late game Quartz set up to start with and remain at a high level. Since they're considered Guest characters though they only have one S craft and 3 Crafts each now and their combo craft is gone completely since that was replaced with the Combat Links in Cold Steel. |
| 402 | * ''VideoGame/UltimaVII'' was DividedForPublication, resulting in ''Ultima VII: The Black Gate'' and ''VideoGame/UltimaVIIPartII: Serpent Isle'' as two separate titles. However, each one is a full game, and by the end of ''The Black Gate'', your party is all powered up. This would be a problem for ''Serpent Isle''. The solution? Immediately after getting off the boat there, you're struck by [[LightningCanDoAnything magical transposing lightning]] that trades your InfinityPlusOneSword for a piece of cheese, your ArmorOfInvincibility for a bucket, etc. It even trades your ''party members'' for random scrap items. Oh, and welcome to level 1 for no reason. Attempting to keep your stuff by dumping it out onto the beach before you walk to the event flag for the teleport storm doesn't work, either. There are actually two versions of that beach in the game's map. The one you start on, and the one you are sent to when the teleport storm happens. You can't get back to that first version of the beach without glitches or hacking, so you'd better get to questing! |
| 403 | ** Lampshaded in ''Ultima VII''. At one point, Iolo explains to you that every time you go to Earth and return to Britannia, it is as if you were newborn. This explains why you always begin at level 1, and why you can approach a unicorn, something that can only be done by characters with zero experience. But that directly conflicts with the fact that you were allowed to import old characters between parts 4-6, although the only things retained were stats and experience. The Avatar also has a persistent tendency to leave lots of stuff behind when he/she is moongated to Britannia - weapons, armor, supplies and in one case the very useful Orb of the Moons. Similarily, no one seems to keep good track of your things you leave in Britannia either - in U6, you have to run all over the land to collect the Runes that people misplace, hide and even withhold from you. In ''The Black Gate'' pointedly asks you if you kept track of the mighty Quicksword Enilno - it was essential to stop the insanely powerful sorceress Minax, but apparently you dropped it somewhere. |
| 404 | ** Spoony points out that in Ultima Underworld II, this trope is really not used well, as your stats and weapons are virtually nil... Which is pretty appalling, since in the ''previous'' game (the aforementioned Ultima VII), you had all your stats raised to double maximum and had the Black Sword, a weapon with the ability to kill literally anything with just a touch (aside from those protected by GameplayAllyImmortality). The only explanation that is given- or hinted at- is that you just one day showed up at Lord British's castle massively overweight, out of shape, and dressed in burlap. |
| 405 | * Averted in ''VideoGame/TheWitcher2AssassinsOfKings'', Geralt keeps the Signs (spells) that he learned in the previous game. However, weapon-wise he's only limited to a regular sword and a silver sword since those were the only weapons that were of any importance. Geralt will keep certain unique weapons and armor if he had them at the end of the first game, though they will quickly be outclassed by new equipment. |
| 406 | * ''VideoGame/{{Wizardry}}'': |
| 407 | ** Character data can be transferred from game 1 to 2, then to 3, and finally to 5 (4 is from the viewpoint of the first game's BigBad). Loss in experience or equipment is explained as the new characters being descendants of the heroes, or the greedy king training you as a reward, but making you pay for your training with all of your gold and equipment. |
| 408 | ** ''Wizardry 6: Bane of the Cosmic Forge'' has three different endings. ''Wizardry 7: Crusaders of the Dark Savant'' not only allows you to import your characters from ''Wizardry 6'', but has four different introductions and start points - one for each ending of ''Wizardry 6'', and one for players starting fresh. |
| 409 | ** ''Wizardry 8'' not only allows players to import characters from the previous game, but also allows imports from the game before that. Characters maintain any alliances they had formed in prior games, and will even start at the allied base camp, but lose many levels due to the long space voyage to the new planet. The game encourages players to save after winning so that they may import their characters into ''Wizardry 9'', but the company went bankrupt so this isn't going to happen. |
| 410 | * While ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'' usually never justifies the spilling that occurs at the beginning of a new expansion, it's justified at the end of the seventh expansion ''Legion'' when [[BigBad Sargeras]] stabs his planet-sized BFS into Azeroth in a TakingYouWithMe moment while being [[SealedEvilInACan sealed]] by [[SealedEvilInADuel Illidan and the Titans]]. In order to stop the sword from poisoning the world soul of the planet, the [[PlayerCharacter heroes]] absorb the power of the sword into their Artifact weapons, super charging them until they became inert when the pre-expansion patch for the next expansion, ''Battle For Azeroth'', hit. |
| 411 | * The ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles1: Definitive Edition'' PlayableEpilogue, ''Future Connected'', does not take into account a main game save file. So even if you had your characters at level 99 with endgame equipment and fully leveled arts, you will start at level 60 with basic equipment and arts only partly leveled. Since skills and skill links are not a feature in ''Future Connected'', you also lose any of those. It is justified since it's been a year since the protagonists were last in active combat and the loss of skill can be attributed to atrophy. |
| 412 | * The ''VideoGame/{{Xenosaga}}'' games did not carry over experience between games, despite that the second game literally starts ''the next day''. Granted, each game only lasts a few days (rather than taking years), and indeed, none of the characters is really assumed to improve (in combat anyway) over the course of the game outside of game battles. Still, Kos-Mos needs to level up in the second and third game to gain some of her previously acquired special abilities (though the fact that she's replaced with a different model every time explains that, at least). It's notable that the characters get seemingly more powerful in each game. In the first ''Xenosaga'' game, you'll usually fight the final boss with characters who have in the neighborhood of 1,000 HP each. In the second game, it'll be about 2,500 HP, in the third game, somewhere around 6,000. It may be the series' way of allowing you to think your characters get more powerful from one game to the other while still making you start off as a weak level one character. |
| 413 | * ''Franchise/YokaiWatch'': |
| 414 | ** ''VideoGame/YokaiWatch2'' begins with the Yo-kai Watch being stolen from the protagonist. Along with the watch and the protagonist's memories of using it, the Medallium containing the collected Yo-kai Medals from the previous adventure is also lost, so once you get the watch back you must restart your collection with Jibanyan. |
| 415 | ** In ''VideoGame/YokaiWatch3'', Nate is moving to an area where his old Yo-kai Watches won't work. Whisper trades away his collected Medals for a new watch model, so once again you have to start with only Jibanyan. |
| 416 | * ''VideoGame/{{Ys}}'': |
| 417 | ** This was downplayed in the Platform/TurboGrafxCD version of ''Ys Book [[VideoGame/YsIAncientYsVanishedOmen I]] and [[VideoGame/YsIIAncientYsVanishedTheFinalChapter II]]'' which threw you into the second game immediately after finishing the first with all your levels, experience intact. This was made to work simply by raising the level cap and continuing to offer more powerful equipment as you progressed. Your sword and armor still get left behind in Esteria, though you get them back at the end when Ys lands. |
| 418 | ** ''VideoGame/YsIVTheDawnOfYs'': You start off with the InfinityPlusOneSword and armor you had at the end of ''Ys Book I and II'', only to be captured by the Romuns, stripped of your equipment, and thrown in the dungeon. |
| 419 | ** ''VideoGame/YsMemoriesOfCelceta'': This game is the canon version of ''IV'' and gives a different explanation. Rather than get arrested, Adol lost his memories and gear [[spoiler:due to getting curbstomped by Dark Eldeel]]. |
| 420 | ** In ''VideoGame/YsVITheArkOfNapishtim'', the game opens with a shipwreck. All Adol's stuff save his sword is lost, and he spends three days in a coma; between that and the various injuries of the shipwreck, as Olha puts it, "[he's] become quite frail." |
| 421 | ** In ''VideoGame/YsVIIILacrimosaOfDana'', Adol starts with the best sword from the chronologically previous game... and promptly loses it in [[RunningGag another shipwreck]]. This game is also notable in that [[spoiler: another bag of spilling happens ''within'' the game itself. In the endgame Adol has to create the Mistelteinn sword in order to put an end to the Lacrimosa and harm the Tree of Origin. But as that whole sequence of events was in-universe retconned, Mistelteinn is never forged and Adol is downgraded to the weaker Hyperion blade when fighting against the TrueFinalBoss.]] |
| 422 | ** This eventually gets lampshaded in ''Videogame/YsIXMonstrumNox'', where upon forging Adol's best sword he can comment on how he'll inevitably just lose it. |
| 423 | * Some series went so far as to allow the players to import characters from entirely different, unrelated games (ie. the ''[[VideoGame/TheBardsTaleTrilogy Bard's Tale]]'' series let the player import characters from the ''VideoGame/{{Ultima}}'' games, not even by the same company). |
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| 426 | [[folder:Shooter Game]] |
| 427 | * In 10tons's ''Tesla vs. Lovecraft'', every new stage Nikolai Tesla will lose all his levels and whatever perks he earned. This makes upgrading his inventions so important as these never lose any ability or stats whenever Nikolai goes to a new place. |
| 428 | * Averted in ''VideoGame/{{X2}}'', a space-shooter which, if you happen to lose a life and respawn, you will ''not'' lose your weapons - the equipment you're previously carrying before dying remains. Given the game's [[NintendoHard difficulty]] that's actually a good thing. |
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| 431 | [[folder:Simulation Game]] |
| 432 | * ''VideoGame/TheSims'' for handhelds features the world's first Blackberry of Spilling. The sequels follow directly from the last, but the people you have befriended, [[FetchQuest run ridiculous errands for]], and helped attain various honors and expensive possessions will not remember you in the slightest. Some have the courtesy of deja vu, at least. This includes [[BigBad Daddy Bigbucks]], whose plans you repeatedly foil. However, ''The Urbz'' does contain a rare EasterEgg where occasionally, when you answer your phone, it'll be your uncle from the first game asking you to come visit sometime. ("The chickens miss you.") |
| 433 | * In ''VideoGame/{{Pharaoh}}: Cleopatra'', you build up Deir-El-Medina and Alexandria 4 times each from the ground up, while there's nothing in the story that would say they were destroyed since your last visit. |
| 434 | * In the VisualNovel ''VideoGame/GalaxyAngel'' the girls lose some of the hearts they had from previous games making them weaker in combat. Especially awkward with whichever girl you've chosen to be your one true love. Seems they don't love you quite so much anymore. Justified in some routes when Chitose arrives in the second game and the girl Takuto loves is worried about Takuto's affection but makes absolutely no sense with Forte who simply doesn't care or Mint who can read his mind. |
| 435 | * By the time you decide to stop playing ''[[VideoGame/{{X}} X2: The Threat]]'' you likely have hundreds of millions of credits, a sizable trade empire, and dozens if not hundreds of warships and fighters. Then ''X3: Reunion'', starring the same PlayerCharacter only a year later, rolls around and you're back to a crappy ship and only a few thousand credits. Fansite owner [=ApricotSlice=] has a few choice words on the subject [[http://apricotmappingservice.com/unbalanced.html here]]. Averted for the next three games, the first two of which have {{Featureless Protagonist}}s, while the [[VideoGame/XRebirth third]] has a new protagonist in a LostColony. |
| 436 | * In ''VideoGame/AirfixDogfighter'', you start every mission with your upgrades at zero, no matter how much you upgraded your plane during the previous mission. |
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| 438 | |
| 439 | [[folder:Stealth-Based Game]] |
| 440 | * ''VideoGame/{{Hitman}}'': |
| 441 | ** While that Agent 47 of the games can amass a literal armory of weapons in just one game, and though he is a master assassin who requires more exotic weapons like sniper rifles and poison, by the start of the next game, the only weapons he has are his trademark AKA47 Silverballers a silenced variant, his garrote, and a syringe. He then (although it's always optional) proceeds to either buy his weapons in the black market, or takes them with him when he exits a level. What makes it an even sillier problem is the fact that the games are not chronological, and therefore, parts of one game can happen in between the levels of another game in the series, but 47 still has to acquire the same weapon multiple times in a row. Justified in [[VideoGame/Hitman2SilentAssassin the second game]], as 47 had quit the life and was living with Father Vittorio, and he could really only realistically store his Silverballers and a couple other things in the closet he had there, presumably having sold off the rest (going off a mention in the intro of large donations he's made to the church). |
| 442 | ** ''[[VideoGame/HitmanBloodMoney Blood Money]]'' begins the game with Mr. 47 having freshly flown into the United States from his usual operating area of Europe and Asia. The loss of equipment then could be justified, since getting an arsenal past customs may be fairly difficult. |
| 443 | ** ''Blood Money'' subverts this, too -- you don't have ''all'' your kickass weapons, but you do start with five basic weapons, one in each broad category, including the Custom Sniper/W2000 Sniper, which was the ultimate rare weapon in the (chronologically) previous game, and very hard to obtain outside that game's final mission. Since these five are generally the best or most generally-useful in their category, it makes sense that they'd be the five he'd choose to bring with him. |
| 444 | ** ''[[VideoGame/HitmanContracts Contracts]]'' is a special case, as the majority of the storyline of the game shows 47 fighting for his life after suffering a near-fatal gunshot wound, the missions being mostly remakes of missions from previous games or flashbacks to, presumably, earlier missions in his life. The only mission taking place in reality is the final one. However, it's entirely possible to play the final mission after equipping yourself with weapons acquired during the hallucinations. Chronologically, ''Contracts'' also takes place after the Curtains Down mission of ''Blood Money'', meaning aside from his dream armory, he still has his hideaway. |
| 445 | ** Also justified in ''[[VideoGame/HitmanAbsolution Absolution]]'' - 47's gone rogue, so he wouldn't have access to any large arsenals. He even has to [[ATasteOfPower trade his Silverballers to another disgraced assassin]] for information early on, leaving him with just an unsilenced revolver and his garrote for a few levels. Less justified in the transition from ''Dexter Industries'' to ''Death Factory'', which is by entering an elevator, and from ''Death Factory'' to ''Fight Night'', which is by climbing a ladder. |
| 446 | ** The new ''VideoGame/{{Hitman|2016}}'' downgrades 47's arsenal considerably due to the emphasis on stealth rather than gunplay. For one, the Silverballers went from two pistols to a single silenced pistol, though things like the garrote and syringe remain untouched. He can unlock more guns by completing challenges that he can bring into missions. It's then averted in the rest of the trilogy: anything 47 unlocks in one part of the trilogy carries over to the future games. The only item to be spilled is the ICA Electrocution Phone, which isn't carried over from ''2'' to ''3'' due to being a GameBreaker. |
| 447 | * The ''VideoGame/MetalGear'' series justified Snake going in unarmed so he would acquire enemy gear and thus be unidentifiable (shell casings or magazines left behind would match enemy gear, thus not providing evidence that he was there). |
| 448 | ** ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty'': Averting this was part of the justification for the infamous [[spoiler:player character swap of the legendary soldier Solid Snake in favor of the ''de facto'' rookie Raiden who could be plausibly lectured on the game world]]. This is also justified in the very introduction sequence of the Tanker chapter, where Snake infiltrates the tanker with the help of Otacon's stealth camouflage, but he breaks it when he makes his entrance. The lack of weapons (he only carries an M9 modified to shoot tranquilizer darts) is explained by Snake not wanting to accumulate a body count of Marines who are just doing their jobs, as he's supposed to be sneaking in to gather information (and didn't expect terrorists to seize the tanker moments after he arrived). |
| 449 | ** ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater'' makes a point of singling out how important this trope is. Since it's set during the UsefulNotes/ColdWar, finding evidence of American soldiers tramping around on Russian soil could trigger WorldWarIII. |
| 450 | ** ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots'' begins with Snake entering a combat zone alongside underequipped guerrila's so he has to make do with what he finds before meeting up with the mk.2. Thankfully the new octocamo suit's stealth mechanics and handguns it provides are all he really needs to sneak around. |
| 451 | ** ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVGroundZeroes'' ends with the player losing nearly everything they had acquired (in-canon) by the end of ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker'' -- Mother Base is destroyed (along with the Metal Gear unit placed underneath the base to hide it from the nuclear inspectors), all of the soldiers that were amassed and all of its equipped. By the time Snake rescues Miller from the platform, the entire staff has been reduced to a handful of people on one helicopter, so by the time ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain'' begins, Venom Snake has nothing to his name and has to scavenge everything he can find (and Diamond Dogs having a single platform in the Seychelles and a handful of weapons and items at their disposal, thanks to Miller). The game also slightly averts this (in a roundabout way) by using an OldSaveBonus to allow characters that were rescued from Camp Omega and the "pseudo-historical recreations" to volunteer for Mother Base throughout the first twelve missions of ''The Phantom Pain''. |
| 452 | * ''Franchise/AssassinsCreed'': |
| 453 | ** ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedI'' justifies this trope, with Altaïr starting off with a large number of skills at his disposal, being a high-ranking Master Assassin. [[spoiler:However, because of his arrogance, which results in another Assassin's death and the target retaliating with an attack on the Assassin fortress, he is stripped of his rank... and more importantly his gear, which granted him the majority of his skills, up to and including his blade).]] |
| 454 | ** In ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedII'', you're actually playing as a different person, so you don't have any of the equipment. |
| 455 | ** ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedBrotherhood'' begins directly after ''II'' and assumed that Ezio had been fully upgraded, so he starts with over fifty thousand florins on his person, along with [[InfinityPlusOneSword Altaïr's armor and sword]], maxed Health and maxed smoke bomb/throwing knife/bullet capacities. However, the morning after returning home to his family villa in Monteriggioni, the town comes under attack by an army led by Cesare Borgia, and Ezio only manages to arm himself with one of his hidden blade bracers and a longsword before his room is hit by a cannonball, burying all his other equipment in rubble, after which he is forced to flee the area while his stuff is looted by Cesare and his troops. As a concession to the player, that bracer was the one with a built-in pistol and a poison injector, which had been mid/late-game items in ''II'', so he keeps them along with his hidden blade, his longsword, and all of his training from ''II'' except for the heavy weapon and polearm special attacks (replaced with new attacks) and stepping replaced with the much more useful kicking. However, due to a pair of gunshot wounds suffered in the villa attack, he's left with only five Health squares at first (the same as his starting unarmored Health in ''II'') and is unable to climb-leap until the mid-game, when he may buy an optional Climb-Leap Glove. The wounds also initially leave him only able to walk, but a fortunately short walk to the doctor allows him to sprint, free-run and catch ledges again. |
| 456 | ** Downplayed in ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedRevelations'', which start with Ezio carrying only a couple of hidden blades and basic armor. He also wasn't expecting to run into the Templars in Masyaf, given that he was heading there on a scholarly mission (to research the origins of the Assassin order), and in the process of battling them, his off-hand hidden blade[[note]]the one that was made by Leonardo, rather than the one he inherited from Altair[[/note]] is broken, leaving him with only the (fully upgraded with pistol and poison) main hand hidden blade. Meeting with the Assassins of Istanbul gets him equipped with new gear as he takes up battle against the Templars again. |
| 457 | ** Subverted in ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIVBlackFlag''; Edward steals all of Duncan Walpole's Assassin gear, but his hidden blades are broken, and he likely lost all of his equipment in the preceding ship battle. So, all you start with are your bare fists, money and smoke bomb pouches, two sabres, a snazzy Assassin's outfit, and a letter inviting you to meet with the governor of Cuba. |
| 458 | * In ''VideoGame/SheepDogNWolf'', you always start levels with an empty inventory. [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] in that it's a TV game show and that it might be another of its rules. |
| 459 | * ''VideoGame/{{Boktai}}'' is notorious for this, but at least they try and HandWave it. The sequel begins with Django having his fully powered solar gun stolen, and by the time he gets it back it's been beaten to hell and not very functional anymore. The third begins with him getting the crap kicked out of him by [[FaceHeelTurn Sabata]], dumped weaponless in a dungeon, and suffering amnesia which makes him forget the spells he learned. The fourth game is a sort of but not really sequel with an all-new cast. |
| 460 | * ''VideoGame/{{Thief}}'' has Garret lose all of his equipment except for his sword, blackjack and bow in-between missions, as well as losing any unspent money after exiting the shop screen. Justified in that this is done to discourage players from [[TooAwesomeToUse hoarding equipment or cash.]] If you're gonna lose it all at the end of the mission, might as well make the most out of everything you have. |
| 461 | * In ''Videogame/Dishonored2'', Corvo gets his powers removed by Delilah during the intro of the game. If he's the chosen player character, if he chooses to get his powers back he once again starts off with [[FlashStep Blink]] in its initial state and has to upgrade to get all his powers back. |
| 462 | * ''VideoGame/BonanzaBros'': Whenever Mobo or Robo lose a life, they'll drop all the treasures that they were carrying around the spot where they got hit, meaning that they'll have to return to where it happened in order to get their stuff back. |
| 463 | [[/folder]] |
| 464 | |
| 465 | [[folder:Survival Horror]] |
| 466 | * Happens annoyingly and constantly in ''VideoGame/AlanWake''. You always lose everything between Episodes, but also frequently at other times. Sometimes there's a skimpy excuse, like leaving behind your flashlight and gun while jumping out of a car about to go over an edge, but most often, there's not even the flimsiest reason why Alan would leave behind his vital light-sources and weapons. Perhaps the most painful example is when you wake up in jail in Episode 4. Naturally, all your stuff's been confiscated. Shortly afterwards, however, the Sheriff is brought over to your side, and tells you that "your stuff" is in her office. When you get there, you find... a basic flashlight, a handgun with some ammo, and a shotgun (which is clearly part of the police station's weapon stores, and not yours). A far cry from the piles of weapons, ammo, flares, flashbangs and Heavy-Duty Lanterns you were carrying at the end of the previous chapter. |
| 467 | * ''VideoGame/CryOfFear'' handles this with [[SlidingScaleOfGameplayAndStoryIntegration a surprising amount of story and gameplay integration]] - your inventory is represented as a bag Simon carries over his shoulder. After an attempt to leave the haunted Stockholm by train goes wrong, however, Simon loses his bag - even in cutscenes, it's simply not part of his model anymore - and from that point onward, not only do you no longer have any of the weapons or items you had when you got on that train, but you're ''also'' now limited to half the slots you had before. |
| 468 | * ''Franchise/DeadSpace'': |
| 469 | ** ''VideoGame/DeadSpace2'': Three years after [[Videogame/DeadSpace escaping the Ishimura]], Isaac wakes up on the mental ward of the medical bay of the colony on Titan (one of Saturn's moons), and has to gather and upgrade new equipment to to stop this new Necromorph infestation. |
| 470 | ** ''VideoGame/DeadSpace3'': Isaac still works as an engineer, but he is based on earth, and bluntly refuses to go into space to investigate a suspect source of Necromorph infestations, but he reluctanly agrees when he's told that his ex-girlfriend has already gone on the expedition, and has to get requainted with the equpiment he had hoped to never use again. |
| 471 | * The ''Franchise/ResidentEvil'' series likes to justify the fact that the characters don't keep their endgame weapons by throwing them into the thick of battle out of nowhere. Or by having the organization that they are dealing with sabatoging their progress when the game begins. It also helps matters in that they try to lead relatively normal lives when not fighting for their lives. |
| 472 | [[/folder]] |
| 473 | |
| 474 | [[folder:Third-Person Shooter]] |
| 475 | * Justified in ''VideoGame/DestroyAllHumans 2'', where many of Crypto's weapons are lost and have to be recovered or re-engineered because a Russian missile blew up the mothership that was storing them. |
| 476 | * ''VideoGame/DeadToRights'' takes this to an extreme, with the game often looking for reasons for Slate to drop his arsenal multiple times ''per chapter''. There's even a scene in the Chinatown chapter where Slate gets cornered by police and told to drop his weapons, which serves no purpose other than to disarm him just in time for a gang of armed {{Mook}}s to arrive and shoot the police. |
| 477 | * ''VideoGame/MindJack''. You inexplicably lose your weapons after every ''encounter''. You also lose whatever civilian or enemy you've mind-hacked if you're not the host player. |
| 478 | [[/folder]] |
| 479 | |
| 480 | [[folder:Turn-Based Strategy]] |
| 481 | * Done on a continent wide scale in the ''VideoGame/TotalWar'' series, especially the expansion packs that cover later eras. Spend a few centuries conquering the eastern Mediterranean, build up its infrastructure so that every road is a super highway, each city has a legendary wall and an urban barracks and Praetorian stable capable of producing all units, make sure that each port is big enough to produce any ship. Then play the expansion as the Byzantines and find the same area in much worse shape than when you left it. |
| 482 | * The ''Franchise/FireEmblem'' franchise zigzags this trope: |
| 483 | ** ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemMysteryOfTheEmblem Mystery of the Emblem]]'' starts with a remake of the original game, so there isn't anything lost between the stories (except things cut for cartridge space reasons.) In the remakes (the 11th and 12th games in the series) this isn't really touched on at all, even if 12 (remake of 3 Book 2) doesn't include Book 1 (3's remake of 1). Characters that were in 1/11 but weren't in 3 are in 12 (with some in different classes if their class no longer exists in 3/12). It's zigzagged by the returning characters themselves; some maintain their beefed-up stats (like Hardin and the Wolfguard), some inexplicably revert to their starting levels (like Marth and most of his retainers), and one is a justified example (Arran, who contracted a deadly illness in the interim). |
| 484 | ** Finn in both ''VideoGame/FireEmblemGenealogyOfTheHolyWar'' and ''VideoGame/FireEmblemThracia776'' gets hit hard once the time skip happens. If he is to be paired up, he'll only start with an Iron Lance as his equipment is being inherited by his child. Except the child will never wield lances by default, so they get completely scrapped, especially the powerful Brave Lance, unless Finn sold his equipment in advance. And then in the midquel, Finn is reverted back to a Level 7 Lance Knight with only a Brave Lance, when he could wield many different type of lances and, depending on how adamantly you trained him in Generatation 1, can start as a Duke Knight in ''Genealogy''. |
| 485 | ** ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheBindingBlade The Binding Blade]]'' is a retroactive example: Most of the characters who go on to appear in the prequel ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheBlazingBlade The Blazing Blade]]'' (like Erik and Marcus) are at lower levels or have lower stats/growths than they did twenty years prior. However, it's also a justified example; since twenty years pass between the two games, they could be weaker due to age or simply got out of shape in the interim. |
| 486 | ** Averted in ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheBlazingBlade The Blazing Blade]]'': Should the player play through Lyn's story, set one year before the main events of the game, any characters you used will retain their levels and stats when you continue on to Eliwood's or Hector's path. Played straight, however, if they were to die during Lyn's story, which reverts them back to their default stats in Eliwood's or Hector's path. |
| 487 | ** Averted in the move between ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance Path of Radiance]]'' and its sequel ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemRadiantDawn Radiant Dawn]]'', by having each character able to gain an additional 20 levels (going from two Class tiers to three). So only a handful of characters really lost any level, stats, or experience. The only notable loss was that the main character Ike gave the legendary weapon Ragnell to the Kingdom of Begnion as its rightful owner. Any A supports from ''Path of Radiance'' even become bonds in ''Radiant Dawn'', and any capped stat in ''Path of Radiance'' adds +2 (regular stats) or +5 (HP) to the base stats in ''Radiant Dawn''. The only loss of cast between the two titles is Largo, because ''Radiant Dawn'' has no Berserker class in it. This is explained because Largo lost an arm between the end of ''Path of Radiance'' and the start of ''Radiant Dawn''. |
| 488 | ** Averted in ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Awakening]]''. Tiki's base stats are around the same as her caps as a child in ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemShadowDragonAndTheBladeOfLight Shadow Dragon]]'' and ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemMysteryOfTheEmblem Mystery of the Emblem]]''. |
| 489 | ** Played straight in ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Fates]]''. Odin, Selena, and Laslow, who are actually Owain, Severa, and Inigo from ''Awakening'' acting under pseudonyms, all start as mid-level unpromoted units. They also have far less potential in this game due to being first-generation units instead of second-generation. |
| 490 | * ''Franchise/{{Disgaea}}'': |
| 491 | ** In general, this is averted by always having a new (albeit similar) protagonist take up the mantle of Main Character. This allows the previous heroes (and apparently future ones) to maintain their insane power levels, but they all generally seem more concerned with losing their title as the Main Character (it's beginning to become their sole motivation for making cameos lately). In ''Disgaea'', your title is SeriousBusiness. |
| 492 | ** In ''VideoGame/Disgaea2CursedMemories'', [[spoiler:Etna (one of the main characters from the first game) initially shows up as a super powerful, level 1000 NPC. She eventually joins your party, but not before a summoning mishap drops her down to level 1. She was not amused]]. |
| 493 | ** ''VideoGame/DisgaeaD2ABrighterDarkness'' plays the trope completely straight, however, as the main characters are once again Laharl, Etna, and Flonne, back down to usual beginning-of-the-game levels and equipment. |
| 494 | * ''VideoGame/HeroesOfMightAndMagic'': |
| 495 | ** Artifacts (other than the occasional [[SwordOfPlotAdvancement plot-central kind]]) generally don't carry over between campaign missions, even though heroes and their levels do. Also, you're often forced to rebuild towns from the ground up in every mission, even when they're plot-wise the same ones as in previous missions. |
| 496 | ** The final campaign in ''Heroes V: Tribes of the East'' features a justified Bag of Spilling. Zehir gets a [[GlobalAirship flying city]], but has to pay with experience to move it. The first time he uses this ability in a cutscene (accidentally), he loses 200,000 experience, dropping from level 25 to level 9. |
| 497 | ** ''III'' has this ''between'' campaigns. Within a campaign, confirmed recurring heroes usually carry over levels and skills (and the occasional special artifact). However, in both the original game and the second expansion, some of the campaigns takes place shortly after the completion of previous ones and features returning heroes, now without explanation reset to less than what they almost certainly were at the end of the last campaign. |
| 498 | * ''VideoGame/KingsBounty'': In "Crossworlds," there is a campaign with the protagonist from ''Armored Princess'', but of course she starts from scratch... well, almost. She got to keep her pet dragon (just deleveled like herself), if only because it would be impossible to get another one within the new setting. |
| 499 | * ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' in general gets away with this, because the levels in it are fairly abstract -- you generally just lose your best units for a while for various reasons. |
| 500 | ** You get Shin Getter Robo and Mazinkaiser for the first few missions, but during a time jump, you are forced to ship them back home for repairs. In the ''[[VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsOriginalGeneration Original Generation]]'' games, your characters generally keep their better units, though in some cases they have to go and pick them up out of storage. |
| 501 | ** ''[[VideoGame/SuperRobotWars4 Super Robot Wars Final]]'' allows you to carry everything over to the sequel, ''F Final''. If you don't use that, instead you're given a lump sum of cash to use, and you don't get any of your upgraded units. |
| 502 | ** All five parts of the ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsZ'' series involve at least some spillage, due to being released across three different platforms and two console generations: most characters that appear in multiple games keep all of their more powerful robots and weapons, but all of your money and pilot upgrades are gone, and everyone's back to level 1. The ''Z2'' and ''Z3'' games, which are each split into two parts on the same console, ''do'' give you extra cash and other bonuses depending on how many times you cleared the first half, with rewards for up to ten NewGamePlus cycles. |
| 503 | ** In ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsAlpha'' you get Mazinkaiser and Shin Getter Robo, so in each subsequent game they have to come up with various excuses as to why the characters downgraded to Mazinger Z and Getter Robo G at the start of the next game. Such explanations included correcting a power imbalance or undergoing maintenance when the team gets sent to the future. |
| 504 | ** ''Alpha 2'' uses a ContinuityNod explanation: in the previous game, the bad guys managed to pull a GrandTheftPrototype on Mazinkaiser, and the heroes recovered it by exploiting a flaw (a blind spot created by its [[MechaExpansionPack flight pack]]). At the start of ''Alpha 2'', you get Kaiser but not the flight pack, since Professor Yumi is trying to remove said blind spot so future villains can't exploit it themselves. ''Alpha 3'' continues this train of nods as you keep the ''Alpha 2''-era Kaiser and Shin Getter, but they are recalled early on; Kaiser to regain his Scrander and Shin Getter to fix a massive power imbalance. |
| 505 | ** In ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars30'', Amuro and Kamille start the game with the original RX-78-2 Gundam and the RX-178 Gundam Mk-II since the Nu Gundam and Zeta Gundam are locked away. However, partway through, they find out that the two have gone ''missing'', forcing them to upgrade to the Mass Produced Nu Gundam and the Full Armor Mk-II in the meantime before they figure out where the Nu and Zeta disappeared to. |
| 506 | * Downplayed in ''VideoGame/SwordOfTheStars II: Lords of Winter''. While you won't be starting it with antimatter-powered dreadnoughts and all the endgame goodness of the first title, you will still get cruisers and fusion to start. |
| 507 | * ''VideoGame/PokemonConquest'' plays this trope [[PlayingWithATrope in a spiral]]. |
| 508 | ** After completing the game's initial story mode, you unlock the ability to play episodes for everyone with a golden background on the team menus. If, in any of these episodes, you recruit a Warrior whom you (a) recruited in previous gameplay AND (b) used in at least one battle to register to your gallery, they will have all of the Pokémon with which they have formed Links; however, their Link levels will be reduced to be equivalent to what you would expect when you recruited them. This is purely for RuleOfFun, as none of these episodes directly follow from one another, many of them actually ''contradict'' each other, and some of them actually assume the initial story never happened. |
| 509 | ** If a Warlord (a Warrior with the aforesaid golden background) has undergone [[CostumeEvolution Warrior transformation]], there is an additional prerequisite to being able to use them again; you must use them in another battle to register their higher-rank self in the Gallery. If not, [[AllForNothing you'll have to Rank them up again the next time you have the opening to recruit them]]. Worse, if that transformation happened immediately after making a Link with a new Pokémon, or was promptly followed by their Pokémon evolving, said Link or evolution will ''also'' be lost. |
| 510 | ** As [=NPCs=], the game generally assumes that nobody undergoes transformation and nobody has any Links carrying over. However, there are a few exceptions: several episodes (including the initial story) have [[BigBad Nobunaga]] at Rank II, while a few others appear to take place after the initial story and have your player character (now an NPC opponent) at Rank II after transforming in said story. [[ThatOneBoss They tend to be the hardest opponents in the episodes they appear]]. In the final episode, where you play directly as your player character again, ''[[FromBadToWorse every ruling Warlord]]'' is at Rank II. Alas, if you recruit a Rank II Warlord who ''you'' haven't transformed to Rank II, they use your Gallery data or otherwise start from Rank I all the same. |
| 511 | [[/folder]] |
| 512 | |
| 513 | [[folder:Turn-Based Tactics]] |
| 514 | * Justified in the ''VideoGame/{{XCOM}}'' series; while the games are sequential each game holds a different threat altogether from the last. For example, the second game has you fighting an invasion underwater where all your weaponry and vehicles developed for land and air combat are useless. |
| 515 | ** Even then, some of the equipment mentioned in the second game reference research from the first game as a prerequisite - Even more so, there is a considerable time gap between the games. The [[VideoGame/XCOMApocalypse third game]] has some of the weapons from the first game (improved or repurposed). The laser rifle is basically standard equipment, apart from that there are elerium-based plasma weapons. All this put together made some veterans of the first game(s) unhappy thanks to the game being easier (you start with laughable equipment and soldiers in both 1 and 2). Of course, the aliens are considerably more powerful as you progress the game, quickly getting back to the point where the basic armour is almost ignored. The fourth game runs some time between [[VideoGame/XCOMTerrorFromTheDeep 2]] and 3 but is space fighter-based instead of ground troop-based, so the equipment is understandably different. |
| 516 | ** This trope is handled in a rather unusual way in ''VideoGame/XCOM2'', following on from ''VideoGame/XCOMEnemyUnknown.'' ''XCOM 2'' takes place in a world where the first XCOM project to repulse the alien invasion ended in an early, utter failure. All those great weapons you built in the first game? AllJustADream, nothing more than decades of combat simulations playing out in your head as the aliens mine your thoughts for tactics. You start over with the basic ballistic weapons because that's all LaResistance has left. |
| 517 | * Usually in full force in the ''VideoGame/JaggedAlliance'' series. You don't keep any weapons or money, and neither do your mercenaries keep their increased levels and skills between games. At least between ''[=JA1=]'' and 2, it's not clear if you're even the same commander. Averted with the ''[=JA2=]'' expansion ''Unfinished Business'', which had a feature allowing you to import your mercenaries and their stats from the previous game, though not their equipment. Doing so, though, made the game ramp up the difficulty due to your powerful mercenaries. |
| 518 | * ''VideoGame/HardWest'' is divided in eight scenarios, usually following different protagonists. Warren and the Undertaker, the two main protagonists, are played in several of them, but they lose their items, gold, and permanent buffs. |
| 519 | [[/folder]] |
| 520 | |
| 521 | [[folder:Visual Novel]] |
| 522 | * Averted in the ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' series. Phoenix Wright manages to avoid losing the Magatama between the second and third games, and then over the seven years between the third and fourth. It's [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] in the first case of the second game, wherein Phoenix loses all his phone contacts after suffering amnesia for most of the case. |
| 523 | * All the recipes you discover in ''VideoGame/CoffeeTalk'' aren't carried over to Episode 2 because the Barista had their phone serviced a month before the events of the latter. |
| 524 | [[/folder]] |
| 525 | |
| 526 | [[folder:Web Game]] |
| 527 | * ''Videogame/LuckyTower'': At the end of ''Lucky Tower II'' (which is actually a prequel to the first game), when picking the door that will bring you to the tower from the first game, Von Wanst loses all the armor, weapons and shields he purchased, restoring him back to what he started with. |
| 528 | * ''VideoGame/NexusClash'' has a rare MMORPG example in that characters are reset back to starting levels and equipment every Breath of Creation (every 2-3 real-life years in practice). This is a deliberate move to make it less likely to [[ForumSpeak suffer newbies poorly]] or become PerpetuallyStatic. Since the lore is based on an EternalRecurrence, the dev team also felt the need for that to be [[SlidingScaleOfGameplayAndStoryIntegration actually reflected]] in game terms from time to time. |
| 529 | * The ''VideoGame/EpicBattleFantasy'' series has some justified examples: |
| 530 | ** ''VideoGame/EpicBattleFantasy3'', when the heroes[[note]]And the final boss of the last game [[HeelFaceTurn turned good]][[/note]] accidentally unleashed(read: poked) an EldritchAbomination who drained most of their power and leaving their equipments scattered around the world. |
| 531 | ** ''VideoGame/EpicBattleFantasy5'' is a full-on ContinuityReboot, with Matt in particular being characterized as a shut-in who is just barely going outside for the first time in ages because of the story being kicked off, so he is naturally not the strongest person at first. [[spoiler:It is further revealed that the final boss has been rebooting the universe multiple times (once per game), also resetting the heroes' stats each time.]] |
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| 535 | * Despite ''VideoGame/RedDeadRedemptionUndeadNightmare'' starting late in the course of the game, John Marston starts only with his basic guns. |
| 536 | * Justified in ''VideoGame/{{Infamous 2}}'': the fight against the Beast leaves Cole drained, causing him to lose most of his powers. Thankfully, he retains his [[NotQuiteFlight Static Thrusters]] and [[GrindBoots Induction Grind]]. |
| 537 | * ''VideoGame/SaintsRow'': |
| 538 | ** ''VideoGame/SaintsRowTheThird'' uses and justifies this trope. The first mission is ATasteOfPower because it takes place in Stilwater, a city the Saints seized control of over the course of the previous two games. The game proper begins with [[PlayerCharacter the Boss]] skydiving into the city of Steelport with nothing but the clothes on his/her back and a top-of-the-line smartphone. Justified in the lack of funds and general resources upon arriving in the new city (and the Stilwater Saints gradually ship more and more resources in over the course of the game, including a few tanks), but not in the lack of upgrades gained in previous installments. |
| 539 | ** ''VideoGame/SaintsRowIV'' also justifies the trope: as President of the US, the Boss has access to weapons concealed in the Oval Office. After being abducted by the Zin and thrown into a LotusEaterMachine, though, s/he loses their weapons and is forced into unflattering clothing. The Boss has to hack the simulation to get better clothes, weapons, and superpowers. |
| 540 | * ''VideoGame/DeadRising2: Off the Record'' justifies this trope with Frank West: a combination of age and living a cushy life during his FifteenMinutesOfFame have made him soft by the time the game starts five years after the first game. However, in ''Case West'', Frank is packing all his moves from the first game. By the time of ''VideoGame/DeadRising4'', however, Frank has been slacking off on his exercise while trying to get the truth of the outbreaks out, so he's back to level 1 again. |
| 541 | * The 3-D and HD entries in the ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAuto'' franchise have an internal version of this involving vehicles. Often called the "disappearing vehicle glitch", it is common for vehicles driven by a player to vanish if the player goes too far away from them, or disappear completely due to a mission being triggered that requires the use of another vehicle. For random vehicles stolen by the player, or for the respawning default vehicles provided in ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoIV'' and ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoV'', it's not a big deal, but it is also possible to lose unique/hard-to-find vehicles and vehicles the player has spent a lot of in-game money sprucing up and/or upgrading. ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas'' tried a workaround by having some vehicles impounded by police when they vanished, and available for recovery later for a fee, but this feature was never actually announced so many players didn't know about it. |
| 542 | * ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas'' has two missions that permanently deprive the player of '''all''' their previously-obtained weapons. Those two missions are [[spoiler:"The Green Sabre", which ends with a DirtyCop arresting the player character and confiscating all of his weapons, and "The Da Nang Thing", where the player character ends up in a helicopter crash that incinerates any weapon that isn't a knife.]] And no, you can't get any of them back. |
| 543 | * ''VideoGame/HorizonForbiddenWest'': When Varl catches up to Aloy in the game's beginning, he notes that she's 'traveling light' and she states that she ran into [[NoodleIncident some trouble along the way]], having lost most of her gear and high-quality weapons, reducing her weaponry to just a basic hunting bow and spear. She's also so banged up that she only has about 200 Health points after she fixes some scrapes and bruises she got. She does still have the [[ArmorOfInvincibility Shield Weaver armour]] on, but its Hard Light shield abilities aren't working ([[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome the batteries ran out between games and Aloy had no way to recharge or replace them]]). She also didn't retrieve Sylen's spear from when she'd killed HADES, and it crumbles to dust when she finds it. |
| 544 | * Played in an interesting way in ''VideoGame/ScarfaceTheWorldIsYours''. At the beginning of the game, Tony is forced into exile and loses access to all of the resources he acquired in [[Film/Scarface1983 the original movie]]; this is represented by Tony's reputation, exotics, turf, balls, drugs, and cash numbers dropping from fairly powerful levels all the way to nil at the end of the first mission. |
| 545 | * ''VideoGame/JustCause4'': |
| 546 | ** Done so bluntly and briefly it has to a joke: after getting [[TheWorfEffect worfed]] but Project Illapa in the ActionPrologue, Rico looses his grapple hook, wingsuit, and parachute - such a downgrade that he comments having no grapple feels like missing an arm. He gets them back maybe two minutes of gameplay later when he reaches a toolbox. (It's really just a way to force the player through a ground traversal tutorial and avoid some CutsceneDrop.) |
| 547 | ** Otherwise it's averted. Every gear mod from the [[VideoGame/JustCause3 previous game]] you'd expect Rico to retain (things like grapple re-reel, wingsuit airbrake, aim down sights, and so on) are part of his arsenal from the start. |
| 548 | * ''VideoGame/DragonQuest'': |
| 549 | ** Justified in the ''Erdrick Trilogy''. Several generations pass between games, which is because the Descendant of Erdrick in ''VideoGame/DragonQuestI'' has to gather the pieces of armor which Erdrick found in ''VideoGame/DragonQuestIII''; and in turn the heroes of ''VideoGame/DragonQuestII'' must collect the pieces of armor which their grandfather hid and entrusted other people with. |
| 550 | ** ''VideoGame/DragonQuestIV'': |
| 551 | *** Downplayed; the game at least retains everyone's equipment and items between chapters, including those in the shared inventory. Money, on the other hand, is not retained. As a result, savvy players will, when a chapter is about to end, spend as much money as possible to fill inventory slots with expensive items. For Chapters 2 and 3, where the Casino is accessible, buying up lots of tokens is highly recommended. Naturally, though, in Chapter 3 (where it's possible to accumulate fairly outlandish sums of money through Torneko's shop, on account of his wife's uncanny ability to sell any item for significantly more than it's actually worth), the price for casino tokens is dramatically higher than normal. |
| 552 | *** Hilariously invoked at the start of Chapter 5. Even if you ended Chapter 4 with tons of money, Maya and Meena will have none because, apparently, the former goes through money like water. |
| 553 | ** ''VideoGame/DragonQuestBuilders'': Justified. The Dragonlord's magic has wiped away humanity's knowledge and ability to create, which is why you lose some of your crafting recipes between chapters. The ones you retain are altered to use resources available in the new region. |
| 554 | ** The Builder has to leave behind their stuff at the Isle of Awakening when they head to a new story-focused island in ''VideoGame/DragonQuestBuilders2'' (barring equipped armor, weapons, and all their tools). Thankfully you get it all back when you return, and the player can freely take items between all completed and non story island. |
| 555 | * ''VideoGame/MiddleEarthShadowOfWar'' starts with Talion and Celebrimbor missing several core abilities from [[VideoGame/MiddleEarthShadowOfMordor the previous game]], particularly Branding. Justified as Celebrimbor says he put a good deal of his LifeEnergy into forging the new Ring of Power, which Shelob has immediately stolen from you, meaning the pair are missing a good deal of their supernatural power. |
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