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** The debut of the show came just as the [[http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/10/12/national/crime-legal/family-seeks-damages-suicide-16-year-old-member-agriculture-promotion-idol-group/ suicide of a 16-year-old regional idol]] (from Ehime Prefecture in Shikoku) made the news when her parents sued her management for abusive behavior, including for extortionate threats when she decided to leave the group. With that, Kotaro's constant physical and verbal smackdowns of the girls--PlayedForLaughs almost exclusively--may become harder for viewers to swallow.

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** The debut of the show came just as the [[http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/10/12/national/crime-legal/family-seeks-damages-suicide-16-year-old-member-agriculture-promotion-idol-group/ suicide of a 16-year-old regional idol]] (from Ehime Prefecture in Shikoku) made the news when her parents sued her management for abusive behavior, including for extortionate threats when she decided to leave the group. With that, Kotaro's constant physical and verbal smackdowns of the girls--PlayedForLaughs almost exclusively--may girls--exclusively PlayedForLaughs --may become harder for viewers to swallow.
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Kotaro is either loved for his hamminess and HiddenDepths or utterly hated for his sociopathic tendencies and general unpleasantness.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Kotaro is either loved for his hamminess and HiddenDepths HiddenDepths, or utterly hated for his sociopathic tendencies and the general unpleasantness.unpleasantness he puts on as a manager.
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** Though in general many people predicted correctly at least the gist of how most of Franchouchou died in life, the biggest reveal so far that was popularly guessed came in the first season finale: [[spoiler:Kotaro knew Sakura in some way, having attended the same school.]]
** Ever since the last episodes of Season 1, a popular fan theory suggests that the zombification backstory and the [[spoiler:New Jofuku Bartender]] are derived from the Chinese court sorcerer [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xu_Fu Xu Fu]] (a historical figure who tried to search for the elixir of life). It was expected that Xu Fu (or "Jofuku", as spelled in Japanese) plays an important role in this anime's setting; perhaps he might be referenced directly, he is probably connected to the [[spoiler:Bartender]], or perhaps he is the latter's real identity. Most of these theories were proven true when [[spoiler:Episode 8 of ''Revenge'' credits the role of the Bartender's voice actor as "Jofuku"]].

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* GatewaySeries: The anime has led a number of Western fans to take an interest in other idol series. [[WebVideo/MothersBasement Geoffrey Thew]] actually stated in his review of season 1 that it inspired him to take another look at Franchise/LoveLive and Franchise/TheIdolMaster anime series which he originally panned.

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* GatewaySeries: The anime has led a number of Western fans to take an interest in other idol series. [[WebVideo/MothersBasement Geoffrey Thew]] actually stated in his review of season 1 that it inspired him to take another look at Franchise/LoveLive ''Franchise/LoveLive'' and Franchise/TheIdolMaster ''Franchise/TheIdolMaster'' anime series which he originally panned.



*** In the film, Bill Murray uses his Hollywood makeup skills to blend in with the zombies. Now in the show, Kotaro uses his Hollywood makeup skills to make the zombies blend in with the humans.

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*** In the film, Bill Murray Creator/BillMurray uses his Hollywood makeup skills to blend in with the zombies. Now in the show, Kotaro uses his Hollywood makeup skills to make the zombies blend in with the humans.



*** And it all finally comes to fruition, as the Japanese release of ''Zombieland''’s sequel is being promoted… with the help of ''Zombie Land Saga''. To the point where they made a special version of the movie poster, with the zombies replaced with all 7 members of Franchouchou.

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*** And it all finally comes to fruition, as the Japanese release of ''Zombieland''’s ''Zombieland''[='=]s sequel is being promoted… with the help of ''Zombie Land Saga''. To the point where they made a special version of the movie poster, with the zombies replaced with all 7 members of Franchouchou.



** A ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'' sketch from the season 1 episode "The Deep End" features a spoof of ''Series/AmericanIdol'' called ''Zombie Idol''. ''ZLS'' is basically this.



* UncertainAudience: The GenreRoulette aspects of the series make it unclear for some who the target audience is meant to be. In the first few episodes, there are plenty of moments that go fairly hard on the inherent Horror theme of zombies being gross, decayed corpses, yet an equal amount of moments frame the fact comedically; so the initial impression of ZLS was that it aimed to be horror-comedy. The showrunners also went deep into the Idol parody aspect, where the girls participated in a litany of musical genres including heavy metal and rap music with very comedy heavy episodes framing these events. But then that mostly disappears aside from various gags in future episodes. Said aspect is what initially drew in most viewers, but many were surprised to see the show start taking it's role as an Idol anime more seriously as it went on. Of course, some still enjoy the show for its unique mix of all the above, but others believe that not sticking to one direction over the other weakens the experience.

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* UncertainAudience: The GenreRoulette aspects of the series make it unclear for some who the target audience is meant to be. In the first few episodes, there are plenty of moments that go fairly hard on the inherent Horror theme of zombies being gross, decayed corpses, yet an equal amount of moments frame the fact comedically; so the initial impression of ZLS ''ZLS'' was that it aimed to be horror-comedy. The showrunners also went deep into the Idol parody aspect, where the girls participated in a litany of musical genres including heavy metal and rap music with very comedy heavy episodes framing these events. But then that mostly disappears aside from various gags in future episodes. Said aspect is what initially drew in most viewers, but many were surprised to see the show start taking it's its role as an Idol anime more seriously as it went on. Of course, some still enjoy the show for its unique mix of all the above, but others believe that not sticking to one direction over the other weakens the experience.
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** Creator/RiccoFajardo's work as Kotaro is frequently praised as one of the best English performances, making almost every line of his an abosulute riot to listen to.

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** Creator/RiccoFajardo's work as Kotaro is frequently praised as one of the best English performances, making almost every line of his an abosulute absolute riot to listen to.
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A) You can't downplay YMMV. B) The very uncertain wording makes me think this isn't a very dominate point of contention


* BrokenBase: Downplayed. For a small, non-vocal percentage of watchers, the Yugiri two-parter flashback in ''Revenge'' is considered out-of-place/too much of a GenreShift (from an idol show to a semi-political PeriodPiece). Some have claimed it breaks suspension of disbelief, makes viewers wonder why they're supposed to care for these new characters, and/or that the supposed ZLS girls' lookalikes are simply a cheap way to remind viewers what show they're watching.
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** Junko's shy, social awkwardness makes her very endearing to fans due to the humor that's derived from it. She also has a some very sweet interactions with those closest to her like Ai and Sakura, especially the former.

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** Junko's shy, social awkwardness makes her very endearing to fans due to the humor that's derived from it. She also has a some very sweet interactions with those closest to her like Ai and Sakura, especially the former.Sakura.
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* UncertainAudience: The GenreRoulette aspects of the series make it unclear for some who the target audience is meant to be. In the first few episodes, there are plenty of moments that go fairly hard on the inherent Horror theme of zombies being gross, decayed corpses, yet an equal amount of moments frame the fact comedically; so the initial impression of ZLS was that it aimed to be horror-comedy. The showrunners also went deep into the Idol parody aspect, where the girls participated in a litany of musical genres including heavy metal and rap music with very comedy heavy episodes framing these events. But then that disappears aside from one or two gags in future episodes. Said aspect is what initially drew in most viewers, but many were surprised to see the show start taking it's role as an Idol anime more seriously as it went on. Of course, some still enjoy the show for its unique mix of all the above, but others believe that not sticking to one direction over the other weakens the experience.

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* UncertainAudience: The GenreRoulette aspects of the series make it unclear for some who the target audience is meant to be. In the first few episodes, there are plenty of moments that go fairly hard on the inherent Horror theme of zombies being gross, decayed corpses, yet an equal amount of moments frame the fact comedically; so the initial impression of ZLS was that it aimed to be horror-comedy. The showrunners also went deep into the Idol parody aspect, where the girls participated in a litany of musical genres including heavy metal and rap music with very comedy heavy episodes framing these events. But then that mostly disappears aside from one or two various gags in future episodes. Said aspect is what initially drew in most viewers, but many were surprised to see the show start taking it's role as an Idol anime more seriously as it went on. Of course, some still enjoy the show for its unique mix of all the above, but others believe that not sticking to one direction over the other weakens the experience.
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Kotaro is either loved for his hamminess and HiddenDepths or utterly hated for his sociopathic tendencies and general unpleasantness.
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* UncertainAudience: The GenreRoulette aspects of the series make it unclear for some who the target audience is meant to be. In the first few episodes, there are plenty of moments that go fairly hard on the inherent Horror theme of zombies being gross, decayed corpses, yet an equal amount of moments frame the fact comedically; so the initial impression of ZLS was that it aimed to be horror-comedy. The showrunners also went deep into the Idol parody aspect, where the girls participated in a litany of musical genres including heavy metal and rap music with very comedy heavy episodes framing these events. But then that disappears aside from one or two gags in future episodes. Said aspect is what initially drew in most viewers, but many were surprised to see the show start taking it's role as an Idol anime more seriously as it went on. Of course, some still enjoy the show for it's unique mix of all the above, but others believe that not sticking to one direction over the other weakens the experience.

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* UncertainAudience: The GenreRoulette aspects of the series make it unclear for some who the target audience is meant to be. In the first few episodes, there are plenty of moments that go fairly hard on the inherent Horror theme of zombies being gross, decayed corpses, yet an equal amount of moments frame the fact comedically; so the initial impression of ZLS was that it aimed to be horror-comedy. The showrunners also went deep into the Idol parody aspect, where the girls participated in a litany of musical genres including heavy metal and rap music with very comedy heavy episodes framing these events. But then that disappears aside from one or two gags in future episodes. Said aspect is what initially drew in most viewers, but many were surprised to see the show start taking it's role as an Idol anime more seriously as it went on. Of course, some still enjoy the show for it's its unique mix of all the above, but others believe that not sticking to one direction over the other weakens the experience.
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** Creator/RiccoFajardo's work as Kotaro is frequently praised as one of the best English performances, making almost every line of his an abosulute riot to listen to.

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** Tae's already awake and is either pretending to be unawakened, or was that way even when alive, possibly because she originally came from prehistory.
** The wild theory that ''Tae has the brain of a dog'', or part of one, based off of her InterspeciesFriendship with Romero and her sometimes-animalistic, dog-like behavior. Some even thought that perhaps her brain and Romero's were switched around somehow during the zombie-making process, though Yugiri's backstory episodes disprove this; [[spoiler: Romero was around as a zombie dog well before Tae was even born]].

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** Tae's already awake and is either pretending to be unawakened, or was that way even when alive, possibly because she originally came from prehistory.
** The wild theory that ''Tae has the brain of a dog'', or part of one, based off of her InterspeciesFriendship with Romero and her sometimes-animalistic, dog-like behavior. Some even thought that perhaps her brain and Romero's were switched around somehow during the zombie-making process, though Yugiri's backstory episodes disprove this; [[spoiler: Romero was around as a zombie dog well before Tae was even born]]. The end of ''Gaiden'' muddies this with the reveal that [[spoiler:the real Tae's personality is likely dead for good, as her undead body is now possessed by the spirit of her dead sister, resulting in zombie Tae's animalistic behavior]].



** For some, the implication of Kotaro's [[AmbiguousSituation (potential)]] romantic feelings toward [[spoiler:Sakura]] are uncomfortable to think about, even though he doesn't seem to be trying to pursue them. While [[spoiler:the two did know each other while Sakura was alive]], presently she's physically a teenager in undeath while Kotaro is at least a decade older than her. That's not to mention how Kotaro is her ''boss'' which creates a problematic dynamic.

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** For some, the implication of Kotaro's [[AmbiguousSituation (potential)]] romantic feelings toward [[spoiler:Sakura]] are uncomfortable to think about, even though he doesn't seem to be trying to pursue them. While [[spoiler:the two did know each other while Sakura was alive]], presently she's physically a teenager in undeath while Kotaro is at least a decade older than her. That's not to mention how Kotaro is her ''boss'' which creates would create a problematic dynamic.
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YMMV tropes can't be played with it.


* HypeBacklash: Downplayed, as the series hasn't become unpopular. When Zombie Land Saga first premiered, it was met with universal praise, acclaim and interest from anime fans who were drawn to the interesting concept and the rather unique spin of starring zombies as the protagonists as a parody of an Idol group. This popularity escalated after episode 2, where Sakura and Saki engaged in their [[SignatureScene iconic rap battle]]. But for some, when the show began to slowly become a mix of parody elements and conventional Idol anime elements - if still with zombie aspects as well - they began to lose interest.
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** For some, the implication of Kotaro's [[AmbiguousSituation (potential)]] romantic feelings toward [[spoiler:Sakura]], even though he doesn't seem to be trying to pursue anything of the sort. Them [[spoiler:knowing each other while Sakura was alive]] aside, in the present day she's physically a teenager in undeath while Kotaro is at least a decade older now.

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** For some, the implication of Kotaro's [[AmbiguousSituation (potential)]] romantic feelings toward [[spoiler:Sakura]], [[spoiler:Sakura]] are uncomfortable to think about, even though he doesn't seem to be trying to pursue anything of the sort. Them [[spoiler:knowing them. While [[spoiler:the two did know each other while Sakura was alive]] aside, in the present day alive]], presently she's physically a teenager in undeath while Kotaro is at least a decade older now.than her. That's not to mention how Kotaro is her ''boss'' which creates a problematic dynamic.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Misa has had only two episodes with extended screentime, only having about eight minutes or so of any focus. Yet many like her, finding her design and attitude cool, and she receives a respectable amount of fanart and fanfic focus, a lot of which fleshes out her dynamic with Maria.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Misa has had only two episodes with extended screentime, only having about eight minutes or so of any focus. Yet she has many like her, finding fans, the majority of whom find her design and attitude cool, and she receives a respectable amount of fanart and fanfic focus, a lot many of which fleshes flesh out her dynamic with Maria.
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** Lily being a trans girl attracted attention from members and supporters of the LGBT community who overlooked or were unfamiliar with the series after it was revealed in Episode 8.

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** Lily being a trans girl attracted attention from members and supporters of the LGBT community who overlooked or were unfamiliar with the series after it was revealed in Episode 8. And she's continued to be a really popular and fundamental character to the series and longevity, and someone that a lot of trans people find validation in (also because she lends really well to anti-transphobia [[MemeticMutation memes]]).
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Misa has had only two episodes with extended screentime, only having about eight minutes or so of any focus. Yet many like her, finding her design and attitude cool, and she receives a respectable amount of fanart and fanfic focus, a lot of which fleshes out her dynamic with Maria.
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** The wild theory that ''Tae has the brain of a dog'', or part of one, based off of her InterspeciesFriendship with Romero and her sometimes-animalistic, dog-like behavior. Some even thought that perhaps her brain and Romero's were switched around somehow during the zombie-making process, [[spoiler:though Yugiri's backstory episodes disprove this; Romero was around as a zombie dog well before Tae was even born]].

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** The wild theory that ''Tae has the brain of a dog'', or part of one, based off of her InterspeciesFriendship with Romero and her sometimes-animalistic, dog-like behavior. Some even thought that perhaps her brain and Romero's were switched around somehow during the zombie-making process, [[spoiler:though though Yugiri's backstory episodes disprove this; [[spoiler: Romero was around as a zombie dog well before Tae was even born]].
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* HypeBacklash: Downplayed, as the series hasn't become unpopular. When Zombie Land Saga first premiered, it was met with universal praise, acclaim and interest from anime fans who were drawn to the interesting concept and the rather unique spin of starring zombies as the protagonists as a parody of an Idol group. This popularity escalated after episode 2, where Sakura and Saki engaged in their [[SignatureScene iconic rap battle]]. But for some, when the show began to slowly become a mix of parody elements and conventional Idol anime elements - still with zombies - they began to lose interest.

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* HypeBacklash: Downplayed, as the series hasn't become unpopular. When Zombie Land Saga first premiered, it was met with universal praise, acclaim and interest from anime fans who were drawn to the interesting concept and the rather unique spin of starring zombies as the protagonists as a parody of an Idol group. This popularity escalated after episode 2, where Sakura and Saki engaged in their [[SignatureScene iconic rap battle]]. But for some, when the show began to slowly become a mix of parody elements and conventional Idol anime elements - if still with zombies zombie aspects as well - they began to lose interest.
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* {{Woolseyism}}: In episode 4 of ''Revenge'', Ai opens up a boxed lunch Sakura made for her and finds the word "kaba" ("hippo") spelled out in ''nori'' katakana. Then she notices some more ''nori'' suck to the lid of the lunchbox, and realizes [[SignsOfDisrepair the full message actually reads]] "ganbare" ("Go for it!") In the English version, the subtitles translate the incomplete message as "YOU SUC" and the full thing as "YOU'LL SUCCEED".

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* {{Woolseyism}}: In episode 4 of ''Revenge'', Ai opens up a boxed lunch Sakura made for her and finds the word "kaba" ("hippo") spelled out in ''nori'' katakana. Then she notices some more ''nori'' suck stuck to the lid of the lunchbox, and realizes [[SignsOfDisrepair the full message actually reads]] "ganbare" ("Go for it!") In the English version, the subtitles translate the incomplete message as "YOU SUC" and the full thing as "YOU'LL SUCCEED".
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** The wild theory that ''Tae has the brain of a dog'', or part of one, based off of her InterspeciesFriendship with Romero and her sometimes-animalistic, dog-like behavior.

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** The wild theory that ''Tae has the brain of a dog'', or part of one, based off of her InterspeciesFriendship with Romero and her sometimes-animalistic, dog-like behavior. Some even thought that perhaps her brain and Romero's were switched around somehow during the zombie-making process, [[spoiler:though Yugiri's backstory episodes disprove this; Romero was around as a zombie dog well before Tae was even born]].
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** White Ryu reacting to Saki's confession by [[JailbaitWait telling her to try again once she's grown older]] rather than dismissing her outright. Leaving aside the fact that Saki is technically in her forties and the fact that she ''can't'' grow older, for a fifty-something man to say that to a girl who (as far as he knows) is in her teens is... questionable.

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** White Ryu reacting to Saki's confession by [[JailbaitWait telling her to try again once she's grown older]] rather than dismissing her outright. Leaving aside the fact that Saki is technically in her forties and the fact that she ''can't'' grow older, for a fifty-something man to say that to a girl who (as far as he knows) is in her teens is... questionable. Granted, it could be mitigated by the fact that he probably didn't have any expectations for a relationship and treated the CelebCrush for what it appeared to be.
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* GatewaySeries: The anime has led a number of Western fans to take an interest in other idol series. [[WebVideo/MothersBasement Geoffrey Thew]] actually stated in his review of season 1 that it inspired him to take another look at Franshise/LoveLive and Franshise/TheIdolMaster anime series which he originally panned.

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* GatewaySeries: The anime has led a number of Western fans to take an interest in other idol series. [[WebVideo/MothersBasement Geoffrey Thew]] actually stated in his review of season 1 that it inspired him to take another look at Franshise/LoveLive Franchise/LoveLive and Franshise/TheIdolMaster Franchise/TheIdolMaster anime series which he originally panned.
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* GatewaySeries: The anime has led a number of Western fans to take an interest in other idol series.

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* GatewaySeries: The anime has led a number of Western fans to take an interest in other idol series. [[WebVideo/MothersBasement Geoffrey Thew]] actually stated in his review of season 1 that it inspired him to take another look at Franshise/LoveLive and Franshise/TheIdolMaster anime series which he originally panned.
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* UncertainAudience: The GenreRoulette aspects of the series make it unclear who the target audience is meant to be. In the first few episodes, there are plenty of moments that go fairly hard on the inherent Horror theme of zombies being gross, decayed corpses, yet there's an equal amount of moments where their zombie qualities are framed comedically. This gave the initial impression that ZLS was going to be more of a horror comedy. The showrunners also went deep into the Idol parody aspect, where the girls participated in a litany of musical genres including heavy metal and rap music with very comedy heavy episodes framing these events. But then that disappears aside from one or two gags in future episodes. The parody aspect is what initially drew in most viewers, but many were surprised to see the show start taking it's role as an Idol anime more seriously as it went on. Of course, some still enjoy the show for it's unique mix of all the above, but others believe that not sticking to one direction overall the other weakens the experience.

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* UncertainAudience: The GenreRoulette aspects of the series make it unclear for some who the target audience is meant to be. In the first few episodes, there are plenty of moments that go fairly hard on the inherent Horror theme of zombies being gross, decayed corpses, yet there's an equal amount of moments where their zombie qualities are framed comedically. This gave frame the fact comedically; so the initial impression that of ZLS was going that it aimed to be more of a horror comedy.horror-comedy. The showrunners also went deep into the Idol parody aspect, where the girls participated in a litany of musical genres including heavy metal and rap music with very comedy heavy episodes framing these events. But then that disappears aside from one or two gags in future episodes. The parody Said aspect is what initially drew in most viewers, but many were surprised to see the show start taking it's role as an Idol anime more seriously as it went on. Of course, some still enjoy the show for it's unique mix of all the above, but others believe that not sticking to one direction overall over the other weakens the experience.
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* UncertainAudience: The GenreRoulette aspects of the series might not not completely sell the series to some. On one hand, there's plenty of moments that go fairly hard on the inherent Horror theme of zombies being gross, decayed corpses, yet there's an equal amount of moments where their zombie qualities are framed comedically, all while leaning into the Idol aspects as well (both conventional and parody). Some enjoy the show for it's unique mix of all the above, but others believe that not sticking to one direction over the other weakens the experience.

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* UncertainAudience: The GenreRoulette aspects of the series might not not completely sell make it unclear who the series target audience is meant to some. On one hand, there's be. In the first few episodes, there are plenty of moments that go fairly hard on the inherent Horror theme of zombies being gross, decayed corpses, yet there's an equal amount of moments where their zombie qualities are framed comedically, all while leaning comedically. This gave the initial impression that ZLS was going to be more of a horror comedy. The showrunners also went deep into the Idol aspects as well (both conventional parody aspect, where the girls participated in a litany of musical genres including heavy metal and parody). Some rap music with very comedy heavy episodes framing these events. But then that disappears aside from one or two gags in future episodes. The parody aspect is what initially drew in most viewers, but many were surprised to see the show start taking it's role as an Idol anime more seriously as it went on. Of course, some still enjoy the show for it's unique mix of all the above, but others believe that not sticking to one direction over overall the other weakens the experience.
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* AluminumChristmasTrees: Drive-in Tori, the fried chicken restaurant the girls help promote in Episode 5, is a [[http://www.drivein-tori.jp real-life restaurant]], and the jingle they perform is [[http://youtu.be/jCjUWps-Sxo the actual song]]. The same goes for the Kashima Gatalympics in the same episode.
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* BrokenBase: Downplayed. For a very small, non-vocal percentage of watchers, the Yugiri two-parter flashback in ''Revenge'' is considered out-of-place/too much of a GenreShift (from an idol show to a semi-political PeriodPiece). Some have claimed it breaks suspension of disbelief, makes viewers wonder why they're supposed to care for these new characters, and/or that the supposed ZLS girls' lookalikes are simply a cheap way to remind viewers what show they're watching.

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* BrokenBase: Downplayed. For a very small, non-vocal percentage of watchers, the Yugiri two-parter flashback in ''Revenge'' is considered out-of-place/too much of a GenreShift (from an idol show to a semi-political PeriodPiece). Some have claimed it breaks suspension of disbelief, makes viewers wonder why they're supposed to care for these new characters, and/or that the supposed ZLS girls' lookalikes are simply a cheap way to remind viewers what show they're watching.

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