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* IdiotPlot: In Son of the Shadows. The entire conflict concerning Niamh and Ciaran's affair and Fionn's abuse of Niamh could have been averted if Conor, Liam and the men had told Ciaran and Niamh from the start that their love was forbidden because Ciaran was her half-uncle. Liadan calls Conor out on this when she realises it.



** Eamonn the Second [[spoiler: causes the death of Liam, who is like a father to him, and kidnaps and tortures Bran and Gull.]]
** Mac Dara crosses it when he kills [[spoiler: Aidan, Cathal's best friend, and burns Glencarnagh to the ground.]]
** Richard of Northwoods crosses it when he orders his men to [[spoiler: kill Sorcha when she is out gathering starwort. They end up killing John instead, who was guarding Sorcha.]]

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** Eamonn the Second [[spoiler: causes the death of Liam, who is like a father to him, and kidnaps and tortures Bran and Gull.]]
Gull]].
** Mac Dara crosses it when he kills [[spoiler: Aidan, Cathal's best friend, and burns Glencarnagh to the ground.]]
ground]].
** Richard of Northwoods crosses it when he orders his men to [[spoiler: kill Sorcha when she is out gathering starwort. They end up killing John instead, who was guarding Sorcha.]]Sorcha]].
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* MagnificentBastard: Mac Dara. To an unimaginable degree.
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* OfficialCouple: Sorcha/Red, Liadan/Bran, Ciaran/Niamh, Fainne/Darragh, Clodagh/Cathal, Sibeal/Felix, Aisha/Conri, Muirrin/Evan... the list is endless.

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* UselessProtagonist: Fans seem to be divided about Felix. Half of them think that he’s absolutely useless and half say that he gets better towards the end.
** It’s probably because he doesn’t do much physically like the other male protagonists have in past books. He uses his voice, whether it’s telling a story or singing to keep spirits up or debating important matters, because that’s where his strength lies. He still saves people, just not with brute force.

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* UselessProtagonist: Fans seem to be divided about Felix. Half of them think that he’s absolutely useless and half say that he gets better towards the end.
** It’s probably because he doesn’t do much physically like the other male protagonists have in past books. He uses his voice, whether it’s telling a story or singing to keep spirits up or debating important matters, because that’s where his strength lies. He still saves people, just not with brute force.
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* TheDeterminator: Liadan. Despite constantly being told by the Fair Folk and Conor that she cannot have both her lover and her son in her life, she never listens to them and makes her own choices which eventually lead her to a future with both Bran and Johnny in it.
** Also Gull, during the escape from Sidhe Dubh in Son of the Shadows.
** Sorcha, due to her unwillingness to give up her quest to break her brothers' curse, even when threatened with death.
** Clodagh can be counted as well as she refuses to give up on Cathal when he is trapped in the Otherworld and risks her life to rescue him from Mac Dara.



** It’s probably because he doesn’t do much physically like the other male protagonists have in past books. He uses his voice, whether it’s telling a story or singing to keep spirits up or debating important matters, because that’s where his strength lies. He still saves people, just not with brute force.



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** It’s probably because he doesn’t do much physically like the other male protagonists have in past books. He uses his voice, whether it’s telling a story or singing to keep spirits up or debating important matters, because that’s where his strength lies. He still saves people, just not with brute force.


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* AngstWhatAngst: As soon as Sibeal finds a way to bring both halves of herself together, the world is right again.
** Vows? What vows?



* OfficialPairing: Sorcha/Red, Liadan/Bran, Ciaran/Niamh, Fainne/Darragh, Clodagh/Cathal, Sibeal/Felix, Aisha/Conri, Muirrin/Evan... the list is endless.
* MoralEventHorizon: Almost all the villains have one.
** Oonagh's comes when she turns Sorcha's brothers into swans.
** Eamonn the Second [[spoiler: causes the death of Liam, who is like a father to him, and kidnaps and tortures Bran and Gull.]]
** Mac Dara crosses it when he kills [[spoiler: Aidan, Cathal's best friend, and burns Glencarnagh to the ground.]]
** Richard of Northwoods crosses it when he orders his men to [[spoiler: kill Sorcha when she is out gathering starwort. They end up killing John instead, who was guarding Sorcha.]]

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* OfficialPairing: Sorcha/Red, Liadan/Bran, Ciaran/Niamh, Fainne/Darragh, Clodagh/Cathal, Sibeal/Felix, Aisha/Conri, Muirrin/Evan... the list is endless.
* MoralEventHorizon: Almost all the villains have one.
** Oonagh's comes
DracoInLeatherPants: Everyone really likes Knut when she turns Sorcha's brothers into swans.
** Eamonn
he’s pulled from the Second shipwreck. He’s helpful, concerned about everyone’s welfare and even takes part in the fighting challenges on the island. [[spoiler: causes the death of Liam, who is like It’s all a father to him, and kidnaps and tortures Bran and Gull.]]
** Mac Dara crosses it when he kills [[spoiler: Aidan, Cathal's best friend, and burns Glencarnagh to the ground.]]
** Richard of Northwoods crosses it when he orders his men to [[spoiler: kill Sorcha when she is out gathering starwort. They end up killing John instead, who was guarding Sorcha.
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* UselessProtagonist: Fans seem to be divided about Felix. Half of them think that he’s absolutely useless and half say that he gets better towards the end.
** It’s probably because he doesn’t do much physically like the other male protagonists have in past books. He uses his voice, whether it’s telling a story or singing to keep spirits up or debating important matters, because that’s where his strength lies. He still saves people, just not with brute force.
* JerkassWoobie: Clodagh remarks that Cathal is the rudest man she’s ever laid eyes on. Even after Clodagh rescues him from the Otherworld, he maintains some of his jerkass qualities. But it’s clear he’s softened after his journey, particularly where Clodagh is concerned. He becomes a Bruiser with a Soft Center.

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* UselessProtagonist: Fans seem to be divided about Felix. Half of them think that he’s absolutely useless and half say that he gets better towards the end.
** It’s probably because he doesn’t do much physically like the other male protagonists have in past books. He uses his voice, whether it’s telling a story or singing to keep spirits up or debating important matters, because that’s where his strength lies. He still saves people, just not with brute force.
* JerkassWoobie: Clodagh remarks that Cathal is the rudest man she’s ever laid eyes on. Even after Clodagh rescues him from the Otherworld, he maintains some of his jerkass qualities. But it’s clear he’s softened after his journey, particularly where Clodagh is concerned. He becomes a Bruiser with a Soft Center.BruiserWithASoftCenter.



* AngstWhatAngst: As soon as Sibeal finds a way to bring both halves of herself together, the world is right again.
** Vows? What vows?
* DracoInLeatherPants: Everyone really likes Knut when he’s pulled from the shipwreck. He’s helpful, concerned about everyone’s welfare and even takes part in the fighting challenges on the island. [[spoiler: It’s all a façade.]]
* StoicWoobie: Ciaran.

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* AngstWhatAngst: As soon as Sibeal finds a way to bring both halves of herself together, MoralEventHorizon: Almost all the world is right again.
villains have one.
** Vows? What vows?
* DracoInLeatherPants: Everyone really likes Knut
Oonagh's comes when he’s pulled from she turns Sorcha's brothers into swans.
** Eamonn
the shipwreck. He’s helpful, concerned about everyone’s welfare and even takes part in the fighting challenges on the island. Second [[spoiler: It’s all causes the death of Liam, who is like a façade.father to him, and kidnaps and tortures Bran and Gull.]]
** Mac Dara crosses it when he kills [[spoiler: Aidan, Cathal's best friend, and burns Glencarnagh to the ground.]]
** Richard of Northwoods crosses it when he orders his men to [[spoiler: kill Sorcha when she is out gathering starwort. They end up killing John instead, who was guarding Sorcha.]]
* OfficialCouple: Sorcha/Red, Liadan/Bran, Ciaran/Niamh, Fainne/Darragh, Clodagh/Cathal, Sibeal/Felix, Aisha/Conri, Muirrin/Evan... the list is endless.
* StoicWoobie: Ciaran. Also Sorcha in ''Daughter of the Forest''.
* UselessProtagonist: Fans seem to be divided about Felix. Half of them think that he’s absolutely useless and half say that he gets better towards the end.
** It’s probably because he doesn’t do much physically like the other male protagonists have in past books. He uses his voice, whether it’s telling a story or singing to keep spirits up or debating important matters, because that’s where his strength lies. He still saves people, just not with brute force.


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** Clodagh can be counted as well as she refuses to give up on Cathal when he is trapped in the Otherworld and risks her life to rescue him from MacDara.

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** Clodagh can be counted as well as she refuses to give up on Cathal when he is trapped in the Otherworld and risks her life to rescue him from MacDara.Mac Dara.
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* Sorcha, due to her unwillingness to give up her quest to break her brothers' curse, even when threatened with death.
* Clodagh can be counted as well as she refuses to give up on Cathal when he is trapped in the Otherworld and risks her life to rescue him from MacDara.

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* ** Sorcha, due to her unwillingness to give up her quest to break her brothers' curse, even when threatened with death.
* ** Clodagh can be counted as well as she refuses to give up on Cathal when he is trapped in the Otherworld and risks her life to rescue him from MacDara.
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* Sorcha, due to her unwillingness to give up her quest to break her brothers' curse, even when threatened with death.
* Clodagh can be counted as well as she refuses to give up on Cathal when he is trapped in the Otherworld and risks her life to rescue him from MacDara.
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* OneTruePairing: Every protagonist is in one.

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* OneTruePairing: Every protagonist OfficialPairing: Sorcha/Red, Liadan/Bran, Ciaran/Niamh, Fainne/Darragh, Clodagh/Cathal, Sibeal/Felix, Aisha/Conri, Muirrin/Evan... the list is in one.endless.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: Everyone really likes Knut when he’s pulled from the shipwreck. He’s helpful, concerned about everyone’s welfare and even takes part in the fighting challenges on the island. [[spoiler: It’s all a façade.]]

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* DracoInLeatherPants: Everyone really likes Knut when he’s pulled from the shipwreck. He’s helpful, concerned about everyone’s welfare and even takes part in the fighting challenges on the island. [[spoiler: It’s all a façade.]]]]
* StoicWoobie: Ciaran.
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* The original Sevenwaters children are like TheSquad: Liam is TheLeader, Diarmid is TheFriendlySniper, Conor and Finbar are TheCunningLinguist, Sorcha is TheMedic and Padriac is TheEngineer.
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* AngstWhatAngst?: As soon as Sibeal finds a way to bring both halves of herself together, the world is right again.

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* AngstWhatAngst?: AngstWhatAngst: As soon as Sibeal finds a way to bring both halves of herself together, the world is right again.
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* Angst?WhatAngst?: As soon as Sibeal finds a way to bring both halves of herself together, the world is right again.

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* Angst?WhatAngst?: AngstWhatAngst?: As soon as Sibeal finds a way to bring both halves of herself together, the world is right again.
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* Useless Protagonist: Fans seem to be divided about Felix. Half of them think that he’s absolutely useless and half say that he gets better towards the end.

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* Useless Protagonist: UselessProtagonist: Fans seem to be divided about Felix. Half of them think that he’s absolutely useless and half say that he gets better towards the end.



* Jerkass Woobie: Clodagh remarks that Cathal is the rudest man she’s ever laid eyes on. Even after Clodagh rescues him from the Otherworld, he maintains some of his jerkass qualities. But it’s clear he’s softened after his journey, particularly where Clodagh is concerned. He becomes a Bruiser with a Soft Center.
* Magnificent Bastard: Mac Dara. To an unimaginable degree.
* Angst? What Angst?: As soon as Sibeal finds a way to bring both halves of herself together, the world is right again.

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* Jerkass Woobie: JerkassWoobie: Clodagh remarks that Cathal is the rudest man she’s ever laid eyes on. Even after Clodagh rescues him from the Otherworld, he maintains some of his jerkass qualities. But it’s clear he’s softened after his journey, particularly where Clodagh is concerned. He becomes a Bruiser with a Soft Center.
* Magnificent Bastard: MagnificentBastard: Mac Dara. To an unimaginable degree.
* Angst? What Angst?: Angst?WhatAngst?: As soon as Sibeal finds a way to bring both halves of herself together, the world is right again.



* Draco in Leather Pants: Everyone really likes Knut when he’s pulled from the shipwreck. He’s helpful, concerned about everyone’s welfare and even takes part in the fighting challenges on the island. [[spoiler: It’s all a façade.]]

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* Draco in Leather Pants: DracoInLeatherPants: Everyone really likes Knut when he’s pulled from the shipwreck. He’s helpful, concerned about everyone’s welfare and even takes part in the fighting challenges on the island. [[spoiler: It’s all a façade.]]
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* Useless Protagonist: Fans seem to be divided about Felix. Half of them think that he’s absolutely useless and half say that he gets better towards the end.
** It’s probably because he doesn’t do much physically like the other male protagonists have in past books. He uses his voice, whether it’s telling a story or singing to keep spirits up or debating important matters, because that’s where his strength lies. He still saves people, just not with brute force.
* Jerkass Woobie: Clodagh remarks that Cathal is the rudest man she’s ever laid eyes on. Even after Clodagh rescues him from the Otherworld, he maintains some of his jerkass qualities. But it’s clear he’s softened after his journey, particularly where Clodagh is concerned. He becomes a Bruiser with a Soft Center.
* Magnificent Bastard: Mac Dara. To an unimaginable degree.
* Angst? What Angst?: As soon as Sibeal finds a way to bring both halves of herself together, the world is right again.
** Vows? What vows?
* Draco in Leather Pants: Everyone really likes Knut when he’s pulled from the shipwreck. He’s helpful, concerned about everyone’s welfare and even takes part in the fighting challenges on the island. [[spoiler: It’s all a façade.]]
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* IdiotPlot: In Son of the Shadows. The entire conflict concerning Niamh and Ciaran's affair and Fionn's abuse of Niamh could have been averted if Conor, Liam and the men had told Ciaran and Niamh from the start that their love was forbidden because Ciaran was her half-uncle. Liadan calls Conor out on this when she realises it.
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** Niamh always longed for a daughter/ Aisling always longed for a son.
** Sorcha was beloved of her brothers and raised by them/ Finbar was lonely and neglected, and barely knew any of his sisters as they were already grown up and married.
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** Richard of Northwoods crosses it when he orders his men to [[spoiler: kill Sorcha when she is out gathering starwort. They end up killing John instead, who was guarding Sorcha.]]

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** Richard of Northwoods crosses it when he orders his men to [[spoiler: kill Sorcha when she is out gathering starwort. They end up killing John instead, who was guarding Sorcha.]]]]
* FridgeBrilliance: The original Sevenwaters family and the Sevenwaters family in the later books are like mirror images to one another. For example:
** Niamh and Colum had six sons and one daughter/ Sean and Aisling had six daughters and one son.
** Niamh died giving birth to Sorcha/ Aisling almost died giving birth to Finbar.
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** Mac Dara crosses it when he kills [[ spoiler: Aidan, Cathal's best friend, and burns Glencarnagh to the ground.]]

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** Mac Dara crosses it when he kills [[ spoiler: [[spoiler: Aidan, Cathal's best friend, and burns Glencarnagh to the ground.]]
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* MoralEventHorizon: Almost all the villains have one.
** Oonagh's comes when she turns Sorcha's brothers into swans.
** Eamonn the Second [[spoiler: causes the death of Liam, who is like a father to him, and kidnaps and tortures Bran and Gull.]]
** Mac Dara crosses it when he kills [[ spoiler: Aidan, Cathal's best friend, and burns Glencarnagh to the ground.]]
** Richard of Northwoods crosses it when he orders his men to [[spoiler: kill Sorcha when she is out gathering starwort. They end up killing John instead, who was guarding Sorcha.]]
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* OneTruePairing: Every protagonist is in one.

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* OneTruePairing: Every protagonist is in one.one.
* The original Sevenwaters children are like TheSquad: Liam is TheLeader, Diarmid is TheFriendlySniper, Conor and Finbar are TheCunningLinguist, Sorcha is TheMedic and Padriac is TheEngineer.
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* OneTruePairing: Every protagonist is in one.
* The Determinator: Liadan. Despite constantly being told by the Fair Folk and Conor that she cannot have both her lover and her son in her life, she never listens to them and makes her own choices which eventually lead her to a future with both Bran and Johnny in it.
** Also Gull, during the escape from Sidhe Dubh in Son of the Shadows.

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* OneTruePairing: Every protagonist is in one.
* The Determinator:
TheDeterminator: Liadan. Despite constantly being told by the Fair Folk and Conor that she cannot have both her lover and her son in her life, she never listens to them and makes her own choices which eventually lead her to a future with both Bran and Johnny in it.
** Also Gull, during the escape from Sidhe Dubh in Son of the Shadows.Shadows.
* OneTruePairing: Every protagonist is in one.

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* OneTruePairing: Every protagonist is in oneone.
* The Determinator: Liadan. Despite constantly being told by the Fair Folk and Conor that she cannot have both her lover and her son in her life, she never listens to them and makes her own choices which eventually lead her to a future with both Bran and Johnny in it.
**Also Gull, during the escape from Sidhe Dubh in Son of the Shadows.
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OneTruePairing: Every protagonist is in one

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