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* TheUntwist: The reveal that the arrogant, cruel, powerful, and thoroughly suspicious Professor Nalizar [[spoiler:is in fact evil]]. Most readers will immediately dismiss him as an obvious RedHerring (especially readers familiar with [[HarryPotter Professor Snape]]). This is, ultimately, how he manages to [[spoiler:remain undiscovered, at least by anyone with the power to do anything to stop him. After Joel recants his initial suspicion and declares Nalizar a hero, Nalizar knows that he's now truly above suspicion, and the only one who knows different would be ignored if he ever opened his mouth about it]].
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* TheUntwist: The reveal that the arrogant, cruel, powerful, and thoroughly suspicious Professor Nalizar [[spoiler:is in fact evil]]. Most readers will immediately dismiss him as an obvious RedHerring (especially readers familiar with [[HarryPotter [[Franchise/HarryPotter Professor Snape]]). This is, ultimately, how he manages to [[spoiler:remain undiscovered, at least by anyone with the power to do anything to stop him. After Joel recants his initial suspicion and declares Nalizar a hero, Nalizar knows that he's now truly above suspicion, and the only one who knows different would be ignored if he ever opened his mouth about it]].
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* TheUntwist: The reveal that the arrogant, cruel, powerful, and thoroughly suspicious Professor Nalizar [[spoiler:is in fact evil]]. Most GenreSavvy readers will immediately dismiss him as an obvious RedHerring (especially readers familiar with [[HarryPotter Professor Snape]]). This is, ultimately, how he manages to [[spoiler:remain undiscovered, at least by anyone with the power to do anything to stop him. After Joel recants his initial suspicion and declares Nalizar a hero, Nalizar knows that he's now truly above suspicion, and the only one who knows different would be ignored if he ever opened his mouth about it]].
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* TheUntwist: The reveal that the arrogant, cruel, powerful, and thoroughly suspicious Professor Nalizar [[spoiler:is in fact evil]]. Most GenreSavvy readers will immediately dismiss him as an obvious RedHerring (especially readers familiar with [[HarryPotter Professor Snape]]). This is, ultimately, how he manages to [[spoiler:remain undiscovered, at least by anyone with the power to do anything to stop him. After Joel recants his initial suspicion and declares Nalizar a hero, Nalizar knows that he's now truly above suspicion, and the only one who knows different would be ignored if he ever opened his mouth about it]].
* UnfortunateImplications: The story is set in an alternate US as settlers are pushing back chalk monsters, which are based on stereotypes of Native Americans established during colonial times. The narrative is that the natives of the land were violent savages deserving of being killed and ethnically cleansed. The connection becomes explicit when Sanderson actually used a woman who was captured during a war in real life, Mary Rowaldson as a character in-story, here kidnapped by chalkings. http://coppermind.net/wiki/Mary_Rowlandson
** While there could still be a twist coming, this is still an alternate America where the natives are [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]], who European settlers have contained in a reservation named for a state that in our universe, gets its name from the Otoe people.
* UnfortunateImplications: The story is set in an alternate US as settlers are pushing back chalk monsters, which are based on stereotypes of Native Americans established during colonial times. The narrative is that the natives of the land were violent savages deserving of being killed and ethnically cleansed. The connection becomes explicit when Sanderson actually used a woman who was captured during a war in real life, Mary Rowaldson as a character in-story, here kidnapped by chalkings. http://coppermind.net/wiki/Mary_Rowlandson
** While there could still be a twist coming, this is still an alternate America where the natives are [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]], who European settlers have contained in a reservation named for a state that in our universe, gets its name from the Otoe people.
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* TheUntwist: The reveal that the arrogant, cruel, powerful, and thoroughly suspicious Professor Nalizar [[spoiler:is in fact evil]]. Most GenreSavvy readers will immediately dismiss him as an obvious RedHerring (especially readers familiar with [[HarryPotter Professor Snape]]). This is, ultimately, how he manages to [[spoiler:remain undiscovered, at least by anyone with the power to do anything to stop him. After Joel recants his initial suspicion and declares Nalizar a hero, Nalizar knows that he's now truly above suspicion, and the only one who knows different would be ignored if he ever opened his mouth about it]].
* UnfortunateImplications: The story is set in an alternate US as settlers are pushing back chalk monsters, which are based on stereotypes of Native Americans established during colonial times. The narrative is that the natives of the land were violent savages deserving of being killed and ethnically cleansed. The connection becomes explicit when Sanderson actually used a woman who was captured during a war in real life, Mary Rowaldson as a character in-story, here kidnapped by chalkings. http://coppermind.net/wiki/Mary_Rowlandson
** While there could still be a twist coming, this is still an alternate America where the natives are [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]], who European settlers have contained in a reservation named for a state that in our universe, gets its name from the Otoe people.it]].
* UnfortunateImplications: The story is set in an alternate US as settlers are pushing back chalk monsters, which are based on stereotypes of Native Americans established during colonial times. The narrative is that the natives of the land were violent savages deserving of being killed and ethnically cleansed. The connection becomes explicit when Sanderson actually used a woman who was captured during a war in real life, Mary Rowaldson as a character in-story, here kidnapped by chalkings. http://coppermind.net/wiki/Mary_Rowlandson
** While there could still be a twist coming, this is still an alternate America where the natives are [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]], who European settlers have contained in a reservation named for a state that in our universe, gets its name from the Otoe people.
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* TheUntwist: The reveal that the arrogant, cruel, powerful, and thoroughly suspicious Professor Nalizar [[spoiler:is in fact evil]]. Most GenreSavvy readers will immediately dismiss him as an obvious RedHerring (especially readers familiar with [[HarryPotter Professor Snape]]). This is, ultimately, how he manages to [[spoiler:remain undiscovered, at least by anyone with the power to do anything to stop him. After Joel recants his initial suspicion and declares Nalizar a hero, Nalizar knows that he's now truly above suspicion, and the only one who knows different would be ignored if he ever opened his mouth about it]].it]].
* UnfortunateImplications: The story is set in an alternate US as settlers are pushing back chalk monsters, which are based on stereotypes of Native Americans established during colonial times. The narrative is that the natives of the land were violent savages deserving of being killed and ethnically cleansed. The connection becomes explicit when Sanderson actually used a woman who was captured during a war in real life, Mary Rowaldson as a character in-story, here kidnapped by chalkings. http://coppermind.net/wiki/Mary_Rowlandson
** While there could still be a twist coming, this is still an alternate America where the natives are [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]], who European settlers have contained in a reservation named for a state that in our universe, gets its name from the Otoe people.
* UnfortunateImplications: The story is set in an alternate US as settlers are pushing back chalk monsters, which are based on stereotypes of Native Americans established during colonial times. The narrative is that the natives of the land were violent savages deserving of being killed and ethnically cleansed. The connection becomes explicit when Sanderson actually used a woman who was captured during a war in real life, Mary Rowaldson as a character in-story, here kidnapped by chalkings. http://coppermind.net/wiki/Mary_Rowlandson
** While there could still be a twist coming, this is still an alternate America where the natives are [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]], who European settlers have contained in a reservation named for a state that in our universe, gets its name from the Otoe people.
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* UnfortunateImplications: The story is set in an alternate US as settlers are pushing back chalk monsters, [[http://chiusse.wordpress.com/2013/08/11/the-rithmatist-by-brandon-sanderson-or-your-magic-system-is-terrible-and-you-should-feel-terrible/ which are stand-ins for Native Americans]]. It's arguable this takes the view that the natives of the land were violent savages deserving of being killed and ethnically cleansed from their land.
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** While there could still be a twist coming, this is still an alternate America where the natives are [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]], who European settlers have contained in a reservation named for a state that in our universe, gets its name from the Otoe people.
** While there could still be a twist coming, this is still an alternate America where the natives are [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]], who European settlers have contained in a reservation named for a state that in our universe, gets its name from the Otoe people.
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* UnfortunateImplications: The story is set in an alternate US as settlers are pushing back chalk monsters, [[http://chiusse.wordpress.com/2013/08/11/the-rithmatist-by-brandon-sanderson-or-your-magic-system-is-terrible-and-you-should-feel-terrible/ which are stand-ins for Native Americans.Americans]]. It's arguable this takes the view that the natives of the land were violent savages deserving of being killed and ethnically cleansed from their land. A more thorough review: http://chiusse.wordpress.com/2013/08/11/the-rithmatist-by-brandon-sanderson-or-your-magic-system-is-terrible-and-you-should-feel-terrible/\n** While there could still be a twist coming, this is still an alternate America where the natives are [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]], who European settlers have contained in a reservation named for a state that in our universe, gets its name from the Otoe people.
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The reviews on Sanderson are clear. Fandom doesn\'t mean you say \"fantasy creatures aren\'t real life\" when it\'s clear the author is clearly taking pages from Native-Americans-as-savages literature
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** While there could still be a twist coming, this is still an alternate America where the natives are [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]], who European settlers have contained in a reservation named for a state that in our universe, gets its name from the Otoe people.
** While there could still be a twist coming, this is still an alternate America where the natives are [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]], who European settlers have contained in a reservation named for a state that in our universe, gets its name from the Otoe people.
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* TheUntwist: The reveal that the arrogant, cruel, powerful, and thoroughly suspicious Professor Nalizar [[spoiler:is in fact evil]]. Most GenreSavvy readers will immediately dismiss him as an obvious RedHerring (especially readers familiar with [[HarryPotter Professor Snape]]).
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* TheUntwist: The reveal that the arrogant, cruel, powerful, and thoroughly suspicious Professor Nalizar [[spoiler:is in fact evil]]. Most GenreSavvy readers will immediately dismiss him as an obvious RedHerring (especially readers familiar with [[HarryPotter Professor Snape]]). This is, ultimately, how he manages to [[spoiler:remain undiscovered, at least by anyone with the power to do anything to stop him. After Joel recants his initial suspicion and declares Nalizar a hero, Nalizar knows that he's now truly above suspicion, and the only one who knows different would be ignored if he ever opened his mouth about it]].
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No. The wild chalklings are not Native Americans. They ATE the Native Americans.
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* UnfortunateImplications: The story is set in an alternate US as settlers are pushing back chalk monsters, which are stand-ins for Native Americans. It's arguable this takes the view that the natives of the land were violent savages deserving of being killed and ethnically cleansed from their land. A more thorough review: http://chiusse.wordpress.com/2013/08/11/the-rithmatist-by-brandon-sanderson-or-your-magic-system-is-terrible-and-you-should-feel-terrible/
** While there could still be a twist coming (and knowing Sanderson, there probably is), this is still an alternate America where the natives are [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]], who European settlers have contained in a reservation named for a state that in our universe, gets its name from the Otoe people.
** The Native Americans are peripherally mentioned: they appear to have been mostly wiped out by the chalklings, but many made it to the Aztec empire (here said to be in South America) and are a minority there. It happened so long ago that present day scholars in this world know very little about the original inhabitants of the Isles or the details of what made them flee.
** While there could still be a twist coming (and knowing Sanderson, there probably is), this is still an alternate America where the natives are [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]], who European settlers have contained in a reservation named for a state that in our universe, gets its name from the Otoe people.
** The Native Americans are peripherally mentioned: they appear to have been mostly wiped out by the chalklings, but many made it to the Aztec empire (here said to be in South America) and are a minority there. It happened so long ago that present day scholars in this world know very little about the original inhabitants of the Isles or the details of what made them flee.
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** While there could still be a twist coming (and knowing Sanderson, there probably is), this is still an alternate America where the natives are EldritchAbominations, [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]], who European settlers have contained in a reservation named for a state that in our universe, gets its name from the Otoe people.
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* UnfortunateImplications: The story is set in an alternate US as settlers are pushing back chalk monsters, which are stand-ins for Native Americans. It's Sanderson taking arguable this takes the view that the natives of the land were violent savages deserving of being killed and ethnically cleansed from their land. A more thorough review: http://chiusse.wordpress.com/2013/08/11/the-rithmatist-by-brandon-sanderson-or-your-magic-system-is-terrible-and-you-should-feel-terrible/com/2013/08/11/the-rithmatist-by-brandon-sanderson-or-your-magic-system-is-terrible-and-you-should-feel-terrible/
** While there could still be a twist coming (and knowing Sanderson, there probably is), this is still an alternate America where the natives are EldritchAbominations, who European settlers have contained in a reservation named for a state that in our universe, gets its name from the Otoe people.
** While there could still be a twist coming (and knowing Sanderson, there probably is), this is still an alternate America where the natives are EldritchAbominations, who European settlers have contained in a reservation named for a state that in our universe, gets its name from the Otoe people.
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* UnfortunateImplications: The story is set in an alternate US as settlers are pushing back chalk monsters, which are stand-ins for Native Americans. It's Sanderson taking the view that the natives of the land were violent savages deserving of being killed and ethnically cleansed from their land. A more thorough review: http://chiusse.wordpress.com/2013/08/11/the-rithmatist-by-brandon-sanderson-or-your-magic-system-is-terrible-and-you-should-feel-terrible/com/2013/08/11/the-rithmatist-by-brandon-sanderson-or-your-magic-system-is-terrible-and-you-should-feel-terrible/
* TheUntwist: The reveal that the arrogant, cruel, powerful, and thoroughly suspicious Professor Nalizar [[spoiler:is in fact evil]]. Most GenreSavvy readers will immediately dismiss him as an obvious RedHerring (especially readers familiar with [[HarryPotter Professor Snape]]).
* TheUntwist: The reveal that the arrogant, cruel, powerful, and thoroughly suspicious Professor Nalizar [[spoiler:is in fact evil]]. Most GenreSavvy readers will immediately dismiss him as an obvious RedHerring (especially readers familiar with [[HarryPotter Professor Snape]]).
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