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* HilariousInHindsight: In "The Assassination of Payton Hobart: Part 2", Payton tells River that he looks like ComicBook/{{Superman}}. 4 years later, River's actor Creator/DavidCorenswet gets cast as Superman.
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* HilariousInHindsight: In "The Assassination of Payton Hobart: Part 2", Payton tells River that he looks like ComicBook/Superman. 4 years later, River's actor Creator/DavidCorenswet gets cast as Superman.
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* HilariousInHindsight: In "The Assassination of Payton Hobart: Part 2", Payton tells River that he looks like ComicBook/Superman.ComicBook/{{Superman}}. 4 years later, River's actor Creator/DavidCorenswet gets cast as Superman.
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* HilariousInHindsight: In "The Assassination of Payton Hobart: Part 2", Payton tells River that he looks like ComicBook/Superman. 4 years later, River's actor Creator/DavidCorenswet gets cast as Superman.
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** At one point, Payton makes a bold move by promising to buy up all the guns at a local gun shop and melting them down. The problem is, no matter how rich Payton may be, California law makes it a federal offense to allow the selling, buying, trading or trafficking of firearms to anyone under the age of 21. No matter how much money Payton offered, it wouldn't be enough to make up for the mandatory jail sentence the gun shop owner would face agreeing to this.
** In the last episode, the prospective antagonists for Season 2 are introduced: Tino, the [[spoiler: Senator-elect from Texas, the first Democrat elected to the Senate from Texas, he says, in 25 years, who is already planning on running for President in 2024,]] and Dede Standish, the [[spoiler: complacent, arrogant Majority Leader of the New York State Senate who is up for reelection in the following year, 2023, but hasn't even faced a Republican opponent in six years. After that, she has agreed to be Tino's running mate. She also, it just so happens, is in a throuple, has thoroughly failed the MTA despite being the Chair of the Committee that funds it, and is running an all but nonexistent campaign whose computers run off Windows 99 (again, in 2022, comedically making it completely alien to the protagonists, who were born in roughly 2001 or 2002)]]. After some persuasion and a [[spoiler: PuttingTheBandBackTogether montage, Payton decides to challenge her]]. Two problems here. Because the episode [[spoiler: takes place in late 2022, this means that the campaign between Payton and Standish will take place in 2023]], but New York legislative elections take place in even-numbered years (Presidential and Midterm election years), not odd-numbered years like 2023. Secondly, Tino, perhaps even more to his credit, [[spoiler: is the first Democratic Senator from Texas, at that point in-universe, in 34 years, not 25]], the last victory for the party in a race like that being Lloyd Bentsen's reelection in 1988.
*** An arguable third point concerns [[spoiler: Standish being the State Senate's Majority Leader, as it is implied that she has been in that position for a long time]]. The problem, however, is that the New York Senate, famously, was in Republican hands for decades until 2018. Before then, it had acted as the only bulwark for the relatively weak State GOP against the otherwise monolithic State Democrats. This means that, in real life, [[spoiler: Standish would have only been the Majority Leader for, at most, about four years]].
** At one point, Payton makes a bold move by promising to buy up all the guns at a local gun shop and melting them down. The problem is, no matter how rich Payton may be, California law makes it a federal offense to allow the selling, buying, trading or trafficking of firearms to anyone under the age of 21. No matter how much money Payton offered, it wouldn't be enough to make up for the mandatory jail sentence the gun shop owner would face agreeing to this.
** In the last episode, the prospective antagonists for Season 2 are introduced: Tino, the [[spoiler: Senator-elect from Texas, the first Democrat elected to the Senate from Texas, he says, in 25 years, who is already planning on running for President in 2024,]] and Dede Standish, the [[spoiler: complacent, arrogant Majority Leader of the New York State Senate who is up for reelection in the following year, 2023, but hasn't even faced a Republican opponent in six years. After that, she has agreed to be Tino's running mate. She also, it just so happens, is in a throuple, has thoroughly failed the MTA despite being the Chair of the Committee that funds it, and is running an all but nonexistent campaign whose computers run off Windows 99 (again, in 2022, comedically making it completely alien to the protagonists, who were born in roughly 2001 or 2002)]]. After some persuasion and a [[spoiler: PuttingTheBandBackTogether montage, Payton decides to challenge her]]. Two problems here. Because the episode [[spoiler: takes place in late 2022, this means that the campaign between Payton and Standish will take place in 2023]], but New York legislative elections take place in even-numbered years (Presidential and Midterm election years), not odd-numbered years like 2023. Secondly, Tino, perhaps even more to his credit, [[spoiler: is the first Democratic Senator from Texas, at that point in-universe, in 34 years, not 25]], the last victory for the party in a race like that being Lloyd Bentsen's reelection in 1988.
*** An arguable third point concerns [[spoiler: Standish being the State Senate's Majority Leader, as it is implied that she has been in that position for a long time]]. The problem, however, is that the New York Senate, famously, was in Republican hands for decades until 2018. Before then, it had acted as the only bulwark for the relatively weak State GOP against the otherwise monolithic State Democrats. This means that, in real life, [[spoiler: Standish would have only been the Majority Leader for, at most, about four years]].
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* JustHereForGodzilla: It's generally argued that one of the only reasons to watch this show is to see Creator/BenPlatt play the lead role.
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* JustHereForGodzilla: It's generally argued JustHereForGodzilla: The general consensus is that one of the only reasons to watch this show is to see Creator/BenPlatt play the lead role.
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* JustHereForGodzilla: It's generally argued that one of the only reasons to watch this show is to see Creator/BenPlatt play the lead role in a TV series.
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* InformedAbility: Many people on the show claim that Payton is a great politician. While it is established that Payton has good political ''instincts'' along with a talent for both strategy and microtargeting, he leaves much to be desired as the face of a campaign: he seems unfamiliar with many aspects of campaigning (he makes what is apparently his first barn-burner speech to a crowd only halfway through the second season), he relies heavily on cheap shots and dirty tricks, and Payton himself tends to spend his campaigns lurching from one political or personal disaster to the next.
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* CriticalResearchFailure: At one point, Payton makes a bold move by promising to buy up all the guns at a local gun shop and melting them down. The problem is, no matter how rich Payton may be, California law makes it a federal offense to allow the selling, buying, trading or trafficking of firearms to anyone under the age of 21. No matter how much money Payton offered, it wouldn't be enough to make up for the mandatory jail sentence the gun shop owner would face agreeing to this.
** Two things: One, this is not actually something Payton ever does during the series; it is an (almost certainly intentionally) preposterous campaign promise that is never actually implemented, and the absurdity is, presumably, the point. (After all, regardless of one’s position on gun control, buying the entire stock of a local gun shop, even to destroy the weapons, would only end up profiting the shop and the wider gun industry, which would simply restock and manufacture more guns, respectively.) Two, even if Payton had gone through with this scheme after being elected, it doesn’t seem so clear-cut that any law would have to be broken. Because Payton’s ostensible plan is to have the guns immediately handed over to the police, melted for scrap, and ultimately used as material for an art installation created by another person altogether, there is no reason why Payton, himself, or any other minor, would ever have to be the legal buyer or owner of the guns; Payton’s mother, a school official, or the local police department or municipal government would presumably handle that part. Due to the nature of the scheme, any argument about one of the aforementioned parties being a “straw-purchaser” would also seem to be a non-starter, thus leaving both Payton and the shop owner entirely in the clear, legally.
** Depending on how one views the scene, it's possible this is an intentional in-universe example to show how Payton (who clearly has trouble understanding "normal" things) honestly thinks he can do this without any hassles. Also, given how this is a world where assassination attempts for a ''high school election'' are treated as a common occurrence, expecting pure realism may not work.
** Two things: One, this is not actually something Payton ever does during the series; it is an (almost certainly intentionally) preposterous campaign promise that is never actually implemented, and the absurdity is, presumably, the point. (After all, regardless of one’s position on gun control, buying the entire stock of a local gun shop, even to destroy the weapons, would only end up profiting the shop and the wider gun industry, which would simply restock and manufacture more guns, respectively.) Two, even if Payton had gone through with this scheme after being elected, it doesn’t seem so clear-cut that any law would have to be broken. Because Payton’s ostensible plan is to have the guns immediately handed over to the police, melted for scrap, and ultimately used as material for an art installation created by another person altogether, there is no reason why Payton, himself, or any other minor, would ever have to be the legal buyer or owner of the guns; Payton’s mother, a school official, or the local police department or municipal government would presumably handle that part. Due to the nature of the scheme, any argument about one of the aforementioned parties being a “straw-purchaser” would also seem to be a non-starter, thus leaving both Payton and the shop owner entirely in the clear, legally.
** Depending on how one views the scene, it's possible this is an intentional in-universe example to show how Payton (who clearly has trouble understanding "normal" things) honestly thinks he can do this without any hassles. Also, given how this is a world where assassination attempts for a ''high school election'' are treated as a common occurrence, expecting pure realism may not work.
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* CriticalResearchFailure: At CriticalResearchFailure:
**At one point, Payton makes a bold move by promising to buy up all the guns at a local gun shop and melting them down. The problem is, no matter how rich Payton may be, California law makes it a federal offense to allow the selling, buying, trading or trafficking of firearms to anyone under the age of 21. No matter how much money Payton offered, it wouldn't be enough to make up for the mandatory jail sentence the gun shop owner would face agreeing tothis.
** Two things: One, this is not actually something Payton ever does during the series; it is an (almost certainly intentionally) preposterous campaign promise that is never actually implemented, and the absurdity is, presumably, the point. (After all, regardless of one’s position on gun control, buying the entire stock of a local gun shop, even to destroy the weapons, would only end up profiting the shop and the wider gun industry, which would simply restock and manufacture more guns, respectively.) Two, even if Payton had gone through with this scheme after being elected, it doesn’t seem so clear-cut that any law would have to be broken. Because Payton’s ostensible plan is to have the guns immediately handed over to the police, melted for scrap, and ultimately used as material for an art installation created by another person altogether, there is no reason why Payton, himself, or any other minor, would ever have to be the legal buyer or owner of the guns; Payton’s mother, a school official, or the local police department or municipal government would presumably handle that part. Due to the nature of the scheme, any argument about one of the aforementioned parties being a “straw-purchaser” would also seem to be a non-starter, thus leaving both Payton and the shop owner entirely in the clear, legally.
** Depending on how one views the scene, it's possible this is an intentional in-universe example to show how Payton (who clearly has trouble understanding "normal" things) honestly thinks he can do this without any hassles. Also, given how this is a world where assassination attempts for a ''high school election'' are treated as a common occurrence, expecting pure realism may not work.this.
**At one point, Payton makes a bold move by promising to buy up all the guns at a local gun shop and melting them down. The problem is, no matter how rich Payton may be, California law makes it a federal offense to allow the selling, buying, trading or trafficking of firearms to anyone under the age of 21. No matter how much money Payton offered, it wouldn't be enough to make up for the mandatory jail sentence the gun shop owner would face agreeing to
** Two things: One, this is not actually something Payton ever does during the series; it is an (almost certainly intentionally) preposterous campaign promise that is never actually implemented, and the absurdity is, presumably, the point. (After all, regardless of one’s position on gun control, buying the entire stock of a local gun shop, even to destroy the weapons, would only end up profiting the shop and the wider gun industry, which would simply restock and manufacture more guns, respectively.) Two, even if Payton had gone through with this scheme after being elected, it doesn’t seem so clear-cut that any law would have to be broken. Because Payton’s ostensible plan is to have the guns immediately handed over to the police, melted for scrap, and ultimately used as material for an art installation created by another person altogether, there is no reason why Payton, himself, or any other minor, would ever have to be the legal buyer or owner of the guns; Payton’s mother, a school official, or the local police department or municipal government would presumably handle that part. Due to the nature of the scheme, any argument about one of the aforementioned parties being a “straw-purchaser” would also seem to be a non-starter, thus leaving both Payton and the shop owner entirely in the clear, legally.
** Depending on how one views the scene, it's possible this is an intentional in-universe example to show how Payton (who clearly has trouble understanding "normal" things) honestly thinks he can do this without any hassles. Also, given how this is a world where assassination attempts for a ''high school election'' are treated as a common occurrence, expecting pure realism may not work.
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* FanPreferredCouple: Payton/River is by far the biggest ship in the fandom, eclipsing Payton/Alice in popularity. Many fans ship [[ShipMates Alice and Astrid together as well]].
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: In the second season, Payton claims he wasn't sexually attracted to River, he just wanted to be close to him. Given that they had a sexual relationship and Payton is clearly deeply affected by his death, to the point of still [[DeadPersonConversation seeing and talking to him]] ''years'' later, the resounding fan response to this has been, "Bull''shit''." Many believe Payton was either lying to Astrid to cover up how he really felt, or he was still in denial, because admitting he loved River would be too much for him to deal with.
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** In the last episode, the prospective antagonists for Season 2 are introduced: Tino, the [[spoiler: Senator-elect from Texas, the first Democrat elected to the Senate from Texas, he says, in 25 years, who is already planning on running for President in 2024,]] and Dede Standish, the [[spoiler: complacent, arrogant Majority Leader of the New York State Senate who is up for reelection in the following year, 2023, but hasn't even faced a Republican opponent in six years. After that, she has agreed to be Tino's running mate. She also, it just so happens, is in a throuple, has thoroughly failed the MTA despite being the Chair of the Committee that funds it, and is running an all but nonexistent campaign whose computers run off Windows 99 (again, in 2022)]]. After some persuasion and a [[spoiler: PuttingTheBandBackTogether montage, Payton decides to challenge her]]. Two problems here. Because the episode [[spoiler: takes place in late 2022, this means that the campaign between Payton and Standish will take place in 2023]], but New York legislative elections take place in even-numbered years (Presidential and Midterm election years), not odd-numbered years like 2023. Secondly, Tino, perhaps even more to his credit, [[spoiler: is the first Democratic Senator from Texas, at that point in-universe, in 34 years, not 25]], the last victory for the party in a race like that being Lloyd Bentsen's reelection in 1988.
*** An arguable third point concerns [[spoiler: Standish being the State Senate's Majority Leader, as it is implied that she has been in that position for a long time]]. The problem, however, is that this wouldn't be the case. The New York Senate, famously, was in Republican hands until 2018. Before then, it had acted as the only bulwark for the relatively weak State GOP against the otherwise monolithic State Democrats. This means, in real life, at best, [[spoiler: Standish would have only been the Majority leader for, at most, about four years]].
*** An arguable third point concerns [[spoiler: Standish being the State Senate's Majority Leader, as it is implied that she has been in that position for a long time]]. The problem, however, is that this wouldn't be the case. The New York Senate, famously, was in Republican hands until 2018. Before then, it had acted as the only bulwark for the relatively weak State GOP against the otherwise monolithic State Democrats. This means, in real life, at best, [[spoiler: Standish would have only been the Majority leader for, at most, about four years]].
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** In the last episode, the prospective antagonists for Season 2 are introduced: Tino, the [[spoiler: Senator-elect from Texas, the first Democrat elected to the Senate from Texas, he says, in 25 years, who is already planning on running for President in 2024,]] and Dede Standish, the [[spoiler: complacent, arrogant Majority Leader of the New York State Senate who is up for reelection in the following year, 2023, but hasn't even faced a Republican opponent in six years. After that, she has agreed to be Tino's running mate. She also, it just so happens, is in a throuple, has thoroughly failed the MTA despite being the Chair of the Committee that funds it, and is running an all but nonexistent campaign whose computers run off Windows 99 (again, in 2022)]].2022, comedically making it completely alien to the protagonists, who were born in roughly 2001 or 2002)]]. After some persuasion and a [[spoiler: PuttingTheBandBackTogether montage, Payton decides to challenge her]]. Two problems here. Because the episode [[spoiler: takes place in late 2022, this means that the campaign between Payton and Standish will take place in 2023]], but New York legislative elections take place in even-numbered years (Presidential and Midterm election years), not odd-numbered years like 2023. Secondly, Tino, perhaps even more to his credit, [[spoiler: is the first Democratic Senator from Texas, at that point in-universe, in 34 years, not 25]], the last victory for the party in a race like that being Lloyd Bentsen's reelection in 1988.
*** An arguable third point concerns [[spoiler: Standish being the State Senate's Majority Leader, as it is implied that she has been in that position for a long time]]. The problem, however, is thatthis wouldn't be the case. The New York Senate, famously, was in Republican hands for decades until 2018. Before then, it had acted as the only bulwark for the relatively weak State GOP against the otherwise monolithic State Democrats. This means, means that, in real life, at best, [[spoiler: Standish would have only been the Majority leader Leader for, at most, about four years]].
*** An arguable third point concerns [[spoiler: Standish being the State Senate's Majority Leader, as it is implied that she has been in that position for a long time]]. The problem, however, is that
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** In the last episode, the prospective antagonists for Season 2 are introduced: Tino, the [[spoiler: Senator-elect from Texas, the first Democrat elected to the Senate from Texas, he says, in 25 years, who is already planning on running for President in 2024,]] and Dede Standish, the [[spoiler: complacent, arrogant Majority Leader of the New York State Senate who is up for reelection in the following year, 2023. After that, she has agreed to be Tino's running mate. She also, it just so happens, is in a throuple, has thoroughly failed the MTA despite being the Chair of the Committee that funds it, and is running an all but nonexistent reelection campaign whose computers run off Windows 99 (again, in 2022)]]. After some persuasion and a [[spoiler: PuttingTheBandBackTogether montage, Payton decides to challenge her]]. Two problems here. Because the episode [[spoiler: takes place in late 2022, this means that the campaign between Payton and Standish will take place in 2023]], but New York legislative elections take place in even-numbered years (Presidential and Midterm election years), not odd-numbered years like 2023. Secondly, Tino, perhaps even more to his credit, [[spoiler: is the first Democratic Senator from Texas, at that point in-universe, in 34 years, not 25]], the last victory for the party in a race like that being Lloyd Bentsen's reelection in 1988.
*** An arguable third point concerns [[spoiler: Standish being the State Senate's Majority Leader, as it is implied that she has been in that position for a long time]]. The problem, however, is that this wouldn't be the case. The New York Senate, famously, was in Republican hands until 2018. Before then, it had acted as the only bulwark for the relatively weak State GOP against the otherwise monolithic State Democrats. This means, in real life, at best, [[Standish would have only been the Majority leader for, at most, about four years]].
*** An arguable third point concerns [[spoiler: Standish being the State Senate's Majority Leader, as it is implied that she has been in that position for a long time]]. The problem, however, is that this wouldn't be the case. The New York Senate, famously, was in Republican hands until 2018. Before then, it had acted as the only bulwark for the relatively weak State GOP against the otherwise monolithic State Democrats. This means, in real life, at best, [[Standish would have only been the Majority leader for, at most, about four years]].
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** In the last episode, the prospective antagonists for Season 2 are introduced: Tino, the [[spoiler: Senator-elect from Texas, the first Democrat elected to the Senate from Texas, he says, in 25 years, who is already planning on running for President in 2024,]] and Dede Standish, the [[spoiler: complacent, arrogant Majority Leader of the New York State Senate who is up for reelection in the following year, 2023.2023, but hasn't even faced a Republican opponent in six years. After that, she has agreed to be Tino's running mate. She also, it just so happens, is in a throuple, has thoroughly failed the MTA despite being the Chair of the Committee that funds it, and is running an all but nonexistent reelection campaign whose computers run off Windows 99 (again, in 2022)]]. After some persuasion and a [[spoiler: PuttingTheBandBackTogether montage, Payton decides to challenge her]]. Two problems here. Because the episode [[spoiler: takes place in late 2022, this means that the campaign between Payton and Standish will take place in 2023]], but New York legislative elections take place in even-numbered years (Presidential and Midterm election years), not odd-numbered years like 2023. Secondly, Tino, perhaps even more to his credit, [[spoiler: is the first Democratic Senator from Texas, at that point in-universe, in 34 years, not 25]], the last victory for the party in a race like that being Lloyd Bentsen's reelection in 1988.
*** An arguable third point concerns [[spoiler: Standish being the State Senate's Majority Leader, as it is implied that she has been in that position for a long time]]. The problem, however, is that this wouldn't be the case. The New York Senate, famously, was in Republican hands until 2018. Before then, it had acted as the only bulwark for the relatively weak State GOP against the otherwise monolithic State Democrats. This means, in real life, at best,[[Standish [[spoiler: Standish would have only been the Majority leader for, at most, about four years]].
*** An arguable third point concerns [[spoiler: Standish being the State Senate's Majority Leader, as it is implied that she has been in that position for a long time]]. The problem, however, is that this wouldn't be the case. The New York Senate, famously, was in Republican hands until 2018. Before then, it had acted as the only bulwark for the relatively weak State GOP against the otherwise monolithic State Democrats. This means, in real life, at best,
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** In the last episode, the prospective antagonists for Season 2 are introduced: Tino, the [[spoiler: Senator-elect from Texas, the first Democrat elected to the Senate from Texas, he says, in 25 years, who is already planning on running for President in 2024,]] and Dede Standish, the [[spoiler: complacent, arrogant Majority Leader of the New York State Senate who is up for reelection in the following year, 2023. After that, she has agreed to be Tino's running mate. She also, it just so happens, is in a throuple, has thoroughly failed the MTA despite being the Chair of the Committee that funds it, and is running an all but nonexistent reelection campaign whose computers run off Windows 99 (again, in 2022)]]. After some persuasion and a [[spoiler: PuttingTheBandBackTogether montage, Payton decides to challenge her]]. Two problems here. Because the episode [[spoiler: takes place in late 2022, this means that the campaign between Payton and Standish will take place in 2023]], but New York legislative elections take place in even-numbered years (Presidential and Midterm election years), not off-number years like 2023. Secondly, Tino, perhaps even more to his credit, [[spoiler: is the first Democratic Senator from Texas, at that point in-universe, in 34 years, not 25]], the last victory for the party in a race like that being Lloyd Bentsen's reelection in 1988.
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** In the last episode, the prospective antagonists for Season 2 are introduced: Tino, the [[spoiler: Senator-elect from Texas, the first Democrat elected to the Senate from Texas, he says, in 25 years, who is already planning on running for President in 2024,]] and Dede Standish, the [[spoiler: complacent, arrogant Majority Leader of the New York State Senate who is up for reelection in the following year, 2023. After that, she has agreed to be Tino's running mate. She also, it just so happens, is in a throuple, has thoroughly failed the MTA despite being the Chair of the Committee that funds it, and is running an all but nonexistent reelection campaign whose computers run off Windows 99 (again, in 2022)]]. After some persuasion and a [[spoiler: PuttingTheBandBackTogether montage, Payton decides to challenge her]]. Two problems here. Because the episode [[spoiler: takes place in late 2022, this means that the campaign between Payton and Standish will take place in 2023]], but New York legislative elections take place in even-numbered years (Presidential and Midterm election years), not off-number odd-numbered years like 2023. Secondly, Tino, perhaps even more to his credit, [[spoiler: is the first Democratic Senator from Texas, at that point in-universe, in 34 years, not 25]], the last victory for the party in a race like that being Lloyd Bentsen's reelection in 1988.
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** In the last episode, the prospective antagonists for Season 2 are introduced: Tino, the [[spoiler: Senator-elect from Texas, the first Democrat elected to the Senate from Texas, he says, in 25 years, who is already planning on running for President in 2024,]] and Dede Standish, the [[spoiler: complacent, arrogant Majority Leader of the New York State Senate who is up for reelection in the following year, 2023. After that, she has agreed to be Tino's running mate. She also, it just so happens, is in a throuple, has thoroughly failed the MTA despite being the Chair of the Committee that funds it, and is running an all but nonexistent reelection campaign whose computers run off Windows 99 (again, in 2022)]]. Two problems here. Because the episode [[spoiler: takes place in late 2022, this means that the campaign between Payton and Standish will take place in 2023]], but New York legislative elections take place in even-numbered years (Presidential and Midterm election years), not off-number years like 2023. Secondly, Tino, perhaps even more to his credit, [[spoiler: is the first Democratic Senator from Texas, at that point in-universe, in 34 years, not 25]], the last victory for the party in a race like that being Lloyd Bentsen's reelection in 1988.
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** In the last episode, the prospective antagonists for Season 2 are introduced: Tino, the [[spoiler: Senator-elect from Texas, the first Democrat elected to the Senate from Texas, he says, in 25 years, who is already planning on running for President in 2024,]] and Dede Standish, the [[spoiler: complacent, arrogant Majority Leader of the New York State Senate who is up for reelection in the following year, 2023. After that, she has agreed to be Tino's running mate. She also, it just so happens, is in a throuple, has thoroughly failed the MTA despite being the Chair of the Committee that funds it, and is running an all but nonexistent reelection campaign whose computers run off Windows 99 (again, in 2022)]]. After some persuasion and a [[spoiler: PuttingTheBandBackTogether montage, Payton decides to challenge her]]. Two problems here. Because the episode [[spoiler: takes place in late 2022, this means that the campaign between Payton and Standish will take place in 2023]], but New York legislative elections take place in even-numbered years (Presidential and Midterm election years), not off-number years like 2023. Secondly, Tino, perhaps even more to his credit, [[spoiler: is the first Democratic Senator from Texas, at that point in-universe, in 34 years, not 25]], the last victory for the party in a race like that being Lloyd Bentsen's reelection in 1988.
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** In the last episode, the prospective antagonists for Season 2 are introduced: Tino, the [[spoiler: Senator-elect from Texas, the first Democrat elected to the Senate from Texas, he says, in 25 years, who is already planning on running for President in 2024]] and Dede Standish, the [[spoiler: complacent, arrogant Majority Leader of the New York Senate who is up for reelection in the following year, 2023. After that, she intends to be Tino's running mate]]. Two problems here. Because the episode [[spoiler: takes place in late 2022, this means that the campaign between Payton and Standish will take place in 2023]], but New York legislative elections take place in even-numbered years (Presidential and Midterm election years), not off-number years like 2023. Secondly, Tino, perhaps even more to his credit, [[spoiler: is the first Democratic Senator from Texas, at that point in-universe, in 34 years, not 25]], the last victory for the party in a race like that being Lloyd Bentsen's reelection in 1988.
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** In the last episode, the prospective antagonists for Season 2 are introduced: Tino, the [[spoiler: Senator-elect from Texas, the first Democrat elected to the Senate from Texas, he says, in 25 years, who is already planning on running for President in 2024]] 2024,]] and Dede Standish, the [[spoiler: complacent, arrogant Majority Leader of the New York State Senate who is up for reelection in the following year, 2023. After that, she intends has agreed to be Tino's running mate]].mate. She also, it just so happens, is in a throuple, has thoroughly failed the MTA despite being the Chair of the Committee that funds it, and is running an all but nonexistent reelection campaign whose computers run off Windows 99 (again, in 2022)]]. Two problems here. Because the episode [[spoiler: takes place in late 2022, this means that the campaign between Payton and Standish will take place in 2023]], but New York legislative elections take place in even-numbered years (Presidential and Midterm election years), not off-number years like 2023. Secondly, Tino, perhaps even more to his credit, [[spoiler: is the first Democratic Senator from Texas, at that point in-universe, in 34 years, not 25]], the last victory for the party in a race like that being Lloyd Bentsen's reelection in 1988.
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** In the last episode, the prospective antagonists for Season 2 are introduced: Tino, the [[spoiler: Senator-elect from Texas, the first Democrat elected to the Senate from Texas, he says, in 25 years, who is already planning on running for President in 2024]] and Dede Standish, the [[spoiler: complacent, arrogant Majority Leader of the New York Senate who is up for reelection in the following year, 2023. After that, she intends to be Tino's running mate]]. Two problems here. Because the episode [[spoiler: takes place in late 2022, this means that the campaign between Payton and Standish will take place in 2023]], but New York legislative elections take place in even-numbered years (Presidential and Midterm election years), not off-number years like 2023. Secondly, Tino, perhaps even more to his credit, [[spoiler: is the first Democratic Senator from Texas, at that point in-universe, in 34 years, not 25]], the last victory for the party in a race like that being Lloyd Bentsen's reelection in 1988.
*** An arguable third point concerns [[spoiler: Standish being the State Senate's Majority Leader, as it is implied that she has been in that position for a long time]]. The problem, however, is that this wouldn't be the case. The New York Senate, famously, was in Republican hands until 2018. Before then, it had acted as the only bulwark for the relatively weak State GOP against the otherwise monolithic State Democrats. This means, in real life, at best, [[Standish would have only been the Majority leader for, at most, about four years]].
*** An arguable third point concerns [[spoiler: Standish being the State Senate's Majority Leader, as it is implied that she has been in that position for a long time]]. The problem, however, is that this wouldn't be the case. The New York Senate, famously, was in Republican hands until 2018. Before then, it had acted as the only bulwark for the relatively weak State GOP against the otherwise monolithic State Democrats. This means, in real life, at best, [[Standish would have only been the Majority leader for, at most, about four years]].
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** Depending on how one views the scene, it's possible this is an intentional in-universe example to show how Payton (who clearly has trouble understanding "normal" things) honestly thinks he can do this without any hassles. Also, given how this is a world where assassination attempts for a ''high school election'' are treated as a common occurrence, expecting pure realism may not work.
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** Depending on how one views the scene, it's possible this is an intentional in-universe example to show how Payton (who clearly has trouble understanding "normal" things) honestly thinks he can do this without any hassles. Also, given how this is a world where assassination attempts for a ''high school election'' are treated as a common occurrence, expecting pure realism may not work.work.
* SpiritualAdaptation: A show about a calculating, nakedly ambitious teenage overachiever running for StudentCouncilPresident as a first step towards advancing a political career? Its first season can be easily described as ''Film/{{Election}}: The Series'', with Payton as a [[GenderFlip gender-flipped]] Tracy Flick, while later seasons promise to be the sequels that ''Election'' never got.
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* SpiritualAdaptation: A show about a calculating, nakedly ambitious teenage overachiever running for StudentCouncilPresident as a first step towards advancing a political career? Its first season can be easily described as ''Film/{{Election}}: The Series'', with Payton as a [[GenderFlip gender-flipped]] Tracy Flick, while later seasons promise to be the sequels that ''Election'' never got.
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* ArtisticLicenseLaw: At one point, Payton makes a bold move by buying up all the guns at a local gun shop and melting them down. The problem is, no matter how rich Payton may be, California law makes it a federal offense to allow the selling, buying, trading or trafficking of firearms to anyone under the age of 21. No matter how much money Payton offered, it wouldn't be enough to make up for the mandatory jail sentence the gun shop owner would face agreeing to this.
** Two things: One, this is not actually something Payton ever does during the series; it is an (almost certainly intentionally) preposterous campaign promise that is never actually implemented, and the absurdity is, presumably, the point. (After all, regardless of one’s position on gun control, buying the entire stock of a local gun shop, even to destroy the weapons, would only end up profiting the shop and the wider gun industry, which would simply restock and manufacture more guns, respectively.) Two, even if Payton had gone through with this scheme after being elected, it doesn’t seem so clear-cut that any law would have to be broken. Because Payton’s ostensible plan is to have the guns immediately handed over to the police, melted for scrap, and ultimately used as material for an art installation created by another person altogether, there is no reason why Payton, himself, or any other minor, would ever have to be the legal buyer or owner of the guns; Payton’s mother, a school official, or the local police department or municipal government would presumably handle that part. Due to the nature of the scheme, any argument about one of the aforementioned parties being a “straw-purchaser” would also seem to be a non-starter, thus leaving both Payton and the shop owner entirely in the clear, legally.
** Two things: One, this is not actually something Payton ever does during the series; it is an (almost certainly intentionally) preposterous campaign promise that is never actually implemented, and the absurdity is, presumably, the point. (After all, regardless of one’s position on gun control, buying the entire stock of a local gun shop, even to destroy the weapons, would only end up profiting the shop and the wider gun industry, which would simply restock and manufacture more guns, respectively.) Two, even if Payton had gone through with this scheme after being elected, it doesn’t seem so clear-cut that any law would have to be broken. Because Payton’s ostensible plan is to have the guns immediately handed over to the police, melted for scrap, and ultimately used as material for an art installation created by another person altogether, there is no reason why Payton, himself, or any other minor, would ever have to be the legal buyer or owner of the guns; Payton’s mother, a school official, or the local police department or municipal government would presumably handle that part. Due to the nature of the scheme, any argument about one of the aforementioned parties being a “straw-purchaser” would also seem to be a non-starter, thus leaving both Payton and the shop owner entirely in the clear, legally.
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* ArtisticLicenseLaw: CriticalResearchFailure: At one point, Payton makes a bold move by buying promising to buy up all the guns at a local gun shop and melting them down. The problem is, no matter how rich Payton may be, California law makes it a federal offense to allow the selling, buying, trading or trafficking of firearms to anyone under the age of 21. No matter how much money Payton offered, it wouldn't be enough to make up for the mandatory jail sentence the gun shop owner would face agreeing to this.
** Two things: One, this is not actually something Payton ever does during the series; it is an (almost certainly intentionally) preposterous campaign promise that is never actually implemented, and the absurdity is, presumably, the point. (After all, regardless of one’s position on gun control, buying the entire stock of a local gun shop, even to destroy the weapons, would only end up profiting the shop and the wider gun industry, which would simply restock and manufacture more guns, respectively.) Two, even if Payton had gone through with this scheme after being elected, it doesn’t seem so clear-cut that any law would have to be broken. Because Payton’s ostensible plan is to have the guns immediately handed over to the police, melted for scrap, and ultimately used as material for an art installation created by another person altogether, there is no reason why Payton, himself, or any other minor, would ever have to be the legal buyer or owner of the guns; Payton’s mother, a school official, or the local police department or municipal government would presumably handle that part. Due to the nature of the scheme, any argument about one of the aforementioned parties being a “straw-purchaser” would also seem to be a non-starter, thus leaving both Payton and the shop owner entirely in the clear,legally.legally.
** Depending on how one views the scene, it's possible this is an intentional in-universe example to show how Payton (who clearly has trouble understanding "normal" things) honestly thinks he can do this without any hassles. Also, given how this is a world where assassination attempts for a ''high school election'' are treated as a common occurrence, expecting pure realism may not work.
** Two things: One, this is not actually something Payton ever does during the series; it is an (almost certainly intentionally) preposterous campaign promise that is never actually implemented, and the absurdity is, presumably, the point. (After all, regardless of one’s position on gun control, buying the entire stock of a local gun shop, even to destroy the weapons, would only end up profiting the shop and the wider gun industry, which would simply restock and manufacture more guns, respectively.) Two, even if Payton had gone through with this scheme after being elected, it doesn’t seem so clear-cut that any law would have to be broken. Because Payton’s ostensible plan is to have the guns immediately handed over to the police, melted for scrap, and ultimately used as material for an art installation created by another person altogether, there is no reason why Payton, himself, or any other minor, would ever have to be the legal buyer or owner of the guns; Payton’s mother, a school official, or the local police department or municipal government would presumably handle that part. Due to the nature of the scheme, any argument about one of the aforementioned parties being a “straw-purchaser” would also seem to be a non-starter, thus leaving both Payton and the shop owner entirely in the clear,
** Depending on how one views the scene, it's possible this is an intentional in-universe example to show how Payton (who clearly has trouble understanding "normal" things) honestly thinks he can do this without any hassles. Also, given how this is a world where assassination attempts for a ''high school election'' are treated as a common occurrence, expecting pure realism may not work.
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* CriticalResearchFailure: At one point, Payton makes a bold move by buying up all the guns at a local gun shop and melting them down. The problem is, no matter how rich Payton may be, California law makes it a federal offense to allow the selling, buying, trading or trafficking of firearms to anyone under the age of 21. No matter how much money Payton offered, it wouldn't be enough to make up for the mandatory jail sentence the gun shop owner would face agreeing to this.
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* CriticalResearchFailure: ArtisticLicenseLaw: At one point, Payton makes a bold move by buying up all the guns at a local gun shop and melting them down. The problem is, no matter how rich Payton may be, California law makes it a federal offense to allow the selling, buying, trading or trafficking of firearms to anyone under the age of 21. No matter how much money Payton offered, it wouldn't be enough to make up for the mandatory jail sentence the gun shop owner would face agreeing to this.
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* CriticalResearchFailure: At one point, Payton makes a bold move by buying up all the guns at a local gun shop and melting them down. The problem is, no matter how rich Payton may be, California law makes it a federal offense to allow the selling, buying, trading or trafficking of firearms to anyone under the age of 21. No matter how much money Payton offered, it wouldn't be enough to make up for the mandatory jail sentence the gun shop owner would face agreeing to this.
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* CriticalResearchFailure: At one point, Payton makes a bold move by buying up all the guns at a local gun shop and melting them down. The problem is, no matter how rich Payton may be, California law makes it a federal offense to allow the selling, buying, trading or trafficking of firearms to anyone under the age of 21. No matter how much money Payton offered, it wouldn't be enough to make up for the mandatory jail sentence the gun shop owner would face agreeing to this.this.
** Two things: One, this is not actually something Payton ever does during the series; it is an (almost certainly intentionally) preposterous campaign promise that is never actually implemented, and the absurdity is, presumably, the point. (After all, regardless of one’s position on gun control, buying the entire stock of a local gun shop, even to destroy the weapons, would only end up profiting the shop and the wider gun industry, which would simply restock and manufacture more guns, respectively.) Two, even if Payton had gone through with this scheme after being elected, it doesn’t seem so clear-cut that any law would have to be broken. Because Payton’s ostensible plan is to have the guns immediately handed over to the police, melted for scrap, and ultimately used as material for an art installation created by another person altogether, there is no reason why Payton, himself, or any other minor, would ever have to be the legal buyer or owner of the guns; Payton’s mother, a school official, or the local police department or municipal government would presumably handle that part. Due to the nature of the scheme, any argument about one of the aforementioned parties being a “straw-purchaser” would also seem to be a non-starter, thus leaving both Payton and the shop owner entirely in the clear, legally.
** Two things: One, this is not actually something Payton ever does during the series; it is an (almost certainly intentionally) preposterous campaign promise that is never actually implemented, and the absurdity is, presumably, the point. (After all, regardless of one’s position on gun control, buying the entire stock of a local gun shop, even to destroy the weapons, would only end up profiting the shop and the wider gun industry, which would simply restock and manufacture more guns, respectively.) Two, even if Payton had gone through with this scheme after being elected, it doesn’t seem so clear-cut that any law would have to be broken. Because Payton’s ostensible plan is to have the guns immediately handed over to the police, melted for scrap, and ultimately used as material for an art installation created by another person altogether, there is no reason why Payton, himself, or any other minor, would ever have to be the legal buyer or owner of the guns; Payton’s mother, a school official, or the local police department or municipal government would presumably handle that part. Due to the nature of the scheme, any argument about one of the aforementioned parties being a “straw-purchaser” would also seem to be a non-starter, thus leaving both Payton and the shop owner entirely in the clear, legally.
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* CriticalResearchFailure: At one point, Evan makes a bold move by buying up all the guns at a local gun shop and melting them down. The problem is, no matter how rich Evan may be, California law makes it a federal offense to allow the selling, buying, trading or trafficking of firearms to anyone under the age of 21. No matter how much money Evan offered, it wouldn't be enough to make up for the mandatory jail sentence the gun shop owner would face agreeing to this.
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* CriticalResearchFailure: At one point, Evan Payton makes a bold move by buying up all the guns at a local gun shop and melting them down. The problem is, no matter how rich Evan Payton may be, California law makes it a federal offense to allow the selling, buying, trading or trafficking of firearms to anyone under the age of 21. No matter how much money Evan Payton offered, it wouldn't be enough to make up for the mandatory jail sentence the gun shop owner would face agreeing to this.
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* CriticalResearchFailure: At one point, Evan makes a bold move by buying up all the guns at a local gun shop and melting them down. The problem is, no matter how rich Evan may be, California law makes it a federal offense to allow the selling, buying, trading or trafficking of firearms to anyone under the age of 21. No matter how much money Evan offered, it wouldn't be enough to make up for the mandatory jail sentence the gun shop owner would face agreeing to this.
