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* InternetBackdraft: Many fans chaffed at the Legends getting on Barry's case for changing time, since they have their own fair share of screw ups in that area as well (Stein nearly prevented his own marriage after all). Sara in particular comes off as hypocritical by saying she has to resist the temptation to change things to save Laurel when she in fact gave into that temptation twice and was only stopped by the forceful intervention of her teammates.



* InternetBackdraft: Many fans chaffed at the Legends getting on Barry's case for changing time, since they have their own fair share of screw ups in that area as well (Stein nearly prevented his own marriage after all). Sara in particular comes off as hypocritical by saying she has to resist the temptation to change things to save Laurel when she in fact gave into that temptation twice and was only stopped by the forceful intervention of her teammates.
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** Related to Flashpoint, there is some debate over Diggle's reaction over Baby Sara. Some feel he shouldn't have gotten that upset because of him still having a child just of a different gender and he never would have known of her existence if Barry didn't tell him. While most feel it was a realistic and understandable reaction for a father to find out he had a child that ceased to exist and technically died.
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** The Legends never mention that Barry's nemesis Eobard Thawne is the ArcVillain of ''Legends'' Season 2, which they should have easily figured out after finding out that they're facing a speedster and that Barry caused "Flashpoint". They generally don't even try to discuss with Barry about the possible identity of their speedster nemesis.

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** The Legends never mention that Barry's nemesis Eobard Thawne is the ArcVillain of ''Legends'' Season 2, which they should have easily figured out after finding out that they're facing a speedster and that Barry caused "Flashpoint". They generally don't even try to discuss with Barry about the possible identity of their speedster nemesis.



** Quick shot of Dr. Harrison "Harry" Wells and Jesse Wells/Jesse Quick and Star Labs, after taking down their Dominators. They think about Earth-1; "Nah, WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong?"

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** Quick shot Alternatively, given that the Dominators are mentioned to definitely exist in other universes, there was a missed opportunity to show the heroes of Dr. Harrison "Harry" Wells and Jesse Wells/Jesse Quick and Star Labs, after taking down Earths 2 & 3 fighting off their Dominators. They think about Earth-1; "Nah, WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong?"own alien invasions.



** Team Flash never addresses that Black Siren/Earth-2 Laurel Lance is still locked up in the pipeline which should have been mentioned since they are teaming up with not only Team Arrow but also Sara Lance. Then also because of the episode addressing the bad side of keeping secrets while they are still keeping her a secret.

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** Team Flash never addresses that Black Siren/Earth-2 Laurel Lance is still locked up in the pipeline which should have been mentioned since they are teaming up with not only Team Arrow but also Sara Lance. Then also because Since a major theme of the episode addressing is the bad side of keeping secrets while they are still keeping her secrets, such a secret.reveal would have fit in very well.
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** Iris and Joe's MyBelovedSmother treatment of Wally and trying to keep him out of loop also didn't go over with some viewers. Some empathize with thei concerns while others were quick to point out the DoubleStandard in their [[NotNowKiddo treatment of Wally.]]

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** Iris and Joe's MyBelovedSmother treatment of Wally and trying to keep him out of loop also didn't go over with some viewers. Some empathize with thei their concerns while others were quick to point out the DoubleStandard in their [[NotNowKiddo treatment of Wally.]]
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** Iris and Joe's MyBelovedSmother treatment of Wally and trying to keep him out of loop also didn't go over with some viewers. Some empathize with thei concerns while others were quick to point out the DoubleStandard in their [[NotNowKiddo treatment of Wally.]]

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** Nate and Amaya not appearing. While it makes sense for someone to look after the Waverider, it would have been awesome for them to team up with Oliver and Barry when the other heroes were under MindControl.
** Kara contacting Clark and having Superman himself help the others would also have been awesome.
*** Or that "Vigilante" her cousin teamed up with.
** The Legends never mention that Barry's nemesis Eobard Thawne is the ArcVillain of ''Legends'' Season 2, which they should have easily figured out after finding out that they're facing a speedster and that Barry caused "Flashpoint".
*** They generally don't even try to discuss with Barry about the possible identity of their speedster nemesis.

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** Though justified by her being preoccupied with Maggie at the end of 'Medusa", Alex could have also been a good addition to the team with her expertise in hunting aliens and it could have been a good ShipTease moment to have her team up with Sara, just so we could see Alex be interested in someone other than Maggie.
** Nate and Amaya not appearing. While it makes sense for someone to look after the Waverider, it would have been awesome for them to team up with Oliver and Barry when the other heroes were under MindControl. \n Especially since we didn't get the opportunity to see Amaya go against Kara as naturally because of Amaya's powers being magical she could have put up a decent fight against her since kryptonians are vulnerable to magic.
** Kara contacting Clark and having Superman himself help the others would also have been awesome.
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awesome. Or that "Vigilante" "[[Franchise/{{Batman}} Vigilante]]" her cousin teamed up with.
** The Legends never mention that Barry's nemesis Eobard Thawne is the ArcVillain of ''Legends'' Season 2, which they should have easily figured out after finding out that they're facing a speedster and that Barry caused "Flashpoint".
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"Flashpoint". They generally don't even try to discuss with Barry about the possible identity of their speedster nemesis.
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*** They generally don't even try to discuss with Barry about the possible identity of their speedster nemesis.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Cisco, in continuation from the last episode. Some don't agree with his {{jerkass}} behavior and how he ends up making the team question Barry as a leader because of his insistence that he tell them about the secret message[[note]]Especially considering other characters also knew and didn't tell, and it's not Barry's secret or team[[/note]], and believe he should just forgive Barry already. Others feel it is realistic for him to still be angry at Barry over Dante.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Cisco, in continuation from the last episode. Some don't agree with his {{jerkass}} behavior and how he ends up making the team question Barry as a leader because of his insistence that he tell them about the secret message[[note]]Especially considering other characters also knew and didn't tell, and it's not Barry's secret or team[[/note]], and believe he should just forgive Barry already. Others feel it is realistic for him to still be angry at Barry over Dante. Then a third camp understands Cisco being angry, but feel that doesn't justify the way he is acting.



** Savitar and Alchemy appear to have no interest in protecting Earth. They could have teamed up with the heroes on a temporary basis. Savitar'a absolute mastery of the Speed Force could have really helped.

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** Savitar and Alchemy appear to have no interest in protecting Earth. They could have teamed up with the heroes on a temporary basis. Savitar'a absolute mastery of the Speed Force could have really helped.helped.
** Team Flash never addresses that Black Siren/Earth-2 Laurel Lance is still locked up in the pipeline which should have been mentioned since they are teaming up with not only Team Arrow but also Sara Lance. Then also because of the episode addressing the bad side of keeping secrets while they are still keeping her a secret.
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** Jay Garrick/The Flash has been watching over Barry. Shows up, but unable to stay.

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** Jay Garrick/The Flash has been watching over Barry. Shows up, but unable Barry, so seeing him team up with Barry and all the other heroes to stay.fight off this invasion would've been cool.
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** Quick shot of Dr. Harrison "Harry" Wells and Jesse Wells/Jesse Quick and Star Labs, after taking down their Dominators. They think about Earth-1; "Nah, WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong?"

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** Quick shot of Dr. Harrison "Harry" Wells and Jesse Wells/Jesse Quick and Star Labs, after taking down their Dominators. They think about Earth-1; "Nah, WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong?"WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong?"
** Savitar and Alchemy appear to have no interest in protecting Earth. They could have teamed up with the heroes on a temporary basis. Savitar'a absolute mastery of the Speed Force could have really helped.

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Addition of Winslow Schott Jr, Jay Garrick, Harry Wells, Jesse Quick.


** Winslow "Winn" Schott Jr. joining Team Mission Control (Felicity Smoak, Cisco Ramon, Dr. Caitlin Snow).



** The Legends never mention that Barry's nemesis Eobard Thawne is the ArcVillain of ''Legends'' Season 2, which they should have easily figured out after finding out that they're facing a speedster and that Barry caused "Flashpoint".

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*** Or that "Vigilante" her cousin teamed up with.
** The Legends never mention that Barry's nemesis Eobard Thawne is the ArcVillain of ''Legends'' Season 2, which they should have easily figured out after finding out that they're facing a speedster and that Barry caused "Flashpoint"."Flashpoint".
** Jay Garrick/The Flash has been watching over Barry. Shows up, but unable to stay.
** Quick shot of Dr. Harrison "Harry" Wells and Jesse Wells/Jesse Quick and Star Labs, after taking down their Dominators. They think about Earth-1; "Nah, WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong?"

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Any of the Legends could have told Barry.


* BaseBreakingCharacter: Cisco in this episode as some don't agree with his jerkass behavior and how he ends up making the team question Barry as a leader because of his insistence that he tell them about the secret message and that he should just forgive Barry already, while others feel it is realistic for him to still be angry at Barry over Dante.
* BrokenBase: Bringing the consequences of "Flashpoint" into the mix. Some fans are happy that Barry's dirty laundry has been aired to all his friends and allies (especially John learning he had a daughter) while others are annoyed how Barry's mistakes are being brought up all the time now, that [[{{Hypocrite}} the Legends are in no position to criticize him]] and feel like it's a distraction from moving forward.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Cisco Cisco, in this episode as some continuation from the last episode. Some don't agree with his jerkass {{jerkass}} behavior and how he ends up making the team question Barry as a leader because of his insistence that he tell them about the secret message message[[note]]Especially considering other characters also knew and that didn't tell, and it's not Barry's secret or team[[/note]], and believe he should just forgive Barry already, while others already. Others feel it is realistic for him to still be angry at Barry over Dante.
* BrokenBase: Bringing the consequences of "Flashpoint" into the mix. Some fans are happy that Barry's dirty laundry has been aired to all his friends and allies (especially John learning he had a daughter) while daughter); others are annoyed at how Barry's mistakes are being brought up all the time now, that [[{{Hypocrite}} the Legends are in no position to criticize him]] and feel like it's a distraction from moving forward.



** Cisco telling Felicity that it doesn't matter how bad Barry feels for Dante's death it's not going to change things and that Barry shouldn't be held up on pedestal since he can make mistakes like everyone else. Every character blowing up in Barry's face also counts.
** In a similar vein Oliver telling Barry that not every little thing that happened in Flashpoint is his fault by mentioning Season 2's events and how his own father died in a similar vein to his origin also helps those who feel Cisco is beating Barry up too much with how his changes have 'ruined' everyone else's lives when it's possible those events may have still happened just later.

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** Cisco telling Felicity that it doesn't no matter how bad Barry feels for Dante's death it's not going to change things things, and that Barry shouldn't be held up on a pedestal since he can make mistakes like everyone else. Every character blowing up in Barry's face also counts.
** In a similar vein On the other hand, Oliver telling Barry that not every little thing that happened in because of Flashpoint is his fault by mentioning Season 2's events and how his own father died in a similar vein to his origin also helps those who feel Cisco is beating Barry up too much with how his changes have 'ruined' much. Especially since he points out that everyone else's lives when it's possible those events may have still happened just later.else changes the future all the time, and nobody even knows whether these particular changes were actually Barry's doing.



* ContinuityLockout: If you don't watch the other three shows you will have no clue what's going on.

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* ContinuityLockout: If you don't watch the other three shows you likely will have no clue what's going on.



* LesYay: Sara comments that it is kind of hot how Supergirl is overpowering them in the training session.
* InternetBackdraft: Many fans chaffed at the Legends getting on Barry's case for changing time, since they have their own fair share of screw ups in that area as well (Stein nearly prevented his own marriage after all). Sara in particular comes off as hypocrite by saving she has to resist the temptation to change things to save Laurel when she in fact gave into that temptation twice and was only stopped by the forceful intervention of her teammates.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Those who were hoping that Barry would meet J'onn or that Wally (who has a BigDamnHeroes moment) would join the team up as Kid Flash are going to be disappointed.
** Nate and Amaya not appearing. While it makes sense for someone to look after the Waverider, it would have been awesome for them to team-up up with Oliver and Barry when the other heroes were under MindControl.
** Also, Kara contacting Clark and have Superman himself help the others would also have been awesome.
** Martin Stein never mentions that Barry's nemesis Eobard Thawne is the ArcVillain of Legends Of Tomorrow season 2,which he[Stein] should have easily pieced together after finding out about "Flashpoint".

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* LesYay: Sara comments that it is kind of hot how Sara's comment on Supergirl is effortlessly overpowering them everyone else in the a training session.
session is "It's kinda hot."
* InternetBackdraft: Many fans chaffed at the Legends getting on Barry's case for changing time, since they have their own fair share of screw ups in that area as well (Stein nearly prevented his own marriage after all). Sara in particular comes off as hypocrite hypocritical by saving saying she has to resist the temptation to change things to save Laurel when she in fact gave into that temptation twice and was only stopped by the forceful intervention of her teammates.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: A fair number of heroes in all the shows don't show up in this episode (though some of them are confirmed for the other parts of the crossover).
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Those who were hoping that Barry would meet J'onn or that Wally (who has a BigDamnHeroes moment) would join the team up as Kid Flash are going to be disappointed.
** Nate and Amaya not appearing. While it makes sense for someone to look after the Waverider, it would have been awesome for them to team-up team up with Oliver and Barry when the other heroes were under MindControl.
** Also, Kara contacting Clark and have having Superman himself help the others would also have been awesome.
** Martin Stein The Legends never mentions mention that Barry's nemesis Eobard Thawne is the ArcVillain of Legends Of Tomorrow season 2,which he[Stein] ''Legends'' Season 2, which they should have easily pieced together figured out after finding out about that they're facing a speedster and that Barry caused "Flashpoint".
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** Martain Stein never mentions that Barry's nemesis Eobard Thawne is the ArcVillain of Legends Of Tomorrow season 2,which he[Stein] should have easily pieced together after finding out about "Flashpoint".

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** Martain Martin Stein never mentions that Barry's nemesis Eobard Thawne is the ArcVillain of Legends Of Tomorrow season 2,which he[Stein] should have easily pieced together after finding out about "Flashpoint".

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Those who were hoping that Barry would meet J'onn or that Wally (who has BigDamnHeroes moment) would join the team up as Kid Flash are going to be disappointed.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Those who were hoping that Barry would meet J'onn or that Wally (who has a BigDamnHeroes moment) would join the team up as Kid Flash are going to be disappointed.



** Also, Kara contacting Clark and have Superman himself help the others would also have been awesome.

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** Also, Kara contacting Clark and have Superman himself help the others would also have been awesome.awesome.
**Martain Stein never mentions that Barry's nemesis Eobard Thawne is the ArcVillain of Legends Of Tomorrow season 2,which he[Stein] should have easily pieced together after finding out about "Flashpoint".
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Those who were hoping that Barry would meet J'onn or that Wally (who has BigDamnHeroes moment) would join the team up as Kid Flash are going to be disappointed.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Those who were hoping that Barry would meet J'onn or that Wally (who has BigDamnHeroes moment) would join the team up as Kid Flash are going to be disappointed.disappointed.
** Nate and Amaya not appearing. While it makes sense for someone to look after the Waverider, it would have been awesome for them to team-up up with Oliver and Barry when the other heroes were under MindControl.
** Also, Kara contacting Clark and have Superman himself help the others would also have been awesome.
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Cisco in this episode as some don't agree with his jerkass behavior and how he ends up making the team question Barry as a leader because of his insistence that he tell them about the secret message and that he should just forgive Barry already, while others feel it is realistic for him to still be angry at Barry over Dante.
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* BrokenBase: Bringing the consequences of "Flashpoint" into the mix. Some fans are happy that Barry's dirty laundry has been aired to all his friends and allies (especially John learning he had a daughter) while others are annoyed how Barry's mistakes are being brought up all the time now, that [[{{Hypocrite}} the Legends are not in position to criticize him]] and feel like it's a distraction from moving forward.

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* BrokenBase: Bringing the consequences of "Flashpoint" into the mix. Some fans are happy that Barry's dirty laundry has been aired to all his friends and allies (especially John learning he had a daughter) while others are annoyed how Barry's mistakes are being brought up all the time now, that [[{{Hypocrite}} the Legends are not in no position to criticize him]] and feel like it's a distraction from moving forward.
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* InternetBackdraft: Many fans chaffed at the Legends getting on Barry's case for changing time, since they have their own fair share of screw ups as well (Stein nearly prevented his own marriage after all). Sara in particular comes off as hypocrite by saving she has to resist the temptation to change things to save Laurel when she in fact gave into that temptation twice and was only stopped by the forceful intervention of her teammates.

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* InternetBackdraft: Many fans chaffed at the Legends getting on Barry's case for changing time, since they have their own fair share of screw ups in that area as well (Stein nearly prevented his own marriage after all). Sara in particular comes off as hypocrite by saving she has to resist the temptation to change things to save Laurel when she in fact gave into that temptation twice and was only stopped by the forceful intervention of her teammates.
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* BrokenBase: Bringing the consequences of "Flashpoint" into the mix. Some fans are happy that Barry's dirty laundry has been aired to all his friends and allies (especially John learning he had a daughter) while others are annoyed how Barry's mistakes are being brought up all the time now and feel like it's a distraction from moving forward.

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* BrokenBase: Bringing the consequences of "Flashpoint" into the mix. Some fans are happy that Barry's dirty laundry has been aired to all his friends and allies (especially John learning he had a daughter) while others are annoyed how Barry's mistakes are being brought up all the time now now, that [[{{Hypocrite}} the Legends are not in position to criticize him]] and feel like it's a distraction from moving forward.

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* EvenBetterSequel: To last year's crossover since this one doesn't have the baggage of being a PoorlyDisguisedPilot.


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* EvenBetterSequel: To last year's crossover since this one doesn't have the baggage of being a PoorlyDisgustedPilot.

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* EvenBetterSequel: To last year's crossover since this one doesn't have the baggage of being a PoorlyDisgustedPilot.PoorlyDisguisedPilot.

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* EvenBetterSequel: To last year's crossover since this one doesn't have the baggage of being a PoorlyDisgustedPilot.
* BrokenBase: Bringing the consequences of "Flashpoint" into the mix. Some fans are happy that Barry's dirty laundry has been aired to all his friends and allies (especially John learning he had a daughter) while others are annoyed how Barry's mistakes are being brought up all the time now and feel like it's a distraction from moving forward.



** Cisco telling Felicity that it doesn't matter how bad Barry feels bad for Dante's death it's not going to change things and that Barry shouldn't be held up on pedestal since he can make mistakes like everyone else. Every character blowing up in Barry's face also counts.

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** Cisco telling Felicity that it doesn't matter how bad Barry feels bad for Dante's death it's not going to change things and that Barry shouldn't be held up on pedestal since he can make mistakes like everyone else. Every character blowing up in Barry's face also counts.


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* InternetBackdraft: Many fans chaffed at the Legends getting on Barry's case for changing time, since they have their own fair share of screw ups as well (Stein nearly prevented his own marriage after all). Sara in particular comes off as hypocrite by saving she has to resist the temptation to change things to save Laurel when she in fact gave into that temptation twice and was only stopped by the forceful intervention of her teammates.
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** After running into so many villains that are as powerful as her if not more so, it's nice to see Supergirl kicking the rest of the team's ass and reminding the audience how absurdly powerful Kryptonians are.
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* LesYay: Sara comments that it is kind of hot how Supergirl is overpowering them in the training session.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Those who were hoping that Barry would meet J'onn or that Wally(who DOES have BigDammnHeroes moment.) would join the team up as Kid Flash are going to be disappointed.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Those who were hoping that Barry would meet J'onn or that Wally(who DOES have BigDammnHeroes moment.) Wally (who has BigDamnHeroes moment) would join the team up as Kid Flash are going to be disappointed.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Those who were hoping that Barry would meet J'onn or that Wally would join the team up as Kid Flash are going to be disappointed.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Those who were hoping that Barry would meet J'onn or that Wally Wally(who DOES have BigDammnHeroes moment.) would join the team up as Kid Flash are going to be disappointed.
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** In a similar vein Oliver telling Barry that not every little thing that happened in Flashpoint is his fault by mentioning Season 2's events and how his own father died in a similar vein to his origin also helps those who feel Cisco is beating Barry up too much with how his changes have 'ruined' everyone else's lives when it's possible those events may have still happened just later.
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* ContinuityLockout: If you don't watch the other three shows you will have no clue what's going on.

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* ContinuityLockout: If you don't watch the other three shows you will have no clue what's going on.on.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Those who were hoping that Barry would meet J'onn or that Wally would join the team up as Kid Flash are going to be disappointed.

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* CatharsisFactor: Cisco telling Felicity that it doesn't matter how bad Barry feels bad for Dante's death it's not going to change things and that Barry shouldn't be held up on pedestal since he can make mistakes like everyone else.

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Cisco telling Felicity that it doesn't matter how bad Barry feels bad for Dante's death it's not going to change things and that Barry shouldn't be held up on pedestal since he can make mistakes like everyone else.else. Every character blowing up in Barry's face also counts.
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* CatharsisFactor: Cisco telling Felicity that it doesn't matter how bad Barry feels bad for Dante's death it's not going to change things and that Barry shouldn't be held up on pedestal since he can make mistakes like everyone else.

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