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* MemeticMolester: There are many memes of Mrs Graves attempting to seduce Andrew to turn him against Ashley, both to Ashley and Andrew's horror. This ignores that Mrs Graves is both very dedicated to her husband and finds the idea of incest abhorrent in canon.
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** There's some debate as to whether Andrew actually does want to [[spoiler:have sex with Ashley]], or if he's horrified by the very thought. While he ''says'' he doesn't want to, his inner monologue and many optional scenes between Andrew and Ashley seem to indicate he's attracted to her. When his mother accuses him of having sex with Ashley, he seems more embarrassed than anything else, and his reaction to the vision of it actually happening is to blush furiously with a hand over his mouth rather than having any sort of disgusted reaction. Even amidst denying his attraction to Ashley, he seems to give the choice to Ashley, letting her affirm that it won't happen or leaving the possibility open. If she says "never say never", the ending scene has the friendliest and strongest bond between the siblings, with Andrew giving Ashley a hug and Ashley showing a surprising amount of empathy towards him. Ashley, for her part, is not embarrassed at all. She seems to see BrotherSisterIncest as the natural conclusion of their relationship and as a way to keep him with her, and it's very possible Andrew recognizes this and wants to avoid it for that reason specifically.
** Andrew in general has also been a subject of much debate, in particular his apparent lack of guilt or remorse for some of his actions, his willingness to murder Warden Malcom and the Lady from Room 302 and his primary concern being avoiding the consequences of his actions, suggesting that he may have had some psychopathic tendencies from the get-go. However, having to deal with Ashley's manipulations and psychopathy 24/7 and being stuck in a life-or-death situation could have made him more willing to do psychopathic actions for her sake and for survival's sake.
** Did Andrew really kill the Lady in 302 in self-defense? Or was he lying to appease Ashley? Notably his story doesn't add up with the environmental clues in the room. The nailgun is found nowhere near the Lady's body, Andrew is uninjured, and her body is splayed out on her bed.
** Is Mrs Graves an AbusiveParent and degenerate who is just as bad, if not slightly less worse than her daughter, or an apathetic, "whatever" sort of parent who simply didn't care and is content at leaving her children to their own devices?
** Did the Graves parents willingly [[spoiler: sell their children to the organ harvesting operation or did they manage to escape somehow and receive a hush-money payment? On the one hand it doesn't make sense for an organ harvesting operation to let two potential sets of organs (and therefore money) leave ''and'' pay them for their trouble when it is quite happy killing at least 53 other people for profit. On the other hand, paying the Graves parents to stay quiet seems to be actively against the goals of the operation, especially considering that they are quite willing to send a hitman after the siblings to silence them.]]
** Mrs Graves' attempted apology to Andrew in Part 2. Is it a [[spoiler:manipulation tactic from a narcissistic parent or a genuine attempt in making amends? On one hand, they did sell their children to be butchered off in a MegaCorp organ harvesting operation for money and bragged about it in a letter, abandoned Ashley because of her sociopathy and left her at Andrew's hands where she is guaranteed to make him suffer. On the other hand, the Graves parents don't seem to mind when they come back despite the situation indicates that they should be furious, and Ashley did try to kill them for money first and foremost. Andrew does accuse her of trying to save her skin in the Burial Route, but he's also not a reliable narrator since he's known for his [[NeverMyFault vicious blame-shifting]] on several horrible things he willingly helped Ashley do.]]
** Andrew in general has also been a subject of much debate, in particular his apparent lack of guilt or remorse for some of his actions, his willingness to murder Warden Malcom and the Lady from Room 302 and his primary concern being avoiding the consequences of his actions, suggesting that he may have had some psychopathic tendencies from the get-go. However, having to deal with Ashley's manipulations and psychopathy 24/7 and being stuck in a life-or-death situation could have made him more willing to do psychopathic actions for her sake and for survival's sake.
** Did Andrew really kill the Lady in 302 in self-defense? Or was he lying to appease Ashley? Notably his story doesn't add up with the environmental clues in the room. The nailgun is found nowhere near the Lady's body, Andrew is uninjured, and her body is splayed out on her bed.
** Is Mrs Graves an AbusiveParent and degenerate who is just as bad, if not slightly less worse than her daughter, or an apathetic, "whatever" sort of parent who simply didn't care and is content at leaving her children to their own devices?
** Did the Graves parents willingly [[spoiler: sell their children to the organ harvesting operation or did they manage to escape somehow and receive a hush-money payment? On the one hand it doesn't make sense for an organ harvesting operation to let two potential sets of organs (and therefore money) leave ''and'' pay them for their trouble when it is quite happy killing at least 53 other people for profit. On the other hand, paying the Graves parents to stay quiet seems to be actively against the goals of the operation, especially considering that they are quite willing to send a hitman after the siblings to silence them.]]
** Mrs Graves' attempted apology to Andrew in Part 2. Is it a [[spoiler:manipulation tactic from a narcissistic parent or a genuine attempt in making amends? On one hand, they did sell their children to be butchered off in a MegaCorp organ harvesting operation for money and bragged about it in a letter, abandoned Ashley because of her sociopathy and left her at Andrew's hands where she is guaranteed to make him suffer. On the other hand, the Graves parents don't seem to mind when they come back despite the situation indicates that they should be furious, and Ashley did try to kill them for money first and foremost. Andrew does accuse her of trying to save her skin in the Burial Route, but he's also not a reliable narrator since he's known for his [[NeverMyFault vicious blame-shifting]] on several horrible things he willingly helped Ashley do.]]
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** Andrew in general has been a subject of much debate:
*** There's some debate as to whether Andrew actually does want to [[spoiler:have sex with Ashley]], or if he's horrified by the very thought. While he ''says'' he doesn't want to, his inner monologue and many optional scenes between Andrew and Ashley seem to indicate he's attracted to her. When his mother accuses him of having sex with Ashley, he seems more embarrassed than anything else, and his reaction to the vision of it actually happening is to blush furiously with a hand over his mouth rather than having any sort of disgusted reaction. Even amidst denying his attraction to Ashley, he seems to give the choice to Ashley, letting her affirm that it won't happen or leaving the possibility open. If she says "never say never", the ending scene has the friendliest and strongest bond between the siblings, with Andrew giving Ashley a hug and Ashley showing a surprising amount of empathy towards him. Ashley, for her part, is not embarrassed at all. She seems to see BrotherSisterIncest as the natural conclusion of their relationship and as a way to keep him with her, and it's very possible Andrew recognizes this and wants to avoid it for that reason specifically.
** *** Andrew in general has also been a subject of much debate, in particular his an apparent lack of guilt or remorse for some of his actions, his willingness actions. While he initially seems to be ALighterShadeOfBlack compared to Ashley, he is happy to murder Warden Malcom and has no remorse for killing the Lady from Room 302 and his 302. His primary concern being is not with morality, but with avoiding the consequences of his actions, suggesting that he may have had some psychopathic tendencies from the get-go. However, having to deal with Ashley's manipulations and psychopathy 24/7 and being stuck in a life-or-death situation could have made him more willing to do psychopathic actions for her sake and for survival's sake.
** *** Did Andrew really kill the Lady in 302 in self-defense? Or was he lying to appease Ashley? Notably his story doesn't add up with the environmental clues in the room. The nailgun is found nowhere near the Lady's body, Andrew is uninjured, and her body is splayed out on her bed.
bed. His lack of remorse when confronted with her body, along with the comment that Ashely would have done worse to her, suggests he might have killed her as a MercyKill.
** Mrs Graves' actions are also subject to a great deal of interpretation:
*** Is Mrs Graves an AbusiveParent and degenerate who is just as bad, if not slightly less worse than her daughter, or an apathetic, "whatever" sort of parent who simply didn't care and is content at leaving her children to their own devices?
** *** Did the Graves parents willingly [[spoiler: sell [[spoiler:sell their children to the organ harvesting operation or operation? Or did they manage to escape somehow and receive a hush-money payment? On the one hand it doesn't make sense for an organ harvesting operation to let two potential sets of organs (and therefore money) leave ''and'' pay them for their trouble when it is quite happy killing at least 53 other people for profit. On the other hand, paying the Graves parents to stay quiet seems to be actively against the goals of the operation, especially considering that after they are quite willing escaped would run contrary to send them sending a hitman after the Graves siblings to silence them.later.]]
** *** Mrs Graves' attempted apology to Andrew in Part 2. Is it a [[spoiler:manipulation tactic from a narcissistic parent or a genuine attempt in making amends? On one hand, they did sell their she sold her children to be butchered off in a MegaCorp organ harvesting operation for money and bragged about it them dying in a letter, abandoned [[ParentalAbandonment abandoned]] Ashley because of her sociopathy sociopathy, and left her at in Andrew's hands where she is guaranteed to make him suffer. On the other hand, the Graves parents don't seem to mind when they come back despite the situation indicates that they should be furious, and Ashley did try to kill them for money first and foremost. Andrew does accuse accuses her of PragmaticVillainy in both not calling the police and for trying to save her skin in the Burial Route, but he's also not a reliable narrator since he's known for his [[NeverMyFault vicious blame-shifting]] on several horrible things he willingly helped Ashley do.]]
*** There's some debate as to whether Andrew actually does want to [[spoiler:have sex with Ashley]], or if he's horrified by the very thought. While he ''says'' he doesn't want to, his inner monologue and many optional scenes between Andrew and Ashley seem to indicate he's attracted to her. When his mother accuses him of having sex with Ashley, he seems more embarrassed than anything else, and his reaction to the vision of it actually happening is to blush furiously with a hand over his mouth rather than having any sort of disgusted reaction. Even amidst denying his attraction to Ashley, he seems to give the choice to Ashley, letting her affirm that it won't happen or leaving the possibility open. If she says "never say never", the ending scene has the friendliest and strongest bond between the siblings, with Andrew giving Ashley a hug and Ashley showing a surprising amount of empathy towards him. Ashley, for her part, is not embarrassed at all. She seems to see BrotherSisterIncest as the natural conclusion of their relationship and as a way to keep him with her, and it's very possible Andrew recognizes this and wants to avoid it for that reason specifically.
** Mrs Graves' actions are also subject to a great deal of interpretation:
*** Is Mrs Graves an AbusiveParent and degenerate who is just as bad, if not slightly less worse than her daughter, or an apathetic, "whatever" sort of parent who simply didn't care and is content at leaving her children to their own devices?
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* RealismInducedHorror: For all the edgy ClusterFBomb filled writing and dialogue, the scenes of demonic possession, the almost cartoonishly CrapsackWorld, and [[spoiler: the infamous "funny incest scene"]], one thing that many players have claimed to be the most disturbing thing about the game is Ashley's and Andrew's relationship being a disturbingly accurate representation of real life toxic, abusive and codependent relationship. With Ashley frequently threatening Andrew, isolating him from his friends, gaslighting him, and even occasionally [[PetTheDog treating him "nicely"]], all to convince him to stay with her and continue going along with her violent shenanigans. All of which are real tactics actual abusers use to keep their victims with them in real life, with the game frequently [[PlayedForDrama portraying these traits dead seriously]] as well, further adding to the horror.
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* RealismInducedHorror: For all the edgy ClusterFBomb filled writing and dialogue, the scenes of demonic possession, the almost cartoonishly CrapsackWorld, and [[spoiler: the infamous "funny incest scene"]], one thing that many players have claimed to be the most disturbing thing about the game is Ashley's and Andrew's relationship being a disturbingly accurate representation portrayal of a real life toxic, abusive and codependent relationship. With Ashley frequently threatening Andrew, isolating him from his friends, gaslighting him, and even occasionally [[PetTheDog treating him "nicely"]], all to convince him to stay with her and continue going along with her violent shenanigans. All of which are real tactics actual abusers use in real life to keep their victims with them them. And unlike everything else in real life, with the game frequently being played for BlackComedy, these scenes are often [[PlayedForDrama portraying these traits dead seriously]] as well, played seriously]], further adding to the their horror.
