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** Carol somehow being able to resist the Ghost Rider's penance stare. Up until that point, nothing suggests that she should be able to accomplish something like this, nor would any of her powers normally allow her to protect her soul from the stare. What makes it especially egregious is that when her [[ComicBook/CivilWar2006 morally]] [[ComicBook/CivilWarII questionable]] actions in the past are taken into account, there is no way her soul wouldn't be too tainted enough to escape the penance stare unscathed.
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** Carol somehow being able to resist the Ghost Rider’s penance stare. Up until that point, nothing suggests that she should be able to accomplish something like this, nor would any of her powers normally allow her to protect her soul from the stare. What makes it especially egregious is that when her [[ComicBook/CivilWar [[ComicBook/CivilWar2006 morally]] [[ComicBook/CivilWarII questionable]] actions in the past are taken into account, there is no way her soul wouldn’t be tainted enough to escape the penance stare unscathed.
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* FanonDiscontinuity: [[spoiler:Thor fans prefer that the reveal of Firehair being Thor's mother never happened.]]
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* FanonDiscontinuity: [[spoiler:Thor fans prefer that the reveal of Firehair being Thor's mother never happened. Granted, it's since been revealed that Firehair isn't ''actually'' his biological mother, Gaea still is, it's just that Firehair resurrected him when he was killed by Laufey, making him his second mother.]]
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** [[spoiler: The Orb's presence is at least justified between being a CreatorsFavorite of Aaron's (going back to ''Original Sin'') and bringing him into ''Avengers'' to set up his supporting role in ''Avengers'' #50.]]
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** [[spoiler: The Orb's presence is at least justified between being a CreatorsFavorite of Aaron's (going back to ''Original Sin'') and bringing him into ''Avengers'' to set up his supporting role in ''Avengers'' #50.]]]]
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Issue 20, which is one big TakeThat against critics who disliked the changes done to She-Hulk, has Jennifer, after recalling how her cousin Bruce once envied her for being adored as She-Hulk while he's hated, comment on how Bruce does not understand the struggles she has to deal with as She-Hulk, such as being lusted after and sexually harassed. The problem for many readers is that given all that Bruce [[TraumaCongaLine has been throughout his life]], it's understandable why Bruce would believe how much Jennifer is better off compared to him and it makes Jennifer extremely ignorant of Bruce's own issues.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Issue 20, which is one big TakeThat against critics who disliked the changes done to She-Hulk, has Jennifer, after recalling how her cousin Bruce once envied her for being adored as She-Hulk while he's hated, comment on how Bruce does not understand the struggles she has to deal with as She-Hulk, such as being lusted after and sexually harassed. The problem for many readers is that given all that Bruce [[TraumaCongaLine has been throughout his life]], it's understandable why Bruce would believe how much Jennifer is better off compared to him and it makes Jennifer extremely ignorant of Bruce's own issues.
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** The general perception of Moon Knight's abilities in the "Age of Khonshu" arc, given Moon Knight's ability to steal other powers. One notable example is Marc being able to telekinetically take control Mjolnir because uru is suddenly considered moon rock.
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* UnexpectedCharacter: The people summoned by the Phoenix as potential hosts. Captain America, Black Panther, and She-Hulk are not unexpected choices, as this is their comic book. Neither Namor, Hyperion, Nighthawk, and Red Widow, who were already in the subplots. After that... we have Wolverine, Valkyrie (Jane Foster), Shang-Chi, Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur, and Luke Cage, who are frequent characters in Marvel Comics, but nobody would have thought as hosts of the Phoenix force. Neither Echo, Black Knight, Man-Thing and Shanna the Devil, who are not even that mainstream either. And then there are the truly bizarre options of [[spoiler:The Orb and Howard the Duck]]!
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* UnexpectedCharacter: The people summoned by the Phoenix as potential hosts. Captain America, Black Panther, and She-Hulk are not unexpected choices, as this is their comic book. Neither Namor, Hyperion, Nighthawk, and Red Widow, who were already in the subplots. After that... we have Wolverine, Valkyrie (Jane Foster), Shang-Chi, Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur, and Luke Cage, who are frequent characters in Marvel Comics, but nobody would have thought as hosts of the Phoenix force. Neither Echo, Black Knight, Man-Thing and Shanna the Devil, who are not even that mainstream either. And then there are the truly bizarre options of [[spoiler:The Orb and Howard the Duck]]!Duck]]!
** [[spoiler: The Orb's presence is at least justified between being a CreatorsFavorite of Aaron's (going back to ''Original Sin'') and bringing him into ''Avengers'' to set up his supporting role in ''Avengers'' #50.]]
** [[spoiler: The Orb's presence is at least justified between being a CreatorsFavorite of Aaron's (going back to ''Original Sin'') and bringing him into ''Avengers'' to set up his supporting role in ''Avengers'' #50.]]
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* ArcFatigue: One of the biggest criticisms of Aaron's run is that it spends over 40 issues of build-up (not helped by tie-ins to {{Crisis Crossover}}s in-between), dropping in massive reveals that come out of left field, massive escalations in the stakes, all with no indication to what the story is building up to.
* AssPull
** Carol somehow being able to resist the Ghost Rider’s penance stare. Up until that point, nothing suggests that she should be able to accomplish something like this, nor would any of her powers normally allow her to protect her soul from the stare. What makes it especially egregious is that when her [[ComicBook/CivilWar morally]] [[ComicBook/CivilWarII questionable]] actions in the past are taken into account, there is no way her soul wouldn’t be tainted enough to escape the penance stare unscathed.
** The general perception of Moon Knight's abilities in the "Age of Khonshu" arc, given Moon Knight's ability to steal other powers.
** Most of the fights in the Phoenix tournament. All characters receive the Phoenix power, meaning that they have very similar ways of fighting. Everybody can release an energy blast, everybody can shrug attacks off as if they are nothing. And then somebody wins. Why X and not Y? Either just because, or [[BecauseISaidSo because the Phoenix says so]].
** [[spoiler:Thor's mother being Firehair. Not only is there little buildup to it, but it contradicts earlier conceptions that Thor was Jord/Gaea's son.]]
* SugarWiki/AwesomeArt: Ed [=McGuiness=]' pencils have been consistently praised as a highlight.
* BrokenBase: Generally, people either think it's a high octane action book that delivers on big concepts like "Dark Celestials" while others think it's boring and filled with needless retcons.
* CompleteMonster (issue #7 ("Fire and Bone")): The {{Wendigo}}, a white stranger who befriends the very first inheritor of the ComicBook/GhostRider mantle, reveals by the end of his conversation that [[ImAHumanitarian he slaughtered and ate his entire tribe]] in a bout of sadistic, evil hunger. The Wendigo promptly follows suit on every single being within Ghost's own clan, sparing the boy out only out of amusement and dubbing him "Ghost" to begin with--"a thing that doesn't even know it's dead". The Wendigo has murdered and eaten countless people, enough that Ghost can fashion a chain with them, and he proclaims he won't stop killing until he's strong enough to be a god.
%% * CreatorsPet: The Characters/Avengers1000000BC are not liked by many fans, and it doesn't help that Aaron loves to interrupt the ongoing plots to devote an issue to them, or to blatantly shoehorn them into the current stories (and considering that we are talking about characters ''from the ice age'', yes, you have to stretch things to great lengths to do that).
* EpilepticTrees: The "Heroes Reborn" teasers had many people guessing; even after it was revealed to be spinning off from this book, people are still theorizing exactly why the world seems to have rebooted. Most people have pegged Mephisto.
* FanonDiscontinuity: [[spoiler:Thor fans prefer that the reveal of Firehair being Thor's mother never happened.]]
* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: The Phoenix tournament arc, composed by individual fights between given characters, is yet another event where multiple characters compete for the Phoenix.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The character changes for [[ComicBook/AllNewGhostRider Robbie]] and [[ComicBook/SheHulk Jen]] were heavily derided. Robbie goes from a StoicWoobie and [[IWorkAlone lone wolf]], to a dumb, energetic fanboy who constantly makes stupid quips. Meanwhile, Jen's brutish appearance, dumbed-down demeanor when Hulked out, and her questionable mental state are seen as a bad attempt to make her just like her cousin, rather than respecting her real character.
* UnexpectedCharacter: The people summoned by the Phoenix as potential hosts. Captain America, Black Panther, and She-Hulk are not unexpected choices, as this is their comic book. Neither Namor, Hyperion, Nighthawk, and Red Widow, who were already in the subplots. After that... we have Wolverine, Valkyrie (Jane Foster), Shang-Chi, Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur, and Luke Cage, who are frequent characters in Marvel Comics, but nobody would have thought as hosts of the Phoenix force. Neither Echo, Black Knight, Man-Thing and Shanna the Devil, who are not even that mainstream either. And then there are the truly bizarre options of [[spoiler:The Orb and Howard the Duck]]!
* AssPull
** Carol somehow being able to resist the Ghost Rider’s penance stare. Up until that point, nothing suggests that she should be able to accomplish something like this, nor would any of her powers normally allow her to protect her soul from the stare. What makes it especially egregious is that when her [[ComicBook/CivilWar morally]] [[ComicBook/CivilWarII questionable]] actions in the past are taken into account, there is no way her soul wouldn’t be tainted enough to escape the penance stare unscathed.
** The general perception of Moon Knight's abilities in the "Age of Khonshu" arc, given Moon Knight's ability to steal other powers.
** Most of the fights in the Phoenix tournament. All characters receive the Phoenix power, meaning that they have very similar ways of fighting. Everybody can release an energy blast, everybody can shrug attacks off as if they are nothing. And then somebody wins. Why X and not Y? Either just because, or [[BecauseISaidSo because the Phoenix says so]].
** [[spoiler:Thor's mother being Firehair. Not only is there little buildup to it, but it contradicts earlier conceptions that Thor was Jord/Gaea's son.]]
* SugarWiki/AwesomeArt: Ed [=McGuiness=]' pencils have been consistently praised as a highlight.
* BrokenBase: Generally, people either think it's a high octane action book that delivers on big concepts like "Dark Celestials" while others think it's boring and filled with needless retcons.
* CompleteMonster (issue #7 ("Fire and Bone")): The {{Wendigo}}, a white stranger who befriends the very first inheritor of the ComicBook/GhostRider mantle, reveals by the end of his conversation that [[ImAHumanitarian he slaughtered and ate his entire tribe]] in a bout of sadistic, evil hunger. The Wendigo promptly follows suit on every single being within Ghost's own clan, sparing the boy out only out of amusement and dubbing him "Ghost" to begin with--"a thing that doesn't even know it's dead". The Wendigo has murdered and eaten countless people, enough that Ghost can fashion a chain with them, and he proclaims he won't stop killing until he's strong enough to be a god.
%% * CreatorsPet: The Characters/Avengers1000000BC are not liked by many fans, and it doesn't help that Aaron loves to interrupt the ongoing plots to devote an issue to them, or to blatantly shoehorn them into the current stories (and considering that we are talking about characters ''from the ice age'', yes, you have to stretch things to great lengths to do that).
* EpilepticTrees: The "Heroes Reborn" teasers had many people guessing; even after it was revealed to be spinning off from this book, people are still theorizing exactly why the world seems to have rebooted. Most people have pegged Mephisto.
* FanonDiscontinuity: [[spoiler:Thor fans prefer that the reveal of Firehair being Thor's mother never happened.]]
* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: The Phoenix tournament arc, composed by individual fights between given characters, is yet another event where multiple characters compete for the Phoenix.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The character changes for [[ComicBook/AllNewGhostRider Robbie]] and [[ComicBook/SheHulk Jen]] were heavily derided. Robbie goes from a StoicWoobie and [[IWorkAlone lone wolf]], to a dumb, energetic fanboy who constantly makes stupid quips. Meanwhile, Jen's brutish appearance, dumbed-down demeanor when Hulked out, and her questionable mental state are seen as a bad attempt to make her just like her cousin, rather than respecting her real character.
* UnexpectedCharacter: The people summoned by the Phoenix as potential hosts. Captain America, Black Panther, and She-Hulk are not unexpected choices, as this is their comic book. Neither Namor, Hyperion, Nighthawk, and Red Widow, who were already in the subplots. After that... we have Wolverine, Valkyrie (Jane Foster), Shang-Chi, Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur, and Luke Cage, who are frequent characters in Marvel Comics, but nobody would have thought as hosts of the Phoenix force. Neither Echo, Black Knight, Man-Thing and Shanna the Devil, who are not even that mainstream either. And then there are the truly bizarre options of [[spoiler:The Orb and Howard the Duck]]!
