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** The deliberate lack of acknowledgment of Ben Parker (with his only indirect reference being a suitcase with his initials in ''Far From Home''). Some are okay with Uncle Ben being unacknowledged, given that Spider-Man's backstory and Uncle Ben's death have already been [[Film/SpiderMan1 told twice]] in [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan the previous film continuities]], and feel that Ben's presence isn't needed in this continuity and that name-dropping him wouldn't have added anything to the story as Peter has already learned "WithGreatPowerComesGreatResponsibility". Detractors, however, argue that Uncle Ben is too important to the Spider-Man mythos to go unacknowledged and that refusing to acknowledge him and pushing Tony and Happy as father figures go against the cores of Spider-Man, with them also viewing the aforementioned suitcase’s destruction as a middle finger to fans.

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** The deliberate lack of acknowledgment of Ben Parker (with his only indirect reference being a suitcase with for the vast majority of the trilogy (only referenced from his initials on Peter’s suitcase in ''Far From Home'' and a single line in ''No Way Home''). Some are okay with Uncle Ben being unacknowledged, given that Spider-Man's backstory and Uncle Ben's death have already been [[Film/SpiderMan1 told twice]] in [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan the previous film continuities]], and feel that Ben's presence isn't needed in this continuity and that name-dropping him wouldn't have added anything to the story as Peter has already learned "WithGreatPowerComesGreatResponsibility". Detractors, however, argue that Uncle Ben is too important to the Spider-Man mythos to go unacknowledged and that refusing to acknowledge him and pushing Tony and Happy as father figures go against the cores of Spider-Man, with them also viewing the aforementioned suitcase’s destruction as a middle finger to fans.
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* CommonKnowledge: Listening to fans and reading the amount of fanfics about their relationship you would think Tony and Peter have a close father and son relationship, with Tony even mentioning his complicated relationship with his father in ''Homecoming'' when he was trying to compliment Peter. However while they are shown to care for each other and Peter's death weighs heavily on Tony in ''Endgame'', their relationship is not as great as you would think. In their first meeting in ''Civil War'' Tony threatened to reveal Peter's secret to May if he didn't help, and in ''Homecoming'' Tony wasn't that involved in Peter's life and basically left most of the responsibility of making sure Peter is safe to Happy (who actually has more scenes with Peter than Tony). He is concerned for his safety in ''Infinity War'', which took place about two years after ''Homecoming'' meaning they could have gotten closer during that time, but despite what fans of the relationship imply there is little to suggest their relationship isn't simply Tony keeping an eye on Peter and occasionally mentoring him, the latter not even being that accurate as he largely just lets Peter do whatever he wants and doesn't even try to train him.

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* CommonKnowledge: Listening to fans and reading the amount of fanfics about their relationship relationship, you would think Tony and Peter have a close father and son relationship, father-son bond, with Tony even mentioning his complicated relationship with his father in ''Homecoming'' when he was trying to compliment Peter. However However, while they are shown to care for each other and Peter's death weighs heavily on Tony in ''Endgame'', their relationship is not as great smooth as you would think. In their first meeting in ''Civil War'' War'', Tony threatened to reveal Peter's secret to May if he didn't help, and in ''Homecoming'' ''Homecoming'', Tony wasn't that involved in Peter's life and basically left most of the responsibility of making sure Peter is safe his safety to Happy (who actually has more scenes with Peter than Tony). He Tony is concerned for his Peter's safety in ''Infinity War'', which took place about two years after ''Homecoming'' ''Homecoming'', meaning they could have gotten closer during that time, but despite what fans of the relationship imply imply, there is little to suggest their relationship isn't evolved beyond Tony simply Tony keeping an eye on Peter and occasionally mentoring him, the latter not even being that accurate as he largely just lets let Peter do whatever he wants wanted and doesn't didn't even try to train him.
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* ContinuityLockOut: Being part of an even larger film universe/franchise, a measure of this is to be expected. While the films do well to cover what happened outside the trilogy where necessary, there are still three entirely separate films (''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'', ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'', and ''Film/AvengersEndgame'') that would need to be seen to see all of Spider-Man's major appearances (including his ''debut'') and important events in his life. And that's not even including ''No Way Home'', which necessitates viewing of both [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy Sam Raimi's Spider-Man Trilogy]] and [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries the Amazing Spider-Man Duology]] to fully understand the events.

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* ContinuityLockOut: Being part of an even larger film universe/franchise, a measure of this is to be expected. While the films do well to cover what happened outside the trilogy where necessary, there are still three entirely separate films (''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'', ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'', and ''Film/AvengersEndgame'') that would need to be seen to see all of Spider-Man's major appearances (including his ''debut'') and important events in his life. And that's not even including ''No Way Home'', which necessitates viewing of both [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy Sam Raimi's Spider-Man Trilogy]] Creator/SamRaimi's ''Film/SpiderManTrilogy'' and [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries the Amazing Spider-Man Duology]] Marc Webb's ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries'' to fully understand the events.
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* CriticalDissonance: While critics and general audiences adored the films and they were massively successful at the box office, they have received a far more mixed response from the ''Spider-Man'' fandom, with [[BrokenBase no agreement]] over whether or not the trilogy is a good interpretation of the ''Spider-Man'' mythos and if they live up to [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy previous]] cinematic [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries interpretations]]. Also, while all three films are critically acclaimed by critics, the second film -- ''Far From Home'' -- is regarded as [[SophomoreSlump the weak link of the trilogy]] by the fandom, with some putting it up there alongside ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan2'' as one of the worst ''Spider-Man'' films.
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** The deliberate lack of acknowledgment of Ben Parker (with his only indirect reference being a suitcase with his initials in ''Far From Home''). Some are okay with Uncle Ben being unacknowledged, given that Spider-Man's backstory has already been [[Film/SpiderMan1 told twice]] in [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan the previous film continuities]], and feel that Ben's presence isn't needed in this continuity and that name-dropping him wouldn't have added anything to the story as Peter has already learned "WithGreatPowerComesGreatResponsibility". Detractors, however, argue that Uncle Ben is too important to the Spider-Man mythos to go unacknowledged and that refusing to acknowledge him and pushing Tony and Happy as father figures go against the cores of Spider-Man, with them also viewing the aforementioned suitcase’s destruction as a middle finger to fans.

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** The deliberate lack of acknowledgment of Ben Parker (with his only indirect reference being a suitcase with his initials in ''Far From Home''). Some are okay with Uncle Ben being unacknowledged, given that Spider-Man's backstory has and Uncle Ben's death have already been [[Film/SpiderMan1 told twice]] in [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan the previous film continuities]], and feel that Ben's presence isn't needed in this continuity and that name-dropping him wouldn't have added anything to the story as Peter has already learned "WithGreatPowerComesGreatResponsibility". Detractors, however, argue that Uncle Ben is too important to the Spider-Man mythos to go unacknowledged and that refusing to acknowledge him and pushing Tony and Happy as father figures go against the cores of Spider-Man, with them also viewing the aforementioned suitcase’s destruction as a middle finger to fans.
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** The deliberate lack of acknowledgment of Ben Parker with his only indirect reference being a suitcase with his initials in ''Far From Home''. Some are okay with Uncle Ben going unacknowledged, given that Spider-Man's backstory has already been [[Film/SpiderMan1 told twice]] [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan in film]], and feel that Ben’s presence isn’t needed in this continuity and that name-dropping him wouldn't have added anything to the story as Peter has already learned “WithGreatPowerComesGreatResponsibility” (not to mention it is arguably TruerToTheText, as Uncle Ben was barely acknowledged after his death in the early high school comics by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko, only becoming more of a presence after Peter graduated high school). Detractors, however, argue that Uncle Ben is too important to the Spider-Man mythos to go unacknowledged and that refusing to acknowledge him and pushing Tony and Happy as father figures go against the cores of Spider-Man, with them also viewing the aforementioned suitcase’s destruction as a middle finger to fans.

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** The deliberate lack of acknowledgment of Ben Parker with (with his only indirect reference being a suitcase with his initials in ''Far From Home''. Home''). Some are okay with Uncle Ben going being unacknowledged, given that Spider-Man's backstory has already been [[Film/SpiderMan1 told twice]] in [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan in film]], the previous film continuities]], and feel that Ben’s Ben's presence isn’t isn't needed in this continuity and that name-dropping him wouldn't have added anything to the story as Peter has already learned “WithGreatPowerComesGreatResponsibility” (not to mention it is arguably TruerToTheText, as Uncle Ben was barely acknowledged after his death in the early high school comics by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko, only becoming more of a presence after Peter graduated high school)."WithGreatPowerComesGreatResponsibility". Detractors, however, argue that Uncle Ben is too important to the Spider-Man mythos to go unacknowledged and that refusing to acknowledge him and pushing Tony and Happy as father figures go against the cores of Spider-Man, with them also viewing the aforementioned suitcase’s destruction as a middle finger to fans.

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* BrokenBase: The trilogy's [[IdiosyncraticEpisodeNaming thematic titling of "home"]] has been a point of contention amongst many. One camp thinks it's a nice way to tie the three movies together and that each one offers clever {{Double Meaning}}s. The other camp finds it to be unnecessary and confusing and would wish that each movie would just have its own standalone title without a thematic word. A subset of the latter camp thinks the thematic titling in ''Homecoming'' was fine but find the titling of ''Far From Home'' and ''No Way Home'' to be utterly pointless.

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The trilogy's [[IdiosyncraticEpisodeNaming thematic titling of "home"]] has been a point of contention amongst many. One camp thinks it's a nice way to tie the three movies together and that each one offers clever {{Double Meaning}}s. The other camp finds it to be unnecessary and confusing and would wish that each movie would just have its own standalone title without a thematic word. A subset of the latter camp thinks the thematic titling in ''Homecoming'' was fine but find the titling of ''Far From Home'' and ''No Way Home'' to be utterly pointless.pointless.
** The deliberate lack of acknowledgment of Ben Parker with his only indirect reference being a suitcase with his initials in ''Far From Home''. Some are okay with Uncle Ben going unacknowledged, given that Spider-Man's backstory has already been [[Film/SpiderMan1 told twice]] [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan in film]], and feel that Ben’s presence isn’t needed in this continuity and that name-dropping him wouldn't have added anything to the story as Peter has already learned “WithGreatPowerComesGreatResponsibility” (not to mention it is arguably TruerToTheText, as Uncle Ben was barely acknowledged after his death in the early high school comics by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko, only becoming more of a presence after Peter graduated high school). Detractors, however, argue that Uncle Ben is too important to the Spider-Man mythos to go unacknowledged and that refusing to acknowledge him and pushing Tony and Happy as father figures go against the cores of Spider-Man, with them also viewing the aforementioned suitcase’s destruction as a middle finger to fans.
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** After the disappointing performance of ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan2'', Marvel had to work in order to renew faith in the film franchise with the solo ''Spider-Man'' movie, along with whatever movie the character appears in beforehand. Judging by fan reactions to his role in ''Civil War'', they're off to an [[JustForPun amazing]] start.

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** After the disappointing performance of ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan2'', Marvel had to work in order to renew faith in the film franchise with the solo ''Spider-Man'' movie, along with whatever movie the character appears in beforehand. Judging by fan reactions to his role in ''Civil War'', they're off to an [[JustForPun amazing]] amazing start.
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* ActorShipping: Fans began shipping Creator/TomHolland and Creator/{{Zendaya}} since the beginning of the trilogy (to the point that this very wiki falsely reported that they began dating during the making of ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming''). Of course, they did start [[RomanceOnTheSet dating for real during the production]] of ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome''.
* {{Adorkable}}:
** As is commonly expected amongst Spider-Man protagonists, Creator/TomHolland's incarnation of Peter Parker is depicted as a socially awkward NiceGuy who is shown to be friendly and welcoming towards others and can end up flustered or in awkward situations whenever faced with some of the perks of being a superhero with a secret identity throughout all 3 films.
** As can “guy in the chair” Ned Leeds, whose attempts to become a legitimate sidekick to Peter (which gradually become more successful) and his admiration for his friend, combined with his own social awkwardness, all make him rather endearing to watch.
** Once MJ [[DefrostingIceQueen starts warming up and letting her guard down]], she proves she can be quite the goofy dork in her own right. Especially when she’s awkwardly trying to flirt with Peter, and is clearly flustered that he’s flirting back.
* BrokenBase: The trilogy's [[IdiosyncraticEpisodeNaming thematic titling of "home"]] has been a point of contention amongst many. One camp thinks it's a nice way to tie the three movies together and that each one offers clever {{Double Meaning}}s. The other camp finds it to be unnecessary and confusing and would wish that each movie would just have its own standalone title without a thematic word. A subset of the latter camp thinks the thematic titling in ''Homecoming'' was fine but find the titling of ''Far From Home'' and ''No Way Home'' to be utterly pointless.
* CantUnHearIt: Creator/TomHolland's take as the Wall Crawler is really popular.
* CommonKnowledge: Listening to fans and reading the amount of fanfics about their relationship you would think Tony and Peter have a close father and son relationship, with Tony even mentioning his complicated relationship with his father in ''Homecoming'' when he was trying to compliment Peter. However while they are shown to care for each other and Peter's death weighs heavily on Tony in ''Endgame'', their relationship is not as great as you would think. In their first meeting in ''Civil War'' Tony threatened to reveal Peter's secret to May if he didn't help, and in ''Homecoming'' Tony wasn't that involved in Peter's life and basically left most of the responsibility of making sure Peter is safe to Happy (who actually has more scenes with Peter than Tony). He is concerned for his safety in ''Infinity War'', which took place about two years after ''Homecoming'' meaning they could have gotten closer during that time, but despite what fans of the relationship imply there is little to suggest their relationship isn't simply Tony keeping an eye on Peter and occasionally mentoring him, the latter not even being that accurate as he largely just lets Peter do whatever he wants and doesn't even try to train him.
* ContinuityLockOut: Being part of an even larger film universe/franchise, a measure of this is to be expected. While the films do well to cover what happened outside the trilogy where necessary, there are still three entirely separate films (''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'', ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'', and ''Film/AvengersEndgame'') that would need to be seen to see all of Spider-Man's major appearances (including his ''debut'') and important events in his life. And that's not even including ''No Way Home'', which necessitates viewing of both [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy Sam Raimi's Spider-Man Trilogy]] and [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries the Amazing Spider-Man Duology]] to fully understand the events.
* DesignatedHero: Like with the rest of the MCU, Tony can be this at times; as while the films try to portray him as a mentor to Peter in ''Homecoming'' and have Peter struggle to live up to his legacy in ''Far From Home'', both of the villains in those films exist because of his actions. While it is justified that Peter would see him as a flawless hero to live up to, Tony's mistakes are never truly acknowledged.
* FandomEnragingMisconception:
** Do not mention Tony Stark (or/and Happy Hogan) as Peter's Uncle Ben.
** Do not say Peter only wins because Tony Stark gave him technology. Fans WILL point out that the two first films depict Peter making mistakes due to reliance on Stark tech and win the final battles using Spider-Man specific abilities (being forced to use his homemade suit and web shooters in the first film and having to rely on his Peter Tingle in the second).
* FandomRivalry: With the ''Film/SpiderManTrilogy'' and ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries'', with its fans often putting aside their own rivalry simply to complain about this iteration of the character. Individually, fans of the Raimi trilogy consider the MCU version to be too different from the original trilogy while TASM fans hate that their films were cancelled, but both groups often agree that their versions were more accurate to the comics than the MCU version which essentially turned Spider-Man into Iron Man's sidekick. MCU fans argue that while there are surface differences, it updates some older elements while being accurate to the low-stakes high school experience of the original comics. They also feel that Raimi fans have NostalgiaFilter and that TASM fans are choosing to ignore the problems with those films simply out of anger.
* FandomSpecificPlot: There are two major stories that reappear often: Peter being abused in some scenario, often by May's new boyfriend or even May herself, which leads to Tony taking care of him and adopting him; and Peter either being adopted by Tony, being revealed to be Tony's biological son or always having been Tony's son.
* FridgeBrilliance: It's fitting for Peter to be the MCU hero that likes LEGO. Not only is he one of the youngest heroes, he was the first licensed superhero (even before Batman) to be made into a minifigure.
* HypeBacklash: While most, if not all, praise Tom Holland himself for his acting ability and endearing off-screen presence, there's been a growing trend of people who really dislike how his film version is portrayed, which is a contributing factor to Tony Stark's own HypeBacklash given Peter is written as a fanboy of Tony. Peter suffers from a major AdaptationPersonalityChange, going from a somewhat nerdy, insecure Everyman who appreciated other heroes and playfully idolised Captain America, but was more [[IWorkAlone the loner]] due to being socially awkward, to instead being a more confident nerdy teen who utterly adores other heroes, ''especially'' Iron Man, whom he sees as a surrogate father and spends more time [[spoiler:grieving for]] than he's done for his Uncle Ben, who isn't even ''mentioned by name''. Much of Peter's traditional canon personality is instead InformedAttribute, where we're merely told he's unpopular, poor, and not great with girls, despite having no shortage of friends, being well-liked by his classmates outside of Flash Thompson [[note]](who inversely, is written as an effeminate [[TheFriendNobodyLikes classmate nobody likes]] whose backstory of being abused at home is reduced to a joke about being neglected)[[/note]] (which is not entirely accurate, though, as ''Homecoming'' shows all the popular kids easily siding with Flash to make fun of Peter at Liz's party and Liz only invites Peter in the first place because he is friends with Spider-Man), attends an expensive charter school with no indication how Aunt May pays for it, and has no trouble pursuing his love interests. However, due to the films' popularity and Creator/TomHolland's beloved status, the films are considered and treated as the ''best'' take on Spider-Man, something that's contested by fans of the previous film franchises, the animated shows, and the comics.
* MemeticMutation: "I'm the CEO of Sex".[[labelnote:Explanation]] A pic of Jacob Batalon in the premiere of ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming'' has gone viral with this caption, and this has has become a minor FanNickname for Ned Leeds. Initially created in 2019, it really took off in 2021 following the release of ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome''.[[/labelnote]]
* ReplacementScrappy: Two notable ones from the ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'' mythos.
** [[ComicBook/IronMan Tony Stark]] gets ''a lot'' of flak from many Spider-Man fans for effectively removing Ben Parker's influence and impact on this version of Peter. Even those who don't want another on-screen rehash of Ben's DeathByOriginStory wished that the films at least mention him explicitly.
** Michelle Jones being set up as Peter Parker's LoveInterest annoyed fans who were holding out for ComicBook/MaryJaneWatson's potential appearance in the MCU down the line. The fact that Michelle goes by MJ, which is Mary Jane's nickname, is a subject of contention among fans. ''No Way Home'' [[ContinuityDrift then reveals]] her last name to really be Jones-Watson, further complicating things.
* RonTheDeathEater: A surprising number of fanfics have come involving May starting a new relationship and her new boyfriend being abusive towards Peter. These stories usually portray May as being unaware of the situation as Peter feels like he has to hide it and they usually end with him confessing the truth to Tony and May feeling guilty that she didn't notice what was happening. However a decent amount of stories, usually showing that May had remarried during the five years between ''Infinity War'' and ''Endgame'', have May be complicit with the abuse all to justify why Tony could adopt Peter and prove he's a better parent than May.
* SophomoreSlump: ''[[Film/SpiderManFarFromHome Far From Home]]'', when compared to ''[[Film/SpiderManHomecoming Homecoming]]'' and ''[[Film/SpiderManNoWayHome No Way Home]]'' is considered somewhat average, though, [[ContestedSequel opinions vary]]. This is certainly not helped by the fact that ''Far From Home'' had the [[ToughActToFollow unpleasant task of following]] [[Film/AvengersEndgame an extremely well-received MCU movie]] and [[WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse possibly the best Spider-Man movie]] made up to that point, whereas ''Homecoming'' was preceded by the very divisive ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan2'' and ''No Way Home'' is universally considered a SurprisinglyImprovedSequel.
* SpiritualAdaptation: Some have noted that, due to the agreement to have at least one high-profile Marvel GuestStar appear alongside Spider-Man per movie, these films are the closest thing to a LiveActionAdaptation of ''ComicBook/MarvelTeamUp'' that we'll ever get.
* StrangledByTheRedString: Peter suddenly finds himself attracted to Michelle in the second film despite no {{Foreshadowing}} on his part and pining over Liz throughout the first film, but they became the OfficialCouple from then on [[spoiler:until the ending of the third film thanks to the memory-wipe spell]]. Somewhat justified as ''Homecoming'' took place a few months after ''Civil War'' in 2016, and ''Infinity War'' took place in 2018, meaning there was plenty of time for his feelings to change before then and it's likely the shared experience of dying and being brought back five years later would have caused them to grow closer between ''Endgame'' and ''Far From Home''.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The main gripes of the films' critics it how it changed several aspects from the mythos, the changes in the character and absence of Uncle Ben's presence (with him being essentially replaced by Tony Stark [[ReplacementScrappy as mentioned above]]) in particular being frequently pointed out. Although ''No Way Home'' succeeded in changing many people's minds about this iteration due to essentially retconning the trilogy into an extended origin story for MCU Spider-Man.
* WinBackTheCrowd:
** After the disappointing performance of ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan2'', Marvel had to work in order to renew faith in the film franchise with the solo ''Spider-Man'' movie, along with whatever movie the character appears in beforehand. Judging by fan reactions to his role in ''Civil War'', they're off to an [[JustForPun amazing]] start.
** ''No Way Home'' turned around many people's minds on this version of Spidey via its ending which [[spoiler: erases Peter's public existence and knowledge of him as Spider-Man. That, coupled with dismissing Stark Industries, all the nanotechnology and fancy gadgets it provided, as well as any support from the Avengers, forcing Peter to scrape by with a homemade costume again, enables future filmmakers to hew the next set of movies [[TruerToTheText far closer to the comics]] with him as a broke, working-class loner, living in a shabby apartment, juggling work, college and personal issues with his vigilantism.]]
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