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** Cathy, at least from when she gets separated from Nick up until Steve and Rachel save her; she certainly experiences the most traumatic and terrifying events in the house apart from Emery and Vic. On the other hand, some argue she did kind of deserve it, being TooDumbToLive and going out at night with Nick (and [[spoiler:getting him killed, to boot]]), ''all because she wanted some iced tea'' (though that seemed to be more of an excuse she made to get away from Emery's jerkassery and Joyce's increasing instability. It cannot be denied, however, that for all her naivete and GenreBlind nature, she was still one of the nicest and most genuinely caring people in the group who didn't deserve what happened to her.

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** Cathy, at least from when she gets separated from Nick up until Steve and Rachel save her; she certainly experiences the most traumatic and terrifying events in the house apart from Emery and Vic. On the other hand, some argue she did kind of deserve it, being TooDumbToLive and going out at night with Nick (and [[spoiler:getting him killed, to boot]]), ''all because she wanted some iced tea'' (though that seemed to be more of an excuse she made to get away from Emery's jerkassery and Joyce's increasing instability.instability). It cannot be denied, however, that for all her naivete and GenreBlind nature, she was still one of the nicest and most genuinely caring people in the group who didn't deserve what happened to her.

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* EsotericHappyEnding: At the end of the film, Rose Red is scheduled to be destroyed, and replaced with condominiums. This would seem like a happy ending - except that the land was dangerous and prone to killing people even before Rose Red was built. The new condos might well end up turning out just as bad as Rose Red, but with a lot more people available to eat now. Though the final shot is actually ambiguous: Sukeena and Ellen look a lot less threatening and frightening (the fact they've become misty white figures certainly softens the horror), and they actually seem to be communing with [[spoiler:Joyce]] who only watches pensively/wistfully as the others leave. A case could be made that what Annie did has broken the power of the house, and now the spirits haunting it are free to move on. On the other hand, the slogan for the condominium company as seen on the banner in the same scene ("We build for the future") is extremely ominous in context and could mean the horror will keep on going. It's really up to the viewer to decide.
** Let's also keep in mind that, for all Steve's bragging about the demolition crew taking a wrecking ball to Rose Red, this was taking place during a time when demolition crews were moving to safer methods of destruction, like excavators and explosives. Rose Red was killing people ''before'' it was finished. So what kind of damage will it do to a demolition crew wandering the property?

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* EsotericHappyEnding: At the end of the film, Rose Red is scheduled to be destroyed, and replaced with condominiums. This would seem like a happy ending - except that the land was dangerous and prone to killing people even before Rose Red was built. The new condos might well end up turning out just as bad as Rose Red, but with a lot more people available to eat now. Though the final shot is actually ambiguous: Sukeena and Ellen look a lot less threatening and frightening (the fact they've become misty white figures certainly softens the horror), and they actually seem to be communing with [[spoiler:Joyce]] who only watches pensively/wistfully as the others leave. A case could be made that what Annie did has broken the power of the house, and now the spirits haunting it are free to move on. On the other hand, the slogan for the condominium company as seen on the banner in the same scene ("We build for the future") is extremely ominous in context and could mean the horror will keep on going. It's really up to the viewer to decide.
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decide. Also keep in mind that, for all Steve's bragging about the demolition crew taking a wrecking ball to Rose Red, this was taking place during a time when demolition crews were moving to safer methods of destruction, like excavators and explosives. Rose Red was killing people ''before'' it was finished. So what kind of damage will it do to a demolition crew wandering the property?



* TheWoobie: Cathy, at least from when she gets separated from Nick up until Steve and Rachel save her; she certainly experiences the most traumatic and terrifying events in the house apart from Emery and Vic.
** On the other hand, some argue she did kind of deserve it, being TooDumbToLive and going out at night with Nick (and [[spoiler:getting him killed, to boot]]), ''all because she wanted some iced tea'' (though that seemed to be more of an excuse she made to get away from Emery's jerkassery and Joyce's increasing instability. It cannot be denied, however, that for all her naivete and GenreBlind nature, she was still one of the nicest and most genuinely caring people in the group who didn't deserve what happened to her.

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Cathy, at least from when she gets separated from Nick up until Steve and Rachel save her; she certainly experiences the most traumatic and terrifying events in the house apart from Emery and Vic.
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Vic. On the other hand, some argue she did kind of deserve it, being TooDumbToLive and going out at night with Nick (and [[spoiler:getting him killed, to boot]]), ''all because she wanted some iced tea'' (though that seemed to be more of an excuse she made to get away from Emery's jerkassery and Joyce's increasing instability. It cannot be denied, however, that for all her naivete and GenreBlind nature, she was still one of the nicest and most genuinely caring people in the group who didn't deserve what happened to her.

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* TheWoobie: Cathy, at least from when she gets separated from Nick up until Steve and Rachel save her; she certainly experiences the most traumatic and terrifying events in the house apart from Emery and Vic. She kind of deserved it, being TooDumbToLive and going out at night with Nick (and [[spoiler:getting him killed, to boot]]), ''all because she wanted some iced tea'' (though that seemed to be more of an excuse she made to get away from Emery's jerkassery and Joyce's increasing instability), but it can't be denied that for all her naivete and GenreBlind nature, she was still one of the nicest and most genuinely caring people in the group who didn't deserve what happened to her.

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* TheWoobie: Cathy, at least from when she gets separated from Nick up until Steve and Rachel save her; she certainly experiences the most traumatic and terrifying events in the house apart from Emery and Vic. She
** On the other hand, some argue she did
kind of deserved deserve it, being TooDumbToLive and going out at night with Nick (and [[spoiler:getting him killed, to boot]]), ''all because she wanted some iced tea'' (though that seemed to be more of an excuse she made to get away from Emery's jerkassery and Joyce's increasing instability), but it can't instability. It cannot be denied denied, however, that for all her naivete and GenreBlind nature, she was still one of the nicest and most genuinely caring people in the group who didn't deserve what happened to her.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Nick.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Nick.Nick, with his UnfazedEveryman DeadpanSnarker personality and his [[spoiler:going out by way of HeroicSacrifice, rescuing Cathy from the being under the carpet]].
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* TearJerker: In a meta sense: following Julian Sands' death in 2023, Melanie Lynskey wrote a heartfelt tribute to him on her [[https://www.instagram.com/p/CuD2xnrrINV/ Instagram]], detailing how the two of them had bonded during filming and how much she appreciated and would miss him.
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** The scene where Joyce gets back at Miller for revoking her tenure by wiping the blood from a cut on his face is deeply disturbing, from the look on her face/in her eyes, to her whispering tone, to how she backs him up against a wall and gets right up in his ear; as much as he is a SmugSnake and {{Jerkass}}, you can't really blame him for freaking out. Whether this might be some bit of Ellen/Rose Red already influencing her (it's been shown to be able to make contact with both Annie and Emery already), or simply her being fed up with Miller and wanting to scare the hell out of him, it's clear Joyce is already a bit unstable, and Nancy Travis plays it ''very'' well.

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** The scene where Joyce gets back at Miller for revoking her tenure by wiping the blood from a cut on his face is deeply disturbing, from the look on her face/in her eyes, to her whispering tone, to how she backs him up against a wall and gets right up in his ear; as much as he is a SmugSnake and {{Jerkass}}, you can't really blame him for freaking out. Whether this might be some bit of Ellen/Rose Red already influencing her (it's been shown to be able to make contact with both Annie and Emery already), or simply her being fed up with Miller and wanting to scare the hell out of him, it's clear Joyce is already a bit unstable, and Nancy Travis Creator/NancyTravis plays it ''very'' well.
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** Let's also keep in mind that, for all Steve's bragging about the demolition crew taking a wrecking ball to Rose Red, this was taking place during a time when demolition crews were moving to safer methods of destruction, like excavators and explosives. Rose Red was killing people ''before'' it was finished. So what kind of damage will it do to a demolition crew wandering the property?
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* EsotericHappyEnding: At the end of the film, Rose Red is scheduled to be destroyed, and replaced with condominiums. This would seem like a happy ending - except that the land was dangerous and prone to killing people even before Rose Red was built. The new condos might well end up turning just as bad as Rose Red, but with a lot more people available to eat now. Though the final shot is actually ambiguous: Sukeena and Ellen look a lot less threatening and frightening (the fact they've become misty white figures certainly softens the horror), and they actually seem to be communing with [[spoiler:Joyce]] who only watches pensively/wistfully as the others leave. A case could be made that what Annie did has broken the power of the house, and now the spirits haunting it are free to move on. On the other hand, the slogan for the condominium company as seen on the banner in the same scene ("We build for the future") is extremely ominous in context and could mean the horror will keep on going. It's really up to the viewer to decide.

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* EsotericHappyEnding: At the end of the film, Rose Red is scheduled to be destroyed, and replaced with condominiums. This would seem like a happy ending - except that the land was dangerous and prone to killing people even before Rose Red was built. The new condos might well end up turning out just as bad as Rose Red, but with a lot more people available to eat now. Though the final shot is actually ambiguous: Sukeena and Ellen look a lot less threatening and frightening (the fact they've become misty white figures certainly softens the horror), and they actually seem to be communing with [[spoiler:Joyce]] who only watches pensively/wistfully as the others leave. A case could be made that what Annie did has broken the power of the house, and now the spirits haunting it are free to move on. On the other hand, the slogan for the condominium company as seen on the banner in the same scene ("We build for the future") is extremely ominous in context and could mean the horror will keep on going. It's really up to the viewer to decide.
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* EsotericHappyEnding: At the end of the film, Rose Red is scheduled to be destroyed, and replaced with condominiums. This would seem like a happy ending - except that the land was dangerous and prone to killing people even before Rose Red was built. The new condos might well end up turning just as bad as Rose Red, but with a lot more people available to eat now. Though the final shot is actually ambiguous: Sukeena and Ellen look a lot less threatening and frightening (the fact they've become misty white figures certainly softens the horror), and they actually seem to be communing with [[spoiler:Joyce]] who only watches pensively/wistfully as the others leave. A case could be made that what Annie did has broken the power of the house, and now the spirits haunting it are free to move on; it's really up to the viewer to decide.

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* EsotericHappyEnding: At the end of the film, Rose Red is scheduled to be destroyed, and replaced with condominiums. This would seem like a happy ending - except that the land was dangerous and prone to killing people even before Rose Red was built. The new condos might well end up turning just as bad as Rose Red, but with a lot more people available to eat now. Though the final shot is actually ambiguous: Sukeena and Ellen look a lot less threatening and frightening (the fact they've become misty white figures certainly softens the horror), and they actually seem to be communing with [[spoiler:Joyce]] who only watches pensively/wistfully as the others leave. A case could be made that what Annie did has broken the power of the house, and now the spirits haunting it are free to move on; it's on. On the other hand, the slogan for the condominium company as seen on the banner in the same scene ("We build for the future") is extremely ominous in context and could mean the horror will keep on going. It's really up to the viewer to decide.
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** [[spoiler: TheReveal scene where Cathy is lost in the house (within the attic too where a portrait of Ellen and John is) and has a vision of Sukeena tricking John into thinking she wants him only for her and Ellen to throw him off the roof (through the rose-stained glass room), instead of the implied suicide death. When Cathy comes back into existence, Ellen in the photo looks more ''vampire and monstrous''. And then she '''''[[OhCrap begins to move inside the photo...]]''''']]

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** [[spoiler: TheReveal scene where Cathy is lost in the house (within the attic too where a portrait of Ellen and John is) and has a vision of Sukeena tricking John into thinking she wants him only for her and Ellen to throw him off the roof (through the rose-stained glass room), stained-glass rose window of the tower), instead of the implied suicide death. When Cathy comes back into existence, out of her trance, Ellen in the photo looks more ''vampire ''vampiric and monstrous''. And then she '''''[[OhCrap begins to move inside the photo...]]''''']]
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** [[spoiler: TheReveal scene where Cathy is lost in the house (within the attic too where a portrait of Ellen and John is) and has a vision of Sukeena tricking John into thinking she wants him only for her and Ellen to throw him off the roof (through the rose-stained glass room), instead of the implied suicide death. When Cathy comes back into existence, Ellen in the photo looks more ''vampire and monstrous''. And then she '''''[[OhCrap begins to movie inside the photo...]]''''']]

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** [[spoiler: TheReveal scene where Cathy is lost in the house (within the attic too where a portrait of Ellen and John is) and has a vision of Sukeena tricking John into thinking she wants him only for her and Ellen to throw him off the roof (through the rose-stained glass room), instead of the implied suicide death. When Cathy comes back into existence, Ellen in the photo looks more ''vampire and monstrous''. And then she '''''[[OhCrap begins to movie move inside the photo...]]''''']]

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