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** All the Mexican slang is changed with either Spaniard equivalents or with more formal versions. One of the more controversial and mocked changes from the original film was replacing the reference of "Gansito" (a famous, almost memetic, brand of chocolate Twinkie-like cakes) to "Ganchito" (which, in Spain, is a ''very'' different stuff, as is a cheese-flavored snack, and sold in the U.S. as Cheez Doodles). [[CriticalResearchFailure Keep in mind in Mexico Cheez Doodles weren't available there until the 80s, while the film takes place in later 60s-70s]].

* AwardSnub: While it did win three Oscars – Best Foreign Language Film, Best Cinematography and Best Director – and many film pundits expected it to win for Best Picture, it lost to the very controversial and middlebrow ''Film/GreenBook''.

* AwardSnub: While it did win three Oscars – Best Foreign Language Film, Best Cinematography and Best Director – and many film pundits expected it to win for Best Picture, it lost to the very controversial and middlebrow ''Film/GreenBook''. There are some suspecting it lost because [[NewMediaAreEvil the Academy didn’t want to award the big prize to a film released on a streaming service]], such as Creator/{{Netflix}} (even though it was released in enough theaters to qualify for awards), making this a prime example of the Oscars’ refusal to truly take films made on streaming services seriously.

* BrokenBase:
** The film received some criticism upon its release by detractors arguing that Cuarón romanticized poverty and working in the servant class. Others argued that the film was an honest and realistic portrayal that humanizes the family maids, who are rarely seen in films, something that is even truer for Mexico's indigenous population and Mixtec speakers.
** Another notorious controversy is with regards with the subtitles for the Spaniard release of the film, as due to the heavy use of Mexican slang, both the theater and Netflix versions of the movie shown in Spain included [[SameLanguageDub European Spanish subtitles]], despite being a Spanish-language film, in an attempt to "translate" the Mexican dialogue for the Spaniard audiences, by replacing it with European equivalents. There's two sides of this controversy: Those who are against this, [[https://elpais.com/cultura/2019/01/08/actualidad/1546979782_501950.html?rel=lom including Cuarón himself]] (in Spanish), as they considered this as stupid and [[UnfortunateImplications offensive]], even for Spaniards themselves, and those who think this is a necessary evil to make the entire film more accessible for people who doesn't understand period-related Mexican Spanish.[[note]]Keep in mind Mexico, the rest of the Latin American countries and Spain [[OlderThanTheyThink had already done this with their respective dialects for decades, both with dubs and subs as well]].[[/note]] See {{Woolseyism}} for details.

* {{Woolseyism}}: As mentioned above, the European Spanish release of the film included Spaniard subtitles, which does the following adaptations:

* ValuesDissonance:
** The use of housekeepers and nannies is more ubiquitous in Mexico than in the United States, where only upper-class households tend to use them, leading some to be far less sympathetic to the family's plight and more critical of their assessment of the family's behavior toward Cleo.
** One house had taxidermized heads of the family's dearly departed dogs. This would not fly too well in the USA- where taxidermy is more common for wild animals, and where family pets are usually buried or cremated like humans are.
** The lone Yankee lady is the only woman wearing pants. The Mexican women- regardless of ancestry- are wearing skirts or dresses in the same scene.

* TearJerker: The hospital scene. [[spoiler:After her own employer declines staying with her to comfort her during labor, Cleo gives birth to a stillborn baby, who she only gets a few seconds with before it's taken away.]]

* ValuesDissonance: The use of housekeepers and nannies is more ubiquitous in Mexico than in the United States, where only upper-class households tend to use them, leading some to be far less sympathetic to the family's plight and more critical of their assessment of the family's behavior toward Cleo.

* AwardSnub: While it did win three Oscars – Best Foreign Language Film, Best Cinematography and Best Director – and many film pundits expected it to win for Best Picture, it lost to the very controversial and middlebrow ''Film/GreenBook''. There are some suspecting it lost because the Academy didn’t want to award the big prize to a film released on a streaming service, such as Creator/{{Netflix}} (even though it was released in enough theaters to qualify for awards), making this a prime example of the Oscars’ refusal to truly take films made on streaming services seriously.

** One house had taxidermized heads of the family's dearly departed dogs. This would not fly to well in the USA- where taxidermy is more common for wild animals, and where family pets are usually buried or cremated like humans are.

* AwardSnub: While it did win three Oscars – Best Foreign Language Film, Best Cinematography and Best Director – and many film pundits expected it to win for Best Picture, it lost to the very controversial and middlebrow ''Film/GreenBook''. There are some suspecting it lost because the Academy didn’t want to award the big prize to a film released on a streaming service, such as Creator/Netflix (even though it was released in enough theaters to qualify for awards), making this a prime example of the Oscars’ refusal to truly take films made on streaming services seriously.

* AwardSnub: While it did win three Oscars – Best Foreign Language Film, Best Cinematography and Best Director – and many film pundits expected it to win for Best Picture, it lost to the very controversial and middlebrow ''Film/GreenBook''.

* AwardSnub: While it did won three Oscars (Best Foreign-Language Film, Best Cinematography and Best Director) and many film pundits expected it to win for Best Picture, it lost to the very controversial film, ''Film/GreenBook''.

** Another notorious controversy is with regards with the subtitles for the Spaniard release of the film, as due to the heavy use of Mexican slang, both the theater and Netflix versions of the movie shown in Spain included [[SameLanguageDub European Spanish subtitles]], despite being a Spanish-language film, in an attempt to "translate" the Mexican dialogue for the Spaniard audiences, by replacing it with European equivalents. There's two sides of this controversy: Those who are against this, [[https://elpais.com/cultura/2019/01/08/actualidad/1546979782_501950.html?rel=lom including Cuarón himself]] (in Spanish), as they considered this as stupid and [[UnfortunateImplications offensive]], even for Spaniards themselves, and those who think this is a necessary evil to make the entire film more accessible for people who doesn't understand period-related Mexican Spanish.[[note]]Keep in mind Mexico, the rest of the Latin American countries and Spain [[OlderThanTheyThink had already done this with their respective dialects since decades ago, both with dubs and subs as well]].[[/note]] See {{Woolseyism}} for details.

** ''Voseo'' is included, as Mexicans does not use it at all.

** Another, albeit minor, controversy is with regards with the subtitles for the Spaniard release of the film, as due to the heavy use of Mexican slang, both the theater and Netflix versions of the movie shown in Spain included [[SameLanguageDub European Spanish subtitles]], despite being a Spanish-language film, in an attempt to "translate" the Mexican dialogue for the Spaniard audiences, by replacing it with European equivalents. There's two sides of this controversy: Those who are against this, [[https://elpais.com/cultura/2019/01/08/actualidad/1546979782_501950.html?rel=lom including Cuarón himself]] (in Spanish), as they considered this as stupid and [[UnfortunateImplications offensive]], even for Spaniards themselves, and those who think this is a neccesary evil to make the entire film more accesible for people who doesn't understand period-related Mexican Spanish.[[note]]Keep in mind Mexico, the rest of the Latin American countries and Spain [[OlderThanTheyThink had already done this with their respective dialects since decades ago, both with dubs and subs as well]].[[/note]] See {{Woolseyism}} for details.

** All the Mexican slang is changed with either Spaniard equivalents or with more formal versions. One of the more controversial and mocked changes from the original film was replacing the reference of "Gansito" (a famous, almost memetic, brand of chocolate Twinkie-like cakes) to "Ganchito" (which, in Spain, is a ''very'' different stuff, as is a cheese-flavored snack, and sold in the U.S. as Cheez Doodles) [[CriticalResearchFailure Keep in mind in Mexico Cheez Doodles weren't available there until the 80s, while the film takes place in later 60s-70s]].

** All the Mexican slang is changed with either Spaniard equivalents or with more formal versions. One of the more controversial and mocked changes from the original film was replacing the reference of "Gansito" (a famous, almost memetic, brand of chocolate Twinkie-like cakes) to "Ganchito" (which, in Spain, is a ''very'' different stuff, as is a cheese-flavored snack, and sold in the U.S. as Cheez Doodle)

* ValuesDissonance: The use of housekeepers and nannies is more ubiquitous in Mexico than in the United States, where only upper-class households tend to use them, leading some to be far less sympathetic to the family's plight and more critical of their assessment of the family's behavior toward Cleo.

** Another, albeit minor, controversy is with regards with the subtitles for the Spaniard release of the film, as due to the heavy use of Mexican slang, both the theater and Netflix versions of the movie shown in Spain included [[SameLanguageDub European Spanish subtitles]], despite being a Spanish-language film, in an attempt to "translate" the Mexican dialogue for the Spaniard audiences, by replacing it with European equivalents. There's two sides of this controversy: Those who are against this, [[https://elpais.com/cultura/2019/01/08/actualidad/1546979782_501950.html?rel=lom including Cuarón himself]] (in Spanish), as they considered this as stupid and [[UnfortunateImplications offensive]], even for Spaniards themselves, and those who think this is a neccesary evil to make the entire film more accesible for people who doesn't understand period-related Mexican Spanish.[[note]]Keep in mind Mexico, the rest of the Latin American countries and Spain [[OlderThanTheyThink had already done this with their respective dialects since decades ago, both with dubs and subs as well]].[[/note]] See {{Woolseyism}} for details.

* BrokenBase: The film received some criticism upon its release by detractors arguing that Cuarón romanticized poverty and working in the servant class. Others argued that the film was an honest and realistic portrayal that humanizes the family maids, who are rarely seen in films, something that is even truer for Mexico's indigenous population and Mixtec speakers.

* BrokenBase: The film received some criticism upon its release by detractors arguing that Cuarón romanticized poverty and working in the servant class. Others argued that the film was an honest and realistic portrayal, and that by shedding light on family maids – who are rarely* NightmareFuel: The Corpus Christi massacre. Like [[Film/ChildrenOfMen the director's other film containing violence]], the suddenness of the attack is shocking, followed immediately by a couple racing into the store to try to hide the male half of the pair, only for him to be shot to death in front of the terrified customers.

* BrokenBase: The film received some criticism upon its release by detractors arguing that Cuarón romanticized poverty and working in the servant class. Others argued that the film was an honest and realistic portrayal, and that by shedding light on family maids – who are rarely seen in films, which is even truer for Mexico's indigenous population and Mixtec speakers – and humanizing them, it would lead to self-reflection from those who employ them. See ValuesDissonance below.
* NightmareFuel: The Corpus Christi massacre. Like [[Film/ChildrenOfMen the director's other film containing violence]], the suddenness of the attack is shocking, followed immediately by a couple racing into the store to try to hide the male half of the pair, only for him to be shot to death in front of the terrified customers.

* UnfortunateImplications: The film received some criticism upon its release by detractors arguing that Cuarón idealized and romanticized poverty and working in the servant class, while others argued that the film was an honest and realistic portrayal, and that by shedding light on family maids and humanizing them, it would lead to self-reflection from those who employ them. See ValuesDissonance below.

* UnfortunateImplications: The film received some criticism upon its release by detractors arguing that Cuarón idealized and romanticized poverty and working in the servant class, while others argued that the film was an honest and realistic portrayal, and that by shedding light on family maids and humanizing them, it would lead to self-reflection from those who employ them. See ValuesDissonance below.