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** The Brethren Court [[spoiler: not joining in the final battle]]. Some felt they already served their purpose in the narrative and that the final battle should be about the characters we have learned to care during the last three movies, while other fans think it made their addition on the movie pointless.
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** The Calypso subplot. Some fans thought [[TrappedByMountainLions it didn't add anything to the story]] given [[spoiler: once freeded, she doesn't end up helping neither side which translates as the DarkestHour for the Brethren Court]], which some fans felt it makes the subplot a waste of time in an already bloated movie. Other fans enjoyed the exploration of her relationship with Davy Jones and argue that [[spoiler: without her creating the maelstrom, the pirates wouldn't had won the war]].

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** The Calypso subplot. Some fans thought [[TrappedByMountainLions it didn't add anything to the story]] given [[spoiler: once freeded, freed, she doesn't end up helping neither side which translates as the DarkestHour for the Brethren Court]], which some fans felt it makes the subplot a waste of time in an already bloated movie. Other fans enjoyed the exploration of her relationship with Davy Jones and argue that [[spoiler: without her creating the maelstrom, the pirates wouldn't had won the war]].



** The movie mostly ignoring the Will/Elizabeth/Jack LoveTriangle from the previous movie has leaded to multiple opinions, Jack/Elizabeth shippers were pissed off that the tension from the previous movie was nothing but a HopeSpot from the writers and sees as a waste of a perfectly good romantic subplot. Those who thought the Jack/Elizabeth teasing was forced in the first place were glad it was barely adressed given Will/Elizabeth is a ForegoneConclusion.
* CaptainObviousReveal: [[spoiler: Calypso is Tia Dalma. There's three named female characters in the movie. One is the protagonist, the other is a minor Pirate Lord and the other is a mysterious voodoo woman with an extensive knowledge of Davy Jones. Which of this sounds more likely to be the godess lover of Davy Jones?]]

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** The movie mostly ignoring the Will/Elizabeth/Jack LoveTriangle from the previous movie has leaded lead to multiple opinions, Jack/Elizabeth shippers were pissed off that the tension from the previous movie was nothing but a HopeSpot from the writers and sees as a waste of a perfectly good romantic subplot. Those who thought the Jack/Elizabeth teasing was forced in the first place were glad it was barely adressed given Will/Elizabeth is a ForegoneConclusion.
* CaptainObviousReveal: [[spoiler: Calypso is Tia Dalma. There's three named female characters in the movie. One is the protagonist, the other is a minor Pirate Lord and the other is a mysterious voodoo woman with an extensive knowledge of Davy Jones. Which of this sounds these sound more likely to be the godess goddess lover of Davy Jones?]]
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** The Calypso subplot. Some fans thought [[TrappedByMountainLions it didn't add anything to the story]] given [[spoiler: once freeded, she doesn't end up helping neither side which translates as the DarkestHour for the Brethren Court]], which some fans felt it makes the subplot a waste of time in an already bloated movie. Other fans enjoyed the exploration of her relationship with Davy Jones and argue that [[spoiler: without her creating the maelstrom, the pirates wouldn't had won the war]]

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** The Calypso subplot. Some fans thought [[TrappedByMountainLions it didn't add anything to the story]] given [[spoiler: once freeded, she doesn't end up helping neither side which translates as the DarkestHour for the Brethren Court]], which some fans felt it makes the subplot a waste of time in an already bloated movie. Other fans enjoyed the exploration of her relationship with Davy Jones and argue that [[spoiler: without her creating the maelstrom, the pirates wouldn't had won the war]]war]].
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** The Calypso subplot. Some fans thought [[TrappedByMountainLions it didn't add anything to the story]] given [[spoiler: once freeded, she doesn't end up helping neither side which translates as the DarkestHour for the Brethren Court]], which some fans felt it makes the subplot a waste of time in an already bloated movie. Other fans enjoyed the exploration of her relationship with Davy Jones and argue that [[spoiler: without her creating the maelstrom, the pirates wouldn't had won the war]]


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* CaptainObviousReveal: [[spoiler: Calypso is Tia Dalma. There's three named female characters in the movie. One is the protagonist, the other is a minor Pirate Lord and the other is a mysterious voodoo woman with an extensive knowledge of Davy Jones. Which of this sounds more likely to be the godess lover of Davy Jones?]]

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** The Kraken. The previous film established that the ''Flying Dutchman'', while formidable, was not unbeatable, and a lot of the strength Jones boasted was due to having such a terrifying beast at his beck and call, rather than his ship and his crew; thus, whoever controlled the heart controlled the Kraken, and thereby the sea. Yet the Kraken is unceremoniously killed off between movies, without an explanation as to how, why, or what makes Jones still unstoppable without it.



** The Kraken. The previous film established that the ''Flying Dutchman'', while formidable, was not unbeatable, and a lot of the strength Jones boasted was due to having such a terrifying beast at his beck and call, rather than his ship and his crew; thus, whoever controlled the heart controlled the Kraken, and thereby the sea. Yet the Kraken is unceremoniously killed off between movies, without an explanation as to how, why, or what makes Jones still unstoppable without it.
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** The movie mostly ignoring the Will/Elizabeth/Jack LoveTriangle from the previous movie has leaded to multiple opinions, Jack/Elizabeth shippers were pissed off that the tension from the previous movie was nothing but a HopeSpot from the writers and sees as waste of a perfectly good romantic subplot. Those who thought the Jack/Elizabeth teasing was forced in the first place were glad it was barely adressed given Will/Elizabeth is a ForegoneConclusion.

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** The movie mostly ignoring the Will/Elizabeth/Jack LoveTriangle from the previous movie has leaded to multiple opinions, Jack/Elizabeth shippers were pissed off that the tension from the previous movie was nothing but a HopeSpot from the writers and sees as a waste of a perfectly good romantic subplot. Those who thought the Jack/Elizabeth teasing was forced in the first place were glad it was barely adressed given Will/Elizabeth is a ForegoneConclusion.
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** The movie mostly ignoring the Will/Elizabeth/Jack LoveTriangle from the previous movie has leaded to multiple opinions, Jack/Elizabeth shippers were pissed off that the tension from the previous movie was nothing but a HopeSpot from the writers and sees as waste of a perfectly good romantic subplot. Those who thought the Jack/Elizabeth teasing was forced in the first place were glad it was barely adressed given Will/Elizabeth is a ForegoneConclusion.


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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: The film teases the possibility of Will and Elizabeth's relationship breaking for good while the two start going for different objectives and Jack getting in the way. Of course, it doesn't happen.

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* HesJustHiding: A variation. [[spoiler: Norrington is unambiguosly dead but given pretty much any other main character BUT him have pulled DeathIsCheap, is not hard to believe he could be revived at some point]]
* HilariousInHindsight: Creator/ChowYunFat plays a revered Asian veteran with a long goatee who sexually harasses the female protagonist. Two years later he was cast as [[Film/DragonBallEvolution Muten Roshi]].

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* HesJustHiding: A variation. [[spoiler: Norrington is unambiguosly unambiguously dead but given pretty much any other main character BUT him have pulled DeathIsCheap, is not hard to believe he could be revived at some point]]
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Creator/ChowYunFat plays a revered Asian veteran with a long goatee who sexually harasses the female protagonist. Two years later he was cast as [[Film/DragonBallEvolution Muten Roshi]].Roshi]].
** Beckett's right-hand man Ian Mercer meets his grisly end at the hand of Davy Jones in this film. The next film ''Film/PiratesOfTheCaribbeanOnStrangerTides'' features an actor named Ian Mercer--who not only plays a zombie, but is also a henchman of the film's BigBad Blackbeard.

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* SignatureScene: Will and Elizabeth getting married during the FinalBattle.

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Will and Elizabeth getting married during the FinalBattle.FinalBattle.
** Jack and Barbossa's talk after finding the Kraken's corpse. For some, it's an anticlimactic end for the monster, but for others, it fits the EndOfAnAge theme in this film.



** Jack's plan in this film evolves into wanting to become the captain of the ''Flying Dutchman'', but circumstances force him to make Will become the captain, and Jack goes back to where he was in he first film; on a little boat with the ''Black Pearl'' stole by Barbossa, only now Jack has a map to the Fountain of Youth. Given that the series became a FranchiseZombie after this point, it could have been a much better ending if Jack had gotten what he wants -- captain of the ''Flying Dutchman'', able to sail the seven seas immortal and free forever, while Will and Elizabeth could go home together.[[note]]While there is still the matter of Will getting fatally stabbed, if Jack had been quick in making himself captain, he could have just gotten Will to swear servitude to ''him'', then set him free from his duty a moment later or when he had healed his wound. Or it could be a more BittersweetEnding that Will survives but has to crew the Dutchman for 10 years under Jack before he can see Elizabeth again, but they have the solace of knowing he ''will'' be free to see her someday.[[/note]]

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** Jack's plan in this film evolves into wanting to become the captain of the ''Flying Dutchman'', but circumstances force him to make Will become the captain, and Jack goes back to where he was in he first film; on a little boat with the ''Black Pearl'' stole stolen by Barbossa, only now Jack has a map to the Fountain of Youth. Given that the series became a FranchiseZombie after this point, it could have been a much better ending if Jack had gotten what he wants -- captain of the ''Flying Dutchman'', able to sail the seven seas immortal and free forever, while Will and Elizabeth could go home together.[[note]]While there is still the matter of Will getting fatally stabbed, if Jack had been quick in making himself captain, he could have just gotten Will to swear servitude to ''him'', then set him free from his duty a moment later or when he had healed his wound. Or it could be a more BittersweetEnding that Will survives but has to crew the Dutchman for 10 years under Jack before he can see Elizabeth again, but they have the solace of knowing he ''will'' be free to see her someday.[[/note]]
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** The ActionPrologue involving multiple people being executed, including a little kid, is either a perfect way to introduce the darker tone of the movie, or a needlessly edgy scene that makes the movie start in a sour note. Most {{Fan Edit}}s of the movie tend to remove the scene, but it does have many defenders.

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** The ActionPrologue RRatedOpening involving multiple people being executed, including a little kid, is either a perfect way to introduce the darker tone of the movie, or a needlessly edgy scene that makes the movie start in a sour note. Most {{Fan Edit}}s of the movie tend to remove the scene, but it does have many defenders.

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* FanPreferredCutContent: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3I0FF2i_MA A deleted scene]] reveals what Jack actually did to get branded a pirate: [[DeliberateValuesDissonance he freed a shipful of slaves.]] This scene is almost unanimously taken as canon by the fanbase, thanks to how it throws the depths of [[WhatYouAreInTheDark Jack's moral character]] and the real-world depravity of the EITC into sudden and sharp relief.

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** A sequence where Governor Swann tries to stab Davy Jones' heart after believing Elizabeth is dead. This scene appeared in the novelization, and most of it was completed bar most of the effects on Jones, suggesting it was cut rather late in development. This would have given Governor Swann more of a sendoff compared to how DemotedToExtra he was in the final film.
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[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3I0FF2i_MA A deleted scene]] reveals what Jack actually did to get branded a pirate: [[DeliberateValuesDissonance he freed a shipful of slaves.]] This scene is almost unanimously taken as canon by the fanbase, thanks to how it throws the depths of [[WhatYouAreInTheDark Jack's moral character]] and the real-world depravity of the EITC into sudden and sharp relief.


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** There were plans for a subplot involving Davy Jones and Norrington forming an OddFriendship out of their mutual dislike of working for Beckett but the subplot was discarded before filming given the movie was already too bloated, but more that a few fans wanted to see what the relationship between the two would have being.

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* AssPull: See the [[AssPull/PiratesOfTheCaribbean franchise's page]].



** The first act involving the rescue of Jack Sparrow. Some think is the best and most part fun of the movie for his surrealistic tone and being more of an adventure movie with fantasy elements like the previous two movies in comparison to the other two acts that possess a more obvious GenreShift. Others think is the worst part of the movie seeing it as a PlotTumor that takes too much time away from the main plot to the point it could his own movie and think Jack takes too much time to appear.

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** The first act involving the rescue of Jack Sparrow. Some think is the best and most part fun of the movie for his surrealistic tone and being more of an adventure movie with fantasy elements like the previous two movies in comparison to the other two acts that possess a more obvious GenreShift. Others think is the worst part of the movie seeing it as a PlotTumor that takes too much time away from the main plot to the point it could be his own movie and think Jack takes too much time to appear.



* FanonDiscontinuity: Fans tend to disown the 15 seconds conversation between Beckett and Mercer about Weatherby [[spoiler: being killed for asking too much questions]] as most fans prefer the deleted scenes where [[spoiler: Beckett orders his execution for trying to kill Davy Jones after thinking he killed Elizabeth]].

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* FanonDiscontinuity: Fans tend to disown the 15 seconds conversation between Beckett and Mercer about Weatherby [[spoiler: being killed for asking too much questions]] as most fans prefer the deleted scenes where [[spoiler: Beckett orders his execution for trying to kill Davy Jones stab the heart after thinking he Davy Jones killed Elizabeth]].
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* FanonDiscontinuity: Fans tend to disown the 15 seconds conversation between Beckett and Mercer about Weatherby [[spoiler: being killed for asking too much questions]] as most fans prefer the deleted scenes where [[spoiler: Beckett orders his execution for trying to kill Davy Jones after thinking he killed Elizabeth]].
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** The ActionPrologue involving multiple people being executed including a little kid is either a perfect way to introduce the darker tone of the movie or a needleesly edgy scene that makes the movie start in a sour note. Notably most [[FanEdit Fan Edits]] of the movie tend to remove the scene but it does have many defenders.

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** The ActionPrologue involving multiple people being executed executed, including a little kid kid, is either a perfect way to introduce the darker tone of the movie movie, or a needleesly needlessly edgy scene that makes the movie start in a sour note. Notably most [[FanEdit Fan Edits]] Most {{Fan Edit}}s of the movie tend to remove the scene scene, but it does have many defenders.



** [[spoiler: The Kraken dying off screen.]] Many fans were pissed off by the choice, feeling the [[spoiler:Kraken]] not giving a final fight was a huge wasted opportunity. Other fans defend the choice, arguing that it fits the theme of the East India Trading Company corrupting and ending the Age of Piracy, and think the scene where Jack and Barbossa [[spoiler:reflect on this after finding his corpse]] make it worthwhile. A third group agree with the second group but still think they wasted the opportunity to have him give one final fight.

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** [[spoiler: The Kraken dying off screen.]] Many fans were pissed off by the choice, feeling the [[spoiler:Kraken]] not giving a final fight was a huge wasted opportunity. Other fans defend the choice, arguing that it fits the theme of the East India Trading Company corrupting and ending the Age of Piracy, and think the scene where Jack and Barbossa [[spoiler:reflect on this after finding his its corpse]] make makes it worthwhile. A third group agree with the second group but still think they wasted the opportunity to have him it give one final fight.



** Elizabeth's RousingSpeech is either an epic culmination of his arc or forced and OutOfCharacter.
** [[spoiler:The wedding in the middle of the battle]]. CrazyIsCool incarnated in a scene and one of the best sequences of the whole franchise or a ridiculous scene that comes up as distracting in the middle of the battle?

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** Elizabeth's RousingSpeech is either an epic culmination of his arc her arc, or forced and OutOfCharacter.
** [[spoiler:The wedding in the middle of the battle]]. CrazyIsCool incarnated in a scene and one of the best sequences of the whole franchise franchise, or a ridiculous scene that comes up as distracting in the middle of the battle?
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** The first act involving the rescue of Jack Sparrow. Some think is the best and most part fun of the movie for his surrealistic tone and being more of an adventure movie with fantasty elements like the previous two movies in comparison to the other two acts that posses a more obvious ToneShift. Others think is the worst part of the movie seeing it as a PlotTumor that takes too much time away from the main plot to the point it could his own movie and think Jack takes too much time to appear.

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** The first act involving the rescue of Jack Sparrow. Some think is the best and most part fun of the movie for his surrealistic tone and being more of an adventure movie with fantasty fantasy elements like the previous two movies in comparison to the other two acts that posses possess a more obvious ToneShift.GenreShift. Others think is the worst part of the movie seeing it as a PlotTumor that takes too much time away from the main plot to the point it could his own movie and think Jack takes too much time to appear.
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** The first act involving the rescue of Jack Sparrow. Some think is the best and most part fun of the movie for his surrealistic tone and being being an adventure movie with fantasty elements like the previous two movies in comparison to the other two acts that posses a more obvious ToneShift. Others think is the worst part of the movie seeing it as a PlotTumor that takes too much time away from the main plot to the point it could his own movie and think Jack takes too much time to appear.

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** The first act involving the rescue of Jack Sparrow. Some think is the best and most part fun of the movie for his surrealistic tone and being being more of an adventure movie with fantasty elements like the previous two movies in comparison to the other two acts that posses a more obvious ToneShift. Others think is the worst part of the movie seeing it as a PlotTumor that takes too much time away from the main plot to the point it could his own movie and think Jack takes too much time to appear.

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