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!! Film/OverTheEdge the 1979 movie
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* HarsherInHindsight: A movie about a group of disaffected middle-class teenage {{delinquents}} in the UsefulNotes/{{Denver}} suburbs going on a violent, murderous, gun-toting crime spree... released twenty years before the [[UsefulNotes/{{Columbine}} Columbine High School massacre]].
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: The film [[DesignatedVillain presents police officer Sgt. Doberman as the face of authoritarian evil for trying to do his job]] and treats his shooting of a teenager as a MoralEventHorizon. However, the kid was pointing an empty gun at him while screaming "Die, pig!!" The intended sympathetic characters immediately dismiss Doberman's argument that he had no way of knowing the weapon was unloaded, conveniently ignoring the fact that it's a ''completely reasonable point''. Anyone who's had firearms training -- especially police officers -- knows they absolutely ''cannot'' afford to assume that any gun aimed at them isn't loaded. Anyone pointing a gun at somebody guaranteed to have both the means and ability to shoot back, and ''making an open threat'', is either TooDumbToLive or [[SuicideByCop trying to die]].
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: The film [[DesignatedVillain presents police officer Sgt. Doberman as the face of authoritarian evil for trying to do his job]] and treats his shooting of a teenager as a MoralEventHorizon. However, the kid was pointing an empty gun at him while screaming "Die, pig!!" The intended sympathetic characters immediately dismiss Doberman's argument that he had no way of knowing the weapon was unloaded, conveniently ignoring the fact that it's a ''completely reasonable point''. Anyone who's had firearms training -- especially police officers -- knows they absolutely ''cannot'' afford to assume that any gun aimed at them isn't loaded. Anyone pointing a gun at somebody guaranteed to have both the means and ability to shoot back, and ''making an open threat'', is either TooDumbToLive or [[SuicideByCop trying to die]].die]] -- even a regular civilian would have carte blanche to use deadly force to defend themselves in that situation[[note]]You can use or threaten to use deadly force if you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to yourself or another: having a gun aimed at you by someone screaming "die!" would be a more than sufficient affirmative defense in using deadly force to defend yourself[[/note]], let alone the guy who's job is to prevent people from waving weapons at other people and threatening to kill them.
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Sgt. Doberman. Yes, he's a power-tripping dick who aggravates the situation with how he deals with the kids, but after he shoots Richie in an obvious case of self-defense, the movie stacks the deck against him in such a heavy-handed and ignorant way that it's hard not to take his side.
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basically just repeating the exact same point as the other trope on the page, which fits it better
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* DesignatedVillain: Sgt. Doberman from this 1970s love letter to anarchy. His shooting of a teenager in the film is considered a MoralEventHorizon - and subsequently, his murder by anonymous teenagers is presented as a good thing - ignoring that the stupid kid was ''pointing a gun at him'' and screaming "Die, pig!!"[[note]]In case you're confused, pointing anything that even LOOKS like a gun at a cop is granting him permission to blow your head off. And that isn't some new policy of theirs; it's always been that way.[[/note]] Doberman tries to defend himself by saying that he didn't know the gun wasn't loaded (and, in fact, his life depended on not making such an idiotic assumption), but [[StrawmanHasAPoint the movie plainly doesn't care about that very salient point and drops it rather quickly]].
* StrawmanHasAPoint: The film [[DesignatedVillain presents police officer Sgt. Doberman as the face of authoritarian evil for trying to do his job]] and treats his shooting of a teenager as a MoralEventHorizon because the kid was pointing an empty gun at him while screaming "Die, pig!!" The intended sympathetic characters immediately dismiss Doberman's point that he had no way of knowing the weapon was unloaded, conveniently ignoring the fact that it's a ''damn good point''. Anyone who's had firearms training -- especially police officers -- knows they absolutely ''cannot'' afford to assume that any gun aimed at them isn't loaded. Common sense dictates that anyone pointing an empty gun at somebody guaranteed to have both the means and ability to shoot back is either TooDumbToLive or [[SuicideByCop trying to die]].
* StrawmanHasAPoint: The film [[DesignatedVillain presents police officer Sgt. Doberman as the face of authoritarian evil for trying to do his job]] and treats his shooting of a teenager as a MoralEventHorizon because the kid was pointing an empty gun at him while screaming "Die, pig!!" The intended sympathetic characters immediately dismiss Doberman's point that he had no way of knowing the weapon was unloaded, conveniently ignoring the fact that it's a ''damn good point''. Anyone who's had firearms training -- especially police officers -- knows they absolutely ''cannot'' afford to assume that any gun aimed at them isn't loaded. Common sense dictates that anyone pointing an empty gun at somebody guaranteed to have both the means and ability to shoot back is either TooDumbToLive or [[SuicideByCop trying to die]].
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* DesignatedVillain: Sgt. Doberman from this 1970s love letter to anarchy. His shooting of a teenager in the film is considered a MoralEventHorizon - and subsequently, his murder by anonymous teenagers is presented as a good thing - ignoring that the stupid kid was ''pointing a gun at him'' and screaming "Die, pig!!"[[note]]In case you're confused, pointing anything that even LOOKS like a gun at a cop is granting him permission to blow your head off. And that isn't some new policy of theirs; it's always been that way.[[/note]] Doberman tries to defend himself by saying that he didn't know the gun wasn't loaded (and, in fact, his life depended on not making such an idiotic assumption), but [[StrawmanHasAPoint the movie plainly doesn't care about that very salient point and drops it rather quickly]]. 70s audiences no doubt were horrified, but modern audiences might instead feel relieved that the Sergeant took this moron out [[TooDumbToLive before he could get the chance to breed]].
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* DesignatedVillain: Sgt. Doberman from this 1970s love letter to anarchy. His shooting of a teenager in the film is considered a MoralEventHorizon - and subsequently, his murder by anonymous teenagers is presented as a good thing - ignoring that the stupid kid was ''pointing a gun at him'' and screaming "Die, pig!!"[[note]]In case you're confused, pointing anything that even LOOKS like a gun at a cop is granting him permission to blow your head off. And that isn't some new policy of theirs; it's always been that way.[[/note]] Doberman tries to defend himself by saying that he didn't know the gun wasn't loaded (and, in fact, his life depended on not making such an idiotic assumption), but [[StrawmanHasAPoint the movie plainly doesn't care about that very salient point and drops it rather quickly]]. 70s audiences no doubt were horrified, but modern audiences might instead feel relieved that the Sergeant took this moron out [[TooDumbToLive before he could get the chance to breed]].
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* DesignatedVillain: Sgt. Doberman from this 1970s love letter to anarchy His shooting of a teenager in the film is considered a MoralEventHorizon - and subsequently, his murder by anonymous teenagers is presented as a good thing - ignoring that the stupid kid was ''pointing a gun at him'' and screaming "Die, pig!!"[[note]]In case you're confused, pointing anything that even LOOKS like a gun at a cop is granting him permission to blow your head off. And that isn't some new policy of theirs; it's always been that way.[[/note]] Doberman tries to defend himself by saying that he didn't know the gun wasn't loaded (and, in fact, his life depended on not making such an idiotic assumption), but [[StrawmanHasAPoint the movie plainly doesn't care about that very salient point and drops it rather quickly]]. 70s audiences no doubt were horrified, but modern audiences might instead feel relieved that the Sergeant took this moron out [[TooDumbToLive before he could get the chance to breed]].
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* DesignatedVillain: Sgt. Doberman from this 1970s love letter to anarchy anarchy. His shooting of a teenager in the film is considered a MoralEventHorizon - and subsequently, his murder by anonymous teenagers is presented as a good thing - ignoring that the stupid kid was ''pointing a gun at him'' and screaming "Die, pig!!"[[note]]In case you're confused, pointing anything that even LOOKS like a gun at a cop is granting him permission to blow your head off. And that isn't some new policy of theirs; it's always been that way.[[/note]] Doberman tries to defend himself by saying that he didn't know the gun wasn't loaded (and, in fact, his life depended on not making such an idiotic assumption), but [[StrawmanHasAPoint the movie plainly doesn't care about that very salient point and drops it rather quickly]]. 70s audiences no doubt were horrified, but modern audiences might instead feel relieved that the Sergeant took this moron out [[TooDumbToLive before he could get the chance to breed]].
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* DesignatedVillain: Sgt. Doberman from this 1970s love letter to anarchy His shooting of a teenager in the film is considered a MoralEventHorizon - and subsequently, his murder by anonymous teenagers is presented as a good thing - ignoring that the stupid kid was ''pointing a gun at him'' and screaming "Die, pig!!"[[note]]In case you're confused, pointing anything that even LOOKS like a gun at a cop is granting him permission to blow your head off. And that isn't some new policy of theirs; it's always been that way.[[/note]] Doberman tries to defend himself by saying that he didn't know the gun wasn't loaded (and, in fact, his life depended on not making such an idiotic assumption), but [[StrawmanHasAPoint the movie plainly doesn't care about that very salient point and drops it rather quickly]]. 70s audiences no doubt were horrified, but modern audiences might instead feel relieved that the Sergeant took this moron out [[TooDumbToLive before he could get the chance to breed]].
* StrawmanHasAPoint: The film [[DesignatedVillain presents police officer Sgt. Doberman as the face of authoritarian evil for trying to do his job]] and treats his shooting of a teenager as a MoralEventHorizon because the kid was pointing an empty gun at him while screaming "Die, pig!!" The intended sympathetic characters immediately dismiss Doberman's point that he had no way of knowing the weapon was unloaded, conveniently ignoring the fact that it's a ''damn good point''. Anyone who's had firearms training -- especially police officers -- knows they absolutely ''cannot'' afford to assume that any gun aimed at them isn't loaded. Common sense dictates that anyone pointing an empty gun at somebody guaranteed to have both the means and ability to shoot back is either TooDumbToLive or [[SuicideByCop trying to die]].
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: The film [[DesignatedVillain presents police officer Sgt. Doberman as the face of authoritarian evil for trying to do his job]] and treats his shooting of a teenager as a MoralEventHorizon because the kid was pointing an empty gun at him while screaming "Die, pig!!" The intended sympathetic characters immediately dismiss Doberman's point that he had no way of knowing the weapon was unloaded, conveniently ignoring the fact that it's a ''damn good point''. Anyone who's had firearms training -- especially police officers -- knows they absolutely ''cannot'' afford to assume that any gun aimed at them isn't loaded. Common sense dictates that anyone pointing an empty gun at somebody guaranteed to have both the means and ability to shoot back is either TooDumbToLive or [[SuicideByCop trying to die]].
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