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** One of the rarer cases but Athrun suffers from this by some for how he provides conflicting advice to Shinn [[MortonsFork where he has hit Shinn for disobeying orders and again for ''following'' orders]]. Athrun getting called out in ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsZ'' for his indecisiveness by Yzak and his mentoring by [[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Quattro]] does not help.
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** One of the rarer cases but Athrun suffers from this by some for how he provides conflicting advice to Shinn [[MortonsFork where he has hit Shinn for disobeying orders and again for ''following'' orders]]. Athrun getting called out in ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsZ'' for his indecisiveness by Yzak and his mentoring by [[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Quattro]] does not help. If the ZAFT route was chosen for the ''Destiny'' final battle, [[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Kamille, Amuro]] and even Kira point out that Athrun gives up too easily without trying all options when it came to solving problems.
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* TheScrappy: The BrokenBase may fight over just about every aspect of ''Destiny'', but just about nobody on either side likes the DOM Trooper pilots Hilda Harken, Mars Simeon and Herbert Von Reinhard. Poor characterization plus overuse of Zeon {{Exp|y}}ies equals [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam Black Tri-Stars]] {{virtuous|CharacterCopy}} clones who spout lines like "You'd have to be pretty messed up to disagree with Lacus-sama!" Shinn fans hate them for being one-dimensional zealots, while Kira fans hate them for [[NotHelpingYourCase Not Helping Their Case]]. Even many Kira fans were left wishing that that Shinn or Luna would subject the DOM pilots to [[KilledOffForReal the Black Tri-Stars treatment]], especially since that would've made the finale seem like less of an unrealistic CurbStompBattle and more like something Kira's side had to actually work for.
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* TheScrappy: The BrokenBase may fight over just about every aspect of ''Destiny'', but just about nobody on either side likes the DOM Trooper pilots Hilda Harken, Mars Simeon and Herbert Von Reinhard. Poor characterization plus overuse of Zeon {{Exp|y}}ies equals [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam Black Tri-Stars]] {{virtuous|CharacterCopy}} clones who spout lines like "You'd have to be pretty messed up to disagree with Lacus-sama!" Shinn fans hate them for being one-dimensional zealots, while Kira fans hate them for [[NotHelpingYourCase Not Helping Their Case]]. Even many Kira fans were left wishing that that Shinn or Luna would subject the DOM pilots to [[KilledOffForReal the Black Tri-Stars treatment]], especially since that would've made the finale seem like less of an unrealistic CurbStompBattle and more like something Kira's side had to actually work for. Ever since the release of ''Freedom'' in 2024 where Hilda gets more characterization, this trope has slowly become averted.
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* FashionVictimVillain: Lord Djibril. The man is running around in ''pajamas'', for crying out loud. Ditto Yuna and his [[IconicOutfit sleepwear]].
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* FashionVictimVillain: Lord Djibril. The man is running around in ''pajamas'', for crying out loud. Ditto Yuna and his [[IconicOutfit sleepwear]]. Not as commonly criticized but Kira's civilian wear continues to have an impractical number of belts.
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** Shinn's MemeticLoser and DecoyProtagonist status in favor of Kira and Athrun considered the true protagonist of ''Destiny'' almost feels reversed when ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSeedFreedom Freedom]]'' came out. Kira is definitively the protagonist there but Shinn and Athrun (who got slightly DemotedToExtra but still very relevant) got much more memorable scenes, making them be the reason fans remember the film quite well rather than Kira.
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* ReplacementScrappy:
** Shinn, who seems to have been an attempt at creating a [[DarkerAndEdgier darker, more conflicted]] Kira (or for those who see the Cosmic Era as a successor/retread of the original UC era, [[DarkerAndEdgier a darker, more unstable]] [[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Kamille Bidan]]). It didn't work. It should be noted that Shinn was the third most popular male character in the CE franchise (behind Kira and Athrun), based on the then-current [=NewType=] and Gundam Ace character polls.
** Lord Djibril is often seen as a much weaker villain compared to Murata Azrael. Unlike Azrael who was a highly effective antagonist for the last stage of ''SEED'' nicely countering Patrick Zala, Djibril is a one note glaringly incompetent moron who who only really serves to make Durandal and ZAFT look good. It ''really'' doesn't help that he keeps managing to escape his comeuppance for most of the series until the viewer is thoroughly sick of his stint as the villain.
** Shinn, who seems to have been an attempt at creating a [[DarkerAndEdgier darker, more conflicted]] Kira (or for those who see the Cosmic Era as a successor/retread of the original UC era, [[DarkerAndEdgier a darker, more unstable]] [[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Kamille Bidan]]). It didn't work. It should be noted that Shinn was the third most popular male character in the CE franchise (behind Kira and Athrun), based on the then-current [=NewType=] and Gundam Ace character polls.
** Lord Djibril is often seen as a much weaker villain compared to Murata Azrael. Unlike Azrael who was a highly effective antagonist for the last stage of ''SEED'' nicely countering Patrick Zala, Djibril is a one note glaringly incompetent moron who who only really serves to make Durandal and ZAFT look good. It ''really'' doesn't help that he keeps managing to escape his comeuppance for most of the series until the viewer is thoroughly sick of his stint as the villain.
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** Shinn, who seems to have been an attempt at creating a [[DarkerAndEdgier darker, more conflicted]] Kira (or for those who see the Cosmic Era as a successor/retread of the original UC era, [[DarkerAndEdgier a darker, more unstable]] [[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Kamille Bidan]]). It didn't work. It should be noted that Shinn was the third most popular male character in the CE franchise (behind Kira and Athrun), based on the then-current [=NewType=] and Gundam Ace character polls.
**ReplacementScrappy: Lord Djibril is often seen as a much weaker villain compared to Murata Azrael. Unlike Azrael who was a highly effective antagonist for the last stage of ''SEED'' nicely countering Patrick Zala, Djibril is a one note glaringly incompetent moron who who only really serves to make Durandal and ZAFT look good. It ''really'' doesn't help that he keeps managing to escape his comeuppance for most of the series until the viewer is thoroughly sick of his stint as the villain.
** Shinn, who seems to have been an attempt at creating a [[DarkerAndEdgier darker, more conflicted]] Kira (or for those who see the Cosmic Era as a successor/retread of the original UC era, [[DarkerAndEdgier a darker, more unstable]] [[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Kamille Bidan]]). It didn't work. It should be noted that Shinn was the third most popular male character in the CE franchise (behind Kira and Athrun), based on the then-current [=NewType=] and Gundam Ace character polls.
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** Gundam rather than character but fans felt that the Savior Gundam had a lot of wasted potential, being known as the MemeticLoser for being sliced up by Kira. The Savior felt like an upgraded version of the Aegis Gundam which Athrun brought the potential out of and could have had a lot of interesting battle scenes. Instead, it was relegated to TheWorfEffect to show how competent Sting was against Athrun and did very little in the show. What made this worse was that Athrun performed ''better'' in a ZAKU Warrior against Sting compared to the advanced Savior Gundam.
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** The Savior Gundam's is best known for being "Savior'd" by Kira where it gets sliced apart.
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** Gundam rather than character but fans felt that the Savior Gundam had a lot of wasted potential, being known as the MemeticLoser for being sliced up by Kira. The Savior felt like an upgraded version of the Aegis Gundam which Athrun brought the potential out of and could have had a lot of interesting battle scenes. Instead, it was relegated to TheWorfEffect to show how competent Sting was against Athrun and did very little in the show. What made this worse was that Athrun performed ''better'' in a ZAKU Warrior against Sting compared to the advanced Savior Gundam.
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** Promotional art featured the Strike Freedom fighting the Destiny Gundam. Neither the Strike Freedom and Destiny get an actual fully-fledged battle that does not involve another party interfering.
** [[https://youtu.be/oRS0rk1yXlw?t=47 The original Wings of Words opening imply that Shinn and Rey would have a duel]]. This does happen in the ''Super Robot Wars'' games, particularly ''Z'' and ''L'' but does not happen in the anime.
** [[https://youtu.be/oRS0rk1yXlw?t=47 The original Wings of Words opening imply that Shinn and Rey would have a duel]]. This does happen in the ''Super Robot Wars'' games, particularly ''Z'' and ''L'' but does not happen in the anime.
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** Relatedly, Kira's detractors frequently overplay how much the narrative puts him in the right and never doubting himself, which helped contribute to his [[FanNickname Jesus Yamato reputation]]. However, more often than not the show portrays Kira as making situations worse because he is often acting without all of the facts or with trying to help Cagalli fix her mistakes. And all of his actions cause problems because of his hero complex and Athrun even calls him out on it, which may be hypocritical but is still something Kira acknowledges as probably being very true. Kira never once acts like he knows better than anyone and is often show doubting himself even late into the series because he doesn't know if what he's doing is the right thing.
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** Relatedly, Kira's detractors frequently overplay how much the narrative puts him in the right and never doubting himself, which helped contribute to his [[FanNickname Jesus Yamato reputation]]. However, more often than not the show portrays Kira as making situations worse because he is often acting without all of the facts or with trying to help Cagalli fix her mistakes. And all of his actions cause problems because of his hero complex and Athrun even calls him out on it, which may be hypocritical but is still something Kira acknowledges as probably being very true. Kira never once acts like he knows better than anyone and is often show doubting himself even late into the series because he doesn't know if what he's doing is the right thing. What IS clear is that he's acting completely in line with what he's experienced from the last show and the two years of lingering trauma following his final revelations and battle with Rau. If there IS only thing he doesn't doubt himself about, it's his inability to trust either side. And why would he, considering the circumstances for him and the ''Archangel'' crew to stop hiding? The narrative doesn't frame his mistrust as unjustified, but still recognizes that it does cause problems regardless.
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** Shinn/Stella shippers occasionally pair Rey and Lunamaria together. The point in the anime where Shinn and Stella have their moments together has yet to have any decent moments between Shinn and Lunamaria who mostly argue with each other. On the other hand, Rey and Lunamaria have had a few decent scenes together such as Rey immediately defending Lunamaria from the explosion when the Second Stage Gundams were stolen and Rey offering his hotel room to Lunamaria and voluntarily sleeps in the ''Minerva'' instead rather than being a PairTheSpares situation.
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** Shinn's MemeticLoser and DecoyProtagonist status in favor of Kira and Athrun considered the true protagonist of ''Destiny'' almost feels reversed when ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSeedFreedom Freedom]]'' came out. Kira is definitively the protagonist there but Shinn and Athrun (who got slightly DemotedToExtra but still very relevant) got much more memorable scenes, making them be the reason fans remember the film quite well rather than Kira.
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** The Destiny Gundam's ''Palma Fiocina'' is not actually an attack like [[Anime/MobileFighterGGundam Shining Finger]] but rather a beam cannon that can be shot from its hands as seen in [[https://youtu.be/Li7PKQAMFiw?t=19 Gundam Seed Destiny: Generation of C.E.]] and the [[https://gunpla.fandom.com/wiki/1/144_ZGMF-X42S_Destiny_Gundam?file=1-144-Destiny-Gundam-boxart.jpg NG 1/144 Destiny Gundam model kit's cover]]. Very few (if any) media portray the ''Palma Fiocina'' used as a ranged attack as not even the ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' games have done this. Several sources claim that the "Palma Fiocina" are a short-range weapon and not really practical for a long-range attack, though there's also zero scenarios where Shinn actually attempts this. In side content such as video games, there are frequent scenarios of Shinn fighting against or alongside Domon, only furthering the comparisons with ''Anime/GundamBuildFightersTry'' and ''Gundam Build Divers Battlogue'' having fights of the Destiny Gundam clashing with the Build Burning Gundam and Burning Gundam, the latter outright having a clash between the "Palma Fiocina" and "Burning Finger."
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** The Destiny Gundam's ''Palma Fiocina'' is not actually an attack like [[Anime/MobileFighterGGundam Shining Finger]] but rather a beam cannon that can be shot from its hands as seen in [[https://youtu.be/Li7PKQAMFiw?t=19 Gundam Seed Destiny: Generation of C.E.]] and the [[https://gunpla.fandom.com/wiki/1/144_ZGMF-X42S_Destiny_Gundam?file=1-144-Destiny-Gundam-boxart.jpg NG 1/144 Destiny Gundam model kit's cover]]. Very few (if any) media portray the ''Palma Fiocina'' used as a ranged attack as not even the ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' games have done this. Several sources claim that the "Palma Fiocina" ''Palma Fiocina'' are a short-range weapon and not really practical for a long-range attack, though there's also zero scenarios where Shinn actually attempts this. In side content such as video games, there are frequent scenarios of Shinn fighting against or alongside Domon, only furthering the comparisons with ''Anime/GundamBuildFightersTry'' and ''Gundam Build Divers Battlogue'' having fights of the Destiny Gundam clashing with the Build Burning Gundam and Burning Gundam, the latter outright having a clash between the "Palma Fiocina" ''Palma Fiocina'' and "Burning Finger."
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** The Destiny Gundam's ''Palma Fiocina'' is not actually an attack like [[Anime/MobileFighterGGundam Shining Finger]] but rather a beam cannon that can be shot from its hands as seen in [[https://youtu.be/Li7PKQAMFiw?t=19 Gundam Seed Destiny: Generation of C.E.]] and the [[https://gunpla.fandom.com/wiki/1/144_ZGMF-X42S_Destiny_Gundam?file=1-144-Destiny-Gundam-boxart.jpg NG 1/144 Destiny Gundam model kit's cover]]. Very few (if any) media portray the ''Palma Fiocina'' used as a ranged attack as not even the ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' games have done this.
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** The Destiny Gundam's ''Palma Fiocina'' is not actually an attack like [[Anime/MobileFighterGGundam Shining Finger]] but rather a beam cannon that can be shot from its hands as seen in [[https://youtu.be/Li7PKQAMFiw?t=19 Gundam Seed Destiny: Generation of C.E.]] and the [[https://gunpla.fandom.com/wiki/1/144_ZGMF-X42S_Destiny_Gundam?file=1-144-Destiny-Gundam-boxart.jpg NG 1/144 Destiny Gundam model kit's cover]]. Very few (if any) media portray the ''Palma Fiocina'' used as a ranged attack as not even the ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' games have done this. Several sources claim that the "Palma Fiocina" are a short-range weapon and not really practical for a long-range attack, though there's also zero scenarios where Shinn actually attempts this. In side content such as video games, there are frequent scenarios of Shinn fighting against or alongside Domon, only furthering the comparisons with ''Anime/GundamBuildFightersTry'' and ''Gundam Build Divers Battlogue'' having fights of the Destiny Gundam clashing with the Build Burning Gundam and Burning Gundam, the latter outright having a clash between the "Palma Fiocina" and "Burning Finger."
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** A few fans believed that the Impulse VS Freedom battle was too stacked in Shinn's favor, particularly with the Impulse having exchangeable parts. While this is partially true, this made the battle slightly more even as the Freedom has unlimited energy from the Nuclear Reactor, making the battle of infinite physical parts vs infinite energy.
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** One of the rarer cases but Athrun suffers from this by some for how he provides conflicting advice to Shinn [[MortonsFork where he has hit Shinn for disobeying orders and again for ''following'' orders]]. Athrun getting called out in ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsZ'' for his indecisiveness by Yzak and his mentoring by [[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Quattro]] does not help.
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** Shinn's negative character traits like his arrogance, rude attitude and especially believing Cagalli is all-talk and behaving poorly to her may have stemmed from Agnes's treatment of him in the "Moonlight Valkyrie" novel. In the prequel novel, Agnes dismisses Shinn's tragic past as a sob story which mirrors how Shinn dismisses Cagalli's (very much real) issues and mistakes as she is trying to lead Orb.
** [[spoiler:Rey's (and possibly Yolan's) death hits a lot harder after reading the "Moonlight Valkyrie" novel. [[NotHelpingYourCase Even though it came off as backhanded]] from Rey, he and Yolan stood up to Agnes when she began bullying Shinn back in the academy. Rey was more than happy to tutor Shinn and might have been the only one to genuinely believe that Shinn, who at the time was a very poor student, had potential to become a great pilot.]]
** Shinn's negative character traits like his arrogance, rude attitude and especially believing Cagalli is all-talk and behaving poorly to her may have stemmed from Agnes's treatment of him in the "Moonlight Valkyrie" novel. In the prequel novel, Agnes dismisses Shinn's tragic past as a sob story which mirrors how Shinn dismisses Cagalli's (very much real) issues and mistakes as she is trying to lead Orb.
** [[spoiler:Rey's (and possibly Yolan's) death hits a lot harder after reading the "Moonlight Valkyrie" novel. [[NotHelpingYourCase Even though it came off as backhanded]] from Rey, he and Yolan stood up to Agnes when she began bullying Shinn back in the academy. Rey was more than happy to tutor Shinn and might have been the only one to genuinely believe that Shinn, who at the time was a very poor student, had potential to become a great pilot.]]
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** The Destiny Gundam's ''Palma Fiocina'' is not actually an attack like [[Anime/MobileFighterGGundam Shining Finger]] but rather a beam cannon that can be shot from its hands as seen in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li7PKQAMFiw Gundam Seed Destiny: Generation of C.E.]] and the [[https://gunpla.fandom.com/wiki/1/144_ZGMF-X42S_Destiny_Gundam?file=1-144-Destiny-Gundam-boxart.jpg NG 1/144 Destiny Gundam model kit's cover]]. Very few (if any) media portray the ''Palma Fiocina'' used as a ranged attack as not even the ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' games have done this.
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** The Destiny Gundam's ''Palma Fiocina'' is not actually an attack like [[Anime/MobileFighterGGundam Shining Finger]] but rather a beam cannon that can be shot from its hands as seen in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li7PKQAMFiw [[https://youtu.be/Li7PKQAMFiw?t=19 Gundam Seed Destiny: Generation of C.E.]] and the [[https://gunpla.fandom.com/wiki/1/144_ZGMF-X42S_Destiny_Gundam?file=1-144-Destiny-Gundam-boxart.jpg NG 1/144 Destiny Gundam model kit's cover]]. Very few (if any) media portray the ''Palma Fiocina'' used as a ranged attack as not even the ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' games have done this.
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*** Shinn and Stella. Is she his ReplacementGoldfish for Mayu or do they have romantic feelings for each other? Or both? No one can agree.
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*** Shinn and Stella. Is she his ReplacementGoldfish for Mayu or do they have romantic feelings for each other? Or both? No one can agree. The ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' franchise goes with the former and gives them a sibling-like relationship.
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** While you can still find haters of this show, nowadays there is a non-insignificant portion of the fandom that argues that the hatred it receives is overblown, and while it does have some glaring flaws, it's not as bad as its haters say. It helps that recent entries such as ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamAGE AGE]]'' and ''[[Anime/GundamReconguistaInG Reconguista in G]]'' have also been severely criticized, with many arguing that the title of "Worst Gundam Show" that ''Destiny'' carried for so long should instead be given to either of those.
** Shinn Asuka as a protaganist has also been subject to this. Back when the presence of the show was very common online, he was heavily hated to the point he was widely considered the worst Gundam protaganist (which does continue even to this day by older fans) to the point several detractors even ''refuse'' to acknowledge him as one. Nowadays, while his detractors can still be very vocal, several watchers have observed that a lot of the problems with Shinn (namely his FaceHeelTurn in the last third) were due to numerous factors out of his control (namely with how many people were manipulating him). Older arguements of Shinn "snapping out of it" and joining the heroes' side wouldn't make sense with how the narrative is presented. Many viewers also argue that Shinn becoming a villain makes him more interesting as an character instead of the general expectations. In fact, it's reached the point that many of the modern fans say that the ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsZ'' version (who's a favorite of many fans and even Creator/KenichiSuzumura) actually misses the point of Shinn as a character (a sentiment shared by Fukuda).
** Shinn Asuka as a protaganist has also been subject to this. Back when the presence of the show was very common online, he was heavily hated to the point he was widely considered the worst Gundam protaganist (which does continue even to this day by older fans) to the point several detractors even ''refuse'' to acknowledge him as one. Nowadays, while his detractors can still be very vocal, several watchers have observed that a lot of the problems with Shinn (namely his FaceHeelTurn in the last third) were due to numerous factors out of his control (namely with how many people were manipulating him). Older arguements of Shinn "snapping out of it" and joining the heroes' side wouldn't make sense with how the narrative is presented. Many viewers also argue that Shinn becoming a villain makes him more interesting as an character instead of the general expectations. In fact, it's reached the point that many of the modern fans say that the ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsZ'' version (who's a favorite of many fans and even Creator/KenichiSuzumura) actually misses the point of Shinn as a character (a sentiment shared by Fukuda).
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** While you can still find haters of this show, nowadays there is a non-insignificant portion of the fandom that argues that the hatred it receives is overblown, and while it does have some glaring flaws, it's not as bad as its haters say. It helps that recent entries such as ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamAGE AGE]]'' and ''[[Anime/GundamReconguistaInG Reconguista in G]]'' G]]'' have also been severely criticized, with many arguing that the title of "Worst Gundam Show" that ''Destiny'' carried for so long should instead be given to either one of those.
them. While it's not considered VindicatedByHistory, ever since the release of ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamTheWitchFromMercury The Witch of Mercury]]'' [[note]]Another series heavily focusing on character drama, with ''SEED'' and ''SEED Destiny'' often being considered good options to watch for newcomers after ''G-Witch''[[/note]], it's fairly common to see praise and enjoyment for ''SEED Destiny'', especially with the excitement for the then upcoming ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDFreedom''.
** Shinn Asuka as aprotaganist protagonist has also been subject to this. Back when the presence of the show was very common online, he was heavily hated to the point he was widely considered the worst Gundam protaganist protagonist (which does continue even to this day by older fans) to the point several detractors even ''refuse'' to acknowledge him as one. Nowadays, while his detractors can still be very vocal, several watchers have observed that a lot of the problems with Shinn (namely his FaceHeelTurn in the last third) were due to numerous factors out of his control (namely with how many people were manipulating him). Older arguements arguments of Shinn "snapping out of it" and joining the heroes' side wouldn't make sense with how the narrative is presented. Many viewers also argue that Shinn becoming a villain makes him more interesting as an character instead of the general expectations. In fact, it's reached the point that many of the modern fans say that the ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsZ'' version (who's a favorite of many fans and even Creator/KenichiSuzumura) actually misses the point of Shinn as a character (a sentiment shared by Fukuda).
** Shinn Asuka as a
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** Shinn Asuka was supposed to be a TragicHero who's anger-issues from his tragic past and manipulations by the villains caused him to BecameTheirOwnAntithesis and villain. The one thing that was supposed to show he was still sympathetic was his romance with Lunamaria. But since it happed after he seemingly killed Lunamaria's sister and LoveInterest, which Shinn regretted and apologized to her for [[IDidWhatIHadToDo but still thought necessary]], and was [[ProtagonistJourneyToVillain the turning point for his character]], it came off as an example of how screwed-up they were as opposed to redeeming. Shinn nearly killing Lunamaria when blinded by anger in the finale was supposed to be [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone when he realized his wrongdoing]], which didn't work out due the above and the rushed ending leaving no time for him to do or express anything meaningful over it. This was [[AuthorsSavingThrow somewhat fixed in the Special Editions]] where the extended ending shows [[TheAtoner he's attempting to make up for his actions]], but it's only in ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsZ'', which revised his character and story, [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap that he's considered redeemed]].
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** Shinn Asuka was supposed to be a TragicHero who's anger-issues from his tragic past and manipulations by the villains caused him to BecameTheirOwnAntithesis and villain. The one thing that was supposed to show he was still sympathetic was his romance with Lunamaria. But since it happed after he seemingly killed Lunamaria's sister and LoveInterest, which Shinn regretted and apologized to her for [[IDidWhatIHadToDo but still thought necessary]], and was [[ProtagonistJourneyToVillain the turning point for his character]], it came off as an example of how screwed-up they were as opposed to redeeming. Shinn nearly killing Lunamaria when blinded by anger in the finale was supposed to be [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone when he realized his wrongdoing]], which didn't work out due the above and the rushed ending leaving no time for him to do or express anything meaningful over it. This was [[AuthorsSavingThrow somewhat fixed in the Special Editions]] where the extended ending shows [[TheAtoner he's attempting to make up for his actions]], but it's only in ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsZ'', which revised his character and story, [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap that he's considered redeemed]]. This was only further enhanced with ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSeedFreedom'' showing how far he's come under the direction of the right people that ''aren't'' using him.
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* TheScrappy: The BrokenBase may fight over just about every aspect of ''Destiny'', but just about nobody on either side likes the DOM Trooper pilots Hilda Harken, Mars Simeon and Herbert Von Reinhard. Poor characterization plus overuse of Zeon {{Exp|y}}ies equals [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam Black Tri-Stars]] clones who spout lines like "You'd have to be pretty messed up to disagree with Lacus-sama!" Shinn fans hate them for being one-dimensional zealots, while Kira fans hate them for [[NotHelpingYourCase Not Helping Their Case]]. Even many Kira fans were left wishing that that Shinn or Luna would subject the DOM pilots to [[KilledOffForReal the Black Tri-Stars treatment]], especially since that would've made the finale seem like less of an unrealistic CurbStompBattle and more like something Kira's side had to actually work for.
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* TheScrappy: The BrokenBase may fight over just about every aspect of ''Destiny'', but just about nobody on either side likes the DOM Trooper pilots Hilda Harken, Mars Simeon and Herbert Von Reinhard. Poor characterization plus overuse of Zeon {{Exp|y}}ies equals [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam Black Tri-Stars]] {{virtuous|CharacterCopy}} clones who spout lines like "You'd have to be pretty messed up to disagree with Lacus-sama!" Shinn fans hate them for being one-dimensional zealots, while Kira fans hate them for [[NotHelpingYourCase Not Helping Their Case]]. Even many Kira fans were left wishing that that Shinn or Luna would subject the DOM pilots to [[KilledOffForReal the Black Tri-Stars treatment]], especially since that would've made the finale seem like less of an unrealistic CurbStompBattle and more like something Kira's side had to actually work for.
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Decided to add a bit more depth to to the SRW part and explaining why. Also, with SEED Destiny currently on You Tube, I noticed a lot of comments praise Suzumura's performance in spite of general public opinion on Shinn himself.
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** Ask in a forum who is the series' main character, and prepare for one of the longest discussions ever. People will keep repeating the names of Shinn, Athrun and Kira and rarely reach an agreement. It doesn't help that Athrun also happens to be the main narrator of the compilation movies and the character with the most screentime. [[note]]While Athrun is considered the true protagonist via WordOfGod, most official sources tend to have Shinn as the main protagonist with the Destiny being billed as the main Gundam. Kira is rarely officially billed as the main hero of ''SEED Destiny'', likely due to him already being the protagonist of ''SEED''. Cross-series ''Gundam'' games usually use him to represent ''SEED'' (often promoting with the Freedom instead of the Strike Freedom), while Shinn is the representative of ''SEED Destiny''. The ''VideoGame/SDGundamGGeneration'' games usually feature Kira and the Freedom Gundam more prominently when representing the Cosmic Era as a whole, and when focusing on the different series, Shinn and the Destiny represent ''SEED Destiny''. The ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' series, famous for its FixFic elements, is fairly even about this. Shinn is portrayed as the main character of the ''SEED Destiny'' cast in ''Z'', ''L'' and ''UX'', while Kira gets the lion's share of the focus in ''Scramble Commander 2'', ''K'' and ''DD''. ''V'' narratively treats them as equals, though there is a slight bit more focus on Shinn since [[Creator/KenichiSuzumura his Japanese voice actor]] returned for the game while [[Creator/SoichiroHoshi Kira's]] didn't. However, ''Scramble Commander 2'' isn't well known due to it being a GenreShift (RealTimeStrategy instead of TurnBasedStrategy), and ''K'' is one of the most widely despised games in the franchise thanks to ''various'' other issues (namely regarding its main protagonist Mist Rex), so its fixes to the ''Destiny'' plot and characters tend to be overshadowed in the fandom's eyes. Coupling that with Shinn's Japanese voice actor saying that the ''Z'' version of Shinn is his favorite, has led to Shinn being considered the de facto ''Destiny'' protag in the eyes of the ''Super Robot Wars'' fandom.[[/note]]
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** Ask in a forum who is the series' main character, and prepare for one of the longest discussions ever. People will keep repeating the names of Shinn, Athrun and Kira and rarely reach an agreement. It doesn't help that Athrun also happens to be the main narrator of the compilation movies and the character with the most screentime. [[note]]While Athrun is considered the true protagonist via WordOfGod, most official sources tend to have Shinn as the main protagonist with the Destiny being billed as the main Gundam. Kira is rarely officially billed as the main hero of ''SEED Destiny'', likely due to him already being the protagonist of ''SEED''. Cross-series ''Gundam'' games usually use him Kira to represent ''SEED'' (often promoting with the Freedom instead of the Strike Freedom), while Shinn is the representative of ''SEED Destiny''.Destiny''. Athrun is never considered the main protaganist in video games. The ''VideoGame/SDGundamGGeneration'' games usually feature Kira and the Freedom Gundam more prominently when representing the Cosmic Era as a whole, and when focusing on the different series, Shinn and the Destiny represent ''SEED Destiny''. The ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' series, famous for its FixFic elements, is fairly even about this. Shinn is portrayed as the main character of the ''SEED Destiny'' cast in ''Z'', ''L'' and ''UX'', while Kira gets the lion's share of the focus in ''Scramble Commander 2'', ''K'' and ''DD''. ''V'' narratively treats them as equals, though there is a slight bit more focus on Shinn since [[Creator/KenichiSuzumura his Japanese voice actor]] returned for the game while [[Creator/SoichiroHoshi Kira's]] didn't. However, ''Scramble Commander 2'' isn't well known due to it being a GenreShift (RealTimeStrategy instead of TurnBasedStrategy), and ''K'' is one of the most widely despised games in the franchise thanks to ''various'' other issues (namely regarding its main protagonist Mist Rex), so its fixes to the ''Destiny'' plot and characters tend to be overshadowed in the fandom's eyes.eyes, and ''DD'' adapts ''SEED'' before covering ''Destiny'', so Kira has a significant amount of focus due to it covering his story, unlike other games that only cover his ''Destiny'' appearance. Shinn's appearances on the other hand, are generally more remembered due to how much they change him as a character. ''Z'' and ''L'' allow the player to avoid many of the tragedies Shinn suffers throughout ''Destiny'' (such as saving Stella), with the emotional support of the rest of the cast preventing his ProtagonistJourneyToVillain from happening, while ''UX'' (and ''V'' for that matter) is post-''Destiny'' and shows Shinn having matured significantly, to the point he acts as a ''mentor'' to some of the newer pilots, with ''UX'' being a very well-loved example where Shinn acts as a BigBrotherMentor to the cast of ''Anime/FafnerInTheAzureDeadAggressor'', especially Kazuki. Coupling that with Shinn's Japanese voice actor saying that the ''Z'' version of Shinn is his favorite, has led to Shinn being considered the de facto ''Destiny'' protag in the eyes of the ''Super Robot Wars'' fandom.[[/note]]
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* SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct: Shinn's status as a BaseBreakingCharacter does ''not'' extend to Creator/KenichiSuzumura's absolutely stellar performance, who absolutely sells all elements of Shinn's character. From his troubled moments of his past, his HotBlooded screams during battle, and ''especially'' the scenes where his sanity takes a severe dive.
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So DD has finally reached the iconic battle against the Destroy and the Impulse vs. Freedom duel. And the Minerva crew is still operating on its own and sometimes joining forces with the good guys while the Archangel has been with the heroes from day one of the SEED Destiny plot. So I guess it is safe now to give the point to Kira, which means they are now tied. Again. Boy, this is getting awkward. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O2w0kPvEQY&t=1229s
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** Ask in a forum who is the series' main character, and prepare for one of the longest discussions ever. People will keep repeating the names of Shinn, Athrun and Kira and rarely reach an agreement. It doesn't help that Athrun also happens to be the main narrator of the compilation movies and the character with the most screentime. [[note]]While Athrun is considered the true protagonist via WordOfGod, most official sources tend to have Shinn as the main protagonist with the Destiny being billed as the main Gundam. Kira is rarely officially billed as the main hero of ''SEED Destiny'', likely due to him already being the protagonist of ''SEED''. Cross-series ''Gundam'' games usually use him to represent ''SEED'' (often promoting with the Freedom instead of the Strike Freedom), while Shinn is the representative of ''SEED Destiny''. The ''VideoGame/SDGundamGGeneration'' games usually feature Kira and the Freedom Gundam more prominently when representing the Cosmic Era as a whole, and when focusing on the different series, Shinn and the Destiny represent ''SEED Destiny''. The ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' series, famous for its FixFic elements, is much more clear on who it sees as the main character. Shinn is portrayed as the main character of the ''SEED Destiny'' cast in ''Z'', ''L'' and ''UX'', while Kira gets the lion's share of the focus in ''Scramble Commander 2'' and ''K''. ''V'' narratively treats them as equals, though there is a slight bit more focus on Shinn since [[Creator/KenichiSuzumura his Japanese voice actor]] returned for the game while [[Creator/SoichiroHoshi Kira's]] didn't. However, ''Scramble Commander 2'' isn't well known due to it being a GenreShift (RealTimeStrategy instead of TurnBasedStrategy), and ''K'' is one of the most widely despised games in the franchise thanks to ''various'' other issues (namely regarding its main protagonist Mist Rex), so its fixes to the ''Destiny'' plot and characters tend to be overshadowed in the fandom's eyes. Coupling that with Shinn's Japanese voice actor saying that the ''Z'' version of Shinn is his favorite, has led to Shinn being considered the de facto ''Destiny'' protag in the eyes of the ''Super Robot Wars'' fandom.[[/note]]
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** Ask in a forum who is the series' main character, and prepare for one of the longest discussions ever. People will keep repeating the names of Shinn, Athrun and Kira and rarely reach an agreement. It doesn't help that Athrun also happens to be the main narrator of the compilation movies and the character with the most screentime. [[note]]While Athrun is considered the true protagonist via WordOfGod, most official sources tend to have Shinn as the main protagonist with the Destiny being billed as the main Gundam. Kira is rarely officially billed as the main hero of ''SEED Destiny'', likely due to him already being the protagonist of ''SEED''. Cross-series ''Gundam'' games usually use him to represent ''SEED'' (often promoting with the Freedom instead of the Strike Freedom), while Shinn is the representative of ''SEED Destiny''. The ''VideoGame/SDGundamGGeneration'' games usually feature Kira and the Freedom Gundam more prominently when representing the Cosmic Era as a whole, and when focusing on the different series, Shinn and the Destiny represent ''SEED Destiny''. The ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' series, famous for its FixFic elements, is much more clear on who it sees as the main character. fairly even about this. Shinn is portrayed as the main character of the ''SEED Destiny'' cast in ''Z'', ''L'' and ''UX'', while Kira gets the lion's share of the focus in ''Scramble Commander 2'' 2'', ''K'' and ''K''.''DD''. ''V'' narratively treats them as equals, though there is a slight bit more focus on Shinn since [[Creator/KenichiSuzumura his Japanese voice actor]] returned for the game while [[Creator/SoichiroHoshi Kira's]] didn't. However, ''Scramble Commander 2'' isn't well known due to it being a GenreShift (RealTimeStrategy instead of TurnBasedStrategy), and ''K'' is one of the most widely despised games in the franchise thanks to ''various'' other issues (namely regarding its main protagonist Mist Rex), so its fixes to the ''Destiny'' plot and characters tend to be overshadowed in the fandom's eyes. Coupling that with Shinn's Japanese voice actor saying that the ''Z'' version of Shinn is his favorite, has led to Shinn being considered the de facto ''Destiny'' protag in the eyes of the ''Super Robot Wars'' fandom.[[/note]]
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* AntiClimaxBoss: [[spoiler:The Strike Freedom and the Infinity Justice barely receive damage in the final battle against the Legend and the Destiny, the machines who are supposed to be the last physical threat of the series. Instead, the big climax is presented when Kira confronts Durandal with a gun.]]
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* AntiClimaxBoss: [[spoiler:The Strike Freedom and the Infinity Infinite Justice Gundams barely receive damage in the final battle against the Legend and the Destiny, Destiny Gundams, the machines who are supposed to be the last physical threat of the series. Instead, the big climax is presented when Kira confronts Durandal with a gun.]]
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* AntiClimaxBoss: [[spoiler:The Strike Freedom and the Infinity Justice barely receive damage in the final battle against the Legend and the Destiny, the machines who are supposed to be the last physical threat of the series. Instead, the big climax is presented when Kira confronts Durandal with a gun.]]
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* AntiClimaxBoss: The Freedom and the Justice barely receive damage in the sequel against the Legend and the Destiny. Instead, the big climax is presented when Kira confronts Durandal with a gun.
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Which means it's not an accidental aesop, but an intentional one. Moving to the main page as Hard Truth Aesop.
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* https://www.zeonic-republic.net/?page_id=11113https://www.zeonic-republic.net/?page_id=11113 WordOfGod]] is that the themes of ''Destiny'' contrast ''Seed'' as the sequel claims that fighting sometimes is necessary initially from ZAFT's point of view which heavily affects Kira in the ending when he decides to fight Durandal and remain lviing as a soldier
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found an actual legit word of god interview. also added one common note everyboy mentions about the climax
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UX wasn't mentioned where Shinn plays the mentor role to the Fafnir cast. This also just heavily skews things more in Shinn's favor for being the MC in SRW insallments.
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** Ask in a forum who is the series' main character, and prepare for one of the longest discussions ever. People will keep repeating the names of Shinn, Athrun and Kira and rarely reach an agreement. It doesn't help that Athrun also happens to be the main narrator of the compilation movies and the character with the most screentime. [[note]]While Athrun is considered the true protagonist via WordOfGod, most official sources tend to have Shinn as the main protagonist with the Destiny being billed as the main Gundam. Kira is rarely officially billed as the main hero of ''SEED Destiny'', likely due to him already being the protagonist of ''SEED''. Cross-series ''Gundam'' games usually use him to represent ''SEED'' (often promoting with the Freedom instead of the Strike Freedom), while Shinn is the representative of ''SEED Destiny''. The ''VideoGame/SDGundamGGeneration'' games usually feature Kira and the Freedom Gundam more prominently when representing the Cosmic Era as a whole, and when focusing on the different series, Shinn and the Destiny represent ''SEED Destiny''. The ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' series, famous for its FixFic elements, is fairly even about this, with Shinn being portrayed as the main character of the ''SEED Destiny'' cast in ''Z'' and ''L'', while Kira gets the lion's share of the focus in ''Scramble Commander 2'' and ''K''. ''V'' narratively treats them as equals, though there is a slight bit more focus on Shinn since [[Creator/KenichiSuzumura his Japanese voice actor]] returned for the game while [[Creator/SoichiroHoshi Kira's]] didn't. However, ''Scramble Commander 2'' isn't well known due to it being a GenreShift (RealTimeStrategy instead of TurnBasedStrategy), and ''K'' is one of the most widely despised games in the franchise thanks to ''various'' other issues (namely regarding its main protagonist Mist Rex), so its fixes to the ''Destiny'' plot and characters tend to be overshadowed in the fandom's eyes. Coupling that with Shinn's Japanese voice actor saying that the ''Z'' version of Shinn is his favorite, has led to Shinn being considered the de facto ''Destiny'' protag in the eyes of the ''Super Robot Wars'' fandom.[[/note]]
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** Ask in a forum who is the series' main character, and prepare for one of the longest discussions ever. People will keep repeating the names of Shinn, Athrun and Kira and rarely reach an agreement. It doesn't help that Athrun also happens to be the main narrator of the compilation movies and the character with the most screentime. [[note]]While Athrun is considered the true protagonist via WordOfGod, most official sources tend to have Shinn as the main protagonist with the Destiny being billed as the main Gundam. Kira is rarely officially billed as the main hero of ''SEED Destiny'', likely due to him already being the protagonist of ''SEED''. Cross-series ''Gundam'' games usually use him to represent ''SEED'' (often promoting with the Freedom instead of the Strike Freedom), while Shinn is the representative of ''SEED Destiny''. The ''VideoGame/SDGundamGGeneration'' games usually feature Kira and the Freedom Gundam more prominently when representing the Cosmic Era as a whole, and when focusing on the different series, Shinn and the Destiny represent ''SEED Destiny''. The ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' series, famous for its FixFic elements, is fairly even about this, with much more clear on who it sees as the main character. Shinn being is portrayed as the main character of the ''SEED Destiny'' cast in ''Z'' ''Z'', ''L'' and ''L'', ''UX'', while Kira gets the lion's share of the focus in ''Scramble Commander 2'' and ''K''. ''V'' narratively treats them as equals, though there is a slight bit more focus on Shinn since [[Creator/KenichiSuzumura his Japanese voice actor]] returned for the game while [[Creator/SoichiroHoshi Kira's]] didn't. However, ''Scramble Commander 2'' isn't well known due to it being a GenreShift (RealTimeStrategy instead of TurnBasedStrategy), and ''K'' is one of the most widely despised games in the franchise thanks to ''various'' other issues (namely regarding its main protagonist Mist Rex), so its fixes to the ''Destiny'' plot and characters tend to be overshadowed in the fandom's eyes. Coupling that with Shinn's Japanese voice actor saying that the ''Z'' version of Shinn is his favorite, has led to Shinn being considered the de facto ''Destiny'' protag in the eyes of the ''Super Robot Wars'' fandom.[[/note]]
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** Some scenes will give the Strike Freedom Gundam a gold chrome effect to its joints. Emphasis on ''some'', as others will give it flat gold coloring, or only give some of its body parts the chrome effect and leave others flat, such as the full-body shot of it protecting the Akatsuki leaving the hands flat but everything else chromed. Speaking of the Akatsuki, let's just say said chrome effect is probably suited to be used in moderation rather than on an entire damn thing.
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** Some scenes will give the Strike Freedom Gundam a gold chrome effect to its joints. Emphasis on ''some'', as others will give it flat gold coloring, or only give some of its body parts the chrome effect and leave others flat, such as the full-body shot of it protecting the Akatsuki leaving the hands flat but everything else chromed. Speaking of the Akatsuki, let's just say said chrome effect is probably suited to be used in moderation rather than on an entire damn thing.
** The StockFootage usage isn't as graceful as it was in the previous series, leading to things like the Impulse Gundam occasionally turning into the Strike Gundam.
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** Ask in a forum who is the series' main character, and prepare for one of the longest discussions ever. People will keep repeating the names of Shinn, Athrun and Kira and rarely reach an agreement. It doesn't help that Athrun also happens to be the main narrator of the compilation movies and the character with the most screentime. [[note]]While Athrun is considered the true protagonist via WordOfGod, most official sources tend to have Shinn as the main protagonist with the Destiny being billed as the main Gundam. Kira is rarely officially billed as the main hero of ''SEED Destiny'', likely due to him already being the protagonist of ''SEED''. Cross-series ''Gundam'' games usually use him to represent ''SEED'' (often promoting with the Freedom instead of the Strike Freedom), while Shinn is the representative of ''SEED Destiny''. The ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' series, famous for its FixFic elements, is fairly even about this, with Shinn being portrayed as the main character of the ''SEED Destiny'' cast in ''Z'' and ''L'', while Kira gets the lion's share of the focus in ''Scramble Commander 2'' and ''K''. ''V'' narratively treats them as equals, though there is a slight bit more focus on Shinn since [[Creator/KenichiSuzumura his Japanese voice actor]] returned for the game while [[Creator/SoichiroHoshi Kira's]] didn't. However, ''Scramble Commander 2'' isn't well known due to it being a GenreShift (RealTimeStrategy instead of TurnBasedStrategy), and ''K'' is one of the most widely despised games in the franchise thanks to ''various'' other issues (namely regarding its main protagonist Mist Rex), so its fixes to the ''Destiny'' plot and characters tend to be overshadowed in the fandom's eyes. Coupling that with Shinn's Japanese voice actor saying that the ''Z'' version of Shinn is his favorite, has led to Shinn being considered the de facto ''Destiny'' protag in the eyes of the ''Super Robot Wars'' fandom.[[/note]]
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** Ask in a forum who is the series' main character, and prepare for one of the longest discussions ever. People will keep repeating the names of Shinn, Athrun and Kira and rarely reach an agreement. It doesn't help that Athrun also happens to be the main narrator of the compilation movies and the character with the most screentime. [[note]]While Athrun is considered the true protagonist via WordOfGod, most official sources tend to have Shinn as the main protagonist with the Destiny being billed as the main Gundam. Kira is rarely officially billed as the main hero of ''SEED Destiny'', likely due to him already being the protagonist of ''SEED''. Cross-series ''Gundam'' games usually use him to represent ''SEED'' (often promoting with the Freedom instead of the Strike Freedom), while Shinn is the representative of ''SEED Destiny''. The ''VideoGame/SDGundamGGeneration'' games usually feature Kira and the Freedom Gundam more prominently when representing the Cosmic Era as a whole, and when focusing on the different series, Shinn and the Destiny represent ''SEED Destiny''. The ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' series, famous for its FixFic elements, is fairly even about this, with Shinn being portrayed as the main character of the ''SEED Destiny'' cast in ''Z'' and ''L'', while Kira gets the lion's share of the focus in ''Scramble Commander 2'' and ''K''. ''V'' narratively treats them as equals, though there is a slight bit more focus on Shinn since [[Creator/KenichiSuzumura his Japanese voice actor]] returned for the game while [[Creator/SoichiroHoshi Kira's]] didn't. However, ''Scramble Commander 2'' isn't well known due to it being a GenreShift (RealTimeStrategy instead of TurnBasedStrategy), and ''K'' is one of the most widely despised games in the franchise thanks to ''various'' other issues (namely regarding its main protagonist Mist Rex), so its fixes to the ''Destiny'' plot and characters tend to be overshadowed in the fandom's eyes. Coupling that with Shinn's Japanese voice actor saying that the ''Z'' version of Shinn is his favorite, has led to Shinn being considered the de facto ''Destiny'' protag in the eyes of the ''Super Robot Wars'' fandom.[[/note]]
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This trope is more fitting in this particular case.
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** Shinn Asuka: Good foil to Kira from the last series or just a wangsty teen pilot? Does his FaceHeelTurn make him completely unlikable and irredeemable, or a much more interesting and pitiable character?
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** Shinn Asuka: Good foil to Kira from the last series or just a wangsty teen pilot? Does his FaceHeelTurn ProtagonistJourneyToVillain make him completely unlikable and irredeemable, or a much more interesting and pitiable character?
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** Shinn Asuka: Good foil to Kira from the last series or just a wangsty teen pilot?pilot? Does his FaceHeelTurn make him completely unlikable and irredeemable, or a much more interesting and pitiable character?
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** Shinn Asuka as a protaganist has also been subject to this. Back when the presence of the show was very common online, he was heavily hated to the point he was widely considered the worst Gundam protaganist (which does continue even to this day by older fans) to the point several detractors even ''refuse'' to acknowledge him as one. Nowadays, while his detractors can still be very vocal, several watchers have observed that a lot of the problems with Shinn (namely his FaceHeelTurn in the last third) were due to numerous factors out of his control (namely with how many people were manipulating him). Older arguements of Shinn "snapping out of it" and joining the heroes' side wouldn't make sense with how the narrative is presented. Many viewers also argue that Shinn becoming a villain makes him more interesting as an character instead of the general expectations. In fact, it's reached the point that the ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsZ'' version (who's a favorite of many fans and even Creator/KenichiSuzumura) actually misses the point of Shinn as a character (a sentiment shared by Fukuda).
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** Shinn Asuka as a protaganist has also been subject to this. Back when the presence of the show was very common online, he was heavily hated to the point he was widely considered the worst Gundam protaganist (which does continue even to this day by older fans) to the point several detractors even ''refuse'' to acknowledge him as one. Nowadays, while his detractors can still be very vocal, several watchers have observed that a lot of the problems with Shinn (namely his FaceHeelTurn in the last third) were due to numerous factors out of his control (namely with how many people were manipulating him). Older arguements of Shinn "snapping out of it" and joining the heroes' side wouldn't make sense with how the narrative is presented. Many viewers also argue that Shinn becoming a villain makes him more interesting as an character instead of the general expectations. In fact, it's reached the point that many of the modern fans say that the ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsZ'' version (who's a favorite of many fans and even Creator/KenichiSuzumura) actually misses the point of Shinn as a character (a sentiment shared by Fukuda).
