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* SignatureSong: "So Alive"Alive".
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** "For The Love of Carmen" is Heraclio's first-person account of growing up in Palomar. (trigger warning) [[spoiler: The much older Luba has sex with him one time as a young teen. He honestly relates the trauma and confusion of this through college, and even into his marriage. The town and his wife consider it to be a kid getting lucky, as there is no particular age of consent. Carmen feels Heraclio lied about being a virgin before their wedding, justifying an affair and then aborting the resulting pregnancy out of panic. Heraclio is devastated, but loves her deeply and they stay together with a new pregnancy at the end of the story. Luba is well known to be promiscuous, but the age difference is never challenged, even though a neighbor and the sheriff notice Luba's daughter Guadalupe looks a lot like him. Once Heraclio realizes this later in the series, he accepts Lupe with open arms.]]
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** "For The Love of Carmen" is Heraclio's first-person account of growing up in Palomar. (trigger warning) [[spoiler: The much older Luba has sex with him one time as a young teen. He honestly relates how the trauma and confusion of dealing with this lasted through college, and even into his marriage. The town and his wife consider considered it to be a kid getting lucky, as since there is was no particular standard age of consent. Carmen feels Heraclio lied about being a virgin before their wedding, justifying an affair and then aborting the resulting pregnancy out of panic. Heraclio is devastated, but loves her deeply and they stay together with a new pregnancy at the end of the story. Luba is well known to be promiscuous, but the age difference is never challenged, even though a neighbor and the sheriff notice Luba's daughter Guadalupe looks a lot like him. Once Heraclio realizes this later in the series, he accepts Lupe with open arms.]]
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** "For The Love of Carmen" is Heraclio's first-person account of growing up in Palomar. (trigger warning) [[spoiler: The much older Luba has sex with him one time as a young teen. He honestly relates the trauma and confusion of this through college, and even into his marriage. The town and his wife consider it to be a kid getting lucky, as there is no particular age of consent. Carmen feels Heraclio lied about being a virgin before their wedding, justifying an affair and then aborting the resulting pregnancy out of panic. Heraclio is devastated, but loves her deeply and they stay together with a new pregnancy at the end of the story. Luba is well known to be promiscuous, but the age difference is never challenged, even though some neighbors and the sheriff notice Luba's daughter Guadalupe looks like him. Once Heraclio realizes this later in the series, he accepts Lupe with open arms.]]
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** "For The Love of Carmen" is Heraclio's first-person account of growing up in Palomar. (trigger warning) [[spoiler: The much older Luba has sex with him one time as a young teen. He honestly relates the trauma and confusion of this through college, and even into his marriage. The town and his wife consider it to be a kid getting lucky, as there is no particular age of consent. Carmen feels Heraclio lied about being a virgin before their wedding, justifying an affair and then aborting the resulting pregnancy out of panic. Heraclio is devastated, but loves her deeply and they stay together with a new pregnancy at the end of the story. Luba is well known to be promiscuous, but the age difference is never challenged, even though some neighbors a neighbor and the sheriff notice Luba's daughter Guadalupe looks a lot like him. Once Heraclio realizes this later in the series, he accepts Lupe with open arms.]]
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** "For The Love of Carmen" is Heraclio's first-person account of growing up in Palomar. (trigger warning) [[spoiler: The much older Luba has sex with him one time as a young teen. He honestly relates the trauma and confusion of this through college, and even into his marriage. The town and his wife consider it to be a kid getting lucky, as there is no particular age of consent. Carmen feels Heraclio lied about being a virgin before their wedding, justifying an affair and then aborting the resulting pregnancy out of panic. Heraclio is devastated, but loves her deeply and they stay together with a new pregnancy at the end of the story. Luba is well known to be promiscuous, but the age difference is never challenged, even after the town learns her daughter Guadalupe is his. Once Heraclio realizes later in the series, he accepts Lupe with open arms.]]
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** "For The Love of Carmen" is Heraclio's first-person account of growing up in Palomar. (trigger warning) [[spoiler: The much older Luba has sex with him one time as a young teen. He honestly relates the trauma and confusion of this through college, and even into his marriage. The town and his wife consider it to be a kid getting lucky, as there is no particular age of consent. Carmen feels Heraclio lied about being a virgin before their wedding, justifying an affair and then aborting the resulting pregnancy out of panic. Heraclio is devastated, but loves her deeply and they stay together with a new pregnancy at the end of the story. Luba is well known to be promiscuous, but the age difference is never challenged, even after though some neighbors and the town learns her sheriff notice Luba's daughter Guadalupe is his. looks like him. Once Heraclio realizes this later in the series, he accepts Lupe with open arms.]]
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* "For The Love of Carmen" is Heraclio's first-person account of growing up in Palomar. (trigger warning) [[spoiler: The much older Luba has sex with him one time as a young teen. He honestly relates the trauma and confusion of this through college, and even into his marriage. The town and his wife consider it to be a kid getting lucky, as there is no particular age of consent. Carmen feels Heraclio lied about being a virgin before their wedding, justifying an affair and then aborting the resulting pregnancy out of panic. Heraclio is devastated, but loves her deeply and they stay together with a new pregnancy at the end of the story. Luba is well known to be promiscuous, but the age difference is never challenged, even after the town learns her daughter Guadalupe is his. Once Heraclio realizes later in the series, he accepts Lupe with open arms.]]
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* "For The Love of Carmen" is Heraclio's first-person account of growing up in Palomar. (trigger warning) [[spoiler: The much older Luba has sex with him once as a young teen. He honestly relates the trauma and confusion of this through college, and even into his marriage. The town and his wife consider it to be a kid getting lucky, as there is no particular age of consent. Carmen feels Heraclio lied about being a virgin before their wedding, justifying an affair and then aborting the resulting pregnancy out of panic. Heraclio is devastated, but loves her deeply and they stay together with a new pregnancy at the end of the story. Luba is well known to be promiscuous, but the age difference is never challenged, even after the town learns her daughter Guadalupe is his. Once Heraclio realizes later in the series, he accepts Lupe with open arms.]]
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* "For The Love of Carmen" is Heraclio's first-person account of growing up in Palomar. (trigger warning) [[spoiler: The much older Luba has sex with him once one time as a young teen. He honestly relates the trauma and confusion of this through college, and even into his marriage. The town and his wife consider it to be a kid getting lucky, as there is no particular age of consent. Carmen feels Heraclio lied about being a virgin before their wedding, justifying an affair and then aborting the resulting pregnancy out of panic. Heraclio is devastated, but loves her deeply and they stay together with a new pregnancy at the end of the story. Luba is well known to be promiscuous, but the age difference is never challenged, even after the town learns her daughter Guadalupe is his. Once Heraclio realizes later in the series, he accepts Lupe with open arms.]]
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* "For The Love of Carmen" is Heraclio's first-person account of growing up in Palomar. (trigger warning) [[spoiler: The much older Luba has sex with him as a young teen. He honestly relates the trauma and confusion of this through college, and even into his marriage. The town and his wife consider it to be a kid getting lucky, as there is no particular age of consent. Carmen feels Heraclio lied about being a virgin before their wedding, justifying an affair and then aborting the resulting pregnancy out of panic. Heraclio is devastated, but loves her deeply and they stay together with a new pregnancy at the end of the story. Luba is well known to be promiscuous, but the age difference is never challenged, even after the town learns her daughter Guadalupe is his. Once Heraclio realizes later in the series, he accepts Lupe with open arms.]]
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* "For The Love of Carmen" is Heraclio's first-person account of growing up in Palomar. (trigger warning) [[spoiler: The much older Luba has sex with him once as a young teen. He honestly relates the trauma and confusion of this through college, and even into his marriage. The town and his wife consider it to be a kid getting lucky, as there is no particular age of consent. Carmen feels Heraclio lied about being a virgin before their wedding, justifying an affair and then aborting the resulting pregnancy out of panic. Heraclio is devastated, but loves her deeply and they stay together with a new pregnancy at the end of the story. Luba is well known to be promiscuous, but the age difference is never challenged, even after the town learns her daughter Guadalupe is his. Once Heraclio realizes later in the series, he accepts Lupe with open arms.]]
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* "For The Love of Carmen" is Heraclio's first-person account of growing up in Palomar. (trigger warning) [[spoiler: The much older Luba has sex with him as a young teen. He honestly relates the trauma and confusion of this through college, and even into his marriage. The town and his wife consider it to be a kid getting lucky.lucky, as there is no particular age of consent. Carmen feels Heraclio lied about being a virgin before their wedding, justifying an affair and then aborting the resulting pregnancy out of panic. Heraclio is devastated, but loves her deeply and they stay together with a new pregnancy at the end of the story. Luba is well known to be promiscuous, but the age difference is never challenged, even after the town learns her daughter Guadalupe is his. Once Heraclio realizes later in the series, he accepts Lupe with open arms.]]
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* "For The Love of Carmen" is Heraclio's first-person account of growing up in Palomar. (trigger warning) [[spoiler: The much older Luba has sex with him as a young teen. He honestly relates the trauma and confusion of this through college, and even into his marriage. The town and his wife consider it to be a kid getting lucky. Carmen feels Heraclio lied about being a virgin before their wedding, justifying an affair and then aborting the resulting pregnancy out of panic. Heraclio is devastated, but loves her deeply and they stay together with a new pregnancy at the end of the story. Luba is well known to be promiscuous, but the age difference is never challenged, even after the town learns her daughter Guadalupe is his. Once Heraclio realizes later in the series, he accepts her with open arms.]]
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* "For The Love of Carmen" is Heraclio's first-person account of growing up in Palomar. (trigger warning) [[spoiler: The much older Luba has sex with him as a young teen. He honestly relates the trauma and confusion of this through college, and even into his marriage. The town and his wife consider it to be a kid getting lucky. Carmen feels Heraclio lied about being a virgin before their wedding, justifying an affair and then aborting the resulting pregnancy out of panic. Heraclio is devastated, but loves her deeply and they stay together with a new pregnancy at the end of the story. Luba is well known to be promiscuous, but the age difference is never challenged, even after the town learns her daughter Guadalupe is his. Once Heraclio realizes later in the series, he accepts her Lupe with open arms.]]
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* "For The Love of Carmen" is Heraclio's first-person account of growing up in Palomar. (trigger warning) [[spoiler: The much older Luba has sex with him as a young teen. He honestly relates the trauma and confusion of this through college, and even into his marriage. The town and his wife consider it to be a kid getting lucky. Carmen feels Heraclio lied about being a virgin before their wedding, justifying an affair and then aborting the resulting pregnancy out of panic. Heraclio is devastated, but loves her deeply and they stay together with a new pregnancy at the end of the story. Luba is well known to be promiscuous, but the age difference is never challenged, even after the town learns her daughter Guadalupe is his. Once Heraclio realizes later in the series, he accepts her warmly.]]
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* "For The Love of Carmen" is Heraclio's first-person account of growing up in Palomar. (trigger warning) [[spoiler: The much older Luba has sex with him as a young teen. He honestly relates the trauma and confusion of this through college, and even into his marriage. The town and his wife consider it to be a kid getting lucky. Carmen feels Heraclio lied about being a virgin before their wedding, justifying an affair and then aborting the resulting pregnancy out of panic. Heraclio is devastated, but loves her deeply and they stay together with a new pregnancy at the end of the story. Luba is well known to be promiscuous, but the age difference is never challenged, even after the town learns her daughter Guadalupe is his. Once Heraclio realizes later in the series, he accepts her warmly.with open arms.]]
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* "For The Love of Carmen" is Heraclio's first-person account of growing up in Palomar. (trigger warning) [[spoiler: The much older Luba has sex with him as a young teen. He honestly relates the trauma and confusion of this through college, and even into his marriage. The town and his wife consider it to be a kid getting lucky. Carmen feels Heraclio lied about being a virgin before their wedding, justifying an affair and then aborting the resulting pregnancy out of panic. Heraclio is devastated, but loves her deeply and they stay together with a new pregnancy at the end of the story. Luba is well known to be promiscuous, but the age difference is never challenged, even after the town learns her daughter Guadalupe is his. Once Heraclio realizes later in the series, he accepts her warmly.]]
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* "For The Love of Carmen" is Heraclio's first-person account of growing up in Palomar. (trigger warning) [[spoiler: The much older Luba has sex with him as a young teen. He honestly relates the trauma and confusion of this through college, and even into his marriage. The town and his wife consider it to be a kid getting lucky. Carmen feels Heraclio lied about being a virgin before their wedding, justifying an affair and then aborting the resulting pregnancy out of panic. Heraclio is devastated, but loves her deeply and they stay together with a new pregnancy at the end of the story. Luba is well known to be promiscuous, but the age difference is not never challenged, even after the town learns her daughter Guadalupe is his.]]
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* "For The Love of Carmen" is Heraclio's first-person account of growing up in Palomar. (trigger warning) [[spoiler: The much older Luba has sex with him as a young teen. He honestly relates the trauma and confusion of this through college, and even into his marriage. The town and his wife consider it to be a kid getting lucky, and she lucky. Carmen feels Heraclio lied about being a virgin before their wedding.wedding, justifying an affair and then aborting the resulting pregnancy out of panic. Luba is known to be promiscuous, but the age difference is not challenged, even after the town learns her daughter Guadalupe is his.]]
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* "For The Love of Carmen" is Heraclio's first-person account of growing up in Palomar. (trigger warning) [[spoiler: The much older Luba has sex with him as a young teen. He honestly relates the trauma and confusion of this through college, and even into his marriage. The town and his wife consider it to be a kid getting lucky, and she feels Heraclio lied about being a virgin before their wedding. Aside from one angry confrontation in a bar, Luba is known to be promiscuous, but the age difference is not challenged on this, challenged, even after the town learns her daughter Guadalupe is his.]]
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* BizarroEpisode: "Birdland", the Palomar story published under Fantagraphics' Eros imprint, is a bizarre pornographic story involving alien abductions, hypnotism, and the Orgone theory. While Fritzi and Petra play important roles in it, its connections to the rest of the series are virtually non-existent, and it's never been mentioned since.
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: They lost a lot of fans for going the electronic route with ''Hot Trip to Heaven''.
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* GermansLoveDavidHsselhoff: The band had more hits in the US than their native UK.
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* JerkassWoobie: Vivian "Frogmouth" Solis is loud, obnoxious, sharp-tongued, quick-tempered, and moody, and has a knack for getting herself in trouble by hanging with morally questionable individuals. Despite this, she shows moments of genuine vulnerability which endear her to Ray and Maggie even as she often frustrates and angers them.
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* JerkassWoobie: Vivian "Frogmouth" Solis is loud, obnoxious, sharp-tongued, quick-tempered, and moody, and has a knack for getting herself in trouble by hanging with morally questionable individuals. Despite this, she shows moments of genuine vulnerability which endear her to Ray and Maggie even as she often frustrates and angers them.them.
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* GermansLoveDavidHsselhoff: The band had more hits in the US than their native UK.
* MorePopularSpinoff: While Music/{{Bauhaus}} was more influential, Love and Rockets had more commercial success.
* SignatureSong: "So Alive"
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: They lost a lot of fans for going the electronic route with ''Hot Trip to Heaven''.
!! The band:
* GermansLoveDavidHsselhoff: The band had more hits in the US than their native UK.
* MorePopularSpinoff: While Music/{{Bauhaus}} was more influential, Love and Rockets had more commercial success.
* SignatureSong: "So Alive"
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: They lost a lot of fans for going the electronic route with ''Hot Trip to Heaven''.
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!!The "Locas" stories contain examples of:
* GrowingTheBeard: Many critics pinpoint "Vida Loca: The Death of Speedy Ortiz" as the arc in which Jaime's narrative and characterization skills first reach maturity, following his shift from SF action-adventure tales to realistic depictions of Mexican-American urban life.
* JerkassWoobie: Vivian "Frogmouth" Solis is loud, obnoxious, sharp-tongued, quick-tempered, and moody, and has a knack for getting herself in trouble by hanging with morally questionable individuals. Despite this, she shows moments of genuine vulnerability which endear her to Ray and Maggie even as she often frustrates and angers them.
!!The "Locas" stories contain examples of:
* GrowingTheBeard: Many critics pinpoint "Vida Loca: The Death of Speedy Ortiz" as the arc in which Jaime's narrative and characterization skills first reach maturity, following his shift from SF action-adventure tales to realistic depictions of Mexican-American urban life.
* JerkassWoobie: Vivian "Frogmouth" Solis is loud, obnoxious, sharp-tongued, quick-tempered, and moody, and has a knack for getting herself in trouble by hanging with morally questionable individuals. Despite this, she shows moments of genuine vulnerability which endear her to Ray and Maggie even as she often frustrates and angers them.
