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** Leaks, by a ''huge'' margin, despite being the villain of the game.

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** Leaks, [[DarthVaderClone Leaks]], by a ''huge'' margin, despite being the villain of the game. His character design and backstory probably helps.
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** Froud and Verg count, considering how they became devils in the first place.

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** Froud and Verg count, count to an extent, considering how they became devils in the first place.place. Of course, that doesn't justify the horrible things they do in the present...
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* HilariousInHindsight: While understandable, the words "osu" and "mesu" are mentioned a lot in the game. Then comes ''VisualNovel/SweetPool'', where both words take a whole new meaning...

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* HilariousInHindsight: While understandable, the words "osu" and "mesu" (the Japanese pronouns used to refer to a male and female ''animal'', respectively) are mentioned a lot in the game. Then comes came ''VisualNovel/SweetPool'', where both words take a whole new meaning...



* ToughActToFollow: ''VisualNovel/SweetPool'' and ''[[VisualNovel/DramaticalMurder DRAMAtical Murder]]'' are ''by no means'' sub-par visual novels, with the latter being [[CashCowFranchise extremely]] [[SleeperHit successful]] that it has spawned a sequel, an animated adaptation (plus an OVA), a PolishedPort, several drama [=CDs=], short stories, a wide array of soundtracks, and various merchandises. However, there are some fans who believe that the following games that [[Creator/{{Nitroplus}} Nitro+CHiRAL]] created or will create after ''Lamento'' will always be somewhat inferior in terms of overall quality, particularly when it comes to the plot.

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* ToughActToFollow: ''VisualNovel/SweetPool'' and ''[[VisualNovel/DramaticalMurder DRAMAtical Murder]]'' are ''by by no means'' means sub-par visual novels, with the latter being [[CashCowFranchise extremely]] [[SleeperHit successful]] that it has spawned a sequel, an animated adaptation (plus an OVA), a PolishedPort, several drama [=CDs=], short stories, a wide array of soundtracks, and various merchandises. However, there are some fans who believe that the following games that [[Creator/{{Nitroplus}} Nitro+CHiRAL]] created or will create after ''Lamento'' will always be somewhat inferior in terms of overall quality, particularly when it comes to the plot.

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* AmericansHateTingle: Not exactly 'hated' per se, but many western fans do not think very highly of [[https://vndb.org/s222 Shimokura Vio]] (writer of ''Sumaga'', ''Steins;Gate'', ''Axanael''), due to his writing style.
* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: All of their works has this, coupled with SugarWiki/AwesomeArt.
* BrokenBase: Mostly in the western fanbase.
** Back then, western fans were divided over Sumaga, due to its' LighterAndSofter themes, aesthetics, and the writing style, which is completely different from Nitro+'s other titles.
** Happened again when Totono was first announced, although the WolverinePublicity of the [[Main/{{Yandere}} darker moments]] quickly lessened this.
** This also happened to ''VisualNovel/DramaticalMurder'' when it was first announced. Some western fans were divided over the cheery art style and aesthetics. This has since died down, after the fact that it is [[Main/CerebusSyndrome still as deep and dark]] as Chiral's other games.
** The decision of JAST USA localizing their titles. Though the reason is pretty [[Main/DevelopmentHell reasonable]].
* CreatorWorship: Creator/GenUrobuchi, obviously. So much that their online store included a section of goods from his works.
* CultClassic: Their visual novels are this among the western fanbase. The [[YaoiGenre Chiral]] titles are also this among the whole Yaoi fanbase.
* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: ''VisualNovel/SayaNoUta'' and ''VisualNovel/SweetPool'' are much loved in the west.
* GrowingTheBeard: In Japan, ''VisualNovel/{{Demonbane}}'' did this to them.
* ItWasHisSled: Everything about [[Main/{{Metafiction}} Totono]] is now a common knowledge among the fanbase.
* {{Moe}}: ''Anime/SuperSonico'', though some of their works has this trope in use.
** Any chibi drawn by Yuupon and [[https://twitter.com/minouaki minoa]]
* PeripheryDemographic: Their works are enjoyed by many kinds of audiences.
** The Chiral titles are enjoyed by non-BL Fans, as they are aesthetically and thematically different and don't have many examples of basic BoysLoveTropes; which, even if used, are played with and deconstructed to the extreme.
* PolishedPort: The console ports. Special mention goes to ''VisualNovel/{{Demonbane}}'' which had character voices added, ''VisualNovel/DramaticalMurder'' for the [[Main/EnsembleDarkhorse long-awaited Mizuki route]], and ''[[Anime/SuperSonico [=SoniComi=]]]'' for the better graphics and bonus contents.
* ToughActToFollow: Some people in the western fanbase think that Nitro+ won't create something epic as ''Muramasa'' ever again.

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* AmericansHateTingle: Not exactly 'hated' per se, AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: It's left ambiguous just what kind of love [[spoiler: Leaks]] felt for [[spoiler: Shui]]. Are his feelings romantic, or only platonic but many western fans do not think very highly of [[https://vndb.org/s222 Shimokura Vio]] (writer of ''Sumaga'', ''Steins;Gate'', ''Axanael''), due to his writing style.
* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: All of their works has this, coupled with SugarWiki/AwesomeArt.
nevertheless deep?
* BrokenBase: Mostly in the western fanbase.
** Back then, western fans were divided over Sumaga, due to its' LighterAndSofter themes, aesthetics, and the writing style,
While not a very heated topic, there's some who still question which is completely different from Nitro+'s other titles.
** Happened again when Totono was first announced, although
the WolverinePublicity true route of the [[Main/{{Yandere}} darker moments]] quickly lessened this.
** This also happened to ''VisualNovel/DramaticalMurder'' when it was first announced.
story: Bardo's or Rai's (while Asato is well-beloved by the fans, his route has left a lot of questions unanswered, and Rai and Bardo's routes have a much more complete plot resolution). Some western fans were divided over the cheery art style and aesthetics. This has since died down, after the fact argue that it while Rai's route is [[Main/CerebusSyndrome still as deep longer in terms of content, with his relationship with Konoe being the more explored and dark]] as Chiral's other games.
** The decision of JAST USA localizing their titles. Though the reason is pretty [[Main/DevelopmentHell reasonable]].
* CreatorWorship: Creator/GenUrobuchi, obviously. So
advertised; Bardo's route has a much that their online store included a section of goods from more concise storyline, [[spoiler: Leaks and Shui's backstory]] is shown with the most detail here, ''everyone's'' issues are resolved by the end, and it's not like his works.
* CultClassic: Their visual novels are this among the western fanbase. The [[YaoiGenre Chiral]] titles are also this among the whole Yaoi fanbase.
* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: ''VisualNovel/SayaNoUta'' and ''VisualNovel/SweetPool'' are much loved in the west.
* GrowingTheBeard: In Japan, ''VisualNovel/{{Demonbane}}'' did this to them.
* ItWasHisSled: Everything about [[Main/{{Metafiction}} Totono]] is now a common knowledge among the fanbase.
* {{Moe}}: ''Anime/SuperSonico'', though some of their works has this trope in use.
** Any chibi drawn by Yuupon and [[https://twitter.com/minouaki minoa]]
* PeripheryDemographic: Their works are enjoyed by many kinds of audiences.
relationship with Konoe lacks any substantial development.
** * CrowningMusicOfAwesome: The Chiral titles are enjoyed by non-BL Fans, as they are aesthetically and thematically different and don't have many examples of basic BoysLoveTropes; which, whole [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKCCvSyaSd0 soundtrack]]. [[AwesomeMusic/LamentoBeyondTheVoid It even if used, are played has a list now]].
* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: [[spoiler: Froud's bad ending involves Konoe being brutally raped by him,
with Konoe completely helpless to fight back. And while being violated, he sees Rai watching him in horror, albeit the latter is unable to do anything since he's pinned down by blades.]] Now [[Manga/{{Berserk}} where did this happen again]]?
* DracoInLeatherPants:
** All the four devils. [[EvilIsSexy Is anyone even surprised?]]
** [[CreepyTwins Ul
and deconstructed to the extreme.Kil]] also count.
** Leaks, by a ''huge'' margin, despite being the villain of the game.
* PolishedPort: The console ports. Special mention goes EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Tokino is essentially only a side character, yet is adored by many fans.
** Kagari is loved by fans due
to ''VisualNovel/{{Demonbane}}'' which had being an ActionGirl, a female character voices added, ''VisualNovel/DramaticalMurder'' who doesn't exist to get in the way of a romantic relationship, and one of the very few people who cares for Asato.
** [[spoiler:Shui]] is widely popular, particularly due to [[spoiler: his relationship with Leaks, and being Konoe's father]]. Not to mention, his kind, gentle, friendly and {{Adorkable}} personality immediately warmed himself up to everyone who played
the [[Main/EnsembleDarkhorse long-awaited Mizuki route]], game.
** Bojyo ([[AllThereInTheManual the shaman]]) is also somewhat of a fan favorite.
* FanPreferredCouple: There is a very sensitive war going on until today about who is Konoe's best choice as his partner. Considering he has three options it's not an easy discussion, but Rai seems to be the favorite of the majority.
* FoeYay: Most prominent between Rai
and ''[[Anime/SuperSonico [=SoniComi=]]]'' for Asato, with Kaltz and Verg coming second.
* HilariousInHindsight: While understandable,
the better graphics words "osu" and bonus contents.
"mesu" are mentioned a lot in the game. Then comes ''VisualNovel/SweetPool'', where both words take a whole new meaning...
* JerkassWoobie:
** Leaks, with a touch of WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds.
** Froud and Verg count, considering how they became devils in the first place.
* MemeticMutation: Since the release of ''WesternAnimation/InsideOut'', many fans have been comparing the four devils to the emotions in said animated film (minus Fear).
* MoralEventHorizon: While Leaks is a pretty despicable guy in general, [[spoiler: using Firi's life to power himself up]] is what makes Konoe decide to never forgive him.
* PairTheSpares: Many fans like to imagine that Rai and Asato eventually got together in Bardo's route.
* RetroactiveRecognition: Any fan with a good ear might realize that they had heard Verg's voice [[Manga/JunjouRomantica somewhere else]]...
* ToughActToFollow: Some people in ''VisualNovel/SweetPool'' and ''[[VisualNovel/DramaticalMurder DRAMAtical Murder]]'' are ''by no means'' sub-par visual novels, with the western fanbase think latter being [[CashCowFranchise extremely]] [[SleeperHit successful]] that Nitro+ won't it has spawned a sequel, an animated adaptation (plus an OVA), a PolishedPort, several drama [=CDs=], short stories, a wide array of soundtracks, and various merchandises. However, there are some fans who believe that the following games that [[Creator/{{Nitroplus}} Nitro+CHiRAL]] created or will create something epic as ''Muramasa'' ever again.after ''Lamento'' will always be somewhat inferior in terms of overall quality, particularly when it comes to the plot.
* TheWoobie: With the exception of Tokino and a few other minor characters, there's not a single character who ''doesn't'' belong in this category.
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** The Chiral titles are enjoyed by non-BL Fans, as they are aesthetically and thematically different and don't have many examples of basic BoysLoveTropes; which, even if they are used, are played with and deconstructed to the extreme.

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** The Chiral titles are enjoyed by non-BL Fans, as they are aesthetically and thematically different and don't have many examples of basic BoysLoveTropes; which, even if they are used, are played with and deconstructed to the extreme.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: It's left ambiguous just what kind of love [[spoiler: Leaks]] felt for [[spoiler: Shui]]. Are his feelings romantic, or only platonic but nevertheless deep?
* BrokenBase: While not a very heated topic, there's some who still question which is the true route of the story: Bardo's or Rai's (while Asato is well-beloved by the fans, his route has left a lot of questions unanswered, and Rai and Bardo's routes have a much more complete plot resolution). Some argue that while Rai's route is longer in terms of content, with his relationship with Konoe being the more explored and advertised; Bardo's route has a much more concise storyline, [[spoiler: Leaks and Shui's backstory]] is shown with the most detail here, ''everyone's'' issues are resolved by the end, and it's not like his relationship with Konoe lacks any substantial development.
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: The whole [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKCCvSyaSd0 soundtrack]]. [[AwesomeMusic/LamentoBeyondTheVoid It even has a list now]].
* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: [[spoiler: Froud's bad ending involves Konoe being brutally raped by him, with Konoe completely helpless to fight back. And while being violated, he sees Rai watching him in horror, albeit the latter is unable to do anything since he's pinned down by blades.]] Now [[Manga/{{Berserk}} where did this happen again]]?
* DracoInLeatherPants:
** All the four devils. [[EvilIsSexy Is anyone even surprised?]]
** [[CreepyTwins Ul and Kil]] also count.
** Leaks, by a ''huge'' margin, despite being the villain of the game.
* EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Tokino is essentially only a side character, yet is adored by many fans.
** Kagari is loved by fans due to being an ActionGirl, a female character who doesn't exist to get in the way of a romantic relationship, and one of the very few people who cares for Asato.
** [[spoiler:Shui]] is widely popular, particularly due to [[spoiler: his relationship with Leaks, and being Konoe's father]]. Not to mention, his kind, gentle, friendly and {{Adorkable}} personality immediately warmed himself up to everyone who played the game.
** Bojyo ([[AllThereInTheManual the shaman]]) is also somewhat of a fan favorite.
* FanPreferredCouple: There is a very sensitive war going on until today about who is Konoe's best choice as his partner. Considering he has three options it's not an easy discussion, but Rai seems to be the favorite of the majority.
* FoeYay: Most prominent between Rai and Asato, with Kaltz and Verg coming second.
* HilariousInHindsight: While understandable, the words "osu" and "mesu" are mentioned a lot in the game. Then comes ''VisualNovel/SweetPool'', where both words take a whole new meaning...
* JerkassWoobie:
** Leaks, with a touch of WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds.
** Froud and Verg count, considering how they became devils in the first place.
* MemeticMutation: Since the release of ''WesternAnimation/InsideOut'', many fans have been comparing the four devils to the emotions in said animated film (minus Fear).
* MoralEventHorizon: While Leaks is a pretty despicable guy in general, [[spoiler: using Firi's life to power himself up]] is what makes Konoe decide to never forgive him.
* PairTheSpares: Many fans like to imagine that Rai and Asato eventually got together in Bardo's route.
* RetroactiveRecognition: Any fan with a good ear might realize that they had heard Verg's voice [[Manga/JunjouRomantica somewhere else]]...
* ToughActToFollow: ''VisualNovel/SweetPool'' and ''[[VisualNovel/DramaticalMurder DRAMAtical Murder]]'' are ''by no means'' sub-par visual novels, with the latter being [[CashCowFranchise extremely]] [[SleeperHit successful]] that it has spawned a sequel, an animated adaptation (plus an OVA), a PolishedPort, several drama [=CDs=], short stories, a wide array of soundtracks, and various merchandises. However, there are some fans who believe that the following games that [[Creator/{{Nitroplus}} Nitro+CHiRAL]] created or will create after ''Lamento'' will always be somewhat inferior in terms of overall quality, particularly when it comes to the plot.
* TheWoobie: With the exception of Tokino and a few other minor characters, there's not a single character who ''doesn't'' belong in this category.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: It's left ambiguous just what kind AmericansHateTingle: Not exactly 'hated' per se, but many western fans do not think very highly of love [[spoiler: Leaks]] felt for [[spoiler: Shui]]. Are [[https://vndb.org/s222 Shimokura Vio]] (writer of ''Sumaga'', ''Steins;Gate'', ''Axanael''), due to his feelings romantic, or only platonic but nevertheless deep?
writing style.
* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: All of their works has this, coupled with SugarWiki/AwesomeArt.
* BrokenBase: While not a very heated topic, there's some who still question Mostly in the western fanbase.
** Back then, western fans were divided over Sumaga, due to its' LighterAndSofter themes, aesthetics, and the writing style,
which is completely different from Nitro+'s other titles.
** Happened again when Totono was first announced, although
the true route WolverinePublicity of the story: Bardo's or Rai's (while Asato is well-beloved by [[Main/{{Yandere}} darker moments]] quickly lessened this.
** This also happened to ''VisualNovel/DramaticalMurder'' when it was first announced. Some western fans were divided over
the fans, his route cheery art style and aesthetics. This has left a lot of questions unanswered, since died down, after the fact that it is [[Main/CerebusSyndrome still as deep and Rai and Bardo's routes have a dark]] as Chiral's other games.
** The decision of JAST USA localizing their titles. Though the reason is pretty [[Main/DevelopmentHell reasonable]].
* CreatorWorship: Creator/GenUrobuchi, obviously. So
much more complete plot resolution). Some argue that while Rai's route is longer in terms their online store included a section of content, with goods from his relationship with Konoe being works.
* CultClassic: Their visual novels are this among
the more explored western fanbase. The [[YaoiGenre Chiral]] titles are also this among the whole Yaoi fanbase.
* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: ''VisualNovel/SayaNoUta''
and advertised; Bardo's route has a ''VisualNovel/SweetPool'' are much more concise storyline, [[spoiler: Leaks loved in the west.
* GrowingTheBeard: In Japan, ''VisualNovel/{{Demonbane}}'' did this to them.
* ItWasHisSled: Everything about [[Main/{{Metafiction}} Totono]] is now a common knowledge among the fanbase.
* {{Moe}}: ''Anime/SuperSonico'', though some of their works has this trope in use.
** Any chibi drawn by Yuupon
and Shui's backstory]] is shown with the most detail here, ''everyone's'' issues [[https://twitter.com/minouaki minoa]]
* PeripheryDemographic: Their works
are resolved enjoyed by the end, and it's not like his relationship with Konoe lacks any substantial development.many kinds of audiences.
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: ** The whole [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKCCvSyaSd0 soundtrack]]. [[AwesomeMusic/LamentoBeyondTheVoid It Chiral titles are enjoyed by non-BL Fans, as they are aesthetically and thematically different and don't have many examples of basic BoysLoveTropes; which, even has a list now]].
* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: [[spoiler: Froud's bad ending involves Konoe being brutally raped by him,
if they are used, are played with Konoe completely helpless and deconstructed to fight back. And while being violated, he sees Rai watching him in horror, albeit the latter is unable to do anything since he's pinned down by blades.]] Now [[Manga/{{Berserk}} where did this happen again]]?
* DracoInLeatherPants:
** All the four devils. [[EvilIsSexy Is anyone even surprised?]]
** [[CreepyTwins Ul and Kil]] also count.
extreme.
** Leaks, by a ''huge'' margin, despite being the villain of the game.
* EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Tokino is essentially only a side character, yet is adored by many fans.
** Kagari is loved by fans due
PolishedPort: The console ports. Special mention goes to being an ActionGirl, a female ''VisualNovel/{{Demonbane}}'' which had character who doesn't exist to get in voices added, ''VisualNovel/DramaticalMurder'' for the way of a romantic relationship, [[Main/EnsembleDarkhorse long-awaited Mizuki route]], and one of ''[[Anime/SuperSonico [=SoniComi=]]]'' for the very few people who cares for Asato.
** [[spoiler:Shui]] is widely popular, particularly due to [[spoiler: his relationship with Leaks,
better graphics and being Konoe's father]]. Not to mention, his kind, gentle, friendly and {{Adorkable}} personality immediately warmed himself up to everyone who played the game.
** Bojyo ([[AllThereInTheManual the shaman]]) is also somewhat of a fan favorite.
* FanPreferredCouple: There is a very sensitive war going on until today about who is Konoe's best choice as his partner. Considering he has three options it's not an easy discussion, but Rai seems to be the favorite of the majority.
* FoeYay: Most prominent between Rai and Asato, with Kaltz and Verg coming second.
* HilariousInHindsight: While understandable, the words "osu" and "mesu" are mentioned a lot in the game. Then comes ''VisualNovel/SweetPool'', where both words take a whole new meaning...
* JerkassWoobie:
** Leaks, with a touch of WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds.
** Froud and Verg count, considering how they became devils in the first place.
* MemeticMutation: Since the release of ''WesternAnimation/InsideOut'', many fans have been comparing the four devils to the emotions in said animated film (minus Fear).
* MoralEventHorizon: While Leaks is a pretty despicable guy in general, [[spoiler: using Firi's life to power himself up]] is what makes Konoe decide to never forgive him.
* PairTheSpares: Many fans like to imagine that Rai and Asato eventually got together in Bardo's route.
* RetroactiveRecognition: Any fan with a good ear might realize that they had heard Verg's voice [[Manga/JunjouRomantica somewhere else]]...
bonus contents.
* ToughActToFollow: ''VisualNovel/SweetPool'' and ''[[VisualNovel/DramaticalMurder DRAMAtical Murder]]'' are ''by no means'' sub-par visual novels, with Some people in the latter being [[CashCowFranchise extremely]] [[SleeperHit successful]] western fanbase think that it has spawned a sequel, an animated adaptation (plus an OVA), a PolishedPort, several drama [=CDs=], short stories, a wide array of soundtracks, and various merchandises. However, there are some fans who believe that the following games that [[Creator/{{Nitroplus}} Nitro+CHiRAL]] created or will Nitro+ won't create after ''Lamento'' will always be somewhat inferior in terms of overall quality, particularly when it comes to the plot.
* TheWoobie: With the exception of Tokino and a few other minor characters, there's not a single character who ''doesn't'' belong in this category.
something epic as ''Muramasa'' ever again.
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* TheWoobie: With the exception of Tokino and a few other minor characters, there's not a single character who doesn't belong in this category.

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* TheWoobie: With the exception of Tokino and a few other minor characters, there's not a single character who doesn't ''doesn't'' belong in this category.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: It's left ambiguous [[spoiler: just what kind of love Leaks felt for Shui. Are his feelings romantic, or only platonic but nevertheless deep?]]

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: It's left ambiguous [[spoiler: just what kind of love Leaks [[spoiler: Leaks]] felt for Shui. [[spoiler: Shui]]. Are his feelings romantic, or only platonic but nevertheless deep?]]deep?



* RetroactiveRecognition: Any yaoi fan with a good ear who plays the visual novel might realize that they had heard Verg's voice [[Manga/JunjouRomantica somewhere else]]...

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* RetroactiveRecognition: Any yaoi fan with a good ear who plays the visual novel might realize that they had heard Verg's voice [[Manga/JunjouRomantica somewhere else]]...



* TheWoobie: With the exception of Tokino and a few other minor characters, there's not a single character who doesn't belong in the category.

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* TheWoobie: With the exception of Tokino and a few other minor characters, there's not a single character who doesn't belong in the this category.

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* JerkassWoobie:
** Leaks, with a touch of WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds.
** Froud and Verg count, considering how they became devils in the first place.



* TheWoobie: With the exception of Tokino and a few other minor characters, there's not a character who doesn't belong in the category.
** JerkassWoobie:
*** Leaks, with a touch of WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds.
*** Froud and Verg count, considering how they became devils in the first place.

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* TheWoobie: With the exception of Tokino and a few other minor characters, there's not a single character who doesn't belong in the category.
** JerkassWoobie:
*** Leaks, with a touch of WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds.
*** Froud and Verg count, considering how they became devils in the first place.
category.

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* JerkassWoobie:
** Leaks, with a touch of WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds.
** Froud and Verg count, considering how they became devils in the first place.



* ToughActToFollow: ''VisualNovel/SweetPool'' and ''[[VisualNovel/DramaticalMurder DRAMAtical Murder]]'' are ''by no means'' sub-par visual novels, with the latter being [[CashCowFranchise extremely]] [[SleeperHit successful]] that it has spawned a sequel, an animated adaptation (plus an OVA), a PolishedPort, several drama [=CDs=], short stories, a wide array of soundtracks, and various merchandises. However, there are some fans who believe that the following games that [[Creator/{{Nitroplus}} Nitro+CHiRAL]] created or will create after ''Lamento'' will always be somewhat inferior in terms of overall quality, particularly when it comes to the plot.

to:

* ToughActToFollow: ''VisualNovel/SweetPool'' and ''[[VisualNovel/DramaticalMurder DRAMAtical Murder]]'' are ''by no means'' sub-par visual novels, with the latter being [[CashCowFranchise extremely]] [[SleeperHit successful]] that it has spawned a sequel, an animated adaptation (plus an OVA), a PolishedPort, several drama [=CDs=], short stories, a wide array of soundtracks, and various merchandises. However, there are some fans who believe that the following games that [[Creator/{{Nitroplus}} Nitro+CHiRAL]] created or will create after ''Lamento'' will always be somewhat inferior in terms of overall quality, particularly when it comes to the plot.plot.
* TheWoobie: With the exception of Tokino and a few other minor characters, there's not a character who doesn't belong in the category.
** JerkassWoobie:
*** Leaks, with a touch of WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds.
*** Froud and Verg count, considering how they became devils in the first place.
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* ToughActToFollow: ''VisualNovel/SweetPool'' and ''[[VisualNovel/DramaticalMurder DRAMAtical Murder]]'' are ''by no means'' sub-par visual novels, with the latter being [[CashCowFranchise extremely]] [[SleeperHit successful]] that it has spawned a sequel, a PolishedPort, several drama [=CDs=], short stories, a wide array of soundtracks, and various merchandises. However, there are some fans who believe that the following games that [[Creator/{{Nitroplus}} Nitro+CHiRAL]] created or will create after Lamento will always be somewhat inferior in terms of overall quality.

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* ToughActToFollow: ''VisualNovel/SweetPool'' and ''[[VisualNovel/DramaticalMurder DRAMAtical Murder]]'' are ''by no means'' sub-par visual novels, with the latter being [[CashCowFranchise extremely]] [[SleeperHit successful]] that it has spawned a sequel, an animated adaptation (plus an OVA), a PolishedPort, several drama [=CDs=], short stories, a wide array of soundtracks, and various merchandises. However, there are some fans who believe that the following games that [[Creator/{{Nitroplus}} Nitro+CHiRAL]] created or will create after Lamento ''Lamento'' will always be somewhat inferior in terms of overall quality.quality, particularly when it comes to the plot.

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* ToughActToFollow: ''VisualNovel/SweetPool'' and ''[[VisualNovel/DramaticalMurder DRAMAtical Murder]]'' are ''by no means'' sub-par visual novels, with the latter being [[CashCowFranchise extremely]] [[SleeperHit successful]] that it has spawned a sequel, a PolishedPort, several drama [=CDs=], short stories, a wide array of soundtracks, and various merchandises. However, there are some fans who believe that the following games that [[Creator/{{Nitroplus}} Nitro+CHiRAL]] created or will create after Lamento will always be somewhat inferior in terms of overall quality.
* TheWoobie: ''All of the main cast'', no exception. Even the devils, and Leaks also count.

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* ToughActToFollow: ''VisualNovel/SweetPool'' and ''[[VisualNovel/DramaticalMurder DRAMAtical Murder]]'' are ''by no means'' sub-par visual novels, with the latter being [[CashCowFranchise extremely]] [[SleeperHit successful]] that it has spawned a sequel, a PolishedPort, several drama [=CDs=], short stories, a wide array of soundtracks, and various merchandises. However, there are some fans who believe that the following games that [[Creator/{{Nitroplus}} Nitro+CHiRAL]] created or will create after Lamento will always be somewhat inferior in terms of overall quality. \n* TheWoobie: ''All of the main cast'', no exception. Even the devils, and Leaks also count.

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* BrokenBase: While not a very heated topic, there's some who still question which is the true route of the story: Bardo's or Rai's (while Asato is well-beloved by the fans, his route has left a lot of questions unanswered, and Rai and Bardo's routes have a much more complete plot resolution). Some argue that while Rai's route is longer in terms of content, with his relationship with Konoe being the more explored and developed; Bardo's route has a much more concise storyline, [[spoiler: Leaks and Shui's backstory]] is shown with the most detail here, ''everyone's'' issues are resolved by the end, and it's not like his relationship with Konoe lacks any substantial development.

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* BrokenBase: While not a very heated topic, there's some who still question which is the true route of the story: Bardo's or Rai's (while Asato is well-beloved by the fans, his route has left a lot of questions unanswered, and Rai and Bardo's routes have a much more complete plot resolution). Some argue that while Rai's route is longer in terms of content, with his relationship with Konoe being the more explored and developed; advertised; Bardo's route has a much more concise storyline, [[spoiler: Leaks and Shui's backstory]] is shown with the most detail here, ''everyone's'' issues are resolved by the end, and it's not like his relationship with Konoe lacks any substantial development.



* FanPreferredCouple: There is a very sensitive war going on until today about who is Konoe's best choice as his partner. Considering he has three options, it's not an easy discussion but Rai seems to be the favorite of the majority.

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* FanPreferredCouple: There is a very sensitive war going on until today about who is Konoe's best choice as his partner. Considering he has three options, options it's not an easy discussion discussion, but Rai seems to be the favorite of the majority.



* HilariousInHindsight: While understandable, there's a lot of characters in the game mentioning the words "osu" and "mesu". Then comes ''VisualNovel/SweetPool'', where both words take a whole new meaning...

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* HilariousInHindsight: While understandable, there's a lot of characters in the game mentioning the words "osu" and "mesu"."mesu" are mentioned a lot in the game. Then comes ''VisualNovel/SweetPool'', where both words take a whole new meaning...



* PairTheSpares: Many fans would like to imagine that Rai and Asato eventually get together in Bardo's route.

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* PairTheSpares: Many fans would like to imagine that Rai and Asato eventually get got together in Bardo's route.



* StoicWoobie: Rai. [[spoiler: Has no fond memories to fall back on and even if he did the person who probably made them ruined it. Refused Konoe's offers to sing a lullaby for him a few times despite feeling down at the time.]]



* TheWoobie: Asato. [[spoiler: He is looked down upon as a monster by his village and has been accused of attacking the village.]]

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* TheWoobie: Asato. [[spoiler: He is looked down upon as a monster by his village ''All of the main cast'', no exception. Even the devils, and has been accused of attacking the village.]]Leaks also count.
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* BrokenBase: While not a very heated topic, there's some who still question which is the true route of the story: Bardo's or Rai's. While Asato is well-beloved by the fans, his route has left a lot of questions unanswered, while Rai and Bardo's routes have a much more complete resolution to the plot. Some argue that while Rai's route is longer in terms of content, along with his relationship with Konoe being the more explored and developed; Bardo's route is much more concise in terms of plot [[spoiler:(with Leaks and Shui's backstory being shown with the most detail)]] and ''everyone's'' issues are resolved by the end, and it's not like his relationship with Konoe lacks any substantial development.

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* BrokenBase: While not a very heated topic, there's some who still question which is the true route of the story: Bardo's or Rai's. While Rai's (while Asato is well-beloved by the fans, his route has left a lot of questions unanswered, while and Rai and Bardo's routes have a much more complete resolution to the plot. plot resolution). Some argue that while Rai's route is longer in terms of content, along with his relationship with Konoe being the more explored and developed; Bardo's route is has a much more concise in terms of plot [[spoiler:(with storyline, [[spoiler: Leaks and Shui's backstory being backstory]] is shown with the most detail)]] and detail here, ''everyone's'' issues are resolved by the end, and it's not like his relationship with Konoe lacks any substantial development.



** The CreepyTwins Ul and Kil also count.

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** The CreepyTwins [[CreepyTwins Ul and Kil Kil]] also count.



** The shaman, despite having no name, is also somewhat of a fan favorite.

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** The shaman, despite having no name, Bojyo ([[AllThereInTheManual the shaman]]) is also somewhat of a fan favorite.



* HilariousInHindsight: While understandable, there's a lot of characters in the game mentioning the words "osu" (Japanese for "male") and "mesu" (Japanese for "female"). Then comes ''VisualNovel/SweetPool'', where both words take a whole new meaning...

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* HilariousInHindsight: While understandable, there's a lot of characters in the game mentioning the words "osu" (Japanese for "male") and "mesu" (Japanese for "female")."mesu". Then comes ''VisualNovel/SweetPool'', where both words take a whole new meaning...



** Froud and Verg count, considering their backstories that explains how they became devils in the first place.

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** Froud and Verg count, considering their backstories that explains how they became devils in the first place.
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* BrokenBase: While not a very heated topic, there's some who still question which is the true route of the story: Bardo's or Rai's. While Asato is well-beloved by the fans, his route has left a lot of questions unanswered, while Rai and Bardo's routes have a much more complete resolution to the plot. Some argue that while Rai's route is longer in terms of content, along with his relationship with Konoe being the more explored and developed; Bardo's route is much more concise in terms of plot and ''everyone's'' issues are resolved by the end, and it's not like his relationship with Konoe lacks any substantial development.

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* BrokenBase: While not a very heated topic, there's some who still question which is the true route of the story: Bardo's or Rai's. While Asato is well-beloved by the fans, his route has left a lot of questions unanswered, while Rai and Bardo's routes have a much more complete resolution to the plot. Some argue that while Rai's route is longer in terms of content, along with his relationship with Konoe being the more explored and developed; Bardo's route is much more concise in terms of plot [[spoiler:(with Leaks and Shui's backstory being shown with the most detail)]] and ''everyone's'' issues are resolved by the end, and it's not like his relationship with Konoe lacks any substantial development.
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* BrokenBase: While not a very heated topic, there's some who still question which is the true route of the story: Bardo's or Rai's. While Asato is well-beloved by the fans, his route has left a lot of questions unanswered, while Rai and Bardo's routes have a much more complete resolution to the plot. Some argue that while Rai's route is longer in terms of content, along with his relationship with Konoe being the more explored and developed, Bardo's route is much more concise in terms of plot and ''everyone's'' issues are resolved by the end, and it's not like his relationship with Konoe lacks any substantial development.

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* BrokenBase: While not a very heated topic, there's some who still question which is the true route of the story: Bardo's or Rai's. While Asato is well-beloved by the fans, his route has left a lot of questions unanswered, while Rai and Bardo's routes have a much more complete resolution to the plot. Some argue that while Rai's route is longer in terms of content, along with his relationship with Konoe being the more explored and developed, developed; Bardo's route is much more concise in terms of plot and ''everyone's'' issues are resolved by the end, and it's not like his relationship with Konoe lacks any substantial development.



* PairTheSpares: Many fans would like to imagine that Rai and Asato eventually get together in Bardo's route, so that everyone is in a relationship and is happy.

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* PairTheSpares: Many fans would like to imagine that Rai and Asato eventually get together in Bardo's route, so that everyone is in a relationship and is happy.route.
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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: The whole [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKCCvSyaSd0 soundtrack]]. [[AwesomeMusic/LamentoBeyondTheVoid It even has a list of its own]].
* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: [[spoiler: Froud's bad ending involves Konoe being raped from behind by him, with Konoe completely helpless to fight back. And while being violated, he sees Rai watching him in horror, albeit the latter is unable to do anything since he's pinned down by blades.]] Now [[Manga/{{Berserk}} where did this happen again]]?

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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: The whole [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKCCvSyaSd0 soundtrack]]. [[AwesomeMusic/LamentoBeyondTheVoid It even has a list of its own]].
now]].
* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: [[spoiler: Froud's bad ending involves Konoe being brutally raped from behind by him, with Konoe completely helpless to fight back. And while being violated, he sees Rai watching him in horror, albeit the latter is unable to do anything since he's pinned down by blades.]] Now [[Manga/{{Berserk}} where did this happen again]]?
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* BrokenBase: While not a very heated topic, there's some who still question which is the true route of the story: Bardo's or Rai's. While Asato is well-beloved by the fans, his route has left a lot of questions unanswered, while Rai and Bardo's routes have a much more complete resolution to the plot. Some argue that while Rai's route is longer in terms of content, along with his relationship with Konoe being the more explored and developed, Bardo's route is much more concise in terms of plot and ''everyone's'' issues are resolved by the end, and it's not like his relationship with Konoe lacks any substantial development either.
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: The whole [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKCCvSyaSd0 soundtrack]]. [[AwesomeMusic/Lamento It even has a list of its own]].

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* BrokenBase: While not a very heated topic, there's some who still question which is the true route of the story: Bardo's or Rai's. While Asato is well-beloved by the fans, his route has left a lot of questions unanswered, while Rai and Bardo's routes have a much more complete resolution to the plot. Some argue that while Rai's route is longer in terms of content, along with his relationship with Konoe being the more explored and developed, Bardo's route is much more concise in terms of plot and ''everyone's'' issues are resolved by the end, and it's not like his relationship with Konoe lacks any substantial development either.development.
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: The whole [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKCCvSyaSd0 soundtrack]]. [[AwesomeMusic/Lamento [[AwesomeMusic/LamentoBeyondTheVoid It even has a list of its own]].

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* BrokenBase: While not a very heated topic, there's some who still question which route is the true route of the story: Bardo's or Rai's. While Asato is well-beloved by the fans, his route has left a lot of questions unanswered, while Rai and Bardo's routes have a much more complete resolution to the overall plot. Some argue that while Rai's route is far longer in terms of content, along with his relationship with Konoe being the most explored and developed, Bardo's route is much more concise in terms of plot and ''everyone's'' issues are resolved by the end.
* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: Konoe removes Rai's eyepatch and kisses his scar saying that he is really important to him so everything that is Rai is beautiful.
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: The whole [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKCCvSyaSd0 soundtrack]].

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* BrokenBase: While not a very heated topic, there's some who still question which route is the true route of the story: Bardo's or Rai's. While Asato is well-beloved by the fans, his route has left a lot of questions unanswered, while Rai and Bardo's routes have a much more complete resolution to the overall plot. Some argue that while Rai's route is far longer in terms of content, along with his relationship with Konoe being the most more explored and developed, Bardo's route is much more concise in terms of plot and ''everyone's'' issues are resolved by the end.end, and it's not like his relationship with Konoe lacks any substantial development either.
* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: Konoe removes Rai's eyepatch and kisses his scar saying that he is really important to him so everything that is Rai is beautiful.
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: The whole [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKCCvSyaSd0 soundtrack]]. [[AwesomeMusic/Lamento It even has a list of its own]].
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** [[spoiler:Shui]] is widely popular, particularly due to [[spoiler: his relationship with Leaks, and being Konoe's father]]. Not to mention, his kind, gentle, friendly and overall {{Adorkable}} personality immediately warmed himself up to everyone who played the game.

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** [[spoiler:Shui]] is widely popular, particularly due to [[spoiler: his relationship with Leaks, and being Konoe's father]]. Not to mention, his kind, gentle, friendly and overall {{Adorkable}} personality immediately warmed himself up to everyone who played the game.
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** [[spoiler:Shui]] is loved by all fans, particularly due to [[spoiler: his relationship with Leaks, and being Konoe's father]]. Not to mention, his overall kind, gentle, friendly and overall {{Adorkable}} personality immediately warmed himself up to everyone who plays the game.

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** [[spoiler:Shui]] is loved by all fans, widely popular, particularly due to [[spoiler: his relationship with Leaks, and being Konoe's father]]. Not to mention, his overall kind, gentle, friendly and overall {{Adorkable}} personality immediately warmed himself up to everyone who plays played the game.

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** The shaman, despite having no name, is also somewhat of a fan favorite.

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** [[spoiler:Shui]] is loved by all fans, particularly due to [[spoiler: his relationship with Leaks, and being Konoe's father]]. Not to mention, his overall kind, gentle, friendly and overall {{Adorkable}} personality immediately warmed himself up to everyone who plays the game.
** The shaman, despite having no name, is also somewhat of a fan favorite.


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* HilariousInHindsight: While understandable, there's a lot of characters in the game mentioning the words "osu" (Japanese for "male") and "mesu" (Japanese for "female"). Then comes ''VisualNovel/SweetPool'', where both words take a whole new meaning...
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* ToughActToFollow: ''VisualNovel/SweetPool'' and ''{{DRAMAtical Murder}}'' are ''by no means'' sub-par visual novels, with the latter being [[CashCowFranchise extremely]] [[SleeperHit successful]] that it has spawned a sequel, a PolishedPort, several drama [=CDs=], short stories, a wide array of soundtracks, and various merchandises. However, there are some fans who believe that the following games that [[Creator/{{Nitroplus}} Nitro+CHiRAL]] created or will create after Lamento will always be somewhat inferior in terms of overall quality.

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* ToughActToFollow: ''VisualNovel/SweetPool'' and ''{{DRAMAtical Murder}}'' ''[[VisualNovel/DramaticalMurder DRAMAtical Murder]]'' are ''by no means'' sub-par visual novels, with the latter being [[CashCowFranchise extremely]] [[SleeperHit successful]] that it has spawned a sequel, a PolishedPort, several drama [=CDs=], short stories, a wide array of soundtracks, and various merchandises. However, there are some fans who believe that the following games that [[Creator/{{Nitroplus}} Nitro+CHiRAL]] created or will create after Lamento will always be somewhat inferior in terms of overall quality.
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** Leaks, by a huge margin, despite being the villain of the game.

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** Leaks, by a huge ''huge'' margin, despite being the villain of the game.



** Surprisingly, Froud and Verg count, considering their backstories that explains how they became devils in the first place.

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** Surprisingly, Froud and Verg count, considering their backstories that explains how they became devils in the first place.
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* BrokenBase: While not a very heated topic, there's some who still question which route is the true route of the story: Bardo's or Rai's. While Asato is well-beloved by the fans, his route has left a lot of questions unanswered, while Rai and Bardo's routes have a much more complete resolution to the overall plot. Some argue that while Rai's route is far longer in terms of content, Bardo's route is much more concise in terms of plot and ''everyone's'' issues are resolved by the end.

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* BrokenBase: While not a very heated topic, there's some who still question which route is the true route of the story: Bardo's or Rai's. While Asato is well-beloved by the fans, his route has left a lot of questions unanswered, while Rai and Bardo's routes have a much more complete resolution to the overall plot. Some argue that while Rai's route is far longer in terms of content, along with his relationship with Konoe being the most explored and developed, Bardo's route is much more concise in terms of plot and ''everyone's'' issues are resolved by the end.



* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: [[spoiler: Froud's bad ending involves Konoe being raped from behind by him, with Konoe completely helpless to fight back. And while being violated, sees Rai watching him in horror, albeit unable to do anything since he's pinned down by blades.]] Now [[Manga/{{Berserk}} where did this happen again]]?

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* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: [[spoiler: Froud's bad ending involves Konoe being raped from behind by him, with Konoe completely helpless to fight back. And while being violated, he sees Rai watching him in horror, albeit the latter is unable to do anything since he's pinned down by blades.]] Now [[Manga/{{Berserk}} where did this happen again]]?



** Kagari is loved by fans due to being an ActionGirl, a female character who doesn't exist to get in the way of a romantic relationship, and one of the very few people who truly cares for Asato.

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** Kagari is loved by fans due to being an ActionGirl, a female character who doesn't exist to get in the way of a romantic relationship, and one of the very few people who truly cares for Asato.



** Surprisingly, Froud and Verg count, considering their backstories that explains what led them to become devils in the first place.

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** Surprisingly, Froud and Verg count, considering their backstories that explains what led them to become how they became devils in the first place.
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* FoeYay: Most prominent between Kaltz and Verg.

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* FoeYay: Most prominent between Rai and Asato, with Kaltz and Verg.Verg coming second.

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* BrokenBase: Over which route is the true route of the story: Bardo's or Rai's. While Asato is well-beloved by the fans, his route has left a lot of questions unanswered, unlike with Rai and Bardo, whose routes have a much more complete resolution to the overall plot. Some argue that while Rai's route is far longer in terms of content, Bardo's route is much more concise in terms of plot and ''everyone's'' issues are resolved by the end.

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* BrokenBase: Over While not a very heated topic, there's some who still question which route is the true route of the story: Bardo's or Rai's. While Asato is well-beloved by the fans, his route has left a lot of questions unanswered, unlike with while Rai and Bardo, whose Bardo's routes have a much more complete resolution to the overall plot. Some argue that while Rai's route is far longer in terms of content, Bardo's route is much more concise in terms of plot and ''everyone's'' issues are resolved by the end.



** Kagari is also quite popular due to being an ActionGirl, a female character who doesn't exist to get in the way of a romantic relationship, and one of the very few people who truly cares for Asato.

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** Kagari is also quite popular loved by fans due to being an ActionGirl, a female character who doesn't exist to get in the way of a romantic relationship, and one of the very few people who truly cares for Asato. Asato.
** The shaman, despite having no name, is also somewhat of a fan favorite.

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** Leaks, by a huge margin, despite being the villain of the game.



** [[spoiler: Leaks.]]

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** [[spoiler: Leaks.]] Leaks, with a touch of WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Tokino is essentially only a side character, yet is adored by many fans.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: EnsembleDarkhorse:
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Tokino is essentially only a side character, yet is adored by many fans. fans.
** Kagari is also quite popular due to being an ActionGirl, a female character who doesn't exist to get in the way of a romantic relationship, and one of the very few people who truly cares for Asato.

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