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** Especially since as Mark Waid himself has pointed on in interviews the league never had problem with the contingency plans but more the fact that Bruce took advantage of their friendship and trust instead of simply ''asking'' them which they would probably have no problem doing once he explained the reasoning behind it.
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** Especially since as Mark Waid himself has pointed on in interviews the league never had problem with the contingency plans but more the fact that Bruce took advantage of their friendship and trust instead of simply ''asking'' them which they would probably have no problem doing once he explained the reasoning behind it.
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* GatewaySeries: This comic often served as the introduction for many newcomers to Justice League. For one thing it was standalone, and it centered on Batman and a member of his rogues gallery which made it easier for newcomers to get in, owing to familiarity. The character driven nature of the plot also served as a good introduction to the group dynamics of the League.

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* GatewaySeries: This comic often served as the introduction for many newcomers to Justice League. For one thing thing, it was standalone, and it centered on Batman and a member of his rogues gallery gallery, which made it easier for newcomers to get in, owing to familiarity. The character driven character-driven nature of the plot also served as a good introduction to the group dynamics of the League.



* MisaimedFandom: This comic was intended by Mark Waid to subvert and correct Batman's CrazyPrepared attitude foisted on him by fans and creators. Instead it is celebrated and invoked as an example of Batman potentially being able to take down people outside his weight class. Furthermore fans often act as if this was a move of great courage and skill when Batman was able to do it because he used his friendship with fellow League members to get insight into their psychology and physical and technical weakpoints. It was more a case of low cunning than some great act of genius. Yet this comic inspired later takes on "the Batgod" when it was intended to criticize it and show what a terrible attitude this would be in a team where some amount of trust and give-and-take is needed. And while Batman does indeed have a point that having a contigency plan against a brainwashed Justice League is a ''good'' thing, the fact remains that he betrayed the trust of his friends.
* NightmareFuel: Batman's contingency plans for the Justice League. Even if they weren't designed to kill, they were put their targets through ColdBloodedTorture. Martian Manhunter being set on fire is especially bad because if he hadn't found a way to stop the fire it would have killed him.

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* MisaimedFandom: This comic was intended by Mark Waid to subvert and correct Batman's CrazyPrepared attitude foisted on him by fans and creators. Instead Instead, it is celebrated and invoked as an example of Batman potentially being able to take down people outside his weight class. Furthermore Furthermore, fans often act as if this was a move of great courage and skill when Batman was able to do it because he used his friendship with fellow League members to get insight into their psychology and physical and technical weakpoints. It was more a case of low cunning than some great act of genius. Yet Yet, this comic inspired later takes on "the Batgod" when it was intended to criticize it and show what a terrible attitude this would be in a team where some amount of trust and give-and-take is needed. And while Batman does indeed have a point that having a contigency plan against a brainwashed Justice League is a ''good'' thing, the fact remains that he betrayed the trust of his friends.
* NightmareFuel: Batman's contingency plans for the Justice League. Even if they weren't designed to kill, they were supposed to put their targets through ColdBloodedTorture. Martian Manhunter being set on fire is especially bad because because, if he hadn't found a way to stop the fire fire, it would have killed him.



* SignatureScene: The final issue of the arc where the League debate Batman's status is quite famous and well known. It was adapted into ''Starcrossed'' with Hawkgirl taking Batman's place for similar dramatic effect (and she also quits before hearing the judgment)[[note]]In her case Superman was going to break the tie and have her stay[[/note]].

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* SignatureScene: The final issue of the arc where the League debate Batman's status is quite famous and well known. It was adapted into ''Starcrossed'' "[[Recap/JusticeLeagueS2E24To26Starcrossed Starcrossed]]" with Hawkgirl taking Batman's place for similar dramatic effect (and she also quits before hearing the judgment)[[note]]In her case case, Superman was going to break the tie and have her stay[[/note]].

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* MisaimedFandom: This comic was intended by Mark Waid to subvert and correct Batman's CrazyPrepared attitude foisted on him by fans and creators. Instead it is celebrated and invoked as an example of Batman potentially being able to take down people outside his weight class. Furthermore fans often act as if this was a move of great courage and skill when Batman was able to do it because he used his friendship with fellow League members to get insight into their psychology and physical and technical weakpoints. It was more a case of low cunning than some great act of genius. Yet this comic inspired later takes on "the Batgod" when it was intended to criticize it and show what a terrible attitude this would be in a team where some amount of trust and give-and-take is needed.
** Admittedly, this is ''because'' BothSidesHaveAPoint. The comics have had multiple evil Kryptonians, multiple evil speedsters, mind control, mind transfer -- even the League has to admit (and does) that having plans to take down someone with their powers isn't a ''bad'' thing. They can even understand that Batman couldn't have told them what he was doing, as they would have taken steps to counteract or alter their weaknesses, rendering the plans less useful. But in the end, despite there being good reasons, Batman still used and betrayed the confidence of his friends and allies. When a friend stabs you in the back, it hurts, no matter how good their reason may have been.
*** It doesn't help that Diana[[note]]And Mark Waid in the introduction to the Deluxe Edition[[/note]] ends up [[StatingTheSimpleSolution pointing out the]] [[TakeAThirdOption obvious workaround to this]]; Batman should've just told them he was making plans but not actually telling them what they were, since this would solve the both the trust problem that all of the League had while keeping the plans secret so that they couldn't work around them.

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* MisaimedFandom: This comic was intended by Mark Waid to subvert and correct Batman's CrazyPrepared attitude foisted on him by fans and creators. Instead it is celebrated and invoked as an example of Batman potentially being able to take down people outside his weight class. Furthermore fans often act as if this was a move of great courage and skill when Batman was able to do it because he used his friendship with fellow League members to get insight into their psychology and physical and technical weakpoints. It was more a case of low cunning than some great act of genius. Yet this comic inspired later takes on "the Batgod" when it was intended to criticize it and show what a terrible attitude this would be in a team where some amount of trust and give-and-take is needed. \n** Admittedly, this is ''because'' BothSidesHaveAPoint. The comics And while Batman does indeed have had multiple evil Kryptonians, multiple evil speedsters, mind control, mind transfer -- even the League has to admit (and does) a point that having plans to take down someone with their powers isn't a ''bad'' thing. They can even understand contigency plan against a brainwashed Justice League is a ''good'' thing, the fact remains that Batman couldn't have told them what he was doing, as they would have taken steps to counteract or alter their weaknesses, rendering the plans less useful. But in the end, despite there being good reasons, Batman still used and betrayed the confidence trust of his friends and allies. When a friend stabs you in the back, it hurts, no matter how good their reason may have been.
*** It doesn't help that Diana[[note]]And Mark Waid in the introduction to the Deluxe Edition[[/note]] ends up [[StatingTheSimpleSolution pointing out the]] [[TakeAThirdOption obvious workaround to this]]; Batman should've just told them he was making plans but not actually telling them what they were, since this would solve the both the trust problem that all of the League had while keeping the plans secret so that they couldn't work around them.
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* GatewaySeries: This comic often served as the introduction for many newcomers to Justice League. For one thing it was standalone, and it centered on Batman and a member of his rogues gallery which made it easier for newcomers to get in, owing to familiarity. The nature of the plot and its character driven nature also served as a good introduction to the group dynamics of the League.

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* GatewaySeries: This comic often served as the introduction for many newcomers to Justice League. For one thing it was standalone, and it centered on Batman and a member of his rogues gallery which made it easier for newcomers to get in, owing to familiarity. The nature of the plot and its character driven nature of the plot also served as a good introduction to the group dynamics of the League.
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*** It doesn't help that Diana[[note]]And Mark Waid in the introduction to the Deluxe Edition[[/note]] ends up [[StatingTheSimpleSolution pointing out the]][[TakeAThirdOption obvious workaround to this]]; Batman should've just told them he was making plans but not actually telling them what they were, since this would solve the both the trust problem that all of the League had while keeping the plans secret so that they couldn't work around them.

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*** It doesn't help that Diana[[note]]And Mark Waid in the introduction to the Deluxe Edition[[/note]] ends up [[StatingTheSimpleSolution pointing out the]][[TakeAThirdOption the]] [[TakeAThirdOption obvious workaround to this]]; Batman should've just told them he was making plans but not actually telling them what they were, since this would solve the both the trust problem that all of the League had while keeping the plans secret so that they couldn't work around them.
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*** It doesn't help that Diana[[note]]And Mark Waid in the introduction to the Deluxe Edition[[/note]] ends up [[StatingTheSimpleSolution pointing out the]][[TakeAThirdOption obvious workaround to this]]; Batman should've just told them he was making plans but not actually telling them what they were, since this would solve the both the trust problem that all of the League had while keeping the plans secret so that they couldn't work around them.
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* ParanoiaFuel: The idea that someone you have known and trusted for so long has been doing things behind your back.

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* ParanoiaFuel: The idea that someone you have known and trusted for so long has been doing things behind your back.plotting how to neutralize you, in traumatic and possibly fatal ways.
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* AntiClimaxBoss: Once the Justice League survives the stolen contingency plans, Ra's Al Ghul and his followers, predictably, don't put up much of a fight. [[TropesAreTools This works in the story's favor]] since the real climax was the Justice League's debate on whether or not they should kick out Batman.


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* NightmareFuel: Batman's contingency plans for the Justice League. Even if they weren't designed to kill, they were put their targets through ColdBloodedTorture. Martian Manhunter being set on fire is especially bad because if he hadn't found a way to stop the fire it would have killed him.
* ParanoiaFuel: The idea that someone you have known and trusted for so long has been doing things behind your back.
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** Admittedly, this is ''because'' BothSidesHaveAPoint. The comics have had multiple evil Kryptonians, multiple evil speedsters, mind control, mind transfer -- even the League has to admit (and does) that having plans to take down someone with their powers isn't a ''bad'' thing. They can even understand that Batman couldn't have told them what he was doing, as they would have taken steps to counteract or alter their weaknesses, rendering the plans less useful. But in the end, despite there being good reasons, Batman still used and betrayed the confidence of his friends and allies. When a friend stabs you in the back, it hurts, no matter how good their reason may have been.
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* HarsherInHindsight: ''Tower of Babel'' was lucky enough to have the Justice League members rescued on time, because ''ComicBookk/DarkNightsMetal'' provides a scenario where an alternate universe Batman killed all members of the Justice League after being Jokerized by a purified version of the Joker toxin, essentially giving birth to the Batman Who Laughs.

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* HarsherInHindsight: ''Tower of Babel'' was lucky enough to have the Justice League members rescued on time, because ''ComicBookk/DarkNightsMetal'' ''ComicBook/DarkNightsMetal'' provides a scenario where an alternate universe Batman killed all members of the Justice League after being Jokerized by a purified version of the Joker toxin, essentially giving birth to the Batman Who Laughs.
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* HarsherInHindsight: ''Tower of Babel'' was lucky enough to have the Justice League members rescued on time, because ''ComicBookk/DarkNightsMetal'' provides a scenario where an alternate universe Batman killed all members of the Justice League after being Jokerized by a purified version of the Joker toxin, essentially giving birth to the Batman Who Laughs.

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* MisaimedFandom: This comic was intended by Mark Waid to subvert and correct Batman's CrazyPrepared attitude foisted on him by fans and creators. Instead it is celebrated and invoked as an example of Batman potentially being able to take down people outside his weight class. Furthermore fans often act as if this was a move of great courage and skill when Batman was able to do it because he used his friendship with fellow League members to get insight into their psychology and physical and technical weakpoints. It was more a case of low cunning than some great act of genius. Yet this comic inspired later takes on "the Batgod" when it was intended to criticize it and show what a terrible attitude this would be in a team.

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* GatewaySeries: This comic often served as the introduction for many newcomers to Justice League. For one thing it was standalone, and it centered on Batman and a member of his rogues gallery which made it easier for newcomers to get in, owing to familiarity. The nature of the plot and its character driven nature also served as a good introduction to the group dynamics of the League.
* MisaimedFandom: This comic was intended by Mark Waid to subvert and correct Batman's CrazyPrepared attitude foisted on him by fans and creators. Instead it is celebrated and invoked as an example of Batman potentially being able to take down people outside his weight class. Furthermore fans often act as if this was a move of great courage and skill when Batman was able to do it because he used his friendship with fellow League members to get insight into their psychology and physical and technical weakpoints. It was more a case of low cunning than some great act of genius. Yet this comic inspired later takes on "the Batgod" when it was intended to criticize it and show what a terrible attitude this would be in a team.team where some amount of trust and give-and-take is needed.
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* MisaimedFandom: This comic was intended by Mark Waid to subvert and correct Batman's CrazyPrepared attitude foisted on him by fans and creators. Instead it is celebrated and invoked as an example of Batman potentially being able to take down people outside his weight class. Furthermore fans often act as if this was a move of great courage and skill when Batman was able to do it because he used his friendship with fellow League members to get insight into their psychology and physical and technical weakpoints. It was more a case of low cunning than some great act of genius. Yet this comic inspired later takes on "the Batgod" when it was intended to criticize it and show what a terrible attitude this would be in a team.
* SignatureScene: The final issue of the arc where the League debate Batman's status is quite famous and well known. It was adapted into ''Starcrossed'' with Hawkgirl taking Batman's place for similar dramatic effect (and she also quits before hearing the judgment)[[note]]In her case Superman was going to break the tie and have her stay[[/note]].
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