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** [[FightSceneFailure The "fight" scenes.]] Enough said. One particular [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7U-72T67DQ example here.]]

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** [[FightSceneFailure The "fight" scenes.]] Enough said.scenes]] are underwhelming to say the least. One particular [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7U-72T67DQ example can be seen here.]]



** Danny’s ''first'' action in the series is showing up at the corporate building dressed as a hobo proceeding to ask receptionist if she can arrange a meeting with CEO for him, an attempt which goes as well as you could expect. Despite this, he may not really qualify for this trope because this behavior is not an isolated case but rather one of the many times when he acted without even attempting to [[WhatWereYouThinking think things through.]] Danny’s propensity to act on [[ATragedyofImpulsiveness impulse]] is repeatedly [[LampshadeHanging acknowledged]] by his allies and [[FlawExploitation exploited]] by his enemies.

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** Danny’s ''first'' action in the series is showing up at the corporate building dressed as a hobo proceeding to ask a receptionist if she can arrange a meeting with the CEO for him, an attempt which goes as well as you could expect. Despite this, he may not really qualify for this trope because this behavior is not an isolated case but rather one of the many times when he acted without even attempting to [[WhatWereYouThinking think things through.]] Danny’s propensity to act on [[ATragedyofImpulsiveness impulse]] is repeatedly [[LampshadeHanging acknowledged]] by his allies and [[FlawExploitation exploited]] by his enemies.



* SpoiledByTheFormat: Just like last season, the show tries its hardest to make us think everything's been wrapped up when there's still an entire episode to go, making it obvious some big twist is coming: [[spoiler:Colleen getting chi powers from Davos, and both her and Danny being able to harness chi through weapons like guns and katanas]].

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* SpoiledByTheFormat: Just like last season, the show tries its hardest to make us think everything's been wrapped up when there's still an entire episode to go, making it obvious some big twist is coming: [[spoiler:Colleen getting chi powers from Davos, and both her and Danny being able to harness chi through weapons like guns and katanas]].katana]].


* SugarWiki/SheReallyCanAct: Though Creator/AliceEve is a very capable actress, her most high profile role in the US was as the MsFanservice in ''Film/StarTrekIntoDarkness''. Here, seamlessly playing both the NiceGirl Mary and ruthless ActionGirl Walker earned her praise comparable to Creator/DavidTennant's Kilgrave, Creator/VincentDOnofrio's Wilson Fisk and the aforementioned Creator/JamesMcAvoy's Kevin Crumb. Eve can convincingly portray the precise moment of switching between two personalities entirely in facial expressions and body movements, to say nothing of vocal inflection. And both personalities come off as equally genuine, even though we meet Mary first and spend more screen time with Walker.

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* SugarWiki/SheReallyCanAct: Though Creator/AliceEve is a very capable actress, her most high profile role in the US was as the MsFanservice in ''Film/StarTrekIntoDarkness''. Here, seamlessly playing both the NiceGirl Mary and ruthless ActionGirl Walker earned her praise comparable to Creator/DavidTennant's Kilgrave, Creator/VincentDOnofrio's Wilson Fisk and the aforementioned Creator/JamesMcAvoy's [[Film/{{Split}} Kevin Crumb.Crumb]]. Eve can convincingly portray the precise moment of switching between two personalities entirely in facial expressions and body movements, to say nothing of vocal inflection. And both personalities come off as equally genuine, even though we meet Mary first and spend more screen time with Walker.


** Danny says he can drive without a license because he's rich. A week after the show's release, the first full trailer for ''Film/JusticeLeague'' had Bruce Wayne say being rich is his superpower, also in a car.

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** Danny says he can drive without a license because he's rich. A week after the show's release, the first full trailer for ''Film/JusticeLeague'' ''Film/JusticeLeague2017'' had Bruce Wayne say being rich is his superpower, also in a car.


* InternetBackdraft:
** Casting a white actor as Danny Rand managed to draw controversy, due to the MightyWhitey nature of the character, which is an especially sensitive topic in the context of the ongoing social discussion on cultural appropriation. This lead to a number of debates about whether or not comic accuracy trumps racial politics or whether change of Danny’s race would actually improve the show or turn the character into a MagicalAsian stereotype.
** The controversy over the casting even resulted in Finn Jones briefly quitting Twitter two weekends prior to the show's premiere, after he Tweeted an endorsement of Creator/RizAhmed's speech about the importance of minorities' media representation, and got into an argument with an Asian-American woman who accused Jones of hypocrisy -- accusations Jones tried to discredit by pointing out that she never saw an episode of the show before, and claiming that it had one of the most diverse casts of Marvel's pre-''Defenders'' Netflix shows.[[note]]In a way it was, featuring prominent actors of White, Asian, Black, Latino and Indian heritage.[[/note]]
** After the show's actual release fans turned on reviewers, and even sites like Rotten Tomatoes, as many found the show to be more than equal among the other ''Defenders'' titles. They felt these reviewers were biased and trying to please [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad social justice warriors,]] who hated the show just because Danny was white. Some have even accused the reviewers of anti-white racism. More reasonable fans though, felt that maybe reviewers either shouldn't be given early access or at least should evaluate the show in its entirety, since many fans admit the first six episodes are a bit weak and/or [[SlowPacedBeginning slow-paced.]]


* FandomBerserkButton: The name of the Hand's DrunkenMaster who nearly owns Danny in a fight is Zhou Cheng, not Joe Chang. Referring to him by the latter name is a good way of getting yourself flamed to a crisp on any Marvel-related discussion board.

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* FandomBerserkButton: FandomEnragingMisconception: The name of the Hand's DrunkenMaster who nearly owns Danny in a fight is Zhou Cheng, not Joe Chang. Referring to him by the latter name is a good way of getting yourself flamed to a crisp on any Marvel-related discussion board.


** Season 2 addresses the complaints about Danny Rand being a MightyWhitey head-on, revealing that [[spoiler:Danny's becoming the Iron Fist wasn't so much a case of his being a better martial artist than all of K'un-Lun as Davos's father rigging the fight where he and Davos battled for the right to face the dragon, thus meaning that ''anyone'' who had faced Davos would have won]]. It ends with [[spoiler:Danny ultimately realizing he did not deserve to be the Iron Fist and deciding to pass on his fist to Colleen Wing, who becomes the new Immortal Iron Fist (like many people clamored in the first season).]]

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** Season 2 addresses the complaints about Danny Rand being a MightyWhitey head-on, revealing that [[spoiler:Danny's becoming the Iron Fist wasn't so much a case of his being a better martial artist than all of K'un-Lun as Davos's father rigging calling the fight where he and Davos battled for the right to face the dragon, thus meaning that ''anyone'' who had faced dragon early, without Davos would have won]].yielding]]. It ends with [[spoiler:Danny ultimately realizing he did not deserve to be the Iron Fist and deciding to pass on his fist to Colleen Wing, who becomes the new Immortal Iron Fist (like many people clamored in the first season).]]


** Season 2 addresses the complaints about Danny Rand being a MightyWhitey head-on, revealing that [[spoiler:Danny's becoming the Iron Fist wasn't so much a case of his being a better martial artist than all of K'un-Lun as Davos's father rigging the fight where he and Davos battled for the right to face the dragon, thus meaning that ''anyone'' who had faced Davos would have won]]. It ends with [[spoiler:Danny ultimately realizing he did not deserve to be the Iron Fist and deciding to pass on his fist to Colleen Wing, who becomes the new Immortal Iron Fist (like many people clamoured in the first season).]]

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** Season 2 addresses the complaints about Danny Rand being a MightyWhitey head-on, revealing that [[spoiler:Danny's becoming the Iron Fist wasn't so much a case of his being a better martial artist than all of K'un-Lun as Davos's father rigging the fight where he and Davos battled for the right to face the dragon, thus meaning that ''anyone'' who had faced Davos would have won]]. It ends with [[spoiler:Danny ultimately realizing he did not deserve to be the Iron Fist and deciding to pass on his fist to Colleen Wing, who becomes the new Immortal Iron Fist (like many people clamoured clamored in the first season).]]


* EnsembleDarkHorse: Mary Walker. Already a fan favorite from the comic, here Mary was played to perfection by the talented Creator/AliceEve who managed to effectively play two contrasting roles. Even more impressive is that each alter is a RoundedCharacter with different motivations and is not defined by their relationships to each other. Both reviewers and fans are clamoring for more of Mary in season 3 and looking forward to the inevitable debut of Bloody Mary.

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* EnsembleDarkHorse: Mary Walker. Already a fan favorite from the comic, here Mary was played to perfection by the talented Creator/AliceEve who managed to effectively play two contrasting roles. Even more impressive is that each alter is a RoundedCharacter with different motivations and is not defined by their relationships to each other. Both Prior to news of the series' cancellation, both reviewers and fans are were clamoring for more of Mary in season 3 and looking forward to the inevitable debut of Bloody Mary.


** Early reviews show this trope hitting hard, with favorable write-ups only considering it SoOkayItsAverage at best and the more savage critics calling the show a break to Marvel's trend of highly-acclaimed Netflix adaptations in their Cinematic Universe. At Webstite/RottenTomatoes, it's the first MCU property to earn a Rotten score[[note]][[https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/marvel_s_iron_fist/s01/ 18%]] as of this writing[[/note]].

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** Early reviews show this trope hitting hard, with favorable write-ups only considering it SoOkayItsAverage at best and the more savage critics calling the show a break to Marvel's trend of highly-acclaimed Netflix adaptations in their Cinematic Universe. At Webstite/RottenTomatoes, Website/RottenTomatoes, it's the first MCU property to earn a Rotten score[[note]][[https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/marvel_s_iron_fist/s01/ 18%]] as of this writing[[/note]].


* HoYay: Danny and Ward get a lot of this during this season, especially during the [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming heartwarming scene]] in episode 5 where Ward tends to Danny after he's injured and they have a long heart-to-heart talk that ends with them basically admitting they love each other. They now refer to each other as their brother, just like Danny does with Davos (whom he also had quite a bit of HoYay with last season), and at the end of the season, [[spoiler:they end up WalkingTheEarth together when Danny persuades Ward to join him in a journey of self-discovery]].

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* HoYay: Danny and Ward get a lot of this during this season, especially during the [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming heartwarming scene]] SugarWiki/{{heartwarming|Moments}} scene in episode 5 where Ward tends to Danny after he's injured and they have a long heart-to-heart talk that ends with them basically admitting they love each other. They now refer to each other as their brother, just like Danny does with Davos (whom he also had quite a bit of HoYay with last season), and at the end of the season, [[spoiler:they end up WalkingTheEarth together when Danny persuades Ward to join him in a journey of self-discovery]].

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* EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Then there's the [[spoiler:DrunkenMaster]] Zhou Cheng who Danny fights, distinguished not only by his amusing personality but by being one of the few Hand members to not only nearly win against Danny, but show a degree of honor while doing it, something his [[KnifeNut compatriots]] were [[PoisonedWeapons clearly]] [[KickThemWhileTheyAreDown lacking.]]
** Scythe is also very memorable due his introductory scene being [[CrazyAwesome strangling a man with a microphone while singing karaoke]] (of "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djV11Xbc914 Take on Me]]" [[SoundtrackDissonance no less]]) as well as being a badass Hand warrior with a snide sense of humor who nearly matches Danny in combat.


* CounterpartComparison:
** Danny Rand has been compared to ''Series/{{Arrow}}'''s titular character ever since the first trailer aired due to the extremely similar upbringing (white billionaires' heirs thought to be killed during the accident that killed their parents returns the save their city after training with mysterious Chinese men).
** There's also the inevitable Bruce Wayne (in ''Film/BatmanBegins'') and [[Film/DoctorStrange2016 Stephen Strange]] comparisons. In the case of Bruce Wayne, they're both white billionaires who spend years training in the mountains under the tutelage of mystic Asians, then return to their city to reclaim their birthright and save the city. In the case of Stephen Strange, they're both white men who study mystic martial arts and become [[MightyWhitey masters of the craft above their Asian peers.]]
** Zhou Chen has uncanny similarities to Scaramouche the Merciless from ''WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack''[[note]]whose [[SamuraiJack/TropesSeason5 fifth season]] premiered six days prior to ''IF'''s[[/note]]. Both are villains working for the BigBad whom the hero encounters. The hero (as well as the audience) thinks said villains are going to be minced meat at first glance, before showing off their abilities (Chen [[spoiler:fighting drunk]], Scramouche controlling objects with music) and give a rather impressive battle before eventually being defeated.
** Harold Meachum with [[Series/{{Arrow}} Malcolm Merlyn]]. The CorruptCorporateExecutive and father of the hero's friends, who was secretly the BigBad.
* EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Then there's the [[spoiler:DrunkenMaster]] Zhou Cheng who Danny fights, distinguished not only by his amusing personality but by being one of the few Hand members to not only nearly win against Danny, but show a degree of honor while doing it, something his [[KnifeNut compatriots]] were [[PoisonedWeapons clearly]] [[KickThemWhileTheyAreDown lacking.]]
** Scythe is also very memorable due his introductory scene being [[CrazyAwesome strangling a man with a microphone while singing karaoke]] (of "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djV11Xbc914 Take on Me]]" [[SoundtrackDissonance no less]]) as well as being a badass Hand warrior with a snide sense of humor who nearly matches Danny in combat.



* CounterpartComparison: Mary Walker draws comparison to Kevin from ''Film/{{Split}}'' as both are multi-personality super people with a dark super identity they have trouble controlling. Doesn't help that ''Iron Fist'' season 2 was revealed at San Diego Comic-Con 2018 alongside ''Split'''s sequel ''[[Film/Glass2019 Glass]]''. Others have compared her to [[Series/{{Legion}} David Haller]] for much the same reasons.


* [[SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct She Really Can Act]]: Though Creator/AliceEve is a very capable actress, her most high profile role in the US was as the MsFanservice in ''Film/StarTrekIntoDarkness''. Here, seamlessly playing both the NiceGirl Mary and ruthless ActionGirl Walker earned her praise comparable to Creator/DavidTennant's Kilgrave, Creator/VincentDOnofrio's Wilson Fisk and the aforementioned Creator/JamesMcAvoy's Kevin Crumb. Eve can convincingly portray the precise moment of switching between two personalities entirely in facial expressions and body movements, to say nothing of vocal inflection. And both personalities come off as equally genuine, even though we meet Mary first and spend more screen time with Walker.

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* [[SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct She Really Can Act]]: SugarWiki/SheReallyCanAct: Though Creator/AliceEve is a very capable actress, her most high profile role in the US was as the MsFanservice in ''Film/StarTrekIntoDarkness''. Here, seamlessly playing both the NiceGirl Mary and ruthless ActionGirl Walker earned her praise comparable to Creator/DavidTennant's Kilgrave, Creator/VincentDOnofrio's Wilson Fisk and the aforementioned Creator/JamesMcAvoy's Kevin Crumb. Eve can convincingly portray the precise moment of switching between two personalities entirely in facial expressions and body movements, to say nothing of vocal inflection. And both personalities come off as equally genuine, even though we meet Mary first and spend more screen time with Walker.



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Joy can come off like this to a few. While she has every right to be angry with Danny and Ward lying about her father being alive (despite it being for her own protection), blaming them, specifically Danny, for ruining her seems a bit much, especially when ''her father'' was the one who insisted on the secret and Ward suffered much more than she did because of it. She also seems to try to avoid taking responsibility for Davos' actions [[spoiler: once he steals the Iron Fist from Danny]]. Fortunately, she gets her fair share of a ReasonYouSuckSpeech from Ward, shows visible signs of regret when she sees the video of Danny suffering, and ultimately resolves to try to retrieve the bowl from Davos with help from BB.


* WTHCostumingDepartment: Season 2 meets the fans' demand to see a comics-accurate Iron Fist mask by having it be worn as a ceremonial mask for the flashback fight between Danny and Davos...and it looks kinda like a cheap Halloween costume. It even got some accusations of being a TakeThatAudience, deliberately made to look bad after the crew got so annoyed at the constant complaining about it.

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* WTHCostumingDepartment: Season 2 meets the fans' demand to see a comics-accurate Iron Fist mask by having it be worn as a ceremonial mask for the flashback fight between Danny and Davos... and it looks kinda like a cheap Halloween costume. It even got some accusations of being a TakeThatAudience, deliberately made to look bad after the crew got so annoyed at the constant complaining about it.


* TrappedByMountainLions: Ward's subplot where he joins an NA meeting group [[spoiler: and impregnates the sponsor]] doesn't contribute to the main storyline in any fashion. Also a ShaggyDogStory because [[spoiler: Bethany decides to raise the child on her own and Ward joins Danny in his journey across the world.]]
** [[https://screenrant.com/iron-fist-season-2-better-marvel-netflix-show/ This article]] however complimented Ward's plotline as it thematically linked Ward's battle with his addiction and inner demon and Danny's own struggles. This would culminate in their Heartwarming talk while Ward took care of Danny, and his decision to go along with Danny's self discovery journey, which ties back to a remark he made to Joy in season 1 about starting over.

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