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* BaseBreaker: Chizuru, because she's a regular DamselInDistress with timid, unconfident dialogue despite being the Player Character. On one hand, Chizuru is a proactive woman by Imperial Japanese standards who goes out of her way to search for her missing dad and support her love interests. Male characters outright tell Chizuru to stay out of fighting and important events because she is a girl, and they don't seem to mind that they have to protect her. On the other hand, Chizuru is a demon with superhealing and at least one instance of superspeed. Suffice it to say that her powers are ''incredibly'' underutilized.
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* BaseBreaker: Chizuru, because Chizuru is an ongoing source of disagreement and debate within the fandom. Many fans feel that she's too weak and passive a regular DamselInDistress PlayerCharacter who spends too much of the game playing the role of DamselInDistress, and that her demon powers provide her character with timid, unconfident dialogue despite being potential which is criminally underused; others feel that her serving as emotional support to the Player Character. On one hand, Chizuru Shinsengumi is an equally valid form of strength, pointing out that dressing as a boy, striking out on her own in search of her father, and hanging out with the Shinsengumi make her a very proactive woman by Imperial Japanese the standards who goes out of her way to search for her missing dad and support her love interests. Male characters outright tell Chizuru to stay out of fighting and important events because she is a girl, and they don't seem to mind that they have to protect her. On the other hand, Chizuru is a demon with superhealing and at least one instance of superspeed. Suffice it to say that her powers are ''incredibly'' underutilized.time period.
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*** In that very same route, Sanosuke kept telling her he wants to protect her and keep her from shedding blood. Likewise in the other routes, where most of the guys just tell her to keep back and let the professionals do their job. By the time she fully understands her demon powers, we only got a year left in the war, a war she doesn't want a part of, and you're expecting her to train in two weeks to reach the level of fighting efficiently in a war that not even the shogunate army was prepared for, and we have to consider Chizuru's character, since from the very beginning, she doesn't like to hurt people. That's three valid reasons for her to not fight. Context is very important, when it comes to setting, plot, and character.
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*** In that very same route, Sanosuke kept telling her he wants to protect her and keep her from shedding blood. Likewise in the other routes, where most of the guys just tell her to keep back and let the professionals [[MasterSwordsman professionals]] do their job. By the time she fully understands her demon powers, we only got a year left in the war, a war she doesn't want a part of, and you're expecting her to train in two weeks to reach the level of fighting efficiently in a war that not even the shogunate army was prepared for, and we have to consider Chizuru's character, since from the very beginning, [[TechnicalPacifist she doesn't like to hurt people.people]]. That's three valid reasons for her to not fight. Context is very important, when it comes to setting, plot, and character.
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***In that very same route, Sanosuke kept telling her he wants to protect her and keep her from shedding blood. Likewise in the other routes, where most of the guys just tell her to keep back and let the professionals do their job. By the time she fully understands her demon powers, we only got a year left in the war, a war she doesn't want a part of, and you're expecting her to train in two weeks to reach the level of fighting efficiently in a war that not even the shogunate army was prepared for, and we have to consider Chizuru's character, since from the very beginning, she doesn't like to hurt people. That's three valid reasons for her to not fight. Context is very important, when it comes to setting, plot, and character.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForLittleGirls: After all the pain and suffering, one finds it hard to believe that Hakuouki is marketed as a RomanceGame.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForLittleGirls: After all the pain and suffering, one finds it hard to believe that Hakuouki ''Hakuouki'' is marketed as a RomanceGame.RomanceGame.
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* BaseBreaker: Chizuru, because she's a regular DamselInDistress with timid, unconfident dialogue despite being the Player Character. On one hand, Chizuru is a proactive woman by Imperial Japanese standards who goes out of her way to search for her missing dad and support her love interests. Male characters outright tell Chizuru to stay out of fighting and important events because she is a girl, and they don't seem to mind that they have to protect her. On the other hand, Chizuru is a demon with superhealing and at least one instance of superspeed. Suffice it to say that her powers are ''incredibly'' underutilized.
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** Lampshaded and deconstructed in Chapter 4 of Sanosuke's route, when Shiranui starts shooting at Chizuru. She surprises herself by instinctively using superspeed to dodge a bullet, without realizing she had that power. Shiranui points out that as a demon, Chizuru doesn't have to abide by human cultural standards and could become a powerful fighter if she tried to train her demon superpowers. [[IgnoredEpiphany She never does.]]
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForLittleGirls: After all the pain and suffering, one finds it hard to believe that Hakuouki is just a RomanceGame.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForLittleGirls: After all the pain and suffering, one finds it hard to believe that Hakuouki is just marketed as a RomanceGame.
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* DamselScrappy: Chizuru.
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* DamselScrappy: Chizuru.Chizuru, to many.
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* IdiotBall: Chizuru in spades. She always wants to stay with the Shinsengumi despite the danger and all of the other options presented to her. It's implied that she wants to stay to help and protect the one she loves, but really it only results in the guys dying or getting hurt in her stead. It's incredibly frustrating to see Chizuru attempting to sacrifice herself for the Shinsengumi over and over again only to have them protect her in the end. This gets worse when we learn that she is an Oni, meaning that it would be harder to kill her than the guys in the first place.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Kazama has a not-inconsiderable fangirl following, in spite of the looming threat of rape he represents in the common route and the fact that he's the main villain of Hijikata and Saito's routes and the cause of several bad ends in others.
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* DamselScrappy: Chizuru.
* DracoInLeatherPants: Kazama has a not-inconsiderable fangirl following, in spite of the looming threat of rape he represents in the common route and the fact that he's the main villainof in Hijikata and Saito's routes and the cause of several bad ends in others.
* DracoInLeatherPants: Kazama has a not-inconsiderable fangirl following, in spite of the looming threat of rape he represents in the common route and the fact that he's the main villain
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* PeripheryDemographic: Two groups. The male fanbase who are here for the sword and history and the {{Yaoi Fangirl}}s who ignore Chizuru and ship the Shinsengumi with each other instead. (Or who TakeAThirdOption via slashing their favorite guys and stashing Chizuru [[ShipMates with one who's not in their main yaoi ships]].)
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* IdiotBall: Chizuru in spades. She always wants to stay with the Shinsengumi despite the danger and all of the other options presented to her. It's implied that she wants to stay to help and protect the one she loves, but really it only results in the guys dying or getting hurt in her stead. It's incredibly frustrating to see Chizuru attempting to sacrifice herself for the Shinsengumi over and over again only to have them protect her in the end. This gets worse when we learn that she is an Oni, meaning that it would be harder to kill her than the guys in the first place.
* PeripheryDemographic: Two groups. The male fanbase who are here for the sword and history and the {{Yaoi Fangirl}}s who ignore Chizuru and ship the Shinsengumi with each other instead. (Or who TakeAThirdOption via slashing their favorite guys andstashing stuffing Chizuru [[ShipMates with one who's not in their main yaoi ships]].)
* PeripheryDemographic: Two groups. The male fanbase who are here for the sword and history and the {{Yaoi Fangirl}}s who ignore Chizuru and ship the Shinsengumi with each other instead. (Or who TakeAThirdOption via slashing their favorite guys and
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* ValuesDissonance: Poor Chizuru is called weak, stupid, slut and FauxActionGirl for not fighting... and the people who bash her "conveniently" forget that, well, this story is set in what would soon become ''ImperialJapan''. If gender roles have evolved slower in Japan than in other parts of the world, imagine how more rigid they were back then. Please make some contextualization before judging a girl who lives in an historical moment with ''completely different values'' from those we have now.
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* TheWoobie: Pretty much everyone in the show. This is a story about the [[TragicHero Shinsengumi]] we're talking about after all.
** IronWoobie: Hijikata, Okita, and Heisuke.
** StoicWoobie: Saitou.
* ValuesDissonance: Poor Chizuru is called weak, stupid, slut and FauxActionGirl for not fighting... and the people who bash her "conveniently" forget that, well, this story is set in what would soon become ''ImperialJapan''. If gender roles have evolved slower in Japan than in other parts of the world, imagine how more rigid they were back then. Please make some contextualization before judging a girl who lives in an historical moment with ''completely different values'' from those we havenow.now.
* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForLittleGirls: After all the pain and suffering, one finds it hard to believe that Hakuouki is just a RomanceGame.
** IronWoobie: Hijikata, Okita, and Heisuke.
** StoicWoobie: Saitou.
* ValuesDissonance: Poor Chizuru is called weak, stupid, slut and FauxActionGirl for not fighting... and the people who bash her "conveniently" forget that, well, this story is set in what would soon become ''ImperialJapan''. If gender roles have evolved slower in Japan than in other parts of the world, imagine how more rigid they were back then. Please make some contextualization before judging a girl who lives in an historical moment with ''completely different values'' from those we have
* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForLittleGirls: After all the pain and suffering, one finds it hard to believe that Hakuouki is just a RomanceGame.
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* RomanticPlotTumor: [[AvertedTrope Surprisingly averted]] in the anime, considering its RomanceGame origin. Hijikata and Chizuru don't become an OfficialCouple till the second-to-last episode, and the plot just marches right on after that and kicks the romance aside.
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* RomanticPlotTumor: [[AvertedTrope Surprisingly averted]] in the anime, considering its RomanceGame origin. Hijikata and Chizuru don't become an OfficialCouple till until the second-to-last episode, and the plot just marches right on after that and kicks the romance aside.
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* RomanticPlotTumor: [[AvertedTrope Surprisingly averted]] in the anime considering it's RomanceGame origin. Hijikata and Chizuru didn't become an OfficialCouple till the second-to-last episode and the plot just marched right on after that and kicked the romance aside.
** As a trooper said before "it's a romance anime without romance, how cool is that!".
** As a trooper said before "it's a romance anime without romance, how cool is that!".
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* RomanticPlotTumor: [[AvertedTrope Surprisingly averted]] in the anime anime, considering it's its RomanceGame origin. Hijikata and Chizuru didn't don't become an OfficialCouple till the second-to-last episode episode, and the plot just marched marches right on after that and kicked kicks the romance aside.
** As atrooper troper said before "it's before, "It's a romance anime without romance, how cool is that!".
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Kazama has a not-inconsiderable fangirl following, in spite of the looming threat of rape he represents in the common route and the fact that he's the main villain of Hijikata and Saito's routes, not to mention being the cause of several bad ends in other routes.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Kazama has a not-inconsiderable fangirl following, in spite of the looming threat of rape he represents in the common route and the fact that he's the main villain of Hijikata and Saito's routes, not to mention being routes and the cause of several bad ends in other routes.others.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Kazama has a not-inconsiderable fangirl following, in spite of the looming threat of rape he represents in the common route and the fact that he's the main villain of Hijikata and Saito's routes, not to mention being the cause of several bad ends in other routes.
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** Here's a fun game: Ask how many fans wish Yamazaki had his own route.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse:
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** Hajime in the Japanese fandom.
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** As a trooper said before "it's a romance anime without romance, how cool is that!".
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* PeripheryDemographic: Two groups. The male fanbase who are here for the sword and history and the {{Yaoi Fangirl}}s who ignore Chizuru and ship the Shinsengumi with each other instead.
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* PeripheryDemographic: Two groups. The male fanbase who are here for the sword and history and the {{Yaoi Fangirl}}s who ignore Chizuru and ship the Shinsengumi with each other instead. (Or who TakeAThirdOption via slashing their favorite guys and stashing Chizuru [[ShipMates with one who's not in their main yaoi ships]].)
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* ValuesDissonance: Poor Chizuru is called weak, stupid, and FauxActionGirl for not fighting... and the people who bash her "conveniently" forget that, well, this story is set in what would soon become ''ImperialJapan''. If gender roles have evolved slower in Japan than in other parts of the world, imagine how more rigid they were back then. Please make some contextualization before judging a girl who lives in an historical moment with ''completely different values'' from those we have now.
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* ValuesDissonance: Poor Chizuru is called weak, stupid, slut and FauxActionGirl for not fighting... and the people who bash her "conveniently" forget that, well, this story is set in what would soon become ''ImperialJapan''. If gender roles have evolved slower in Japan than in other parts of the world, imagine how more rigid they were back then. Please make some contextualization before judging a girl who lives in an historical moment with ''completely different values'' from those we have now.
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* FoeYay: Probably unintentional but [[http://randomc.net/image/Hakuouki/Hakuouki%20Hekketsuroku%20-%20ED%20-%20Large%2003.jpg this]] picture from the second season ED
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** In the game's prologue sequence, after Chizuru speaks up for the first time to thank the Shinsengumi for saving her, Saito is surprised, Okita is amused, and Hijikata looks suddenly awkward - reactions which make much more sense once you know that this is the moment all three of them realize she's a girl.
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* FridgeBrilliance: For all the criticism Chizuru catches for having to be protected so much by the Shinsengumi, the captains' attitudes towards protecting her [[{{Foreshadowing}} foreshadow]] their attitudes toward the shogunate and the Boshin War - in both cases, having committed to the course of action, they refuse to be swayed from it even though they know it puts them at a disadvantage and may get them killed.
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* PeripheryDemographic: Two groups. The male fanbase who are here for the sword and history and the {{YaoiFangirl}}s who ignore Chizuru and ship the Shinsengumis with each other instead.
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* PeripheryDemographic: Two groups. The male fanbase who are here for the sword and history and the {{YaoiFangirl}}s {{Yaoi Fangirl}}s who ignore Chizuru and ship the Shinsengumis Shinsengumi with each other instead.
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* TearJerker: Hijikata's speech in episode 16 [[spoiler: after Kondou was taken by the enemy]].
** Episode 18 starts badly with [[spoiler:a flashback of Kondou being executed]], follows with [[spoiler: Harada dying from a wound he sustained in a battle against Koudou]] and tops it off with [[spoiler: Okita's HeroicSacrifice as he uses up his life force to defend Hijikata from an assassin squad... Hijikata gets wind of what he's doing and, still badly injured, limps painfully out of town towards the spot, but by the time he gets there the only thing left is a bunch of dead bodies and Okita's sword]].
** The final bad ending in Okita's route of the game: [[spoiler:he takes a mortal blow protecting Chizuru from Kaora, and dies in her arms, regretfully lamenting that he's leaving her alone]].
** Episode 18 starts badly with [[spoiler:a flashback of Kondou being executed]], follows with [[spoiler: Harada dying from a wound he sustained in a battle against Koudou]] and tops it off with [[spoiler: Okita's HeroicSacrifice as he uses up his life force to defend Hijikata from an assassin squad... Hijikata gets wind of what he's doing and, still badly injured, limps painfully out of town towards the spot, but by the time he gets there the only thing left is a bunch of dead bodies and Okita's sword]].
** The final bad ending in Okita's route of the game: [[spoiler:he takes a mortal blow protecting Chizuru from Kaora, and dies in her arms, regretfully lamenting that he's leaving her alone]].
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* HoYay: Inevitable in a CastFullOfPrettyBoys; Okita's idolization of Kondou is a particularly notable example, and there's a ''lot'' of it between Saito and Hijikata in the drama [=CDs=] and other bonus material, to the point that Okita is able to bribe Saito to turn a blind eye to the fact that he's lost a uniform by giving him Hijikata's book of poetry (with some indications that he's used the medicine made by Hijikata's family as a similar bribe in the past).
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** The bad ending in Okita's route of the game: [[spoiler:he takes a mortal blow protecting Chizuru from Kaora, and dies in her arms, regretfully lamenting that he's leaving her alone]].
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** The final bad ending in Okita's route of the game: [[spoiler:he takes a mortal blow protecting Chizuru from Kaora, and dies in her arms, regretfully lamenting that he's leaving her alone]].
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** Episode 18 starts badly with [[spoiler:a flashback of Kondou being executed]], follows with [[spoiler: Harada dying from a wound he sustained in a battle against Koudou]] and tops it off with [[spoiler: Okita's HeroicSacrifice as he uses up his life force to defend a wounded Hijikata from an assassin squad...then crumbles into dust]].
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** Episode 18 starts badly with [[spoiler:a flashback of Kondou being executed]], follows with [[spoiler: Harada dying from a wound he sustained in a battle against Koudou]] and tops it off with [[spoiler: Okita's HeroicSacrifice as he uses up his life force to defend a wounded Hijikata from an assassin squad...then crumbles into dust]]. squad... Hijikata gets wind of what he's doing and, still badly injured, limps painfully out of town towards the spot, but by the time he gets there the only thing left is a bunch of dead bodies and Okita's sword]].
** The bad ending in Okita's route of the game: [[spoiler:he takes a mortal blow protecting Chizuru from Kaora, and dies in her arms, regretfully lamenting that he's leaving her alone]].
** The bad ending in Okita's route of the game: [[spoiler:he takes a mortal blow protecting Chizuru from Kaora, and dies in her arms, regretfully lamenting that he's leaving her alone]].
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Here's a fun game: Ask many fans wish Yamazaki had his own route.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Here's a fun game: Ask many fans wish Yamazaki had his ownroute.route.
**Hajime in the Japanese fandom.
* FoeYay: Probably unintentional but [[http://randomc.net/image/Hakuouki/Hakuouki%20Hekketsuroku%20-%20ED%20-%20Large%2003.jpg this]] picture from the second season ED
* PeripheryDemographic: Two groups. The male fanbase who are here for the sword and history and the {{YaoiFangirl}}s who ignore Chizuru and ship the Shinsengumis with each other instead.
* RomanticPlotTumor: [[AvertedTrope Surprisingly averted]] in the anime considering it's RomanceGame origin. Hijikata and Chizuru didn't become an OfficialCouple till the second-to-last episode and the plot just marched right on after that and kicked the romance aside.
** Here's a fun game: Ask many fans wish Yamazaki had his own
**Hajime in the Japanese fandom.
* FoeYay: Probably unintentional but [[http://randomc.net/image/Hakuouki/Hakuouki%20Hekketsuroku%20-%20ED%20-%20Large%2003.jpg this]] picture from the second season ED
* PeripheryDemographic: Two groups. The male fanbase who are here for the sword and history and the {{YaoiFangirl}}s who ignore Chizuru and ship the Shinsengumis with each other instead.
* RomanticPlotTumor: [[AvertedTrope Surprisingly averted]] in the anime considering it's RomanceGame origin. Hijikata and Chizuru didn't become an OfficialCouple till the second-to-last episode and the plot just marched right on after that and kicked the romance aside.
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* TearJerker: Hijikata's speech in episode 16 [[spoiler: after Kondou was taken by the enemy]].
** Episode 18 starts badly with [[spoiler:a flashback of Kondou being executed]], follows with [[spoiler: Harada dying from a wound he sustained in a battle against Koudou]] and tops it off with [[spoiler: Okita's HeroicSacrifice as he uses up his life force to defend a wounded Hijikata from an assassin squad...then crumbles into dust]].
** Episode 18 starts badly with [[spoiler:a flashback of Kondou being executed]], follows with [[spoiler: Harada dying from a wound he sustained in a battle against Koudou]] and tops it off with [[spoiler: Okita's HeroicSacrifice as he uses up his life force to defend a wounded Hijikata from an assassin squad...then crumbles into dust]].
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* TheScrappy: Poor [[TheChick Chizuru]] is this to quite a lot of people.
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* TheScrappy: Poor [[TheChick Chizuru]] is this to quite a lot of people.people.
* ValuesDissonance: Poor Chizuru is called weak, stupid, and FauxActionGirl for not fighting... and the people who bash her "conveniently" forget that, well, this story is set in what would soon become ''ImperialJapan''. If gender roles have evolved slower in Japan than in other parts of the world, imagine how more rigid they were back then. Please make some contextualization before judging a girl who lives in an historical moment with ''completely different values'' from those we have now.
* ValuesDissonance: Poor Chizuru is called weak, stupid, and FauxActionGirl for not fighting... and the people who bash her "conveniently" forget that, well, this story is set in what would soon become ''ImperialJapan''. If gender roles have evolved slower in Japan than in other parts of the world, imagine how more rigid they were back then. Please make some contextualization before judging a girl who lives in an historical moment with ''completely different values'' from those we have now.
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* TheScrappy: Poor [[TheChick Chizuru]] is this to quite a lot of people, probably not helped by the fact that [[FauxActionGirl she never uses the sword she carries.]]
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* TheScrappy: Poor [[TheChick Chizuru]] is this to quite a lot of people, probably not helped by the fact that [[FauxActionGirl she never uses the sword she carries.]]