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** The Apollo 10 crew believes they could have made a landing, as their LEM's safety margins were just a bit narrower than Apollo 11's Eagle. In fact, Eagle did come hair-raisingly close to running out of fuel even with that advantage so there's no way they could have done it.

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** The Apollo 10 crew believes they could have made a landing, as their LEM's safety margins were just a bit narrower than Apollo 11's Eagle. In fact, Eagle did come hair-raisingly close to running out of fuel even with that advantage so there's no way they could have done it. [[note]]At least IRL, the Apollo 10 LM Snoopy was heavier than Apollo 11's, but the descent stage had fuel to compensate for this, and could've landed. The ascent stage (with its own fuel) was under-fueled due to complex mission requirements (and *not* to ensure they didn't try to land, as is popularly understood). An Apollo 10 landing would've been extremely risky on the ascent half, and likely would've required even more help from the CSM than usual, but it probably wasn't impossible.[[/note]]

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Unlike his brother Danny, who is firmly TheScrappy, Jimmy is either regarded as a sympathetic JerkassWoobie or equally insufferable.



* JerkassWoobie: [[spoiler:Danny Stevens' descent into alcoholism and drug addiction]] in season 3 is pretty difficult to watch, and one can't help but feel sorry for him even as becomes increasingly violent and irritable towards his crewmates. It's made especially clear in "The Sands of Ares", when [[spoiler:Danny -- in the throes of a DespairEventHorizon -- viciously blames Ed for Shane's death, only to later apologize and confess that he actually blames ''himself'' and has spent his whole life trying to make up for what happened... which has only made things worse for everyone]].

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** Ed. He's surly and at times selfish, but goes through so much trauma it's hard not to sympathize with him.
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[[spoiler:Danny Stevens' descent into alcoholism and drug addiction]] in season 3 is pretty difficult to watch, and one can't help but feel sorry for him even as becomes increasingly violent and irritable towards his crewmates. It's made especially clear in "The Sands of Ares", when [[spoiler:Danny -- in the throes of a DespairEventHorizon -- viciously blames Ed for Shane's death, only to later apologize and confess that he actually blames ''himself'' and has spent his whole life trying to make up for what happened... which has only made things worse for everyone]].everyone]].
** Jimmy. He participates in domestic terrorism, but he's also a naive, lonely, and traumatized orphan who was manipulated and radicalized by people who saw he was vulnerable and exploited it.
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** Double Decker Cheeseburgers [[labelnote: Explanation '''(SPOILERS!)''']]"Home again" has Gene Kranz and a pad worker meeting with the crew of Apollo 23 prior to launch before fixing the Saturn V's SI-C actuator. Whilst leaving the pad, Gene Kranz asks "Do they still have those double decker cheeseburgers-" [[WhamShot right before being cutoff by the Saturn V exploding.]] Since then, the phrase "double decker cheeseburger" has been used as a bad omen in the fandom, especially in Season 4 when Sergei is assassinated right before taking a bite out of a Big Mac.[[/labelnote]]

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** Double Decker Cheeseburgers [[labelnote: Explanation '''(SPOILERS!)''']]"Home again" Again" has Gene Kranz and a pad worker meeting with the crew of Apollo 23 prior to launch before fixing the Saturn V's SI-C actuator. Whilst leaving the pad, Gene Kranz asks "Do they still have those double decker cheeseburgers-" [[WhamShot right before being cutoff by the Saturn V exploding.]] Since then, the phrase "double decker cheeseburger" has been used as a bad omen in the fandom, especially in Season 4 when Sergei is assassinated right before taking a bite out of a Big Mac.[[/labelnote]]
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** Double Decker Cheese Burger [[labelnote: Explanation '''(SPOILERS!)''']]"Home again" has Gene Kranz and a pad worker meeting with the crew of Apollo 23 prior to launch before fixing the Saturn V's SI-C actuator. Whilst leaving the pad, Gene Kranz asks "Do they still have those double decker cheeseburgers-" [[WhamShot right before being cutoff by the Saturn V exploding.]] Since then, the phrase "double decker cheeseburger" has been used as a bad omen in the fandom, especially in Season 4 when Sergei is assassinated right before taking a bite out of a Big Mac.[[/labelnote]]

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** Double Decker Cheese Burger Cheeseburgers [[labelnote: Explanation '''(SPOILERS!)''']]"Home again" has Gene Kranz and a pad worker meeting with the crew of Apollo 23 prior to launch before fixing the Saturn V's SI-C actuator. Whilst leaving the pad, Gene Kranz asks "Do they still have those double decker cheeseburgers-" [[WhamShot right before being cutoff by the Saturn V exploding.]] Since then, the phrase "double decker cheeseburger" has been used as a bad omen in the fandom, especially in Season 4 when Sergei is assassinated right before taking a bite out of a Big Mac.[[/labelnote]]
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**The giant clunky fax machine in Jamestown had a [[https://oldbytes.space/@kenshirriff/112124283096167861 similarly massive sibling OTL on the Shuttle]].
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Retired Canadian astronaut Chris Hadfield has gone on record to say that while the series' AlternateHistory premise is inherently interesting, he has found the execution of that premise to be "sort-of cartoonish" in some areas -- more specifically, he has [[https://youtu.be/BkoMHhu0P9Y criticized]] the moment in [[Recap/ForAllMankindS02E08AndHeresToYou "And Here's to You"]] where Tracy shoots one of the cosmonauts to be favoring RuleOfDrama over exploring the actual consequences that would come from a rivalry between groups of Soviet and American astronauts, noting that the astronauts and marines would have realistically [[CrazyPrepared been made to study Russian in advance]] ''long'' before going to the moon (thus negating the PoorCommunicationKills that occurs in the episode), along with how they would've been rational enough to not shoot a cosmonaut [[ShootHimHeHasAWallet on a whim]]. %%Feel free to move this text somewhere else if needed

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Retired Canadian astronaut Chris Hadfield has gone on record to say that while the series' AlternateHistory premise is inherently interesting, he has found the execution of that premise to be "sort-of cartoonish" in some areas -- more specifically, he has [[https://youtu.be/BkoMHhu0P9Y criticized]] the moment in [[Recap/ForAllMankindS02E08AndHeresToYou "And "[[Recap/ForAllMankindS02E08AndHeresToYou And Here's to You"]] You]]" where Tracy Helena shoots one of the cosmonauts to be favoring RuleOfDrama over exploring the actual consequences that would come from a rivalry between groups of Soviet and American astronauts, noting that the astronauts and marines would have realistically [[CrazyPrepared been made to study Russian in advance]] ''long'' before going to the moon (thus negating the PoorCommunicationKills that occurs in the episode), along with how they would've been rational enough to not shoot a cosmonaut [[ShootHimHeHasAWallet on a whim]]. %%Feel free to move this text somewhere else if needed
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For the record, Hadfield doesn't dislike it because it's unrealistic. The same video has him express how he enjoys The Fast And The Furious unironically because it's meant to be fun first and foremost. He dislikes For All Mankind because it's unrealistic despite it ostensibly being meant as a serious take on Alternate History.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Retired Canadian astronaut Chris Hadfield has gone on record to say that while the series' AlternateHistory premise is inherently interesting, he has found the execution of that premise to be "sort-of cartoonish" in some areas -- more specifically, he has [[https://youtu.be/BkoMHhu0P9Y criticized]] the moment in [[Recap/ForAllMankindS02E08AndHeresToYou "And Here's to You"]] where Tracy shoots one of the cosmonauts to be favoring RuleOfDrama over exploring the actual consequences that would come from a rivalry between groups of Soviet and American astronauts, noting that the astronauts and marines would have realistically [[CrazyPrepared been made to study Russian in advance]] ''long'' before going to the moon (thus negating the PoorCommunicationKills that occurs in the episode), along with how they would've been rational enough to not shoot a cosmonaut [[ShootHimHeHasAWallet on a whim]]. %%Feel free to move this text somewhere else if needed
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** Ed writes his son's name on the moon where it will stand forever due to the lack of atmosphere. In real life this was done by Apollo 17's Eugene Cernan (who was also the LEM pilot for Apollo 10), to date the last person to walk on the moon, with his daughter's name.

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** Ed writes his son's name on the moon where it will stand forever due to the lack of atmosphere. In real life this was done life, Apollo's 12 Alan Bean painted a picture of a boulder named [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracy%27s_Rock Tracy's Rock]] with "Tracy" added on nearby sand by Bean based on the handwriting of Apollo 17's Eugene Gene Cernan, the father of Tracy. Cernan (who was also mentioned he wished he thought of doing that when taking a picture of the LEM pilot for Apollo 10), to date the last person to walk on the moon, with his daughter's name.boulder.
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** Double Decker Cheese Burger [[labelnote: Explanation '''(SPOILERS!)''']]]"Home again" has Gene Kranz and a pad worker meeting with the crew of Apollo 23 prior to launch before fixing the Saturn V's SI-C actuator. Whilst leaving the pad, Gene Kranz asks "Do they still have those double decker cheeseburgers-" [[WhamShot right before being cutoff by the Saturn V exploding.]] Since then, the phrase "double decker cheeseburger" has been used as a bad omen in the fandom.[[/labelnote]]

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** Double Decker Cheese Burger [[labelnote: Explanation '''(SPOILERS!)''']]]"Home '''(SPOILERS!)''']]"Home again" has Gene Kranz and a pad worker meeting with the crew of Apollo 23 prior to launch before fixing the Saturn V's SI-C actuator. Whilst leaving the pad, Gene Kranz asks "Do they still have those double decker cheeseburgers-" [[WhamShot right before being cutoff by the Saturn V exploding.]] Since then, the phrase "double decker cheeseburger" has been used as a bad omen in the fandom.fandom, especially in Season 4 when Sergei is assassinated right before taking a bite out of a Big Mac.[[/labelnote]]

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* DesignatedHero: The main conflict of season 4 revolves around whether to send the Goldilocks asteroid to Mars orbit, which would force NASA and Roscosmos to continue investing in Happy Valley in order to build the required infrastructure to mine it; or Earth orbit, where it can be easily mined with existing technology at a fraction of the cost. The narrative treats the former as the "right" choice, with Ed and Dev believing that the Mars program and deep space exploration will be defunded if Goldilocks goes to Earth, but many viewers believe that the benefits of sending it to Earth would outweigh the potential costs, and that it's unlikely Happy Valley would be abandoned outright given that NASA and Roscosmos were already building it out before the asteroid was discovered. Furthermore, Ed and Dev are hardly acting selflessly -- Ed openly wants to get back at Danielle for [[spoiler:removing him as [=XO=]]], while Dev stands to make an ungodly amount of money thanks to Helios having a near-monopoly on Martian infrastructure. Even when [[spoiler:the CIA and KGB begin cracking down on the dissidents with torture and invasive raids]], a lot of the audience were still rooting for [[spoiler:the plot to steal Goldilocks to fail]].



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The main conflict of season 4 revolves around whether to send the Goldilocks asteroid to Mars orbit, which would force NASA and Roscosmos to continue investing in Happy Valley in order to build the required infrastructure to mine it; or Earth orbit, where it can be easily mined with existing technology at a fraction of the cost. The narrative treats the former as the "right" choice, with Ed and Dev believing that the Mars program and deep space exploration will be defunded if Goldilocks goes to Earth, but many viewers believe that the benefits of sending it to Earth would outweigh the potential costs, and that it's unlikely Happy Valley would be abandoned outright given that NASA and Roscosmos were already building it out before the asteroid was discovered. Furthermore, Ed and Dev are hardly acting selflessly -- Ed is angry at Danielle for [[spoiler:removing him as [=XO=]]] and openly wants to get back at her, while Dev stands to make an ungodly amount of money thanks to Helios having a near-monopoly on Martian infrastructure. Even when [[spoiler:the CIA and KGB begin cracking down on the dissidents with torture and invasive raids]], a lot of the audience were still rooting for [[spoiler:the plot to steal Goldilocks to fail]].

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* FriendlyFandoms: One with ''Franchise/StarTrek'', with Trekkie fans calling the show an honorary entry in the franchise, due to being created by beloved ''Trek'' writer Ronald D. Moore and sharing a similar optimistic view of space travel.

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** The show's use of {{realpolitik}} and semi-realistic physics has also endeared it to fans of ''Series/TheExpanse'', with many considering it an unofficial prequel.

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* SpecialEffectsFailure:
** Season 3's supplementary material has the "[=MoonLab=]" space station being shown in lunar orbit. The images of the station are literally unmodified renders of OTL NASA's Lunar Gateway station.
** Season 4's opening newsreel has a rocket launch being seen from the VAB, if one looks closely they can actually see the OTL Artemis program's banner just above the VAB's low bay door.



** The cosmonaut characters in general don't get to show their own point-of-view the way the astronauts and Helionauts do. Although we see glimpses of their motivations and inner lives, it's usually through interaction with an astronaut than through their own storylines, few of them last for more than one season, and a lot of it gets left offscreen (such as Kuznetov forming a deep friendship with Danielle during the season 3 - 4 timeskip).

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** The cosmonaut characters in general don't get to show their own point-of-view the way the astronauts and Helionauts do. Although we see glimpses of their motivations and inner lives, it's usually through interaction with an astronaut than through their own storylines, few of them last for more than one season, and a lot of it gets left offscreen (such as Kuznetov forming a deep friendship with Ed and Danielle during the season 3 - 4 timeskip). timeskip).
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The main conflict of season 4 revolves around whether to send the Goldilocks asteroid to Mars orbit, which would force NASA and Roscosmos to continue investing in Happy Valley in order to build the required infrastructure to mine it; or Earth orbit, where it can be easily mined with existing technology at a fraction of the cost. The narrative treats the former as the "right" choice, with Ed and Dev believing that the Mars program and deep space exploration will be defunded if Goldilocks goes to Earth, but many viewers believe that the benefits of sending it to Earth would outweigh the potential costs, and that it's unlikely Happy Valley would be abandoned outright given that NASA and Roscosmos were already building it out before the asteroid was discovered. Furthermore, Ed and Dev are hardly acting selflessly -- Ed is angry at Danielle for [[spoiler:removing him as [=XO=]]] and openly wants to get back at her, while Dev stands to make an ungodly amount of money thanks to Helios having a near-monopoly on Martian infrastructure. Even when [[spoiler:the CIA and KGB begin cracking down on the dissidents with torture and invasive raids]], a lot of the audience were still rooting for [[spoiler:the plot to steal Goldilocks to fail]].



* SpecialEffectsFailure:
** Season 3's supplementary material has the "[=MoonLab=]" space station being shown in lunar orbit. The images of the station are literally unmodified renders of OTL NASA's Lunar Gateway station.
** Season 4's opening newsreel has a rocket launch being seen from the VAB, if one looks closely they can actually see the OTL Artemis program's banner just above the VAB's low bay door.
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** All three seasons so far end with what seems to be an anachronistic song choice, only to reveal a TimeSkip to the time the song was released ([[Music/TearsForFears “Everybody Wants to Rule the World”]] in season 1, [[Music/{{Nirvana}} "Come As You Are"]] in season 2 and [[spoiler:[[Music/{{Radiohead}} "Everything In Its Right Place"]] in season 3]]).

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** All three seasons so far end with what seems to be an anachronistic song choice, only to reveal a TimeSkip to the time the song was released ([[Music/TearsForFears “Everybody Wants to Rule the World”]] in season 1, [[Music/{{Nirvana}} "Come As You Are"]] in season 2 and [[spoiler:[[Music/{{Radiohead}} 2, [[Music/{{Radiohead}} "Everything In Its Right Place"]] in season 3]]).3, and [[Music/{{M83}} "Midnight City"]] in season 4).
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** Double Decker Cheese Burger [[labelnote: Explanation '''(SPOILERS!)''']]]"Home again" has Gene Kranz and a pad worker meeting with the crew of Apollo 23 prior to launch before fixing the Saturn V's SI-C actuator. Whilst leaving the pad, Gene Kranz asks "Do they still have those double decker cheeseburgers-" [[WhamShot right before being cutoff by the Saturn V exploding.]] Since then, the phrase "double decker cheeseburger" has been used as a bad omen in the fandom.

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** Double Decker Cheese Burger [[labelnote: Explanation '''(SPOILERS!)''']]]"Home again" has Gene Kranz and a pad worker meeting with the crew of Apollo 23 prior to launch before fixing the Saturn V's SI-C actuator. Whilst leaving the pad, Gene Kranz asks "Do they still have those double decker cheeseburgers-" [[WhamShot right before being cutoff by the Saturn V exploding.]] Since then, the phrase "double decker cheeseburger" has been used as a bad omen in the fandom.[[/labelnote]]
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** Double Decker Cheese Burger [[labelnote: Explanation '''(SPOILERS!)''']]]"Home again" has Gene Kranz and a pad worker meeting with the crew of Apollo 23 prior to launch before fixing the Saturn V's SI-C actuator. Whilst leaving the pad, Gene Kranz asks "Do they still have those double decker cheeseburgers-" [[WhamShot right before being cutoff by the Saturn V exploding.]] Since then, the phrase "double decker cheeseburger" has been used as a bad omen in the fandom.

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* GrowingTheBeard: Season 1’s first half got mixed reviews complaining about the overly large cast and lack of much forward momentum. The second half was seen as a big improvement as the focus suddenly tightens onto the seemingly endless DisasterDominoes that spill out from Apollo 23 exploding, and probably not coincidentally putting Ron Moore in much more familiar writing territory.
** Reviews and online reaction hold that season 2 is a vast improvement with the finale receiving widespread praise.

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* GrowingTheBeard: Season 1’s first half got mixed reviews complaining about the overly large cast and lack of much forward momentum. The second half was seen as a big improvement as the focus suddenly tightens onto the seemingly endless DisasterDominoes that spill out from Apollo 23 exploding, and probably not coincidentally putting Ron Moore in much more familiar writing territory.
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territory. Reviews and online reaction hold that season 2 is a vast improvement with the finale receiving widespread praise.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Danielle's position as the only black astronaut on top of being a woman is oddly undeveloped, with no one seeming to have any issue with her race in stark contrast to prevalent attitudes of the time. Even when she breaks her arm and raises public questions about her fitness for the job, the focus seems to be entirely on what it says about women rather than black people. Luckily, the crew seemed to take notice and it receives more attention in Season 2.

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Danielle's position as the only black astronaut on top of being a woman is oddly undeveloped, with no one seeming to have any issue with her race in stark contrast to prevalent attitudes of the time. Even when she breaks her arm and raises public questions about her fitness for the job, the focus seems to be entirely on what it says about women rather than black people. Luckily, the crew seemed to take notice and it receives more attention in Season 2.


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** The cosmonaut characters in general don't get to show their own point-of-view the way the astronauts and Helionauts do. Although we see glimpses of their motivations and inner lives, it's usually through interaction with an astronaut than through their own storylines, few of them last for more than one season, and a lot of it gets left offscreen (such as Kuznetov forming a deep friendship with Danielle during the season 3 - 4 timeskip).
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* IKnewIt:
** Before "The Sands of Ares" confirmed that [[spoiler:Kelly would become pregnant on Mars]], many fans guessed the possibility would become a plot point.
** The idea that [[spoiler:North Korea would land an astronaut on Mars]], which was suggested by fans as a joke, was confirmed in the following episode.
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** "I did not have sexual relations with that woman."[[labelnote:Explanation '''(SPOILERS!)''']]After becoming the President in Season 3, fans noted the time period and Ellen's sexuality could result in an affair-type scandal, with this phrase in particular becoming quite prominent.[[/labelnote]]

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** "I "[[UsefulNotes/BillClinton I did not have sexual relations with that woman."[[labelnote:Explanation ]]"[[labelnote:Explanation '''(SPOILERS!)''']]After becoming the President in Season 3, fans noted the time period and Ellen's sexuality could result in an affair-type scandal, with this phrase in particular becoming quite prominent.[[/labelnote]]
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** "They ate Danny." [[labelnote:Explanation '''(SPOILERS!)''']]Season 4 starts with Danny conspicuously absent and the implication that something terrible happened that has left Danielle guilty. Fans began to jokingly agree that the other astronauts [[IAmAHumanitarian killed and ate him]].[[/labelnote]]

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** "They ate Danny." [[labelnote:Explanation '''(SPOILERS!)''']]Season 4 starts with Danny conspicuously absent and the implication that something terrible happened that has left Danielle guilty. Fans began to jokingly agree that the other astronauts [[IAmAHumanitarian killed and ate him]]. When it was finally revealed that Danny committed suicide, the fact it came right after it was noted that Happy Valley was running low on food only fueled these jokes.[[/labelnote]]
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* SpecialEffectsFailure:
** Season 3's supplementary material has the "[=MoonLab=]" space station being shown in lunar orbit. The images of the station are literally unmodified renders of OTL NASA's Lunar Gateway station.
** Season 4's opening newsreel has a rocket launch being seen from the VAB, if one looks closely they can actually see the OTL Artemis program's banner just above the VAB's low bay door.
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** "They ate Danny." [[labelnote:Explanation '''(SPOILERS!)''']]Season 4 starts with Danny conspicuously absent and the implication that something terrible happened that has left Danielle guilty. Fans began to jokingly agree that the other astronauts [[IAmAHumanitarian killed and ate him]].[[/labelnote]]

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