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* NightmareRetardant: [[spoiler:Daan]]'s NonstandardGameOver is very unsettling as the Pocketcat berates [[spoiler:him]] for [[spoiler:his]] failures...until he calls [[spoiler:him]] a [[spoiler:"dirty degenerate furry",]] as mentioned in {{Narm}} above.
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* AntiClimaxBoss: Unfortunately one of the [[FinalBoss Final Bosses]] [[spoiler:Logic]] falls under this due to the simple fact that not only do they lack ContractualBossImmunity to burning, but is weak to it. Because of this with the right build the player is very likely to defeat the boss before it even hits its phase transition.

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* AntiClimaxBoss: Unfortunately one of the [[FinalBoss Final Bosses]] [[spoiler:Logic]] falls under this due to the simple fact that not only do they lack ContractualBossImmunity to burning, burning and poison, but is weak to it. Because of this with the right build the player is very likely to defeat the boss before it even hits its phase transition.
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* AntiClimaxBoss: Unfortunately one of the [[FinalBoss Final Bosses]] [[spoiler:Logic]] falls under this due to the simple fact that not only do they lack ContractualBossImmunity to burning, but is weak to it. Because of this with the right build it is very likely to defeat the boss before it even hits its phase transition.

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* AntiClimaxBoss: Unfortunately one of the [[FinalBoss Final Bosses]] [[spoiler:Logic]] falls under this due to the simple fact that not only do they lack ContractualBossImmunity to burning, but is weak to it. Because of this with the right build it the player is very likely to defeat the boss before it even hits its phase transition.
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* AntiClimaxBoss: Unfortunately one of the [[FinalBoss Final Bosses]] [[spoiler:Logic]] falls under this due to the simple fact that not only do they lack ContractualBossImmunity to burning, but is weak to it. Because of this with the right build it is very likely to defeat the boss before it even hits its phase transition.
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** The game's use of nudity and sexual themes for shock factor and horror can come across as crass and flat out childish at times. A particular low point is when you're asked to evaluate 3 dinner courses, each bearing a blatant resemblance to male genitalia, which the player can comment on to their host's chagrin. The scene is neither tense nor unsettling and seems to be played more for laughs than anything else, even if it can end in a difficult boss battle if the wrong dialogue options are chosen.
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** The change from having the world be a pseudo roguelike where every run is different to having it be a larger premade world. On one hand there is less RNG that can screw you out of a good item or instantly end your run. On the other hand because this game is arguably even ''more'' unforgiving than the first game it is very easy to lock yourself into an [[UnwinnableByDesign unwinnable situation]] that forces a restart, which because of the game's larger scope can make it feel a lot more tedious on subsequent runs.

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** The change from having the world be a pseudo roguelike where every run is different to having it be a larger premade world. On one hand there is less RNG that can screw you out of a good item or instantly end your run. On the other hand because this game is arguably even ''more'' unforgiving than the first game game, especially with its extremely limited saves, it is very easy to lock yourself into an [[UnwinnableByDesign unwinnable situation]] that forces a restart, which because of the game's larger scope can make it feel a lot more tedious on subsequent runs.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Samarie has proven to be one of the most divisive contestants, if not the most, due to her [[StalkerWithACrush obsessive love for Marina]] and [[{{Yandere}} willingness to do bad things in her name]] -- her detractors condemn her as a PsychoLesbian wanting to isolate Marina so that she can have her all to herself, while her supporters point to her mental health issues, DarkAndTroubledPast and instances where she [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone feels remorse]] to explain and/or justify her actions.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Samarie has proven to be one of the most divisive contestants, if not the most, due to her [[StalkerWithACrush obsessive love for Marina]] and [[{{Yandere}} willingness to do bad amoral things in her name]] -- her detractors condemn her as a PsychoLesbian wanting to isolate Marina so that she can have her all to herself, while her supporters point to her mental health issues, DarkAndTroubledPast and instances where she [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone feels remorse]] to explain and/or justify her actions.


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** Quite a few fans have headcanoned Samarie to be Caligura's bastard daughter who [[ParentalAbandonment he abandoned]]. This is supported by both characters hailing from Vatican City, [[EeriePaleSkinnedBrunette sharing similar pale skintones and dark hair]], and being capable of impulsive violence (although Caligura is far more extreme than Samarie).

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** By tracking down and killing the other contestants as early as possible, you can unlock their entire skill trees for your character. This alone can rapidly turn you into an untouchable killing machine.


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** '''Spice Forge'''. Quite possibly the single most powerful skill in the game, Spice Forge allows you to assign coloured spice to three of your spells. Green spice causes the spell to cast instantly at the start of battle, Red spice causes the spell to fire twice per cast (with the second hitting a random target), and blue spice reduces the Mind cost of all magic. This skill has incredible synergy with a huge variety of spells you can learn from the Hexen, making many encounters a breeze. In particular, combining the Green spice with Black Smog can blind enemy encounters instantly, while combining Blue spice with a spell like Hurting lets you constantly spam it and rip through opponents. This skill alone makes killing O'saa a priority as a caster and makes him extremely powerful as a player character.
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** Levi. As the protagonist, he has useful gun skills, but he starts with only one, and that's only if you choose to suffer from a crippling heroin addiction (with withdrawal lowering all your stats by -10% unless high on heroin and as time passes becomes severe withdrawal, worsening them -30%), or skip character history (which misses out on +25 body or affinity with a god). As a recruitable character, he's always addicted, and only offers gun proficiency, which is TooAwesomeToUse if you're not playing as [[DoesntLikeGuns O'saa]] (as bullets are better spent in the field). If you want Levi's skills, you might be better off playing somebody else and killing him for the soul. Though with Levi as the main character, [[spoiler: losing the first time to Needles (best if done alone, to avoid losing companions) will cure him of the addiction as well as all statuses]]. [[GoodBadBugs Reviving him as a companion with Daan's Magna Medicinal will also cure him of the addiction and statuses, same goes for other party members]].
** Karin. She can't use two-handed melee weapons and her skills are of very limited use. While Lockpick is useful for bypassing the hunt for the keys (or chalk and a Vinushka skin bible) to get past the old town, most pickable doors can be broken down with a party, her Escape Plan doesn't make running perfectly reliable, and her Persuasion + Diplomacy are very situational, as it fails against a decent amount of enemies, gives minor debuffs to most others, and can even buff a rare few, though it completely shuts down Bobbies, one of the most common tough enemies, especially playing solo, as it allows for a One shot to the head. As a recruitable character, meanwhile, she suffers from LateCharacterSyndrome, as lockpicking is all she offers, yet she's recruited at day 2 in the ruined part of Prehevil, meaning that you'll be already be past most doors that you'd really want to pick.

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** Levi. As the protagonist, he has useful gun skills, but he starts with only one, and that's only if you choose to suffer from a crippling heroin addiction (with withdrawal lowering all your stats by -10% unless high on heroin and as time passes becomes severe withdrawal, worsening them -30%), or skip character history (which misses out on +25 body or affinity with a god). As a recruitable character, he's always addicted, and only offers gun proficiency, which is TooAwesomeToUse if you're not playing as [[DoesntLikeGuns O'saa]] (as bullets are better spent in the field). If you want Levi's skills, you might be better off playing somebody else and killing him for the soul. Though with Levi as the main character, [[spoiler: losing the first time to Needles (best if done alone, to avoid losing companions) will cure him of the addiction as well as all statuses]]. [[GoodBadBugs Reviving him as a companion with Daan's Magna Medicinal will also cure him of the addiction and statuses, same goes for other party members]].
members]]. Lastly, properly building out Levi can turn him into a hellacious murder machine, as attacking with three Rev points means Levi will shoot twice with a single bullet. This allows him to deal extremely high (and ammo-efficient) burst damage with the proper skills.
** Karin. She can't use two-handed melee weapons and her skills are of very limited use. While Lockpick is useful for bypassing the hunt for the keys (or chalk and a Vinushka skin bible) to get past the old town, most pickable doors can be broken down with a party, her Escape Plan doesn't make running perfectly reliable, and her Persuasion + Diplomacy are very situational, as it fails against a decent amount of enemies, gives minor debuffs to most others, and can even buff a rare few, though it few. It does completely shuts shut down Bobbies, one of the most common tough enemies, especially playing solo, as it allows for a One shot to making mid-game navigation around the head. city a breeze. That said, the old Attack Legs > Escape Plan > Attack Head combo still works wonders, making her a decently effective main character. As a recruitable character, meanwhile, she suffers from LateCharacterSyndrome, as lockpicking Lockpicking is all she offers, yet she's recruited at day Day 2 in the ruined part of Prehevil, meaning that you'll be already be past most doors that you'd really want to pick.
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You only get tied up if you kill someone with an intervening witness around, you can kill human contestants just fine if you play your cards right


* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: From the beginning, it's made clear that the Termina festival is meant to be a battle royale and the promotional material also wastes no time displaying it with the picture of the contestants caught in a violent brawl. Yet in the game proper, the actual battle royale bit isn't played up as much as you'd expect. The contestants are relatively affable with each other, save for some arguments about what exactly is going on in Prehevil and light quipping, and they're more preoccupied with investigating the town (though that's also rather understandable given the circumstances). Not many of the characters also go out of their way to begin eliminating other contestants, or treat the others with suspicion from the get-go, with deaths that aren't resulting from player input not happening until the latter half of the game. In fact, some characters can even become fast friends on Day 1. And trying to actually play the game as advertised by killing a non-moonscorched contestant will result in you being tied up and unable to do anything until Day 3.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: From the beginning, it's made clear that the Termina festival is meant to be a battle royale and the promotional material also wastes no time displaying it with the picture of the contestants caught in a violent brawl. Yet in the game proper, the actual battle royale bit isn't played up as much as you'd expect. The contestants are relatively affable with each other, save for some arguments about what exactly is going on in Prehevil and light quipping, and they're more preoccupied with investigating the town (though that's also rather understandable given the circumstances). Not many of the characters also go out of their way to begin eliminating other contestants, or treat the others with suspicion from the get-go, with deaths that aren't resulting from player input not happening until the latter half of the game. In fact, some characters can even become fast friends on Day 1. And trying to actually play the game as advertised by killing a non-moonscorched contestant will result in you being tied up and unable to do anything until Day 3.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: From the beginning, it's made clear that the Termina festival is meant to be a battle royale and the promotional material also wastes no time displaying it with the picture of the contestants caught in a violent brawl. Yet in the game proper, the actual battle royale bit isn't played up as much as you'd expect. The contestants are relatively affable with each other, save for some arguments about what exactly is going on in Prehevil and light quipping, and they're more preoccupied with investigating the town (though that's also rather understandable given the circumstances). Not many of the characters also go out of their way to begin eliminating other contestants, or treat the others with suspicion from the get-go, with deaths that aren't resulting from player input not happening until the latter half of the game. In fact, some characters can even become fast friends on Day 1.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: From the beginning, it's made clear that the Termina festival is meant to be a battle royale and the promotional material also wastes no time displaying it with the picture of the contestants caught in a violent brawl. Yet in the game proper, the actual battle royale bit isn't played up as much as you'd expect. The contestants are relatively affable with each other, save for some arguments about what exactly is going on in Prehevil and light quipping, and they're more preoccupied with investigating the town (though that's also rather understandable given the circumstances). Not many of the characters also go out of their way to begin eliminating other contestants, or treat the others with suspicion from the get-go, with deaths that aren't resulting from player input not happening until the latter half of the game. In fact, some characters can even become fast friends on Day 1. And trying to actually play the game as advertised by killing a non-moonscorched contestant will result in you being tied up and unable to do anything until Day 3.
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* SelfImposedChallenge: Numerous are popular, from avoiding the use of the Hexen at all to sparing every other contestant. One infamously extreme one is choosing to play as Olivia without her wheelchair on Masochism, which disables your Attack command and reduces your speed to the same crawl as a legless character, a penalty that severely complicates the 30 second outdoor time limit.
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** The Double Black Smog spell, especially if using a Chac Chac and/or a Death Mask. It does require you to learn Spice Forge to access it, but it hits everything, and also can inflict blindness on everything it touches. Not many enemies are reistant to blindness, so even a single casting will make anything that does not immediately die to it unable to touch your party. Equip Betel's Ring (a guaranteed drop on one of the corpses at the church of All-Mer) on top and you can cast the spell for practically free every single turn.

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** The Double Black Smog spell, especially if using a Chac Chac and/or a Death Mask. It does require you to learn Spice Forge to access it, but it hits everything, and also can inflict blindness on everything it touches. Not many enemies are reistant resistant to blindness, so even a single casting will make anything that does not immediately die to it unable to touch your party. Equip Betel's Ring (a guaranteed drop on one of the corpses at the church of All-Mer) on top and you can cast the spell for practically free every single turn.


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** Out of all the starting contestants, Marina is easily the strongest magic caster. While taking her to the highest level requires both game knowledge and the will to murder some of her rival contestants, doing so unlocks exceptionally high utility and frontloaded power. For starters, she is one of the few characters able to start the game with affinity towards Gro-Goroth, allowing her to learn Necromancy extremely easily. Her Engrave allows her to make a permanent stat boost to every party member in the game including herself, which can result in things like a +5 Agility increase or +4 Magic Attack increase. Advanced and Greater Occultism allow her to start with a rev point, allowing her to quickly outpace the damage of any enemy that comes her way very early on and keep pace into the later parts of the game. If you play an optimal route through the first morning, it is possible to have no less than 15 heads, an army of ghoul backups, several contestant souls, and enough food and healing items to punch down anything that moves. If you nab Spice Forge and green spice something like Black Smog, it's essentially game over from there.
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** Lunar Storm is an AoE spell that does more damage than all others. However, it's extremely high cost of 50 Mind and 2 rev points makes it a hard spell to justify using, compared to other AoE spells.

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** Lunar Meteorite acts just like Gro-Goroth's Hurting, except consuming twice as much Mind. As Gro-Goroth has way more powerful skills, there's little reason to take Lunar Meteorite.
** Lunar Storm is an AoE spell that does more damage than all others. However, it's extremely high cost of 50 Mind and 2 rev points makes it a hard spell to justify using, compared to other AoE spells.


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** When it comes to NewGamePlus spells, Red Arc is widely considered to be the best one. You can learn it immediately from the moment you access the Hexen, it does 200-300 damage in a single hit that always stuns, and, most importantly, it always hits regardless of the enemy's evasion. As many enemies have low head health, you can use it to score a OneHitKill at a relatively low Mind cost, while other foes can be stunlocked repeatedly.
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Samarie has proven to be one of the most divisive contestants, if not the most, due to her [[StalkerWithACrush obsessive love for Marina]] and [[{{Yandere}} willingness to do bad things in her name]] -- her detractors condemn her as a PsychoLesbian wanting to isolate Marina so that she can have her all to herself, while her supporters point to her mental health issues, DarkAndTroubledPast and instances where she [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone feels remorse]] to explain and/or justify her actions.

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** [[TransAudienceInterpretation Daan being a trans man]] is a common headcanon.

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** [[TransAudienceInterpretation {{Trans Audience Interpretation}}s of Daan and/or Levi (the former being a trans man]] is man and the latter being either an out trans boy, or a closeted trans girl) are common headcanon.headcanons.


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** Levi's [[AddledAddict addiction to heroin]] has resulted in quite a few jokingly [[CargoShip shipping him with heroin]].
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* ComplacentGamingSyndrome: When faced with the early game MutuallyExclusivePartyMembers choice, if they're not already playing as the former, most players tend to go for [[spoiler:Abella]] rather than [[spoiler:Henryk]]. Reasons include but are not limited to the former actually being recruitable and thus being a reliable source of manpower during the EarlyGameHell, earlier access to Weaponcraft and thus [[GameBreaker the Meat Grinder]], it being easier via correct dialogue choices to avoid a fight with [[spoiler:the Gentleman]], whereas [[spoiler:Chaugnar]] is much more difficult to evade, and [[spoiler:Henryk potentially killing everyone in PRHVL Bop if he lives long enough, a penalty that doesn't apply to Abella]].
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** [[PairTheSpares Rounding out the hypothetical player-character couples]] is O'saa/Abella. It helps that they do have thematic chemistry too, with O'saa as a mystic well-aware of the Old Gods but captivated by technology he's unfamiliar with and Abella as a skilled mechanic and electrician who takes exposure to the supernatural with stride and decides to seek answers from the source.
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** Two of the game's bosses have proven somewhat controversial among its fanbase - [[spoiler:Rancid the Sergal and the Heartless One. The former draws ire in particular for being a mandatory boss battle fought just before the endgame and is often derided for being a [[FurryFandom furry character]], while the latter, while hidden away and fairly difficult to find, is still criticized for having a design that's somewhat out of place with the rest of the game, resembling a SuperBoss you might fight in a typical JRPG. Arguments in favor point to the Sergal Spear in the first game and an abundance of creatures and monsters existing in the setting justifying the former just fine, while the sheer variety in visual design for New Gods otherwise, including the equally beautiful Nilvan from the first game, means the latter doesn't actually stand out all that much either.]]

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** Two of the game's bosses have proven somewhat controversial among its fanbase - [[spoiler:Rancid the Sergal and the Heartless One. The former draws ire in particular for being a mandatory boss battle fought just before the endgame and is often derided for being a [[FurryFandom [[UsefulNotes/FurryFandom furry character]], while the latter, while hidden away and fairly difficult to find, is still criticized for having a design that's somewhat out of place with the rest of the game, resembling a SuperBoss you might fight in a typical JRPG. Arguments in favor point to the Sergal Spear in the first game and an abundance of creatures and monsters existing in the setting justifying the former just fine, while the sheer variety in visual design for New Gods otherwise, including the equally beautiful Nilvan from the first game, means the latter doesn't actually stand out all that much either.]]
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"i've covered wars, y'know" originally spawned from dead rising narm


** Karin having covered wars, which is what the fandom primarily knows her for. It's become a Meme to bring up how she's covered wars before, even making "I've covered wars" into her {{Fanon}} CatchPhrase. Expect lots of jokes about covering wars to come up whenever she's the topic of discussion within the fandom. [[OverlyLongGag By the way, did you know she's covered wars before?]]

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** Karin having [[VideoGame/DeadRising covered wars, wars]], which is what the fandom primarily knows her for. It's become a Meme to bring up how she's covered wars before, even making "I've covered wars" into her {{Fanon}} CatchPhrase. Expect lots of jokes about covering wars to come up whenever she's the topic of discussion within the fandom. [[OverlyLongGag By the way, did you know she's covered wars before?]]
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* DiagnosedByTheAudience: Samarie's [[NoSocialSkills lack of social skills]] and hyperfixation with Marina, akin to a special interest, have led a few fans to view her as being on the autism spectrum.

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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: After entering the Altar of the One God, the player is greeted with a [[spoiler: dead body on a sacrificial altar in front of a giant statue as well as Mataneko-kone-Magnificat-Rancid the Sergal, who attacks you and leaves after taking enough damage. No elaboration is provided.]]
** A semi-hidden path in the Maiden Woods leads to a suspicious mound in the ground with two trees growing out of it. [[spoiler: Interacting with it has Iki Turso, [[AnimalisticAbomination a giant humanoid deer-esque creature]] half buried in the ground burst out, revealing those trees to be it’s horns, and asking if Vinushka says it’s time to rise. No matter how you answer, he will see your answer as evidence it isn’t time, and he goes back to sleep]].
** [[DownplayedTrope Interestingly, the two events do actually have some shared follow up]]. [[spoiler: After your first match with Rancid, you can find him in this area, having [[OffWithHisHead beheaded Iki Turso]] and challenges you to a rematch]].
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** Samarie gets a treatment very similar to D'arce from the first game, except even worse. Her frequent stuttering, Masturbation skill, and {{Yandere}} tendencies to a woman to a woman who doesn't even know she exists forever cemented her in the fandom as a pitiful perma-virgin who is frequently depicted as being cuckolded by other contestants in fan art.

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** Samarie gets a treatment very similar to D'arce from the first game, except even worse. Her frequent stuttering, Masturbation skill, and {{Yandere}} tendencies to a woman to a woman who doesn't even know she exists forever cemented her in the fandom as a pitiful perma-virgin who is frequently depicted as being cuckolded by other contestants in fan art.
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** Daan being a transman is a common headcanon.

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** [[TransAudienceInterpretation Daan being a transman trans man]] is a common headcanon.
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* HoYay: If playing as Abella, Marina's nickname for you will be "pretty lady."

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* HoYay: If playing as Abella, any of the other female contestants, Marina's nickname nicknames for you will be have a bit of a flirty tone. She calls Olivia "sleeping beauty" while Abella and Karin get called "pretty lady."" Interestingly, her nicknames for the male contestants ''don't'' take on the same tone.

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** The elephant-like part of the Chaugnar's head is believed by some to be the result of or influenced by [[spoiler: Abella having a previous encounter with the Woodsman prior to her entering the bunkers, which affected her Moonscorching.]]

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** The elephant-like part of the Chaugnar's head is believed by some to be the result of or influenced by [[spoiler: Abella Abella]] having a previous encounter with the Woodsman prior to her them entering the bunkers, which affected her their Moonscorching.]]


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* {{Fanon}}: [[spoiler: Cahara]] being the one who accompanied The Girl in her ascension into the God of Fear and Hunger in Termina's timeline. The other three player characters from the previous games each have their S-Endings implicitly treated as canon and even two of them are SavedByCanon if the presence of the Skin Bibles and [[AmbiguouslyRelated August]] are any indication. This leaves [[spoiler: Cahara]] as the only one unaccounted for, [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse without even any hint of their fate or survival]] after the events of the first game. Some also would agree it would be a fitting character arc for them, being the one protagonist who had no involvement whatsoever with any grander scheme in their backstory, only to end up assisting in one.

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** Daan being a transman is a common headcanon.
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[[spoiler: Cahara]] being the one who accompanied The Girl in her ascension into the God of Fear and Hunger in Termina's timeline. The other three player characters from the previous games each have their S-Endings implicitly treated as canon and even two of them are SavedByCanon if the presence of the Skin Bibles and [[AmbiguouslyRelated August]] are any indication. This leaves [[spoiler: Cahara]] as the only one unaccounted for, [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse without even any hint of their fate or survival]] after the events of the first game. Some also would agree it would be a fitting character arc for them, being the one protagonist who had no involvement whatsoever with any grander scheme in their backstory, only to end up assisting in one.
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** [[spoiler:Nas'hrah's special dialogue with the Kaiser takes priority over and prevents the event in which August arrives to shoot the latter if you manage to reach his boss fight on day one, letting O'saa save all other contestants the same as Abella can.]]

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** [[spoiler:Nas'hrah's [[spoiler:Nas'hrah's]] special dialogue with the Kaiser takes priority over and prevents the event in which August [[spoiler:August arrives to shoot the latter if you manage to reach his boss fight the end of the White Bunker on day one, letting O'saa save all other contestants the same as Abella can.]]

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