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Changed link from "Small Name big Ego" to "Smug Snake." Jimmy Savile was NOT a "small name."


** In the "Built for War" featurette found in the 2006 DVD of "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS12E3TheSontaranExperiment The Sontaran Experiment]]", Creator/ColinBaker commented on the special, saying he found Creator/JimmySavile "much more frightening than the Sontarans." (Following the special's banning, the version of the featurette found in the 2018 Season 12 Blu-Ray box set cuts out all discussion of it.) In context, Baker referred to how he had found working with Savile a somewhat unpleasant experience, due to Savile's [[SmallNameBigEgo "self-congratulatory" and non-inclusive demeanor]], but some years later, the revelation of Savile's lifelong sexual abuse spree came along...

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** In the "Built for War" featurette found in the 2006 DVD of "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS12E3TheSontaranExperiment The Sontaran Experiment]]", Creator/ColinBaker commented on the special, saying he found Creator/JimmySavile "much more frightening than the Sontarans." (Following the special's banning, the version of the featurette found in the 2018 Season 12 Blu-Ray box set cuts out all discussion of it.) In context, Baker referred to how he had found working with Savile a somewhat unpleasant experience, due to Savile's [[SmallNameBigEgo [[SmugSnake "self-congratulatory" and non-inclusive demeanor]], but some years later, the revelation of Savile's lifelong sexual abuse spree came along...
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* HilariousInHindsight: As Magazine/DoctorWhoMagazine pointed out, the Sontarans’ intentions with Gareth predate Skynet’s [[Film/Termniator2JudgementDay attempt at doing the same]].

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* HilariousInHindsight: As Magazine/DoctorWhoMagazine pointed out, the Sontarans’ intentions with Gareth predate Skynet’s [[Film/Termniator2JudgementDay [[Film/Terminator2JudgmentDay attempt at doing the same]].
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* HilariousInHindsight: As Magazine/DoctorWhoMagazine pointed out, the Sontarans’ intentions with Gareth predate Skynet’s [[Film/Termniator2JudgementDay attempt at doing the same]].
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* SpecialEffectsFailure: In the 2022 version's ending, Colin sounds much older as he says his ending line, as it was recorded over 35 years later.
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* ImprovedByTheReCut: The 2022 GeorgeLucasAlteredVersion is considered much better not only for the obvious reason that it no longer has [[Creator/JimmySavile one of the most disturbing and evil men in the history of television]] in it, but also because its new ending does not break the fourth wall into a million pieces with a sledgehammer; meaning one can now easily slot it into their personal definition of ''Doctor Who'' canon.

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* ImprovedByTheReCut: The 2022 GeorgeLucasAlteredVersion is considered much better not only for the obvious reason that it no longer has [[Creator/JimmySavile one of the most disturbing depraved and evil men in the history of television]] British history]] in it, but also because its new ending does not break the fourth wall into a million pieces with a sledgehammer; meaning one can now easily slot it into their personal definition of ''Doctor Who'' canon.

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** In the "Built for War" featurette found in the 2006 DVD of "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS12E3TheSontaranExperiment The Sontaran Experiment]]", Creator/ColinBaker commented on the special, saying he found Creator/JimmySavile "much more frightening than the Sontarans." (Following the special's banning, the version of the featurette found in the 2018 Season 12 Blu-Ray box set cuts out all discussion of it.) In context, Baker referred to how he had found working with Savile a somewhat unpleasant experience, due to Savile's "self-congratulatory" and non-inclusive demeanor, but some years later the revelation of Savile's lifelong sexual abuse spree came along...

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** In the "Built for War" featurette found in the 2006 DVD of "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS12E3TheSontaranExperiment The Sontaran Experiment]]", Creator/ColinBaker commented on the special, saying he found Creator/JimmySavile "much more frightening than the Sontarans." (Following the special's banning, the version of the featurette found in the 2018 Season 12 Blu-Ray box set cuts out all discussion of it.) In context, Baker referred to how he had found working with Savile a somewhat unpleasant experience, due to Savile's [[SmallNameBigEgo "self-congratulatory" and non-inclusive demeanor, demeanor]], but some years later later, the revelation of Savile's lifelong sexual abuse spree came along...



* ImprovedByTheReCut: The 2022 GeorgeLucasAlteredVersion is considered much better not only for the obvious reason that it no longer has a sex offender in it, but also because its new ending does not break the fourth wall into a million pieces with a sledgehammer, meaning one can now easily slot it into their personal definition of ''Doctor Who'' canon.

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* ImprovedByTheReCut: The 2022 GeorgeLucasAlteredVersion is considered much better not only for the obvious reason that it no longer has a sex offender [[Creator/JimmySavile one of the most disturbing and evil men in the history of television]] in it, but also because its new ending does not break the fourth wall into a million pieces with a sledgehammer, sledgehammer; meaning one can now easily slot it into their personal definition of ''Doctor Who'' canon.
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** Within the original cut of the special itself, Colin seems very protective of Gareth, putting a protective arm round him as Savile steps closer, and seeming utterly disgusted by Savile’s presence. This works on both a meta level and an [[ThrowItIn (unintended)]] in-universe level. On a meta-level, Colin clearly has a strong instinct that something is very wrong indeed with Savile, and while he obviously has absolutely zero way of actively knowing just HOW horribly right he is[[note]]after Savile's true colours came to light, [[https://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/yoursay/opinion/look/10038017.jimmy-savile-was-cold-and-patronising/ Colin wrote an op-ed]] stating that he found the man to be a patronising, creepy [[ThePrimaDonna Prima Donna]] but still never expected him to be guilty of crimes like '''that'''[[/note]], he still wants to keep Gareth safe and secure with this person in the room. On an in-in-universe level, a fan theory that has been recently gaining some cult popularity through various forums holds that this entire story was created by a fiendish plot by some enemy who taken charge of [[Recap/{{DoctorWhoS6E2TheMindRobber}} The Land of Fiction]], and was attempting to turn the Doctor into a cliché fictional character version of himself played by Colin Baker (which doubles as explaining the inanity of this story as well as why they so abruptly and without warning [[BreakingTheFourthWall break character]]). However, as the theory goes, there was still just enough Doctor left in him to make sure that Savile didn’t get the chance to do anything to Gareth (because, of course, as a time traveller, he would be aware of... the sort of person Savile was).

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** Within the original cut of the special itself, Colin seems very protective of Gareth, putting a protective arm round him as Savile steps closer, and seeming utterly disgusted by Savile’s presence. This works on both a meta level and an [[ThrowItIn (unintended)]] in-universe level. On a meta-level, Colin clearly has a strong instinct that something is very wrong indeed with Savile, and while he obviously has absolutely zero way of actively knowing just HOW horribly right he is[[note]]after Savile's true colours came to light, [[https://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/yoursay/opinion/look/10038017.jimmy-savile-was-cold-and-patronising/ Colin wrote an op-ed]] stating that he found the man to be a patronising, creepy [[ThePrimaDonna Prima Donna]] but still never expected him to be guilty of crimes like '''that'''[[/note]], he still wants to keep Gareth safe and secure with this person in the room. On an in-in-universe in-universe level, a fan theory that has been recently gaining some cult popularity through various forums holds that this entire story was created by a fiendish plot by some enemy who taken charge of [[Recap/{{DoctorWhoS6E2TheMindRobber}} The Land of Fiction]], and was attempting to turn the Doctor into a cliché fictional character version of himself played by Colin Baker (which doubles as explaining the inanity of this story as well as why they so abruptly and without warning [[BreakingTheFourthWall break character]]). However, as the theory goes, there was still just enough Doctor left in him to make sure that Savile didn’t get the chance to do anything to Gareth (because, of course, as a time traveller, he would be aware of... the sort of person Savile was).
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* ImprovedByTheReCut: The mini-episode was part of the British series ''Jim'll Fix It'', where children wrote in to have their dreams come true ("Sontarans" being the result of a child writing in to ask if he could meet the Doctor and go inside the TARDIS). After presenter Creator/JimmySavile was posthumously outed as one of the most prolific sexual predators in human history, the DVD of "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS22E4TheTwoDoctors The Two Doctors]]" (which originally included it as a special feature) was quietly re-authored to remove the episode. In 2022, for the Blu-ray boxset of Season 22, a new edit was prepared which divorced the mini-episode from ''Jim'll Fix It'' entirely, replacing Savile's appearance with a new ending realised through CGI and new dialogue recorded by Colin Baker. The new edit is considered much better not only for the obvious reason that it no longer has a sex offender in it, but also because it now genuinely stands up quite well as a part of the show in its own right, to the point where [[TheWikiRule the Whoniverse wiki]], the TARDIS Data Core, treats it as canon.

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* ImprovedByTheReCut: The mini-episode was part of the British series ''Jim'll Fix It'', where children wrote in to have their dreams come true ("Sontarans" being the result of a child writing in to ask if he could meet the Doctor and go inside the TARDIS). After presenter Creator/JimmySavile was posthumously outed as one of the most prolific sexual predators in human history, the DVD of "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS22E4TheTwoDoctors The Two Doctors]]" (which originally included it as a special feature) was quietly re-authored to remove the episode. In 2022, for the Blu-ray boxset of Season 22, a new edit was prepared which divorced the mini-episode from ''Jim'll Fix It'' entirely, replacing Savile's appearance with a new ending realised through CGI and new dialogue recorded by Colin Baker. The new edit 2022 GeorgeLucasAlteredVersion is considered much better not only for the obvious reason that it no longer has a sex offender in it, but also because it its new ending does not break the fourth wall into a million pieces with a sledgehammer, meaning one can now genuinely stands up quite well as a part easily slot it into their personal definition of the show in its own right, to the point where [[TheWikiRule the Whoniverse wiki]], the TARDIS Data Core, treats it as ''Doctor Who'' canon.
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* ImprovedByTheReCut: The mini-episode was part of the British series ''Jim'll Fix It'', where children wrote in to have their dreams come true ("Sontarans" being the result of a child writing in to ask if he could meet the Doctor and go inside the TARDIS). After presenter Creator/JimmySavile was posthumously outed as one of the most prolific sexual predators in human history, the DVD of "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS22E4TheTwoDoctors The Two Doctors]]" (which originally included it as a special feature) was quietly re-authored to remove the episode. In 2022, for the Blu-ray boxset of Season 22, a new edit was prepared which divorced the mini-episode from ''Jim'll Fix It'' entirely, replacing Savile's appearance with a new ending realised through CGI and new dialogue recorded by Colin Baker. The new edit is considered much better not only for the obvious reason that it no longer has a sex offender in it, but also because it now genuinely stands up quite well as a part of the show in its own right.

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* ImprovedByTheReCut: The mini-episode was part of the British series ''Jim'll Fix It'', where children wrote in to have their dreams come true ("Sontarans" being the result of a child writing in to ask if he could meet the Doctor and go inside the TARDIS). After presenter Creator/JimmySavile was posthumously outed as one of the most prolific sexual predators in human history, the DVD of "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS22E4TheTwoDoctors The Two Doctors]]" (which originally included it as a special feature) was quietly re-authored to remove the episode. In 2022, for the Blu-ray boxset of Season 22, a new edit was prepared which divorced the mini-episode from ''Jim'll Fix It'' entirely, replacing Savile's appearance with a new ending realised through CGI and new dialogue recorded by Colin Baker. The new edit is considered much better not only for the obvious reason that it no longer has a sex offender in it, but also because it now genuinely stands up quite well as a part of the show in its own right.right, to the point where [[TheWikiRule the Whoniverse wiki]], the TARDIS Data Core, treats it as canon.
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** Within the original cut of the special itself, Colin seems very protective of Gareth, putting a protective arm round him as Savile steps closer, and seeming utterly disgusted by Savile’s presence. This works on both a meta level and an [[ThrowItIn (unintended)]] in-universe level. On a meta-level, Colin clearly has a strong instinct that something is very wrong indeed with Savile, although obviously he has absolutely zero way of actively knowing just HOW horribly right he is[[note]]after Savile's true colours came to light, [[https://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/yoursay/opinion/look/10038017.jimmy-savile-was-cold-and-patronising/ Colin wrote an op-ed]] stating that he found the man to be a patronising, creepy [[ThePrimaDonna Prima Donna]] but still never expected him to be guilty of crimes like '''that'''[[/note]], he still wants to keep Gareth safe and secure with this person in the room. On an in-in-universe level, a fan theory that has been recently gaining some cult popularity through various forums holds that this entire story was created by a fiendish plot by some enemy who taken charge of [[Recap/{{DoctorWhoS6E2TheMindRobber}} The Land of Fiction]], and was attempting to turn the Doctor into a cliché fictional character version of himself played by Colin Baker (which doubles as explaining the inanity of this story as well as why they so abruptly and without warning [[BreakingTheFourthWall break character]]). However, as the theory goes, there was still just enough Doctor left in him to make sure that Savile didn’t get the chance to do anything to Gareth (because, of course, as a time traveller, he would be aware of... the sort of person Savile was).

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** Within the original cut of the special itself, Colin seems very protective of Gareth, putting a protective arm round him as Savile steps closer, and seeming utterly disgusted by Savile’s presence. This works on both a meta level and an [[ThrowItIn (unintended)]] in-universe level. On a meta-level, Colin clearly has a strong instinct that something is very wrong indeed with Savile, although and while he obviously he has absolutely zero way of actively knowing just HOW horribly right he is[[note]]after Savile's true colours came to light, [[https://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/yoursay/opinion/look/10038017.jimmy-savile-was-cold-and-patronising/ Colin wrote an op-ed]] stating that he found the man to be a patronising, creepy [[ThePrimaDonna Prima Donna]] but still never expected him to be guilty of crimes like '''that'''[[/note]], he still wants to keep Gareth safe and secure with this person in the room. On an in-in-universe level, a fan theory that has been recently gaining some cult popularity through various forums holds that this entire story was created by a fiendish plot by some enemy who taken charge of [[Recap/{{DoctorWhoS6E2TheMindRobber}} The Land of Fiction]], and was attempting to turn the Doctor into a cliché fictional character version of himself played by Colin Baker (which doubles as explaining the inanity of this story as well as why they so abruptly and without warning [[BreakingTheFourthWall break character]]). However, as the theory goes, there was still just enough Doctor left in him to make sure that Savile didn’t get the chance to do anything to Gareth (because, of course, as a time traveller, he would be aware of... the sort of person Savile was).
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** Within the original cut of the special itself, Colin seems very protective of Gareth, putting a protective arm round him as Savile steps closer, and seeming utterly disgusted by Savile’s presence. This works on both a meta level and an [[ThrowItIn (unintended)]] in-universe level. On a meta-level, Colin clearly has a strong instinct that something is very wrong indeed with Savile, although obviously he has absolutely zero way of actively knowing just HOW horribly right he is[[note]]after Savile's true colours were revealed, [[https://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/yoursay/opinion/look/10038017.jimmy-savile-was-cold-and-patronising/ Colin wrote an op-ed]] stating that he found the man to be a patronising, creepy [[ThePrimaDonna Prima Donna]] but was genuinely shocked when his crimes came to light[[/note]], he still wants to keep Gareth safe and secure with this person in the room. On an in-in-universe level, a fan theory that has been recently gaining some cult popularity through various forums holds that this entire story was created by a fiendish plot by some enemy who taken charge of [[Recap/{{DoctorWhoS6E2TheMindRobber}} The Land of Fiction]], and was attempting to turn the Doctor into a cliché fictional character version of himself played by Colin Baker (which doubles as explaining the inanity of this story as well as why they so abruptly and without warning [[BreakingTheFourthWall break character]]). However, as the theory goes, there was still just enough Doctor left in him to make sure that Savile didn’t get the chance to do anything to Gareth (because, of course, as a time traveller, he would be aware of... the sort of person Savile was).

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** Within the original cut of the special itself, Colin seems very protective of Gareth, putting a protective arm round him as Savile steps closer, and seeming utterly disgusted by Savile’s presence. This works on both a meta level and an [[ThrowItIn (unintended)]] in-universe level. On a meta-level, Colin clearly has a strong instinct that something is very wrong indeed with Savile, although obviously he has absolutely zero way of actively knowing just HOW horribly right he is[[note]]after Savile's true colours were revealed, came to light, [[https://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/yoursay/opinion/look/10038017.jimmy-savile-was-cold-and-patronising/ Colin wrote an op-ed]] stating that he found the man to be a patronising, creepy [[ThePrimaDonna Prima Donna]] but was genuinely shocked when his still never expected him to be guilty of crimes came to light[[/note]], like '''that'''[[/note]], he still wants to keep Gareth safe and secure with this person in the room. On an in-in-universe level, a fan theory that has been recently gaining some cult popularity through various forums holds that this entire story was created by a fiendish plot by some enemy who taken charge of [[Recap/{{DoctorWhoS6E2TheMindRobber}} The Land of Fiction]], and was attempting to turn the Doctor into a cliché fictional character version of himself played by Colin Baker (which doubles as explaining the inanity of this story as well as why they so abruptly and without warning [[BreakingTheFourthWall break character]]). However, as the theory goes, there was still just enough Doctor left in him to make sure that Savile didn’t get the chance to do anything to Gareth (because, of course, as a time traveller, he would be aware of... the sort of person Savile was).
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** Within the original cut of the special itself, Colin seems very protective of Gareth, putting a protective arm round him as Savile steps closer, and seeming utterly disgusted by Savile’s presence. This works on both a meta level and an [[ThrowItIn (unintended)]] in-universe level. On a meta-level, Colin clearly has an strong instinct that something is very wrong indeed with Savile, although obviously he has absolutely zero way of actively knowing just HOW horribly right he is[[note]][[https://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/yoursay/opinion/look/10038017.jimmy-savile-was-cold-and-patronising/ to quote the man himself]], "There is[...]a huge difference between finding someone creepy and patronising and suspecting them of being a sexual predator"[[/note]], he still wants to keep Gareth safe and secure with this person in the room. On an in-in-universe level, a fan theory that has been recently gaining some cult popularity through various forums holds that this entire story was created by a fiendish plot by some enemy who taken charge of [[Recap/{{DoctorWhoS6E2TheMindRobber}} The Land of Fiction]], and was attempting to turn the Doctor into a cliché fictional character version of himself played by Colin Baker (which doubles as explaining the inanity of this story as well as why they so abruptly and without warning [[BreakingTheFourthWall break character]]). However, as the theory goes, there was still just enough Doctor left in him to make sure that Savile didn’t get the chance to do anything to Gareth (because, of course, as a time traveller, he would be aware of... the sort of person Savile was).

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** Within the original cut of the special itself, Colin seems very protective of Gareth, putting a protective arm round him as Savile steps closer, and seeming utterly disgusted by Savile’s presence. This works on both a meta level and an [[ThrowItIn (unintended)]] in-universe level. On a meta-level, Colin clearly has an a strong instinct that something is very wrong indeed with Savile, although obviously he has absolutely zero way of actively knowing just HOW horribly right he is[[note]][[https://www.is[[note]]after Savile's true colours were revealed, [[https://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/yoursay/opinion/look/10038017.jimmy-savile-was-cold-and-patronising/ to quote Colin wrote an op-ed]] stating that he found the man himself]], "There is[...]a huge difference between finding someone to be a patronising, creepy and patronising and suspecting them of being a sexual predator"[[/note]], [[ThePrimaDonna Prima Donna]] but was genuinely shocked when his crimes came to light[[/note]], he still wants to keep Gareth safe and secure with this person in the room. On an in-in-universe level, a fan theory that has been recently gaining some cult popularity through various forums holds that this entire story was created by a fiendish plot by some enemy who taken charge of [[Recap/{{DoctorWhoS6E2TheMindRobber}} The Land of Fiction]], and was attempting to turn the Doctor into a cliché fictional character version of himself played by Colin Baker (which doubles as explaining the inanity of this story as well as why they so abruptly and without warning [[BreakingTheFourthWall break character]]). However, as the theory goes, there was still just enough Doctor left in him to make sure that Savile didn’t get the chance to do anything to Gareth (because, of course, as a time traveller, he would be aware of... the sort of person Savile was).
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** Within the original cut of the special itself, Colin seems very protective of Gareth, putting a protective arm round him as Savile steps closer, and seeming utterly disgusted by Savile’s presence. This works on both a meta level and an [[ThrowItIn (unintended)]] in-universe level. On a meta-level, Colin clearly has an strong instinct that something is very wrong indeed with Savile, although obviously he has absolutely zero way of actively knowing just HOW horribly right he is, he still wants to keep Gareth safe and secure with this person in the room. On an in-in-universe level, a fan theory that has been recently gaining some cult popularity through various forums holds that this entire story was created by a fiendish plot by some enemy who taken charge of [[Recap/{{DoctorWhoS6E2TheMindRobber}} The Land of Fiction]], and was attempting to turn the Doctor into a cliché fictional character version of himself played by Colin Baker (which doubles as explaining the inanity of this story as well as why they so abruptly and without warning [[BreakingTheFourthWall break character]]). However, as the theory goes, there was still just enough Doctor left in him to make sure that Savile didn’t get the chance to do anything to Gareth (because, of course, as a time traveller, he would be aware of... the sort of person Savile was).

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** Within the original cut of the special itself, Colin seems very protective of Gareth, putting a protective arm round him as Savile steps closer, and seeming utterly disgusted by Savile’s presence. This works on both a meta level and an [[ThrowItIn (unintended)]] in-universe level. On a meta-level, Colin clearly has an strong instinct that something is very wrong indeed with Savile, although obviously he has absolutely zero way of actively knowing just HOW horribly right he is, is[[note]][[https://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/yoursay/opinion/look/10038017.jimmy-savile-was-cold-and-patronising/ to quote the man himself]], "There is[...]a huge difference between finding someone creepy and patronising and suspecting them of being a sexual predator"[[/note]], he still wants to keep Gareth safe and secure with this person in the room. On an in-in-universe level, a fan theory that has been recently gaining some cult popularity through various forums holds that this entire story was created by a fiendish plot by some enemy who taken charge of [[Recap/{{DoctorWhoS6E2TheMindRobber}} The Land of Fiction]], and was attempting to turn the Doctor into a cliché fictional character version of himself played by Colin Baker (which doubles as explaining the inanity of this story as well as why they so abruptly and without warning [[BreakingTheFourthWall break character]]). However, as the theory goes, there was still just enough Doctor left in him to make sure that Savile didn’t get the chance to do anything to Gareth (because, of course, as a time traveller, he would be aware of... the sort of person Savile was).
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* ImprovedByTheReCut: The mini-episode was part of the British series ''Jim'll Fix It'', where children wrote in to have their dreams come true ("Sontarans" being the result of a child writing in to ask if he could meet the Doctor and go inside the TARDIS). After presenter Creator/JimmySavile was posthumously outed as one of the most prolific sexual predators in human history, the DVD of "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS22E4TheTwoDoctors The Two Doctors]]" (which originally included it as a special feature) was quietly re-authored to remove the episode. In 2022, for the Blu-ray boxset of Season 22, a new edit was prepared which divorced the mini-episode from ''Jim'll Fix It'' entirely, replacing Savile's appearance with a new ending realised through CGI and new dialogue recorded by Colin Baker. The new edit is considered much better not only for the obvious reason that it no longer has a sex offender in it, but also because it now genuinely stands up quite well as a part of the show in its own right.

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