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** The anime-exclusive character, Dazu has earned nothing but scorn from fans despite being meant to be a TragicVillain with sympathetic motives. Upon closer examination of her actions and motives, ''everything'' about her falls apart. She has the FreudianExcuse of not having much magic power and people looking down on her for it but Asta wasn't born with any magic either and unlike Dazu and her group, Asta worked hard to become stronger and become a Magic Knight rather than take his frustrations out on the world in completely unproductive ways such as kidnapping or murder. She hates the Magic Knights for being [[AristocratsAreEvil elitist and oppressive]] but the particular Magic Knights she went after, including Asta and Nero, are some of the least elitist people in the series and ''want'' to make changes to the system. To make matters worse, she becomes an on-screen KarmaHoudini who gets to walk after all the trouble she caused and doesn't learn anything from the entire arc. The end result is that Dazu, along with her followers, come off as extremely [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic unlikable and unsympathetic despite being given some humanizing qualities]] and it's not uncommon to see fans wish that they ''do'' make it to the Spade Kingdom so the Dark Triad can hopefully give them the [[SarcasmMode warmest of welcomes]] and the [[KickTheSonOfABitch well-deserved comeuppance]] they never got on-screen. [[labelnote:note - spoilers]]What makes this even more appropriate is that the Dark Triad and their eldest brother were literal nobodies that some people in the present don't even know. And yes, they have immense magic power on their own.[[/labelnote]]

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** The anime-exclusive character, Dazu has earned nothing but scorn from fans despite being meant to be a TragicVillain with sympathetic motives. Upon closer examination of her actions and motives, ''everything'' about her falls apart. She has the FreudianExcuse of not having much magic power and people looking down on her for it but Asta wasn't born with any magic either and unlike Dazu and her group, Asta worked hard to become stronger and become a Magic Knight rather than take his frustrations out on the world in completely unproductive ways such as kidnapping or murder. She hates the Magic Knights for being [[AristocratsAreEvil elitist and oppressive]] but the particular Magic Knights she went after, including Asta and Nero, are some of the least elitist people in the series and ''want'' to make changes to the system. To make matters worse, she becomes an on-screen KarmaHoudini who gets to walk after all the trouble she caused and doesn't learn anything from the entire arc. The end result is that Dazu, along with her followers, come off as extremely [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic unlikable and unsympathetic despite being given some humanizing qualities]] and it's not uncommon to see fans wish that they ''do'' make it to the Spade Kingdom so the Dark Triad can hopefully give them the [[SarcasmMode warmest of welcomes]] and the [[KickTheSonOfABitch well-deserved comeuppance]] comeuppance they never got on-screen. [[labelnote:note - spoilers]]What makes this even more appropriate is that the Dark Triad and their eldest brother were literal nobodies that some people in the present don't even know. And yes, they have immense magic power on their own.[[/labelnote]]
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** With ''Manga/MyHeroAcademia'' as they are the two "post-''Naruto''" spearhead series in the action shonen genre that have a similar premise of an UnSorcerer protagonist getting a special power, with debates often surrounding which manga handles the concept better. While ''Black Clover'' is criticized for its use of clichés, fans of this series claim that ''My Hero Academia'' isn't exactly spotless with its originality either or that [[TropesAreTools originality doesn't always make something inherently better and vice-versa]]. It doesn't help that the two series are both often compared to two of the prior "Big Three", as due to their styles and themes, ''My Hero Academia'' is seen by many as ''Naruto'''s spiritual successor, while ''Black Clover'' is often referred to as "The new ''Manga/{{Bleach}}''". Ironically enough, the creators are friends.

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** With ''Manga/MyHeroAcademia'' as they are the two "post-''Naruto''" spearhead series in the action shonen genre that have a similar premise of an UnSorcerer protagonist getting a special power, ability, with debates often surrounding which manga handles the concept better.better and whether Deku or Asta is the superior protagonist. While ''Black Clover'' is criticized for its use of clichés, fans of this series claim that ''My Hero Academia'' isn't exactly spotless with its originality either or that [[TropesAreTools originality doesn't always make something inherently better and vice-versa]]. It doesn't help that the two series are both often compared to two of the prior "Big Three", as due to their styles and themes, ''My Hero Academia'' is seen by many as ''Naruto'''s spiritual successor, while ''Black Clover'' is often referred to as "The new ''Manga/{{Bleach}}''". Ironically enough, the creators are friends.
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** The trailer for ''Sword of the Wizard King'' features multiple former Wizard Kings of old being brought BackFromTheDead. [[spoiler: [[BigBad Lucius]], who ''shares a soul'' with the current Wizard King, is also bringing past Magic Knights, such as Morgen Faust and Acier Silva, back from the dead as [[AngelicAbomination Paladins]], who proceed to attack the Clover Kingdom directly.]]

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** The trailer for ''Sword of the Wizard King'' features multiple former Wizard Kings of old being brought BackFromTheDead. [[spoiler: [[BigBad Lucius]], who ''shares a soul'' with the current Wizard King, is also bringing past Magic Knights, Knight paragons, such as Morgen Faust and Acier Silva, back from the dead as [[AngelicAbomination Paladins]], who proceed to attack the Clover Kingdom directly.]]
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** The trailer for ''Sword of the Wizard King'' features multiple former Wizard Kings of old being brought BackFromTheDead. [[spoiler: [[BigBad Lucius]], who ''shares a soul'' with the current Wizard King, is also bringing past Magic Knights, such as Morgen Faust and Acier Silva, back from the dead as [[AngelicAbomination Paladins]], who directly attack the Clover Kingdom.]]

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** The trailer for ''Sword of the Wizard King'' features multiple former Wizard Kings of old being brought BackFromTheDead. [[spoiler: [[BigBad Lucius]], who ''shares a soul'' with the current Wizard King, is also bringing past Magic Knights, such as Morgen Faust and Acier Silva, back from the dead as [[AngelicAbomination Paladins]], who directly proceed to attack the Clover Kingdom.Kingdom directly.]]
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** The trailer for ''Sword of the Wizard King'' features multiple former Wizard Kings of old being brought BackFromTheDead. [[spoiler: [[BigBad Lucius]], who ''shares a soul'' with the current Wizard King, is also bringing past Magic Knights, such as Morgen Faust and Acier Silva, back from the dead as [[AngelicAbomination Paladins]], who directly attack the Clover Kingdom.]]
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** In Chapter 354, [[spoiler:Judgement day begins, and Lucius wages war against Clover Kingdom. Among the Paladins he deployed is Morgen, Nacht's dead brother and ''Acier'', the long-dead Silva matriarch.]]
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** Chapter 347, where it's revealed that [[spoiler: Yami Ichika [[BrainwashedAndCrazy unintentionally]] slaughtered her fellow clan members and her brother made himself TheScapegoat to spare her the truth and the guilt,]] released two months after ''Anime/OnePieceFilmRed'', which had a similar plot twist.

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** Chapter 347, where it's revealed that [[spoiler: Yami Ichika [[BrainwashedAndCrazy unintentionally]] unwillingly]] slaughtered her fellow clan members and her brother made himself TheScapegoat to spare her the truth and the guilt,]] released two months after ''Anime/OnePieceFilmRed'', which had a similar plot twist.
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** Chapter 347, where it's revealed that [[spoiler: Yami Ichika [[BrainwashedAndCrazy unintentionally]] massacred her hometown and a surviving family member made himself TheScapegoat to spare her the truth and the guilt,]] released two months after ''Anime/OnePieceFilmRed'', which had a similar plot twist.

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** Chapter 347, where it's revealed that [[spoiler: Yami Ichika [[BrainwashedAndCrazy unintentionally]] massacred slaughtered her hometown fellow clan members and a surviving family member her brother made himself TheScapegoat to spare her the truth and the guilt,]] released two months after ''Anime/OnePieceFilmRed'', which had a similar plot twist.
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** Chapter 347, where it's revealed that [[spoiler: Yami Ichika unintentionally massacred her hometown and a surviving family member made himself TheScapegoat to spare her the truth and the guilt,]] released two months after ''Anime/OnePieceFilmRed'', which had a similar plot twist.

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** Chapter 347, where it's revealed that [[spoiler: Yami Ichika unintentionally [[BrainwashedAndCrazy unintentionally]] massacred her hometown and a surviving family member made himself TheScapegoat to spare her the truth and the guilt,]] released two months after ''Anime/OnePieceFilmRed'', which had a similar plot twist.
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** Chapter 347, where it's revealed that [[spoiler: Yami Ichika unintentionally massacred her hometown and a surviving family member made himself TheScapegoat to spare her the truth and the guilt,]] released two months after ''Anime/OnePieceFilmRed'', which had a similar plot twist.
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** The Wizard King Julius seems like a [[Manga/MyHeroAcademia All-Might]] esque almighty mentor...[[spoiler:until he's revealed to be the other soul of Lucius Zogratis, a literal supervillain who seeks to annihilate humanity and remake all of them into angelic superhumans.]]
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* UnexpectedCharacter: It's safe to say '''nobody''' expected [[spoiler: Heath Grice, the StarterVillain who got beaten by Asta and Noelle on their first mission and [[CyanidePill subesquently offed himself]] soon after, to come BackFromTheDead]] and make a return [[spoiler: as a Paladin under Lucius' service]] in the final arc.

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* UnexpectedCharacter: It's safe to say '''nobody''' expected [[spoiler: Heath Grice, the StarterVillain who got beaten by Asta and Noelle on their first mission and [[CyanidePill subesquently offed himself]] soon after, to come BackFromTheDead]] and make a return [[spoiler: as a Paladin under Lucius' service]] in the final arc.
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** [[Characters/BlackCloverNachtFaust Nacht Faust]], vice-captain of the [[Characters/BlackCloverBlackBulls Black Bulls]], is an intelligent and ruthless Magic Knight who loathes the laidback and carefree Yami. Working as a spy in the [[Characters/BlackCloverSpadeKingdom Spade Kingdom]] for years because of his proficiency in using demonic magic, Nacht then returns to mentor [[Characters/BlackCloverAsta Asta]] when Yami is kidnapped by the Dark Triad. Subtly pushing Asta to become stronger and confront his hidden devil Liebe, Nacht also secretly plans to kill Asta should Liebe take him over. Delighted by Asta actually befriending Liebe, Nacht then provides for the invasion of Spade Kingdom with intelligent scheming to help ensure the complete downfall of the Dark Triad and their schemes.
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* UnexpectedCharacter: It's safe to say '''nobody''' expected [[spoiler: Heath Grice, the StarterVillain who got beaten by Asta and Noelle on their first mission and [[CyanidePill subesquently offed himself]], to come BackFromTheDead]] and make a return [[spoiler: as a Paladin under Lucius' service]] in the final arc.

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* UnexpectedCharacter: It's safe to say '''nobody''' expected [[spoiler: Heath Grice, the StarterVillain who got beaten by Asta and Noelle on their first mission and [[CyanidePill subesquently offed himself]], himself]] soon after, to come BackFromTheDead]] and make a return [[spoiler: as a Paladin under Lucius' service]] in the final arc.
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* UnexpectedCharacter: It's safe to say '''nobody''' expected [[spoiler: Heath Grice, the StarterVillain who got beaten by Asta and Noelle on their first mission and [[CyanidePill subesquently offed himself]], to come BackFromTheDead]] and return [[spoiler: as a Paladin under Lucius' service]] in the final arc.

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* UnexpectedCharacter: It's safe to say '''nobody''' expected [[spoiler: Heath Grice, the StarterVillain who got beaten by Asta and Noelle on their first mission and [[CyanidePill subesquently offed himself]], to come BackFromTheDead]] and make a return [[spoiler: as a Paladin under Lucius' service]] in the final arc.
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* UnexpectedCharacter: It's safe to say '''nobody''' expected [[spoiler: Heath Grice, the StarterVillain who got beaten by Asta and Noelle on their first mission and [[CyanidePill subesquently offed himself]], to come BackFromTheDead]] and return [[spoiler: as a Paladin under Lucius' service]] in the final arc.
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** The [[spoiler: Yami Clan]] patriarch's [[AbusiveParents horrid treatment]] of his daughter [[spoiler: Ichika,]] as detestable as ''that'' was, [[spoiler: pales in comparison to him forcefully drugging her into ''murdering their entire clan'' with a demon soul pill, just because [[WarHawk he was fed up with guarding their ancestor's land and desired war again]]. He shows absolutely no remorse over this, even darkly congratulating her for [[spoiler:living up to their family's namesake when she cuts him down.]]

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** The [[spoiler: Yami Clan]] patriarch's [[AbusiveParents horrid treatment]] of his daughter [[spoiler: Ichika,]] as detestable as ''that'' was, [[spoiler: pales in comparison to him forcefully drugging her into ''murdering their entire clan'' with a demon soul pill, just because [[WarHawk he was fed up with guarding their ancestor's land and desired war again]]. He shows absolutely no remorse over this, even darkly congratulating her for [[spoiler:living living up to their family's namesake when she cuts him down.down in her own rampage.]]
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** The [[spoiler: Yami Clan]] patriarch's [[AbusiveParents horrid treatment]] of his daughter [[spoiler: Ichika,]] as detestable as ''that'' was, [[spoiler: pales in comparison to him forcefully drugging her into ''murdering their entire clan'' with a demon soul pill, just because [[WarHawk he was fed up with guarding their ancestor's land and desired war again]]. He shows absolutely no remorse over this, even darkly congratulating her for living up to their family's namesake when she cuts him down.]]

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** The [[spoiler: Yami Clan]] patriarch's [[AbusiveParents horrid treatment]] of his daughter [[spoiler: Ichika,]] as detestable as ''that'' was, [[spoiler: pales in comparison to him forcefully drugging her into ''murdering their entire clan'' with a demon soul pill, just because [[WarHawk he was fed up with guarding their ancestor's land and desired war again]]. He shows absolutely no remorse over this, even darkly congratulating her for living [[spoiler:living up to their family's namesake when she cuts him down.]]
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** The [[spoiler: Yami Clan]] patriarch's [[AbusiveParents horrid treatment]] of his daughter [[spoiler: Ichika,]] as detestable as ''that'' was, [[spoiler: pales in comparison to him forcefully drugging her into ''murdering their entire clan'' with a demon soul pill, just because [[WarHawk he was fed up with guarding their ancestor's land and desired war again]]. He shows absolutely no remorse over this, even darkly congratulating her for living up to their family's namesake before Sukehiro cuts him down.]]

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** The [[spoiler: Yami Clan]] patriarch's [[AbusiveParents horrid treatment]] of his daughter [[spoiler: Ichika,]] as detestable as ''that'' was, [[spoiler: pales in comparison to him forcefully drugging her into ''murdering their entire clan'' with a demon soul pill, just because [[WarHawk he was fed up with guarding their ancestor's land and desired war again]]. He shows absolutely no remorse over this, even darkly congratulating her for living up to their family's namesake before Sukehiro when she cuts him down.]]
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** The [[spoiler: Yami Clan]] patriarch's [[AbusiveParents horrid treatment]] of his daughter [[spoiler: Ichika,]] as detestable as ''that'' was, [[spoiler: pales in comparison to him forcefully drugging her into ''murdering their entire clan'' with a demon soul pill, just because [[WarHawk he was fed up with guarding their ancestor's land and desired war again]].]] He shows absolutely no remorse over this, even darkly congratulating her for living up to their family's namesake before Sukehiro cuts him down.]]

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** The [[spoiler: Yami Clan]] patriarch's [[AbusiveParents horrid treatment]] of his daughter [[spoiler: Ichika,]] as detestable as ''that'' was, [[spoiler: pales in comparison to him forcefully drugging her into ''murdering their entire clan'' with a demon soul pill, just because [[WarHawk he was fed up with guarding their ancestor's land and desired war again]].]] He shows absolutely no remorse over this, even darkly congratulating her for living up to their family's namesake before Sukehiro cuts him down.]]
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** The [[spoiler: Yami Clan]] patriarch's [[AbusiveParents horrid treatment]] of his daughter [[spoiler: Ichika,]] as detestable as ''that'' was, [[spoiler: pales in comparison to him forcefully drugging her into ''murdering their entire clan'' with a demon soul pill. He shows absolutely no remorse over this, even darkly congratulating her for living up to their family's namesake before Sukehiro cuts him down.]]

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** The [[spoiler: Yami Clan]] patriarch's [[AbusiveParents horrid treatment]] of his daughter [[spoiler: Ichika,]] as detestable as ''that'' was, [[spoiler: pales in comparison to him forcefully drugging her into ''murdering their entire clan'' with a demon soul pill. pill, just because [[WarHawk he was fed up with guarding their ancestor's land and desired war again]].]] He shows absolutely no remorse over this, even darkly congratulating her for living up to their family's namesake before Sukehiro cuts him down.]]
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** The [[spoiler: Yami Clan]] patriarch's [[AbusiveParents horrid treatment]] of his daughter [[spoiler: Ichika,]] as detestable as ''that'' was, [[spoiler: pales in comparison to him forcefully drugging her into ''murdering their entire clan'' with a demon soul pill. He shows absolutely no remorse over this, even darkly congratulating her for living up to their family's namesake before Yami cuts him down.]]

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** The [[spoiler: Yami Clan]] patriarch's [[AbusiveParents horrid treatment]] of his daughter [[spoiler: Ichika,]] as detestable as ''that'' was, [[spoiler: pales in comparison to him forcefully drugging her into ''murdering their entire clan'' with a demon soul pill. He shows absolutely no remorse over this, even darkly congratulating her for living up to their family's namesake before Yami Sukehiro cuts him down.]]
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** The [[spoiler: Yami Clan]] patriarch's [[AbusiveParents horrid treatment]] of his daughter [[spoiler: Ichika,]] as detestable as ''that'' was, [[spoiler: pales in comparison to him forecefully drugging her into ''murdering their entire clan'' with a demon soul pill. He shows absolutely no remorse over this, even darkly congratulating her for living up to their family's namesake before Yami cuts him down.]]

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** The [[spoiler: Yami Clan]] patriarch's [[AbusiveParents horrid treatment]] of his daughter [[spoiler: Ichika,]] as detestable as ''that'' was, [[spoiler: pales in comparison to him forecefully forcefully drugging her into ''murdering their entire clan'' with a demon soul pill. He shows absolutely no remorse over this, even darkly congratulating her for living up to their family's namesake before Yami cuts him down.]]
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** The [[spoiler: Yami Clan]] patriarch's [[AbusiveParents horrid treatment]] of his daughter [[spoiler: Ichika,]] as detestable as ''that'' was, [[spoiler: pales in comparison to him drugging her into ''murdering their entire clan'' with a demon soul pill. He also shows no remorse over this, even darkly congratulating her for living up to their family's namesake before Yami cuts him down.]]

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** The [[spoiler: Yami Clan]] patriarch's [[AbusiveParents horrid treatment]] of his daughter [[spoiler: Ichika,]] as detestable as ''that'' was, [[spoiler: pales in comparison to him forecefully drugging her into ''murdering their entire clan'' with a demon soul pill. He also shows absolutely no remorse over this, even darkly congratulating her for living up to their family's namesake before Yami cuts him down.]]

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** Lucifero merrily skips over this when he [[spoiler: murders Liebe's adoptive mother Licita out of spite.]]

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** Lucifero merrily skips over this when he [[spoiler: murders Liebe's adoptive mother Licita out of spite.sheer spite for Liebe defying him.]]


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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Really, now, how many people truly believed that [[spoiler: Captain Yami slaughtered his entire clan, rather than suffering an unfortunate case of NotWhatItLooksLike?]] [[spoiler:His sister, [[BrainwashedAndCrazy Ichika]], was the one responsible was a genuine surprise to some fans, though.]]

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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Really, now, how many people truly believed that [[spoiler: Captain Yami slaughtered his entire clan, rather than suffering an unfortunate case of NotWhatItLooksLike?]] [[spoiler:His sister, [[BrainwashedAndCrazy Ichika]], was being the one responsible was a genuine surprise to some fans, though.]]
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* AcceptableTargets: Nobility is not portrayed positively in ''Black Clover''. For the most part, with some characters growing out of it, they are arrogant, classist, and elitist, using their higher magical power as a reason to act superior to peasants. Even commoner Magic Knights face discrimination from their comrades. High-born families like the Silva, Vaude, and Legolant houses disown their children if they don't meet their standards as mages. Many noble Magic Knights abuse their position and power, with Zora becoming a vigilante after he saw two of them try to rape a waitress as a reward. It's also established that most nobles are lazy, looking down on hard work as something only commoners do and never reaching their full magical potential as a result.

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