Follow TV Tropes

Following

History YMMV / Ben10AlienForce

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** "¡HUMONGOSAURIOOO!" [[labelnote: explanation]] In the lationamerican fandom, Humongosaurio (humongosaur latinoamerican spanish name) gained quite the reputation due to Ben's immense favoritism and wanting to use it at every opportunity he gets over his more obscure, powerful aliens, something which started in Season 3 of Alien Force and up to Omniverse. common jokes involve Ben wanting to get a tattoo to show how much he loves the alien.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Rath is an alien in the form of a wrestling tiger. Perhaps he's the basis of [[VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon Incineroar]]?

Changed: 78

Removed: 260

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Has been made into a disambiguation.


* EvilIsCool: The show debuted some of the most memorable villains of the franchise. [[KnightOfCerebus The Highbreed]], [[TheSociopath Darkstar]], [[EvilOverlord The Incursians]], [[DirtyCoward Argit]], and [[EvilTwin Albedo]] are maybe the most memorable with the last four making plenty of appearances in both sequel series (Omniverse being the one that had a very different showrunner). Darkstar became so popular he managed to remain as part of the villain cast for the [[WesternAnimation/Ben102016 Reboot series]].
* EvilIsSexy:
** Charmcaster is still both evil and very beautiful. Ben and Kevin even lampshade it in the episode she appears in.
-->'''Ben''': Was she cute?
-->'''Kevin''': More than cute; hot!
** Michael Morningstar too, when he doesn't have his zombified face.

to:

* EvilIsCool: The show debuted some of the most memorable villains of the franchise. [[KnightOfCerebus The Highbreed]], [[TheSociopath Darkstar]], [[EvilOverlord The Incursians]], [[DirtyCoward Argit]], and [[EvilTwin Albedo]] are maybe the most memorable with the last four making plenty of appearances in both sequel series (Omniverse being the one that had a very different showrunner). Darkstar became so popular he managed to remain as part of the villain cast for the [[WesternAnimation/Ben102016 Reboot series]].
* EvilIsSexy:
** Charmcaster is still both evil and very beautiful. Ben and Kevin even lampshade it in the episode she appears in.
-->'''Ben''': Was she cute?
-->'''Kevin''': More than cute; hot!
** Michael Morningstar too, when he doesn't have his zombified face.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* BaseBreakingCharacter: The ten new aliens Ben gets at the beginning of the show started out as this, due to most of them having powers that were essentially combinations of previous forms. Some fans saw them as blatant and lazy rip-offs, other perceived it as a clever way to have Ben get new aliens while still retaining a set of powers they were familiar with, and believed the powers had been merged creatively enough to make them interesting. However, with time they have come to be accepted by the fandom (some like Big Chill even becoming {{Ensemble Darkhorse}}s), and those who still criticize them as rip-offs now mostly consists of really hard-core Original Series fans.

to:

* BaseBreakingCharacter: The ten new aliens Ben gets at himself became a major one in the beginning of the show started out as this, third season due to most ExecutiveMeddling forcing a complete overhaul of them having powers that were essentially combinations of previous forms. Some his personality and growth, taking major levels in both [[TookALevelInDumbass dumbass]] and [[TookALevelInJerkass jerkass]] to make him act more like he did in the original series. Many fans saw them as dislike such blatant character regression and lazy rip-offs, other perceived feel it as makes him completely unbearable in this season, especially when his behavior is far less acceptable from a clever way to have Ben get new aliens while still retaining teenager than a set of powers they were familiar with, and believed the powers had been merged creatively enough to make them interesting. child. However, with time they have come to be accepted by the fandom (some like Big Chill even becoming {{Ensemble Darkhorse}}s), and those who others still criticize them find him a redeemable character overall and point to the many moments in the season where he proves he's still a hero at heart, arguing his competence and immaturity become more balanced as rip-offs now mostly consists of really hard-core Original Series fans.the series goes on.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Main characters cannot be scrappies


** Ben Tennyson in Season 3. Due to Alien Force not performing as well as the original series, ExecutiveMeddling forced the writers to portray Ben more like his child self. As such, Ben lost much of his maturity and growth from the first two seasons as he became arrogant, juvenile, and selfish. However, while such behavior is understandable from children due to their lack of experience, the same behavior in the now teenage Ben made him unlikable to the fandom and heavily contributed to the SeasonalRot of Season 3.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*ItWasHisSled: The mere appearance of Alien X was hidden until the season 1 finale, but now it and the fact that he has reality warping powers are well-known thanks to being a prominent point in who would win fights involving Ben Tennyson.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
There is no rule preventing main characters from being consisered as The Scrappy. While it is rare, it is possible for that to occur. Scrappy Doo himself was one of the main characters of the Scooby Doo franchise in various installments. To be consisered a Scrappy, the following critera must be met. Unintentionally hated by the audience: Ben Tennyson qualifies as as his characterization in season 3 was intented to "fix" what fans didn't like about him in an attempt to realign his character with his child self. Needless to say, it did not work at all and Ultimate Alien worked to find a middle ground to partially undo this characterization. Hated by the majority of the audience: While no concensus is universal, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who liked how Ben was written in Season 3. Fans of Alien Force hated it for undoing all his growth and maturity and non-fans of Alien Force just don't care for or like this version of Ben at all. A single hated character: Ben Tennyson is a singlular character. Hated for narrative reasons: As aforementioned, fans hate this version of Ben because his persobnality was regressed into a immature, junville, and borderline nacrasstic person to make him more like his child self; while greatly downplaying all his positive traits. In this season, he was deeply irresponsible, highly inconsiserate (espically to Julie), and was bursting to the brim with ego. It was so bad that even the characters in-universe occasionally acknowledged how bad he got. Hated by the fans of the work: While Alien Force is a contentious entry in the franchise, it does have a sizable and healthy fanbase... for seasons 1-2. Season 3 is widely recognized and acknowledged as suffering from Seasonal rot, and one of the primary principle complaints is Ben Tennyson's characterization. Consistently hated: I will admit this is the one thing that come close to disqualifying Ben Tennyson, as the negative reception is mostly confined to Season 3 and does not apply to Ben Tennyson across the whole show or franchise. Which is why, it was specified that this Scrappy status was solely referring to his Season 3 characterization, which as established is consistently one of the most disliked aspects of the show.

Added DiffLines:

** Ben Tennyson in Season 3. Due to Alien Force not performing as well as the original series, ExecutiveMeddling forced the writers to portray Ben more like his child self. As such, Ben lost much of his maturity and growth from the first two seasons as he became arrogant, juvenile, and selfish. However, while such behavior is understandable from children due to their lack of experience, the same behavior in the now teenage Ben made him unlikable to the fandom and heavily contributed to the SeasonalRot of Season 3.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Main characters cannot be Scrappies


** Ben Tennyson in Season 3. Due to Alien Force not performing as well as the original series, ExecutiveMeddling forced the writers to portray Ben more like his child self. As such, Ben lost much of his maturity and growth from the first two seasons as he became arrogant, juvenile, and selfish. However, while such behavior is understandable from children due to their lack of experience, the same behavior in the now teenage Ben made him unlikable to the fandom and heavily contributed to the SeasonalRot of Season 3.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
renamed


* DamselScrappy: Julie is perceived like this by some fans, but it's mostly an undeserved reputation caused by WhatMeasureIsANonBadass; she actually got kidnapped only thrice over the course of ''five'' seasons, which is fairly low as far as Super-Heroes' {{Love Interest}}s go, and, by the time she got Ship, she was perfectly capable of defending herself of her own.

to:

* DamselScrappy: Julie is perceived like this by some fans, but it's mostly an undeserved reputation caused by WhatMeasureIsANonBadass; being NotBadassEnoughForFans; she actually got kidnapped only thrice over the course of ''five'' seasons, which is fairly low as far as Super-Heroes' {{Love Interest}}s go, and, by the time she got Ship, she was perfectly capable of defending herself of her own.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* ValuesResonance: Let's just say the central conflict of the Highbreed arc, a group of racial supremacists who seek to maintain their "purity" at the cost of diverse beings and thought is something that grown in appreciation since the series' original airing.

to:

* ValuesResonance: Let's just say the central conflict of the Highbreed arc, a group of racial supremacists who seek to maintain their "purity" at the cost of diverse beings and thought is something that that's grown in appreciation since the series' original airing.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* BaseBreakingCharacter: The ten new aliens Ben gets at the beginning of the show started out as this, due to most of them having powers that were essentially combinations of previous forms. Some fans saw them as blatant and lazy rip-offs, other perceived it as a clever way to have Ben get new aliens while still retaining a set of powers they were familiar with, and believed the powers had been merged creatively enough to make them interesting. However, with time they have come to be accepted by the fandom (some like Big Chill even becoming {{Ensemble Darkhorse}}s), and those who still criticize them as rip-off now mostly consists of really hard-core Original Series fans.

to:

* BaseBreakingCharacter: The ten new aliens Ben gets at the beginning of the show started out as this, due to most of them having powers that were essentially combinations of previous forms. Some fans saw them as blatant and lazy rip-offs, other perceived it as a clever way to have Ben get new aliens while still retaining a set of powers they were familiar with, and believed the powers had been merged creatively enough to make them interesting. However, with time they have come to be accepted by the fandom (some like Big Chill even becoming {{Ensemble Darkhorse}}s), and those who still criticize them as rip-off rip-offs now mostly consists of really hard-core Original Series fans.


* AcceptableProfessionalTargets: In "Fool's Gold," when the corrupt mayor opens fire on the trio with a laser pistol when they discover his evil scheme, Kevin quips that ''this'' is why everybody hates politicians.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* CharacterRerailment: Vilgax's characterization and voice (though the voice was done by Creator/JamesRemar rather than by Creator/SteveBlum) were a bit closer to how he was originally portrayed in [[WesternAnimation/Ben10 the original series]] in the video game ''Vilgax Attacks!''.

to:

* CharacterRerailment: Vilgax's characterization and voice (though the voice was done by Creator/JamesRemar Creator/JohnDiMaggio rather than by Creator/SteveBlum) were a bit closer to how he was originally portrayed in [[WesternAnimation/Ben10 the original series]] in the video game ''Vilgax Attacks!''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*** Speaking of which, the idea of stopping an AxCrazy Ben could've been useful for an entire arc of its own. Instead ,it's all a SecretTestOfCharacter.

to:

*** Speaking of which, the idea of stopping an AxCrazy Ben could've been useful for an entire arc of its own. Instead ,it's Instead, it's all a SecretTestOfCharacter.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Ben Tennyson in Season 3. Due to Alien Force not performing as well as the original series, ExecutiveMeddling forced the writers to portray Ben more like his child self. As such, Ben lost much of his maturity and growth from the first two seasons as he became arrogant, juvenile, and selfish. However, while such behavior is understandable from children due to their lack of experience, the same behavior in the now teenage Ben made him unlikable to the fandom and heavily contributed to the SeasonalRot of Season 3.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Been mulling on this idea that came up on the Ink Tank.

Added DiffLines:

** With the reveal in ''Omniverse'' that the Appoplexians (Rath's species) are in conflict with the Lewodans and the previous coincidences and story details that imply the Omnitrix's addition of alien forms isn't completely random, was the Tiffan's electromagnetism affecting the Omnitrix the only reason that Ben unlocked Rath? Did the Omnitrix unlock Rath as an attempt to also facilitate peace between the two species by having Ben become one to assist the other, per the Omnitrix's origin, in part, as a means for galactic peace? Or was it the opposite, and the Appoplexian sample in the Omnitrix came out because it wanted to fight one of its origin species rivals a la the idea of Cannonbolt being unlocked to avenge his species against the Tick?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*** Furthermore, in "Ghost Town", was Zs'Skayr betraying Vilgax and taking over his homeworld truly a result of Vilgax's underestimation of Zs'Skayr biting him in the ass? Or did Vilgax actually predict and intend for that to happen all along [[EngineeredHeroics so that he could stylize himself as a hero when he took his world back from Zs'Skayr]]?

to:

*** Furthermore, in "Ghost Town", was Zs'Skayr betraying Vilgax and taking over his homeworld truly a result of Vilgax's underestimation Vilgax underestimating of Zs'Skayr's treacherousness and evil, as Vilgax claimed? Or was everything Zs'Skayr biting him in the ass? Or did to Vilgax actually predict and intend for that to happen all along his people a BatmanGambit from the beginning [[EngineeredHeroics so that he Vilgax could stylize himself as a hero when he took his world back from defeated Zs'Skayr]]? The fact that Vilgax resorted to allying with his sworn enemy to stop Zs'Skayr supports the former interpretation.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*** Furthermore, in "Ghost Town", was Zs'Skayr betraying Vilgax and taking over his homeworld truly a result of Vilgax's underestimation of Zs'Skayr biting him in the ass? Or did Vilgax actually predict and intend for that to happen all along [[EngineeredHeroics so that he could stylize himself as a hero when he took his world back from Zs'Skayr]]?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* SignatureScene: The Omnitrix's recalibration and Ben transforming into Swampfire is the most iconic moment from this series.

to:

* SignatureScene: The Omnitrix's recalibration and Ben transforming into Swampfire for the first time is the most iconic moment from this series.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Signature Scene: The Omnitrix's recalibration and Ben transforming into Swampfire is the most iconic moment from this series.

to:

* Signature Scene: SignatureScene: The Omnitrix's recalibration and Ben transforming into Swampfire is the most iconic moment from this series.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** "I don't recognize any of these guys."


Added DiffLines:

* Signature Scene: The Omnitrix's recalibration and Ben transforming into Swampfire is the most iconic moment from this series.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* MemeticMolester: Darkstar could almost rival [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans Slade]] in this department. Really, you could make reasonable arguments that fanfics depicting him as a rapist are not ''that'' OutOfCharacter with him, especially since he canonically ''is'' a stalker toward Gwen.

to:

* MemeticMolester: Darkstar could almost rival [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans2003 Slade]] in this department. Really, you could make reasonable arguments that fanfics depicting him as a rapist are not ''that'' OutOfCharacter with him, especially since he canonically ''is'' a stalker toward Gwen.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* OlderThanTheyThink: The episode "Ghost Town" wasn't the first time Zs'Skayr and Vilgax [[VideoGame/Ben10ProtectorOfEarth interacted.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: The general opinion is that this happened to Julie midway through the second season thanks to the show developing her bond with [[CoolPet Ship]].

to:

* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: The general opinion is that this happened to Julie midway through the second season thanks to the show developing her bond with [[CoolPet Ship]].Ship.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Direct link


* NeverLiveItDown: While Vilgax ''did'' suffer DiminishingVillainThreat in ''Alien Force'', he still had his share of badass moments, including having a CurbStompBattle with all the Plumbers Helpers ''and Max'', defeating several of Ben's most powerful alien forms (Jetray, Big Chill, Humongousaur and Chromastone) one after the others, destroying a whole ship of his own to free Ghostfreak, having a decent fight with Ghostfreak (which [[spoiler:he won]]), and [[spoiler:actually getting the Omnitrix in the finale, which led to the show's DarkestHour.]] However, the only things most fans retain about Vilgax in ''Alien Force'' are that he was following a Galactic Code (even through both the series and WordOfGod show he did it only out of PragmaticVillainy), [[spoiler: that he got defeated by Diamondhead, who couldn't even scratch him before, and that he had a ridiculous-looking "true form"]].

to:

* NeverLiveItDown: While Vilgax ''did'' suffer DiminishingVillainThreat VillainDecay in ''Alien Force'', he still had his share of badass moments, including having a CurbStompBattle with all the Plumbers Helpers ''and Max'', defeating several of Ben's most powerful alien forms (Jetray, Big Chill, Humongousaur and Chromastone) one after the others, destroying a whole ship of his own to free Ghostfreak, having a decent fight with Ghostfreak (which [[spoiler:he won]]), and [[spoiler:actually getting the Omnitrix in the finale, which led to the show's DarkestHour.]] However, the only things most fans retain about Vilgax in ''Alien Force'' are that he was following a Galactic Code (even through both the series and WordOfGod show he did it only out of PragmaticVillainy), [[spoiler: that he got defeated by Diamondhead, who couldn't even scratch him before, and that he had a ridiculous-looking "true form"]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:


* AcceptableProfessionalTargets: In "Fool's Gold," when the CorruptHick mayor opens fire on the trio with a laser pistol when they discover his evil scheme, Kevin quips that ''this'' is why everybody hates politicians.

to:

* AcceptableProfessionalTargets: In "Fool's Gold," when the CorruptHick corrupt mayor opens fire on the trio with a laser pistol when they discover his evil scheme, Kevin quips that ''this'' is why everybody hates politicians.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** While it's generally agreed that [[SeasonalRot the third season is inferior]] for making Ben immature and having several underwhelming episodes, there are fans who don't think the third season is that bad and bring up good things that season did such as introducing [[EnsembleDarkHorse Rath]].

to:

** While it's generally agreed that [[SeasonalRot the third season is inferior]] for making Ben immature and having several underwhelming episodes, there are fans who don't think the third season is that bad and bring up good things that season did in order to defend it, such as introducing [[EnsembleDarkHorse Rath]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** While it's generally agreed that [[SeasonalRot the third season is inferior]] for making Ben immature and several underwhelming episodes, there are fans who don't think the third season is that bad and bring up good things that season did such as introducing [[EnsembleDarkHorse Rath]].

to:

** While it's generally agreed that [[SeasonalRot the third season is inferior]] for making Ben immature and having several underwhelming episodes, there are fans who don't think the third season is that bad and bring up good things that season did such as introducing [[EnsembleDarkHorse Rath]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** While it's generally agreed that [[SeasonalRot the third season is inferior]] for making Ben immature and several underwhelming episodes, there are fans who don't think the third season is that bad and bring up good things that season did such as introducing [[EnsembleDarkHorse Rath]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:


* {{Narm}}:
** Vilgax's so-called ultimate form? [[spoiler:A giant green octopus.]] It’s sad because it could have been a great scene if not for limited efforts on the design and a fight that is not even seen on screen.
** Ragnarok pretty much loses all credibility when it’s revealed the key he was looking for [[spoiler:goes in his ''forehead'']].
** The name "Plumber" worked in the Original Series because it was a codename used by a secret government organization. This show had them upgraded to SpacePolice whose existence was pretty much common knowledge in most of the galaxy, making the name lose its original context and as such now sound ridiculous and out of place.

Top