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Not only has he been deposed and forced to return to a life of poverty and mediocrity, but he also believes that he's resposible for the death of his only child. So, he waits until the balloon's well and truly outside Oz's borders, and jumps. Unfortunately for him- and all of Oz-, he ends up surviving thanks to the intervention of [[Film/ReturnToOz the Nome King]], who offers him a quick death in exchange for information on the political situation in Oz; once the Wizard has finished babbling out everything he knows, the King [[JediTruth adds him to his ornament collection]] and begins planning for the invasion...
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Not only has he been deposed and forced to return to a life of poverty and mediocrity, but he also believes that he's resposible for the death of his only child. So, he waits until the balloon's well and truly outside Oz's borders, and jumps. Unfortunately for him- and all of Oz-, he ends up surviving thanks to the intervention of [[Film/ReturnToOz the Nome King]], who offers him a quick death in exchange for information on the political situation in Oz; once the Wizard has finished babbling out everything he knows, the King [[JediTruth [[MetaphoricallyTrue adds him to his ornament collection]] and begins planning for the invasion...
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[[WMG: Schwartz wrote this play for no reason but to make something that [[Main/SubvertedTrope plays havoc with our expectations]].]]
Every time Wicked is mentioned in something, it's always, "You'd think that X song would apply here, but it doesn't because of this"; and then everything falls into [[Main/ThreadMode interesting debates]] about [[Main/ContemplateOurNavels the philosophy of good and evil]]. About the only song that's avoided this is "[[Main/IWantSong The Wizard and I]]," but Schwartz [[Main/AllThereInTheManual has stated in ''The Grimmerie'']] that it's there because there's always a song like that as the second or third song.
Every time Wicked is mentioned in something, it's always, "You'd think that X song would apply here, but it doesn't because of this"; and then everything falls into [[Main/ThreadMode interesting debates]] about [[Main/ContemplateOurNavels the philosophy of good and evil]]. About the only song that's avoided this is "[[Main/IWantSong The Wizard and I]]," but Schwartz [[Main/AllThereInTheManual has stated in ''The Grimmerie'']] that it's there because there's always a song like that as the second or third song.
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[[WMG: Schwartz wrote this play for no reason but to make something that [[Main/SubvertedTrope plays havoc with our expectations]].expectations.]]
Every time Wicked is mentioned in something, it's always, "You'd think that X song would apply here, but it doesn't because of this"; and then everything falls into[[Main/ThreadMode [[Administrivia/ThreadMode interesting debates]] about [[Main/ContemplateOurNavels [[ContemplateOurNavels the philosophy of good and evil]]. About the only song that's avoided this is "[[Main/IWantSong "[[IWantSong The Wizard and I]]," but Schwartz [[Main/AllThereInTheManual [[AllThereInTheManual has stated in ''The Grimmerie'']] that it's there because there's always a song like that as the second or third song.
Every time Wicked is mentioned in something, it's always, "You'd think that X song would apply here, but it doesn't because of this"; and then everything falls into
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** I think it's Mombie. [[Film/ReturnToOz I wonder how many heads she had by then?]] Anyway, if Tip/Ozma already exists in ''Wicked''!Oz seems that the author thisclose to [[BuryYourGays a tragic ending]] for Liir and [[strike: [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Kaworu]] ]] Trism, the only character - and coincidentally his only male love interest - whom Liir felt he had an emotional connection with. That sort of development seems at odds with the author's real life loving relationship with his partner/husband and their three kids.
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** I think it's Mombie. [[Film/ReturnToOz I wonder how many heads she had by then?]] Anyway, if Tip/Ozma already exists in ''Wicked''!Oz seems that the author thisclose this close to [[BuryYourGays a tragic ending]] for Liir and [[strike: [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Kaworu]] ]] Trism, the only character - and coincidentally his only male love interest - whom Liir felt he had an emotional connection with. That sort of development seems at odds with the author's real life loving relationship with his partner/husband and their three kids.
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* Additionally, given the above point, the topic of Elphaba may be a combination of ItsPersonal and BerserkButton. He may lose nearly all grips of logical thought and become almost entirely focused on revenge.
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* Additionally, given the above point, the topic of Elphaba may be a combination of ItsPersonal and BerserkButton. He may lose nearly all grips of logical thought and become almost entirely focused on revenge.
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[[WMG: In the musical, Boq isn't as bad as he comes across [[spoiler: following his transformation into the Tin Man.]]
[[spoiler: Now I know this will come across like I'm giving Boq the DracoInLeatherPants treatment, but I'm not. Just think about it - he, like the rest of Oz, is duped by the Wizard and Morrible into believing that Elphaba is wicked and that they're good. And, unlike Glinda and Fiyero, he has no way of knowing that he's being lied to; remember, even Nessarose, Elphaba's ''own sister'' thought that she had gone off the deep end. Also, considering he believed Nessa, it's possible that he doesn't remember the moments leading up to his transformation - meaning that, for all he knows, he just ''woke up'' like that thanks to a curse from the wickedest person in all of Oz. So, in his mind, he has every right to hate Elphaba. Also, Nessa literally enslaved him into being her personal servant just so [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty she can have him near her at all times]], which I ''know'' is in no way whatsoever Elphaba's fault, but it probably doesn't endear that much to him, either.]]
[[spoiler: Now I know this will come across like I'm giving Boq the DracoInLeatherPants treatment, but I'm not. Just think about it - he, like the rest of Oz, is duped by the Wizard and Morrible into believing that Elphaba is wicked and that they're good. And, unlike Glinda and Fiyero, he has no way of knowing that he's being lied to; remember, even Nessarose, Elphaba's ''own sister'' thought that she had gone off the deep end. Also, considering he believed Nessa, it's possible that he doesn't remember the moments leading up to his transformation - meaning that, for all he knows, he just ''woke up'' like that thanks to a curse from the wickedest person in all of Oz. So, in his mind, he has every right to hate Elphaba. Also, Nessa literally enslaved him into being her personal servant just so [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty she can have him near her at all times]], which I ''know'' is in no way whatsoever Elphaba's fault, but it probably doesn't endear that much to him, either.]]
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[[WMG: In the musical, Boq isn't as bad as he comes across [[spoiler: following his transformation into the Tin Man.]]
[[spoiler:]]]]
Now I know this will come across like I'mgiving trying to give Boq the DracoInLeatherPants treatment, but I'm not. Just think about it - he, Here's my reasoning:
*He, like the rest of Oz, is duped by the Wizard and Morrible into believing that Elphaba is wicked and that they're good. And, unlike Glinda and Fiyero, he has no way of knowing that he's being lied to; remember, even Nessarose, Elphaba's ''own sister'' thought that she had gone off the deep end. [[spoiler: Also, considering that he believed Nessa, it's possible that he doesn't remember the moments leading up to his transformation - meaning that, for all he knows, he just ''woke up'' like that thanks to a curse from the wickedest person in all ofOz. Oz.]] So, in his mind, he has every right to hate Elphaba. Also, Nessa Elphaba.
*Additionally, given the above point, the topic of Elphaba may be a combination of ItsPersonal and BerserkButton. He may lose nearly all grips of logical thought and become almost entirely focused on revenge.
*Nessa literally enslaved him into being her personal servant just so [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty she can have him near her at all times]], which I ''know'' is in no way whatsoever Elphaba's fault, but it probably doesn't endear her that much to him,either.]]either.
*The only time he displays his new personality is "March of the Witch Hunters", where he's specifically trying to rally an angry mob.
*At that point in time, Dorothy is being held captive by Elphaba, so BigBrotherInstinct might be coming into play. Having the little girl you've been traveling with being kidnapped by your world's #1 terrorist who is also responsible for your [[spoiler: most likely incredibly traumatic transformation]] can't be the most pleasant experience.
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Now I know this will come across like I'm
*He, like the rest of Oz, is duped by the Wizard and Morrible into believing that Elphaba is wicked and that they're good. And, unlike Glinda and Fiyero, he has no way of knowing that he's being lied to; remember, even Nessarose, Elphaba's ''own sister'' thought that she had gone off the deep end. [[spoiler: Also, considering that he believed Nessa, it's possible that he doesn't remember the moments leading up to his transformation - meaning that, for all he knows, he just ''woke up'' like that thanks to a curse from the wickedest person in all of
*Additionally, given the above point, the topic of Elphaba may be a combination of ItsPersonal and BerserkButton. He may lose nearly all grips of logical thought and become almost entirely focused on revenge.
*Nessa literally enslaved him into being her personal servant just so [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty she can have him near her at all times]], which I ''know'' is in no way whatsoever Elphaba's fault, but it probably doesn't endear her that much to him,
*The only time he displays his new personality is "March of the Witch Hunters", where he's specifically trying to rally an angry mob.
*At that point in time, Dorothy is being held captive by Elphaba, so BigBrotherInstinct might be coming into play. Having the little girl you've been traveling with being kidnapped by your world's #1 terrorist who is also responsible for your [[spoiler: most likely incredibly traumatic transformation]] can't be the most pleasant experience.
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[[WMG: Elphaba is going to found some sort of Peace Corps-esque organization in whatever universe she's in now.]]
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[[WMG: Elphaba is going to found some sort of Peace Corps-esque organization in whatever universe she's in now.]]
[[WMG: In the musical, Boq isn't as bad as he comes across [[spoiler: following his transformation into the Tin Man.]]
[[spoiler: Now I know this will come across like I'm giving Boq the DracoInLeatherPants treatment, but I'm not. Just think about it - he, like the rest of Oz, is duped by the Wizard and Morrible into believing that Elphaba is wicked and that they're good. And, unlike Glinda and Fiyero, he has no way of knowing that he's being lied to; remember, even Nessarose, Elphaba's ''own sister'' thought that she had gone off the deep end. Also, considering he believed Nessa, it's possible that he doesn't remember the moments leading up to his transformation - meaning that, for all he knows, he just ''woke up'' like that thanks to a curse from the wickedest person in all of Oz. So, in his mind, he has every right to hate Elphaba. Also, Nessa literally enslaved him into being her personal servant just so [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty she can have him near her at all times]], which I ''know'' is in no way whatsoever Elphaba's fault, but it probably doesn't endear that much to him, either.]]
[[WMG: In the musical, Boq isn't as bad as he comes across [[spoiler: following his transformation into the Tin Man.]]
[[spoiler: Now I know this will come across like I'm giving Boq the DracoInLeatherPants treatment, but I'm not. Just think about it - he, like the rest of Oz, is duped by the Wizard and Morrible into believing that Elphaba is wicked and that they're good. And, unlike Glinda and Fiyero, he has no way of knowing that he's being lied to; remember, even Nessarose, Elphaba's ''own sister'' thought that she had gone off the deep end. Also, considering he believed Nessa, it's possible that he doesn't remember the moments leading up to his transformation - meaning that, for all he knows, he just ''woke up'' like that thanks to a curse from the wickedest person in all of Oz. So, in his mind, he has every right to hate Elphaba. Also, Nessa literally enslaved him into being her personal servant just so [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty she can have him near her at all times]], which I ''know'' is in no way whatsoever Elphaba's fault, but it probably doesn't endear that much to him, either.]]
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[[WMG: [[Film/StarTrek Gaila]] is a descendant of Elphaba.]]
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[[WMG: [[Film/StarTrek [[Film/StarTrek2009 Gaila]] is a descendant of Elphaba.]]
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** I think it's Mombie. [[ReturnToOz I wonder how many heads she had by then?]] Anyway, if Tip/Ozma already exists in ''Wicked''!Oz seems that the author thisclose to [[BuryYourGays a tragic ending]] for Liir and [[strike: [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Kaworu]] ]] Trism, the only character - and coincidentally his only male love interest - whom Liir felt he had an emotional connection with. That sort of development seems at odds with the author's real life loving relationship with his partner/husband and their three kids.
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** I think it's Mombie. [[ReturnToOz [[Film/ReturnToOz I wonder how many heads she had by then?]] Anyway, if Tip/Ozma already exists in ''Wicked''!Oz seems that the author thisclose to [[BuryYourGays a tragic ending]] for Liir and [[strike: [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Kaworu]] ]] Trism, the only character - and coincidentally his only male love interest - whom Liir felt he had an emotional connection with. That sort of development seems at odds with the author's real life loving relationship with his partner/husband and their three kids.
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Not only has he been deposed and forced to return to a life of poverty and mediocrity, but he also believes that he's resposible for the death of his only child. So, he waits until the balloon's well and truly outside Oz's borders, and jumps. Unfortunately for him- and all of Oz-, he ends up surviving thanks to the intervention of [[ReturnToOz the Nome King]], who offers him a quick death in exchange for information on the political situation in Oz; once the Wizard has finished babbling out everything he knows, the King [[JediTruth adds him to his ornament collection]] and begins planning for the invasion...
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Not only has he been deposed and forced to return to a life of poverty and mediocrity, but he also believes that he's resposible for the death of his only child. So, he waits until the balloon's well and truly outside Oz's borders, and jumps. Unfortunately for him- and all of Oz-, he ends up surviving thanks to the intervention of [[ReturnToOz [[Film/ReturnToOz the Nome King]], who offers him a quick death in exchange for information on the political situation in Oz; once the Wizard has finished babbling out everything he knows, the King [[JediTruth adds him to his ornament collection]] and begins planning for the invasion...
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If Elphaba returns she'll [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion crush/strangle Trism to death if he betrays Liir]] in a fit of {{Mama Bear}}ishness. Dorthy, Candle, etc. will make {{Heroic Sacrifice}}s (or maybe just [[StupidSacrifice stupid ones]]) that'll help cause the downfall of Oz due to Elphaba, Fiyero, and Galinda's GambitPileup. [[spoiler: Liir and Candle's daughter will be an ultra MoralityPet.]] Oz eventually becomes the Comicbook/{{Watchmen}} universe, which creates Dr. Manhattan who creates the NGE universe, which creates Rei who becomes {{Instrumentality}} which becomes the [[Literature/TheWonderfulWizardOfOz "original" Oz(s)]] inside her while she creates [[Series/BattlestarGalactica2003 another, other, *other* Earth, which sends colonies to 12 planets]], etc. etc. until all this comes down to [[RealLife us]], who create all these stories again.
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If Elphaba returns she'll [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion crush/strangle Trism to death if he betrays Liir]] in a fit of {{Mama Bear}}ishness. Dorthy, Candle, etc. will make {{Heroic Sacrifice}}s (or maybe just [[StupidSacrifice stupid ones]]) that'll help cause the downfall of Oz due to Elphaba, Fiyero, and Galinda's GambitPileup. [[spoiler: Liir and Candle's daughter will be an ultra MoralityPet.]] Oz eventually becomes the Comicbook/{{Watchmen}} universe, which creates Dr. Manhattan who creates the NGE universe, which creates Rei who becomes {{Instrumentality}} [[AssimilationPlot Instrumentality]] which becomes the [[Literature/TheWonderfulWizardOfOz "original" Oz(s)]] inside her while she creates [[Series/BattlestarGalactica2003 another, other, *other* Earth, which sends colonies to 12 planets]], etc. etc. until all this comes down to [[RealLife us]], who create all these stories again.
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[[WMG:Liir, being an {{Expy}} for [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Shinji Ikari]], will try to use the Deadly Desert or nearest equivalent to cause an irritating version of Main/{{Instrumentality}}.]]
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[[WMG:Liir, being an {{Expy}} for [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Shinji Ikari]], will try to use the Deadly Desert or nearest equivalent to cause an irritating version of Main/{{Instrumentality}}.[[AssimilationPlot Instrumentality]].]]
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According to the LandOfOz, all animals can talk once they enter Oz. Here, though, it's very clear some Animals talk, and some animals can't. It's possible that, in time immemorial, some Earth beasts got stranded in Oz as Dorothy did, and gained the power of speech, giving rise to the many breeds of Animal.
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According to the LandOfOz, Literature/LandOfOz, all animals can talk once they enter Oz. Here, though, it's very clear some Animals talk, and some animals can't. It's possible that, in time immemorial, some Earth beasts got stranded in Oz as Dorothy did, and gained the power of speech, giving rise to the many breeds of Animal.
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If Elphaba returns she'll [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion crush/strangle Trism to death if he betrays Liir]] in a fit of {{Mama Bear}}ishness. Dorthy, Candle, etc. will make {{Heroic Sacrifice}}s (or maybe just [[StupidSacrifice stupid ones]]) that'll help cause the downfall of Oz due to Elphaba, Fiyero, and Galinda's GambitPileup. [[spoiler: Liir and Candle's daughter will be an ultra MoralityPet.]] Oz eventually becomes the Comicbook/{{Watchmen}} universe, which creates Dr. Manhattan who creates the NGE universe, which creates Rei who becomes {{Instrumentality}} which becomes the [[Literature/TheWonderfulWizardOfOz "original" Oz(s)]] inside her while she creates [[Series/BattlestarGalacticaReimagined another, other, *other* Earth, which sends colonies to 12 planets]], etc. etc. until all this comes down to [[RealLife us]], who create all these stories again.
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If Elphaba returns she'll [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion crush/strangle Trism to death if he betrays Liir]] in a fit of {{Mama Bear}}ishness. Dorthy, Candle, etc. will make {{Heroic Sacrifice}}s (or maybe just [[StupidSacrifice stupid ones]]) that'll help cause the downfall of Oz due to Elphaba, Fiyero, and Galinda's GambitPileup. [[spoiler: Liir and Candle's daughter will be an ultra MoralityPet.]] Oz eventually becomes the Comicbook/{{Watchmen}} universe, which creates Dr. Manhattan who creates the NGE universe, which creates Rei who becomes {{Instrumentality}} which becomes the [[Literature/TheWonderfulWizardOfOz "original" Oz(s)]] inside her while she creates [[Series/BattlestarGalacticaReimagined [[Series/BattlestarGalactica2003 another, other, *other* Earth, which sends colonies to 12 planets]], etc. etc. until all this comes down to [[RealLife us]], who create all these stories again.
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Or alternatly - you know just give it up
* Similar. They're actually trying to get a Idina lookalike from {{Glee}} to play Elphaba.
* Similar. They're actually trying to get a Idina lookalike from {{Glee}} to play Elphaba.
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Or alternatly alternately - you know just give it up
* Similar. They're actually trying to get a Idina lookalike from{{Glee}} ''Series/{{Glee}}'' to play Elphaba.
* Similar. They're actually trying to get a Idina lookalike from
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At first listen, "Popular" seems to showcase how shallow G(a)linda is, and we assume that her worldview is wrong. However, as the events of ''Wicked'' show, the people of Oz truly do only value superficiality and don't have the openmindedness to dig any deeper than their preconceived notions and stereotypes. In the musical, at least, G(a)linda is the one who is ultimately able to make the change, because she doesn't alienate herself by defying the Wizard, rather infiltrating the ranks of power and working it so that she is actually in a place of power by the end of the musical.
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At first listen, "Popular" seems to showcase how shallow G(a)linda is, and we assume that her worldview is wrong. However, as the events of ''Wicked'' show, the people of Oz truly do only value superficiality and don't have the openmindedness to dig any deeper than their preconceived notions and stereotypes. In the musical, at least, G(a)linda is the one who is ultimately able to make the change, because she doesn't alienate herself by defying the Wizard, rather infiltrating the ranks of power and working it so that she is actually in a place of power by the end of the musical.musical.
[[WMG: Elphaba is going to found some sort of Peace Corps-esque organization in whatever universe she's in now.]]
[[WMG: Elphaba is going to found some sort of Peace Corps-esque organization in whatever universe she's in now.]]
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[[WMG: Musical!Elphaba and Musical!Fiyero had Liir at some point in the future and his singing voice sounds like [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW8mbNCvBpY this guy]].]]
Because Elphaba has a beautiful voice and Fiyero has a beautiful voice. Blend those voices together and you get the drop dead gorgeous voice above. As for how Elphie and Fiyero [[spoiler:could feasibly conceive a child after Fiyero's transformation]]...I'll just say [[AWizardDidIt A Witch Did It]].
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*It is. Also Elphaba's [[spoiler: granddaughter]], Rain and the Clock of the Time Dragon.
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