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Well, who does Marie remind you of from this writer's previous work? Which would make Pino... Not that the AIs are Haruto or L-Elf's [[spoiler: parents]] or anything, just that they're the ones with a similar mission.

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Well, who does Marie remind you of from this writer's previous work? Which would make Pino... Not that the AIs are Haruto or L-Elf's [[spoiler: parents]] or anything, just that they're the ones with a similar mission.mission.
* Cain already spelled this one out, so it's not really a WMG. The Council of 101 wants to "Connect their lives together" using the Valvrave Units 01 and 02.
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[[WMG: Cain and the Valvrave AIs are working towards an assimilationplot]]

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[[WMG: Cain and the Valvrave AIs are working towards an assimilationplot]]assimilation plot]]
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This one just seems obvious. In the Flashforward of episode 15, Saki is talking about a girl, but doesn't mention the name. Given the revelation at the end of the episode, and Marie's youth, I figure this makes her a solid candidate.

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This one just seems obvious. In the Flashforward of episode 15, Saki is talking about a girl, but doesn't mention the name. Given the revelation at the end of the episode, and Marie's youth, I figure this makes her a solid candidate.candidate.

[[WMG: Cain and the Valvrave AIs are working towards an assimilationplot]]
Well, who does Marie remind you of from this writer's previous work? Which would make Pino... Not that the AIs are Haruto or L-Elf's [[spoiler: parents]] or anything, just that they're the ones with a similar mission.
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* Jossed. As we see in flashbacks, L-Elf was a common prisoner, whereas A-Drei is a prince.

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* Jossed. As we see in flashbacks, L-Elf was a common prisoner, whereas A-Drei is a prince.prince.

[[WMG: Marie was the first [[spoiler: Kamitsuki]]]]
This one just seems obvious. In the Flashforward of episode 15, Saki is talking about a girl, but doesn't mention the name. Given the revelation at the end of the episode, and Marie's youth, I figure this makes her a solid candidate.
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* 1. They does not know about the "Curse" or any other effects of becoming a Valvrave pilot.
* 2. Their current role in the plot are relatively minor.

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* 1. They does do not know about the "Curse" or any other effects of becoming a Valvrave pilot.
* 2. Their current role roles in the plot are relatively minor.
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The Dorsian Furher offhandedly mentions a "revolution" with Cain at the start of season two. ''He took the throne by force,'' and the reason a child like L-Elf was being sent to some sort of prison camp was because he was a member of the previous royal family. This could also mean that the white-haired prince we see in the flash-fowards is either his child or grandchild, and that at the end of the series, he and his family will be placed back in power after having won the war.

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The Dorsian Furher offhandedly mentions a "revolution" with Cain at the start of season two. ''He took the throne by force,'' and the reason a child like L-Elf was being sent to some sort of prison camp was because he was a member of the previous royal family. This could also mean that the white-haired prince we see in the flash-fowards is either his child or grandchild, and that at the end of the series, he and his family will be placed back in power after having won the war.war.
* Jossed. As we see in flashbacks, L-Elf was a common prisoner, whereas A-Drei is a prince.
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Seriously, with Saki bringing it up again in Episode 13, there is no way that it will stay out of the plot.

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Seriously, with Saki bringing it up again in Episode 13, there is no way that it will stay out of the plot.plot.

[[WMG: L-Elf was a member of the previous Dorsian royal family.]]
The Dorsian Furher offhandedly mentions a "revolution" with Cain at the start of season two. ''He took the throne by force,'' and the reason a child like L-Elf was being sent to some sort of prison camp was because he was a member of the previous royal family. This could also mean that the white-haired prince we see in the flash-fowards is either his child or grandchild, and that at the end of the series, he and his family will be placed back in power after having won the war.
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1. They does not know about the "Curse" or any other effects of becoming a Valvrave pilot.
2. Their current role in the plot are relatively minor.
3. They both have feelings for Haruto.

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* 1. They does not know about the "Curse" or any other effects of becoming a Valvrave pilot.
* 2. Their current role in the plot are relatively minor.
* 3. They both have feelings for Haruto.
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* Kreimheld may also defect with him. She's shown [[spoiler:snooping along with H-Neun in the middle of the season.]] The preview of the second season shows that [[spoiler: she [[http://24.media.tumblr.com/f8ed8295aa5d4a6e3e11f29628dc0d3a/tumblr_mp8umb5PWC1rz3xr1o2_1280.jpg joins forces with H-Neun]]. ]]The thing that may stop her is [[spoiler: the blood splatter shown on H-Neun's face in the preview because it could be hers.]]

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* Kreimheld may also defect with him. She's shown [[spoiler:snooping along with H-Neun in the middle of the season.]] The preview of the second season shows that [[spoiler: she [[http://24.media.tumblr.com/f8ed8295aa5d4a6e3e11f29628dc0d3a/tumblr_mp8umb5PWC1rz3xr1o2_1280.jpg joins forces with H-Neun]]. ]]The thing that may stop her is [[spoiler: the blood splatter shown on H-Neun's face in the preview because it could be hers.]]]]

[[WMG: Shouko or Takahi [[spoiler: Will get a visit from Valvrape the Penetrator]] ]]

1. They does not know about the "Curse" or any other effects of becoming a Valvrave pilot.
2. Their current role in the plot are relatively minor.
3. They both have feelings for Haruto.

Seriously, with Saki bringing it up again in Episode 13, there is no way that it will stay out of the plot.
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* Also the "Elf" in L-Elf is German for "eleven". As in, the eleventh Imperian Prince, who started a rebellion in Area Eleven. That cannot be a coincidence.

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* Also the "Elf" in L-Elf is German for "eleven". As in, the eleventh Imperian Imperial Prince, who started a rebellion in Area Eleven. That cannot be a coincidence.
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* Also the "Elf" in L-Elf is German for "eleven". As in, the eleventh Imperian Prince, who started a rebellion in Area Eleven. That cannot be a coincidence.
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[[WMG: Not only is Valvrave in the future of Code Geass, but L-Elf is the future of Lelouch.]]
The end of R2 strongly implied that Lelouch took C.C.'s immortality. Now, years in the future, we have another rebel against another oppressive militaristic government. One who displays the exact same style of chessmastery; like Zero he will always win if he knows the pieces on the board and the other players involved, and his pieces follow his commands, but rapidly falls apart when unknown factors enter into it. He fights like he's been practicing for decades, makes similar oversights to Zero, does things which should be impossible for a man who can be killed regardless of his skill (like winning alone against a full brigade), etc. When he encounters people with outright magical powers, he doesn't even display surprise, just learns what he can of their capabilities and adjusts his plans accordingly, as if experienced with such matters. L-Elf? or L.L.?



* Kreimheld may also defect with him. She's shown [[spoiler:snooping along with H-Neun in the middle of the season.]] The preview of the second season shows that [[spoiler: she [[http://24.media.tumblr.com/f8ed8295aa5d4a6e3e11f29628dc0d3a/tumblr_mp8umb5PWC1rz3xr1o2_1280.jpg joins forces with H-Neun]]. ]]The thing that may stop her is [[spoiler: the blood splatter shown on H-Neun's face in the preview because it could be hers.]]

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* Kreimheld may also defect with him. She's shown [[spoiler:snooping along with H-Neun in the middle of the season.]] The preview of the second season shows that [[spoiler: she [[http://24.media.tumblr.com/f8ed8295aa5d4a6e3e11f29628dc0d3a/tumblr_mp8umb5PWC1rz3xr1o2_1280.jpg joins forces with H-Neun]]. ]]The thing that may stop her is [[spoiler: the blood splatter shown on H-Neun's face in the preview because it could be hers.]]

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* [[spoiler: The picture could be Haruto. The promise would be to kill him if he goes out of control.]]

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* [[spoiler: The picture could be Haruto. The promise would be to kill him if he goes out of control.control or to take care of the empire that he founded if he is in fact the "founder" that was mentioned by Future!Saki in episode 12.]]
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[[WMG: Theories about the last Valvrave and its pilot.]]
* Well, according to the 200 year FlashForward there is still one more Valvrave out there that needs a pilot. [[spoiler: Valvrave 7 could possibly be [[orange http://25.media.tumblr.com/f8fa288b8f56ebc2e44f9a3bd8bca192/tumblr_mqh4z4x6ek1rz3xr1o1_500.jpg]]]] and the possible pilot candidates include:
** Shoko. The Valvrave pilots thus far have come in pairs. There's Haruto-Saki and Kyuuma-Raizou. Shoko is the only person who has ever interacted with Akira and their build up could lead to this.
** H-Neun. Along with the troper above, I think that H-neun is going to defect. He may end up as a Valvrave pilot.
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* Kreimheld may also defect with him. She's shown [[spoiler:snooping along with H-Neun in the middle of the season.]] The preview of the second season shows that [[spoiler: she [[http://24.media.tumblr.com/f8ed8295aa5d4a6e3e11f29628dc0d3a/tumblr_mp8umb5PWC1rz3xr1o2_1280.jpg joins forces with H-Neun]]. ]]The thing that may stop her is [[spoiler: the blood splatter shown on H-Neun's face in the preview because it could be hers.]]

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* Kreimheld may also defect with him. She's shown [[spoiler:snooping along with H-Neun in the middle of the season.]] The preview of the second season shows that [[spoiler: she [[http://24.media.tumblr.com/f8ed8295aa5d4a6e3e11f29628dc0d3a/tumblr_mp8umb5PWC1rz3xr1o2_1280.jpg joins forces with H-Neun]]. ]]The thing that may stop her is [[spoiler: the blood splatter shown on H-Neun's face in the preview because it could be hers.]]]]
[[WMG: Theories about the last Valvrave and its pilot.]]
* Well, according to the 200 year FlashForward there is still one more Valvrave out there that needs a pilot. [[spoiler: Valvrave 7 could possibly be [[orange http://25.media.tumblr.com/f8fa288b8f56ebc2e44f9a3bd8bca192/tumblr_mqh4z4x6ek1rz3xr1o1_500.jpg]]]] and the possible pilot candidates include:
** Shoko. The Valvrave pilots thus far have come in pairs. There's Haruto-Saki and Kyuuma-Raizou. Shoko is the only person who has ever interacted with Akira and their build up could lead to this.
** H-Neun. Along with the troper above, I think that H-neun is going to defect. He may end up as a Valvrave pilot.
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* Kreimheld may also defect with him. She's shown [[spoiler:snooping along with H-Neun in the middle of the season.]] The preview of the second season shows that [[spoiler: she [[http://24.media.tumblr.com/f8ed8295aa5d4a6e3e11f29628dc0d3a/tumblr_mp8umb5PWC1rz3xr1o2_1280.jpg joins forces with H-Neun]]. ]]The thing that may stop her is [[spoiler: the blood splatter shown on H-Neun's face in the preview. That may be her blood.]]

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* Kreimheld may also defect with him. She's shown [[spoiler:snooping along with H-Neun in the middle of the season.]] The preview of the second season shows that [[spoiler: she [[http://24.media.tumblr.com/f8ed8295aa5d4a6e3e11f29628dc0d3a/tumblr_mp8umb5PWC1rz3xr1o2_1280.jpg joins forces with H-Neun]]. ]]The thing that may stop her is [[spoiler: the blood splatter shown on H-Neun's face in the preview. That may preview because it could be her blood.hers.]]
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* 3. [[spoiler: he sees that Cain is not what he appeared to be.]]

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* 3. [[spoiler: he sees that Cain is not what he appeared to be.]]
* Kreimheld may also defect with him. She's shown [[spoiler:snooping along with H-Neun in the middle of the season.]] The preview of the second season shows that [[spoiler: she [[http://24.media.tumblr.com/f8ed8295aa5d4a6e3e11f29628dc0d3a/tumblr_mp8umb5PWC1rz3xr1o2_1280.jpg joins forces with H-Neun]]. ]]The thing that may stop her is [[spoiler: the blood splatter shown on H-Neun's face in the preview. That may be her blood.
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* Jossed. Cain claims the Magius Clan wants to "connect their lives together", so probably a AssimilationPlot.

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* Jossed. Cain claims the Magius Clan wants to "connect their lives together", so probably a AssimilationPlot.AssimilationPlot.
[[WMG: H-Neun will pull a HeelFaceTurn]]
*1. he appears to be the most level-headed of the group, even if he does crack jokes every now and then.
*2. [[spoiler: we see him snooping around around in the middle of season 1]]
*3. [[spoiler: he sees that Cain is not what he appeared to be.]]
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When the Magius were revealed to be the BiggerBad in the series, we can assume they were planning to do a [[spoiler: NewWorldOrder around and DysonSphere and kill everyone who opposes them, especially the [=JIORians=]. It can be stated that their bigger plan is to summon what is supposed to be the Valvrave equivalent of {{Satan}}.]] '''AND IT'S GONNA GET UGLY IF THAT HAPPENS!''' And will cause controversy in the religious department.

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When the Magius were revealed to be the BiggerBad in the series, we can assume they were planning to do a [[spoiler: NewWorldOrder around and DysonSphere and kill everyone who opposes them, especially the [=JIORians=]. It can be stated that their bigger plan is to summon what is supposed to be the Valvrave equivalent of {{Satan}}.]] '''AND IT'S GONNA GET UGLY IF THAT HAPPENS!''' And will cause controversy in the religious department.department.
* Jossed. Cain claims the Magius Clan wants to "connect their lives together", so probably a AssimilationPlot.
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* [[spoiler: Some sort of genetically modified clone created from a mix of L-Elf and Haruto.]]
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When the Magius were revealed to be the BiggerBad in the series, we can assume they were planning to do a [[spoiler: NewWorldOrder around and DysonSphere and kill everyone who opposes them, especially the [=JIORians=]. It can be stated that their bigger plan is to summon what is supposed to be the Valvrave equivalent of {{Satan}}.]] AND IT'S GONNA GET UGLY IF THAT HAPPENS!

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When the Magius were revealed to be the BiggerBad in the series, we can assume they were planning to do a [[spoiler: NewWorldOrder around and DysonSphere and kill everyone who opposes them, especially the [=JIORians=]. It can be stated that their bigger plan is to summon what is supposed to be the Valvrave equivalent of {{Satan}}.]] AND '''AND IT'S GONNA GET UGLY IF THAT HAPPENS!HAPPENS!''' And will cause controversy in the religious department.
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When the Magius were revealed to be the BiggerBad in the series, we can assume they were planning to do a [[spoiler: NewWorldOrder around and DysonSphere and kill everyone who opposes them, especially the JIORians. It can be stated that their bigger plan is to summon what is supposed to be TheDevil equivalent of the Valvrave.]] AND IT'S GONNA GET UGLY IF THAT HAPPENS!

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When the Magius were revealed to be the BiggerBad in the series, we can assume they were planning to do a [[spoiler: NewWorldOrder around and DysonSphere and kill everyone who opposes them, especially the JIORians. [=JIORians=]. It can be stated that their bigger plan is to summon what is supposed to be TheDevil the Valvrave equivalent of the Valvrave.{{Satan}}.]] AND IT'S GONNA GET UGLY IF THAT HAPPENS!
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* [[spoiler: What if the pendant was actually given to her as well? The previous owner of the pendant could be Liselotte. In the preview for the second season, it is shown that Saki goes to Dorssian's capital for some reason. [[http://24.media.tumblr.com/a04c5527c32aa7964b4a69d09f800f00/tumblr_mp8umb5PWC1rz3xr1o1_500.jpg This could be the same place where Liselotte is being held captive]]. They may encounter each other there. The pendant is also pink and elegant-looking, much like our pink princess. The picture would also be of Liselotte. If the L-Elf lookalike happens to be her descendant, then the promise they made is the reason why Saki looks after him (and her other descendants) 200 years in the future.]]

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* [[spoiler: What if the pendant was actually given to her as well? The previous owner of the pendant could be Liselotte. In the preview for the second season, it is shown that Saki goes to Dorssian's capital for some reason. [[http://24.media.tumblr.com/a04c5527c32aa7964b4a69d09f800f00/tumblr_mp8umb5PWC1rz3xr1o1_500.jpg This could be the same place where Liselotte is being held captive]]. They may encounter each other there. The pendant is also pink and elegant-looking, much like our pink princess. The picture would also be of Liselotte. If the L-Elf lookalike happens to be her descendant, then the promise they made is the reason why Saki looks after him (and her other descendants) 200 years in the future.]]]]
[[WMG: [[spoiler: The Magius's plan to control the world may have been worse than we ever imagined, especially if they want to summon something....big]]]]
When the Magius were revealed to be the BiggerBad in the series, we can assume they were planning to do a [[spoiler: NewWorldOrder around and DysonSphere and kill everyone who opposes them, especially the JIORians. It can be stated that their bigger plan is to summon what is supposed to be TheDevil equivalent of the Valvrave.]] AND IT'S GONNA GET UGLY IF THAT HAPPENS!

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[[WMG: [[spoiler: Theories on the previous owner of the pendant Future!Saki wears and the promise that she made to him/her.]]]]
* [[spoiler: The previous owner of the pendant could be Liselotte. In the preview for the second season, it is shown that Saki goes to Dorssian's capital for some reason. [[http://24.media.tumblr.com/a04c5527c32aa7964b4a69d09f800f00/tumblr_mp8umb5PWC1rz3xr1o1_500.jpg This could be the same place where Liselotte is being held captive]]. They may encounter each other there. The pendant is also pink and elegant-looking, much like our pink princess. If the L-Elf lookalike happens to be her descendant, then the promise they made is the reason why Saki looks after him (and her other descendants) 200 years in the future.]]
* [[spoiler: The previous owner of the pendant could be Shouko. The promise would be to, "Take care of Haruto" or something along those lines.]]
* [[spoiler: The previous owner of the pendant could be Haruto. The promise would be to kill him if he goes out of control.]]

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[[WMG: [[spoiler: Theories on the previous owner of picture in the pendant Future!Saki wears and the promise that she made to him/her.]]]]
* [[spoiler: The picture could be Shouko. The promise would be to, "Take care of Haruto" or something along those lines.]]
* [[spoiler: The picture could be Haruto. The promise would be to kill him if he goes out of control.]]
* [[spoiler: What if the pendant was actually given to her as well?
The previous owner of the pendant could be Liselotte. In the preview for the second season, it is shown that Saki goes to Dorssian's capital for some reason. [[http://24.media.tumblr.com/a04c5527c32aa7964b4a69d09f800f00/tumblr_mp8umb5PWC1rz3xr1o1_500.jpg This could be the same place where Liselotte is being held captive]]. They may encounter each other there. The pendant is also pink and elegant-looking, much like our pink princess. The picture would also be of Liselotte. If the L-Elf lookalike happens to be her descendant, then the promise they made is the reason why Saki looks after him (and her other descendants) 200 years in the future.]]
* [[spoiler: The previous owner of the pendant could be Shouko. The promise would be to, "Take care of Haruto" or something along those lines.]]
* [[spoiler: The previous owner of the pendant could be Haruto. The promise would be to kill him if he goes out of control.
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* Teased at. See below for speculation of significance, but in Season 2 teasers shown in episode 12, it was shown that Saki did visit Dorrsia.



* Jossed by Gargantia. [[spoiler:Ledo remains on Gargantia.]]



The first thought is that Saki and the other "Golden Seven" members are rebels. It is not so.

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The first thought (based on Episode 7) is that Saki and the other "Golden Seven" members are rebels. It is not so.


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*Addition by original entry author: Episode 12 shows Saki converse with someone visibly reminiscent of L-Elf's descendant, in a mansion decorated with 3D Valvrave Emblem Sculptures (check for yourself, Ravens sitting on Golden Crescent Moons), and refer to one of her friends (contextually) as the Founder. Conclusion - Saki was on the winning side of the war, and said side has a healthy appreciation of Valvraves. Challenge - guess the winning side.
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* [[spoiler: The previous owner of the pendant could be Haruto. The promise to kill him when he goes out of control.]]

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* [[spoiler: The previous owner of the pendant could be Haruto. The promise would be to kill him when if he goes out of control.]]
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* [[spoiler: The previous owner of the pendant could be Haruto. The promise to kill him when he goes out of control.]]
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* [[spoiler: The previous owner of the pendant could be Shouko. The promise would be to, "Take care of Haruto" or something along those lines.]]
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* [[spoiler: The previous owner of the pendant was Liselotte. In the preview for the second season, it is shown that Saki goes to Dorssian's capital for some reason. [[http://24.media.tumblr.com/a04c5527c32aa7964b4a69d09f800f00/tumblr_mp8umb5PWC1rz3xr1o1_500.jpg This could be the same place where Liselotte is being held captive]]. They may encounter each other there. The pendant is also pink and elegant-looking, much like our pink princess. If the L-Elf lookalike happens to be her descendant, then the promise they made is the reason why Saki looks after him (and her other descendants) 200 years in the future.]]

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* [[spoiler: The previous owner of the pendant was could be Liselotte. In the preview for the second season, it is shown that Saki goes to Dorssian's capital for some reason. [[http://24.media.tumblr.com/a04c5527c32aa7964b4a69d09f800f00/tumblr_mp8umb5PWC1rz3xr1o1_500.jpg This could be the same place where Liselotte is being held captive]]. They may encounter each other there. The pendant is also pink and elegant-looking, much like our pink princess. If the L-Elf lookalike happens to be her descendant, then the promise they made is the reason why Saki looks after him (and her other descendants) 200 years in the future.]]
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[[WMG: [[spoiler: Theories on the owner of the pendant Future!Saki wears and the promise that she made to him/her.]]]]
* [[spoiler: The previous owner of the pendant was Liselotte. In the preview for the second season, it is shown that Saki goes to Dorssian's capital for some reason. [[http://24.media.tumblr.com/a04c5527c32aa7964b4a69d09f800f00/tumblr_mp8umb5PWC1rz3xr1o1_500.jpg This could be the same place where Liselotte is being held captive]]. They may encounter each other there. The pendant is also pink and elegant-looking, much like our pink princess. If the L-Elf lookalike happens to be her descendant, then the promise they made is the reason why Saki looks after her him (and her other descendants) 200 years in the future.]]

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[[WMG: [[spoiler: Theories on the previous owner of the pendant Future!Saki wears and the promise that she made to him/her.]]]]
* [[spoiler: The previous owner of the pendant was Liselotte. In the preview for the second season, it is shown that Saki goes to Dorssian's capital for some reason. [[http://24.media.tumblr.com/a04c5527c32aa7964b4a69d09f800f00/tumblr_mp8umb5PWC1rz3xr1o1_500.jpg This could be the same place where Liselotte is being held captive]]. They may encounter each other there. The pendant is also pink and elegant-looking, much like our pink princess. If the L-Elf lookalike happens to be her descendant, then the promise they made is the reason why Saki looks after her him (and her other descendants) 200 years in the future.]]

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