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Let's face it, ignoring the fact that Zuko had a very close friend among the Air Nomads (Aang), by the end of TLA he and his Uncle were very disillusioned with the Fire Nation supremacist culture Sozin had created. Plus, in a meta sense, some fans might turn against him if he allowed a homophobic law to exist in his country. Admittedly, certain fans wouldn't disapprove, but [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment let's not dwell on that last point too much]].
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Let's face it, ignoring the fact that Zuko had a very close friend among the Air Nomads (Aang), by the end of TLA he and his Uncle were very disillusioned with the Fire Nation supremacist culture Sozin had created. Plus, in a meta sense, some many fans might turn against him wouldn't like it if he allowed a homophobic law to exist in his country. Admittedly, certain fans wouldn't disapprove, but [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment let's not dwell on that last point too much]]. country.
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* Jossed for now. Sexuality is not shown to be related to Tokuga's actions.
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* Jossed for now. Sexuality is not shown to be related to Tokuga's actions.actions.
[[WMG: Sozin was in love with Roku and everything that happened between them led to him putting his same-sex relationship laws in place.]]
We know that Sozin had Azulon very late in life (considering that the latter was still alive 95 years after the 100 Year War had started and Sozin was an old man by the time of the Airbender Genocide) so we know he wasn't very fond of his wife, and he did give Roku an important headpiece to take with him on his Avatar Journey. While he was the best man at Roku's wedding, it's possible that he tried to put his own feelings aside and be happy for his friend - or might just have planned to annul the marriage later. Regardless of what he thought, it's still clear he cared about him even years after Roku stopped his initial invasion, as he went to help him against the Volcano. Leaving him to die can be explained with the same reason he used to justify his act - his ambition got the best of him.
But even after everything, he still loved Roku and was bitter about the whole thing, eventually leading him to make same-same relationships illegal in a 'if I can't have it, then no one can way'. Since they were to/going to be at war and would need a large population to sustain the inevitable years of fighting, he had the perfect justification.
[[WMG: Sozin was in love with Roku and everything that happened between them led to him putting his same-sex relationship laws in place.]]
We know that Sozin had Azulon very late in life (considering that the latter was still alive 95 years after the 100 Year War had started and Sozin was an old man by the time of the Airbender Genocide) so we know he wasn't very fond of his wife, and he did give Roku an important headpiece to take with him on his Avatar Journey. While he was the best man at Roku's wedding, it's possible that he tried to put his own feelings aside and be happy for his friend - or might just have planned to annul the marriage later. Regardless of what he thought, it's still clear he cared about him even years after Roku stopped his initial invasion, as he went to help him against the Volcano. Leaving him to die can be explained with the same reason he used to justify his act - his ambition got the best of him.
But even after everything, he still loved Roku and was bitter about the whole thing, eventually leading him to make same-same relationships illegal in a 'if I can't have it, then no one can way'. Since they were to/going to be at war and would need a large population to sustain the inevitable years of fighting, he had the perfect justification.
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Let's face it, ignoring the fact that Zuko had a very close friend among the Air Nomads (Aang), by the end of TLA he and his Uncle were very disillusioned with the Fire Nation supremacist culture Sozin had created. Plus, in a meta sense, some fans might turn against him if he allowed a homophobic law to exist in his country. Admittedly, certain fans wouldn't disapprove, but [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement let's not dwell on that last point too much]].
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Let's face it, ignoring the fact that Zuko had a very close friend among the Air Nomads (Aang), by the end of TLA he and his Uncle were very disillusioned with the Fire Nation supremacist culture Sozin had created. Plus, in a meta sense, some fans might turn against him if he allowed a homophobic law to exist in his country. Admittedly, certain fans wouldn't disapprove, but [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment let's not dwell on that last point too much]].
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Updating with Part 3 stuff.
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Jossed. If we did see them, they were never referred to as such.
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* Jossed. Wenyan's sexuality is never bought up in this trilogy.
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* Jossed. It ends with them watching the new spirit portal from a balcony at the Four Elements Hotel. Though they do at least [[spoiler:admit their love for one another.]]
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Although the series has virtually full-on BlackAndWhiteMorality, it would at least meld the plot lines since they've been completely separate so far that Tokuga's another ShadowArchetype of Korra's, in this case if her Gayngst [[BreakTheCutie consumed]] her and him turning out to be a TragicVillain due to society.
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Although the series has virtually full-on BlackAndWhiteMorality, it would at least meld the plot lines since they've been completely separate so far that Tokuga's another ShadowArchetype of Korra's, in this case if her Gayngst [[BreakTheCutie consumed]] her and him turning out to be a TragicVillain due to society.society.
* Jossed for now. Sexuality is not shown to be related to Tokuga's actions.
* Jossed for now. Sexuality is not shown to be related to Tokuga's actions.
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* Lets not forget Pathik from the original series or the fraud at Varrick's party, both of which are Indian-inspired people in spite of there being no canon India-analogue. The Earth Kingdom (or, as of this series, Confederacy) is either more diverse than previously thought, or "cultural isolates" like the Sun Warriors occur in more undiscovered regions.
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Unless it was a(nother) goof, Jargala's oblivious to Asami's shock glove despite it being a common weapon the Equalists debuted at the bending arena four years ago that a local bender would ''definitely'' know of and those abroad likely heard about unless it was waaay out in the boonies.
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Unless it was a(nother) goof, Jargala's oblivious to Asami's shock glove despite it being a common weapon the Equalists debuted at the bending arena four years ago that a local bender would ''definitely'' know of and those abroad likely heard about unless it was waaay out in the boonies.
[[WMG: Tokuga is gay and/or someone close to him is/was as his FreudianExcuse.]]
Although the series has virtually full-on BlackAndWhiteMorality, it would at least meld the plot lines since they've been completely separate so far that Tokuga's another ShadowArchetype of Korra's, in this case if her Gayngst [[BreakTheCutie consumed]] her and him turning out to be a TragicVillain due to society.
[[WMG: Tokuga is gay and/or someone close to him is/was as his FreudianExcuse.]]
Although the series has virtually full-on BlackAndWhiteMorality, it would at least meld the plot lines since they've been completely separate so far that Tokuga's another ShadowArchetype of Korra's, in this case if her Gayngst [[BreakTheCutie consumed]] her and him turning out to be a TragicVillain due to society.
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Sozin isn't really portrayed as a Complete Monster, since they tried to make him conflicted and remorseful in his spotlight episode.
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Considering how ExceptionallyTolerant the first two volumes have depicted the cast have been to the extent nobody even ''questions'' Korra and Asami's newly revealed orientations as even the most open-minded people rationally would and the only genuine bigot being a long-dead CompleteMonster, it's a safe bet that he did to [[LikeYouWouldReallyDoIT not to sully Zuko's good name in the eyes in the fandom.]]
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Irene Koh stated that part of diversifying the comic was not only having other Asian groups besides East Asians was adding a few Black people, (Doylism) but barring... [[FanonDiscontinuity that collective nightmare everyone had years ago involving Black!Gyatso and a moody White!Aang]], the only dark-skinned peoples were the Water Tribes, some Fire Nationals (ex. the Warden of the Boiling Rock) and the Arab-like Sandbender Tribes, so either these new "Africans" have been overlooked in the vast Earth Kingdom like [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vathlo_Island Black Kryptonians]] and/or they're a mix like the rest of Republic City to "coincidentally" look Black. As of Volume 2, none of these extras have been named so whether they also have outright Asian names or Asian-''sounding'' Nigerian names given the coincidental sound-alike/convergent evolution.
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Irene Koh stated that part of diversifying the comic was not only having other Asian groups besides East Asians was adding a few Black people, (Doylism) but barring... [[FanonDiscontinuity that collective nightmare everyone had years ago involving Black!Gyatso and a moody White!Aang]], the only dark-skinned peoples were the Water Tribes, some Fire Nationals (ex. the Warden of the Boiling Rock) and the Arab-like Sandbender Tribes, so either these new "Africans" have been overlooked in the vast Earth Kingdom like [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vathlo_Island Black Kryptonians]] and/or they're a mix like the rest of Republic City to "coincidentally" look Black. As of Volume 2, none of these extras have been named so whether they also have outright Asian names or Asian-''sounding'' Nigerian names given the coincidental sound-alike/convergent evolution.
[[WMG: Jargala is also new to Republic City and likely didn't get the news about the Equalists' near-takeover years ago.]]
Unless it was a(nother) goof, Jargala's oblivious to Asami's shock glove despite it being a common weapon the Equalists debuted at the bending arena four years ago that a local bender would ''definitely'' know of and those abroad likely heard about unless it was waaay out in the boonies.
[[WMG: Jargala is also new to Republic City and likely didn't get the news about the Equalists' near-takeover years ago.]]
Unless it was a(nother) goof, Jargala's oblivious to Asami's shock glove despite it being a common weapon the Equalists debuted at the bending arena four years ago that a local bender would ''definitely'' know of and those abroad likely heard about unless it was waaay out in the boonies.
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Their date in Part 2 was interrupted due to Asami being captured by Tokuga. So after they defeat Tokuga, Part 3 will end with their turtle-duck date night as depicted in Bryan Konietzko's official art.
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Their date in Part 2 was interrupted due to Asami being captured by Tokuga. So after they defeat Tokuga, Part 3 will end with their turtle-duck date night as depicted in Bryan Konietzko's official art.
[[WMG: The Black people that have suddenly appeared in the canon are either from an overlooked part of the Earth Kingdom and/or mixed with Water Tribes and/or based on Papuan/Oceanic people to fit the canon]]
Irene Koh stated that part of diversifying the comic was not only having other Asian groups besides East Asians was adding a few Black people, (Doylism) but barring... [[FanonDiscontinuity that collective nightmare everyone had years ago involving Black!Gyatso and a moody White!Aang]], the only dark-skinned peoples were the Water Tribes, some Fire Nationals (ex. the Warden of the Boiling Rock) and the Arab-like Sandbender Tribes, so either these new "Africans" have been overlooked in the vast Earth Kingdom like [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vathlo_Island Black Kryptonians]] and/or they're a mix like the rest of Republic City to "coincidentally" look Black. As of Volume 2, none of these extras have been named so whether they also have outright Asian names or Asian-''sounding'' Nigerian names given the coincidental sound-alike/convergent evolution.
[[WMG: The Black people that have suddenly appeared in the canon are either from an overlooked part of the Earth Kingdom and/or mixed with Water Tribes and/or based on Papuan/Oceanic people to fit the canon]]
Irene Koh stated that part of diversifying the comic was not only having other Asian groups besides East Asians was adding a few Black people, (Doylism) but barring... [[FanonDiscontinuity that collective nightmare everyone had years ago involving Black!Gyatso and a moody White!Aang]], the only dark-skinned peoples were the Water Tribes, some Fire Nationals (ex. the Warden of the Boiling Rock) and the Arab-like Sandbender Tribes, so either these new "Africans" have been overlooked in the vast Earth Kingdom like [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vathlo_Island Black Kryptonians]] and/or they're a mix like the rest of Republic City to "coincidentally" look Black. As of Volume 2, none of these extras have been named so whether they also have outright Asian names or Asian-''sounding'' Nigerian names given the coincidental sound-alike/convergent evolution.
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Considering how ExceptionallyTolerant the first two volumes have depicted the cast have been to the extent nobody even ''questions'' Korra and Asami's newly revealed orientations as even the most open-minded people rationally would and the only genuine bigot being a long-dead CompleteMonster, it's a safe bet that he did to [[LikeYouWouldReallyDoIT not to sully Zuko's good name in the eyes in the fandom.]]
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Actually, that could be an interesting plot, if Asami and Korra meet him in the Spirit World: that would confront them with someone who is intolerant but ''[[TroubledSympatheticBigot not]]'' a straight-up CardCarryingVillain, and whose approval they have personal reasons to care about. How would they deal with that?
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Actually, that could be an interesting plot, if Asami and Korra meet him in the Spirit World: that would confront them with someone who is intolerant but ''[[TroubledSympatheticBigot not]]'' a straight-up CardCarryingVillain, and whose approval they have personal reasons to care about. How would they deal with that?that?
[[WMG: Part 3 will end with Korra and Asami on their romantic turtle-duck boat ride]]
Their date in Part 2 was interrupted due to Asami being captured by Tokuga. So after they defeat Tokuga, Part 3 will end with their turtle-duck date night as depicted in Bryan Konietzko's official art.
[[WMG: Part 3 will end with Korra and Asami on their romantic turtle-duck boat ride]]
Their date in Part 2 was interrupted due to Asami being captured by Tokuga. So after they defeat Tokuga, Part 3 will end with their turtle-duck date night as depicted in Bryan Konietzko's official art.
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If a two-headed frog can casually marry each other then it's not a stretch that there's at least a girl-girl couple of snakes or something at the same tea party, possibly even BFF with May-Jim and bonus points if spirit smugness if ''finally'' aimed at calling out the actual human flaws of homophobia.
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If a two-headed frog can casually marry each other then it's not a stretch that there's at least a girl-girl couple of snakes or something at the same tea party, possibly even BFF with May-Jim and bonus points if spirit smugness if ''finally'' aimed at calling out the actual human flaws of homophobia.homophobia.
[[WMG: Asami's father would not have approved of her relationship with Korra.]]
Besides the anti-bending issue, Hiroshi Sato was always portrayed as a typical self-made man with traditional middle-class sympathies and values, as well as a [[MugglePower Fantastic Fascist]] who was somewhat of a FamilyValuesVillain. Also, while he was a staunch United Republic patriot, his cultural origins lay in the Fire Nation, established by this comic as the most rigorously anti-homosexual of the major nations after Lord Sozin's reforms. So it is unlikely that he would have been as tolerant as Tonraq and Senna were of Korra.
Actually, that could be an interesting plot, if Asami and Korra meet him in the Spirit World: that would confront them with someone who is intolerant but ''[[TroubledSympatheticBigot not]]'' a straight-up CardCarryingVillain, and whose approval they have personal reasons to care about. How would they deal with that?
[[WMG: Asami's father would not have approved of her relationship with Korra.]]
Besides the anti-bending issue, Hiroshi Sato was always portrayed as a typical self-made man with traditional middle-class sympathies and values, as well as a [[MugglePower Fantastic Fascist]] who was somewhat of a FamilyValuesVillain. Also, while he was a staunch United Republic patriot, his cultural origins lay in the Fire Nation, established by this comic as the most rigorously anti-homosexual of the major nations after Lord Sozin's reforms. So it is unlikely that he would have been as tolerant as Tonraq and Senna were of Korra.
Actually, that could be an interesting plot, if Asami and Korra meet him in the Spirit World: that would confront them with someone who is intolerant but ''[[TroubledSympatheticBigot not]]'' a straight-up CardCarryingVillain, and whose approval they have personal reasons to care about. How would they deal with that?
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If a two-headed frog can casually marry each other then it's not a stretch that there's at least a girl-girl couple of snakes or something at the same tea party, possibly even BFFs with May-Jim and bonus points if spirit smugness if ''finally'' aimed at calling out the actual human flaws of homophobia.
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If a two-headed frog can casually marry each other then it's not a stretch that there's at least a girl-girl couple of snakes or something at the same tea party, possibly even BFFs BFF with May-Jim and bonus points if spirit smugness if ''finally'' aimed at calling out the actual human flaws of homophobia.
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Let's face it, ignoring the fact that Zuko had a very close friend among the Air Nomads (Aang), by the end of TLA he and his Uncle were very disillusioned with the Fire Nation supremacist culture Sozin had created. Plus, in a meta sense, some fans might turn against him if he allowed a homophobic law to exist in his country. Admittedly, certain fans wouldn't disapprove, but [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement let's not dwell on that last point too much]].
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Let's face it, ignoring the fact that Zuko had a very close friend among the Air Nomads (Aang), by the end of TLA he and his Uncle were very disillusioned with the Fire Nation supremacist culture Sozin had created. Plus, in a meta sense, some fans might turn against him if he allowed a homophobic law to exist in his country. Admittedly, certain fans wouldn't disapprove, but [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement let's not dwell on that last point too much]].
[[WMG: Wenyan's gay and he'll out himself sometime after Raiko finds out about Korrasami.]]
Either Raiko, being [[JerkAss Raiko]] is flabbergasted w/o to the extent of using it to sling mud at Zhu Li by proxy then Wenyan either casually outs himself with a "What? [[YouDidntAsk You never asked.]]" or he's closeted and seeing the brow-beating they go through gives him the courage to out himself w/o others feeling empowered to do so in a big IAmSpartacus moment.
[[WMG: There's queer spirits.]]
If a two-headed frog can casually marry each other then it's not a stretch that there's at least a girl-girl couple of snakes or something at the same tea party, possibly even BFFs with May-Jim and bonus points if spirit smugness if ''finally'' aimed at calling out the actual human flaws of homophobia.
[[WMG: Wenyan's gay and he'll out himself sometime after Raiko finds out about Korrasami.]]
Either Raiko, being [[JerkAss Raiko]] is flabbergasted w/o to the extent of using it to sling mud at Zhu Li by proxy then Wenyan either casually outs himself with a "What? [[YouDidntAsk You never asked.]]" or he's closeted and seeing the brow-beating they go through gives him the courage to out himself w/o others feeling empowered to do so in a big IAmSpartacus moment.
[[WMG: There's queer spirits.]]
If a two-headed frog can casually marry each other then it's not a stretch that there's at least a girl-girl couple of snakes or something at the same tea party, possibly even BFFs with May-Jim and bonus points if spirit smugness if ''finally'' aimed at calling out the actual human flaws of homophobia.
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Let's face it, ignoring the fact that Zuko had a very close friend among the Air Nomads (Aang), by the end of TLA he and his Uncle were very disillusioned with the Fire Nation supremacist culture Sozin had created. Plus, in a meta sense, some fans might turn against him if he allowed a homophobic law to exist in his country. Admittedly, certain fans wouldn't disapprove, but[[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement let's not dwell on that last point too much]].
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Let's face it, ignoring the fact that Zuko had a very close friend among the Air Nomads (Aang), by the end of TLA he and his Uncle were very disillusioned with the Fire Nation supremacist culture Sozin had created. Plus, in a meta sense, some fans might turn against him if he allowed a homophobic law to exist in his country. Admittedly, certain fans wouldn't disapprove, but[[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement but [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement let's not dwell on that last point too much]].
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Let's face it, ignoring the fact that Zuko had a very close friend among the Air Nomads (Aang), by the end of TLA he and his Uncle were very disillusioned with the Fire Nation supremacist culture Sozin had created. Plus, in a meta sense, it might be a lot harder for fans to like him if he allowed a homophobic law to exist in his country. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement Let's not dwell on that last point too much]].
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Let's face it, ignoring the fact that Zuko had a very close friend among the Air Nomads (Aang), by the end of TLA he and his Uncle were very disillusioned with the Fire Nation supremacist culture Sozin had created. Plus, in a meta sense, it some fans might be a lot harder for fans to like turn against him if he allowed a homophobic law to exist in his country. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement Let's Admittedly, certain fans wouldn't disapprove, but[[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement let's not dwell on that last point too much]].
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Let's face it, ignoring the fact that Zuko had a very close friend among the Air Nomads (Aang), by the end of TLA he and his Uncle were very disillusioned with the Fire Nation supremacist culture Sozin had created. Plus, it would be a lot harder for fans to like him if he allowed a homophobic law to exist in his country.
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Let's face it, ignoring the fact that Zuko had a very close friend among the Air Nomads (Aang), by the end of TLA he and his Uncle were very disillusioned with the Fire Nation supremacist culture Sozin had created. Plus, in a meta sense, it would might be a lot harder for fans to like him if he allowed a homophobic law to exist in his country.country. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement Let's not dwell on that last point too much]].
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[[WMG: We will finally be introduced to Sokka and Suki's offspring.]]
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[[WMG: We will finally be introduced to Sokka and Suki's offspring.]]]]
[[WMG: Zuko got rid of Sozin's laws against same-sex relationships while he was Fire Lord.]]
Let's face it, ignoring the fact that Zuko had a very close friend among the Air Nomads (Aang), by the end of TLA he and his Uncle were very disillusioned with the Fire Nation supremacist culture Sozin had created. Plus, it would be a lot harder for fans to like him if he allowed a homophobic law to exist in his country.
[[WMG: Zuko got rid of Sozin's laws against same-sex relationships while he was Fire Lord.]]
Let's face it, ignoring the fact that Zuko had a very close friend among the Air Nomads (Aang), by the end of TLA he and his Uncle were very disillusioned with the Fire Nation supremacist culture Sozin had created. Plus, it would be a lot harder for fans to like him if he allowed a homophobic law to exist in his country.
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[[WMG: We will finally be introduced to Sokka and Suki's offspring.]]
